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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #540 on: June 21, 2023, 11:26:09 PM »
Has anybody tried any of the power zoom lenses on the GH4/5? Worth a shot to avoid getting a camcorder for long lens or still has the exact same problems?

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #541 on: June 22, 2023, 01:01:05 AM »
Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.


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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #542 on: June 22, 2023, 04:59:22 AM »
Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.

Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #543 on: June 23, 2023, 06:05:36 PM »
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Which lenses do you mean? The ones with Power O.I.S? They are not parfocal.

tl;dr:
I sunk ~300 Eur on a b4 lens setup, which I rarely use because it is annoying to setup/transport and not very ergonomical to use.

Imo the "best" "cheap" option if you want to shoot long lens is to get an old b4 lens + adapters.
I have something similar to this:
 

But that setup "sucks" as well. Setting it up is a pain. I need to detach the eazyhandle clone because otherwise it is too much stress on the bayonet. Then mount the adapter + lens and get out the powerbank for the lens for being able to use the zoom rocker.
Mine is as heavy as another camcorder + it is incredibly hard to keep stable on the gh4 because you don't have any stabilization and I don't have any additional fixed contact points for keeping it stable. I am trying to find an G-Cup EVF Eyecup for the GH4 for an eternity now, to have a more camcorder-like way of shooting. At some point I might try something like this Walimex Pro viewfinder, but that would be another thing to carry around and setup. Keeping it stable might be easier on a gh5 though with its IBS. I think a good tripod/shoulder rig would help a lot, but than it would be even more annoying to set up every time + even more stuff to transport. It is definitely not a "get it out quick and shoot" type of setup.
If you spend some time on ebay, then it is still a kinda "cheap" option to try. I paid 100 Eur for the lens + ~60 for the lens adapter + ~50 for 5.5 x  2.5 to 12pin hirose adapter cable + ~90 for the power bank. So in sum ~300 Eur.
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Not the Power OIS but there was a 45-175 Power Zoom lens that has a zoom on the lens itself supposedly imitating parfocal lenses (of course to a much lesser degree) - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818956-REG/Panasonic_H_PS45175K_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html

That setup you have there is sick thanks for sharing, definitely feel the pain on trying to figure out something that's cheap, looks decent and doesn't take ten years and a 5 man crew to setup whenever you want to film lol

Close to parfocal lenses on MFT would be:
Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 (close to parfocal when combined with a speedbooster that has been adjusted, zoom is not consistent, really heavy lens)
Olympus 12-40 2.8 (best bang for buck, best zoom consistency, solid focal length especially when combined with GH5 Extra Tele Conversion setting)
Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f1.7 (very spendy, short focal length, solid zoom consistency)

Have had the Panasonic PZ 14-42mm F3.5-5.6, it was a huge disappointment.

Maybe get a follow focus and attach it to the zoom ring if you go the route of any of the lenses I mentioned.

Here's a zoom out example with the Olympus 12-40mm:
https://imgur.com/a/KhcsJga


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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #544 on: June 25, 2023, 08:30:46 AM »
just take the L, sell the panasonic and get a sony fx30 with the pz 18-105. micro 4/3rds and zooms are not worth. or get a panasonic camcorder as long lens cam

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #545 on: June 29, 2023, 11:17:34 AM »
lately I'm making videos with this setup:



it's a lumix g7 with a 7artisan 4mm

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #546 on: July 10, 2023, 11:29:44 AM »
Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #547 on: July 12, 2023, 03:58:53 AM »
Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :

Rad video! Nice work

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #548 on: July 12, 2023, 05:45:11 AM »
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Hi Slap, I've just released my new HD 4:3 video project with my friends, it's filmed with a GH5/meike 3,5 fisheye and a HC-X1500 for long lens clips ! Hope you'll enjoy it :
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Rad video! Nice work

Thanks man !!! I appreciate it

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #549 on: July 19, 2023, 09:40:01 AM »


Jo this is my first HD project and iam using the ax700 wit the babydeath and a cheap microphone
I also have an mk1 but I think it's better to film with the baby death, just because it's so cheap and for me the difference is not that big
What do you think ?

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #550 on: July 28, 2023, 06:42:07 AM »
Been working on a proper project where it's a mix of VX and HPX and 16mm so that'll be predominately 4x3 HD but I still dabble with mixing 16x9 and 4x3 on smaller projects. Here is a little park edit shot on my HPX171 and a Kapkur fisheye where I mixed the 2 aspect ratios.


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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #551 on: July 28, 2023, 09:09:58 AM »
not feeling the aspect ratio combo. id say just crop the 16:9, or do that after effects lens correction tech to stretch the 4:3 fish out to 16:9

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #552 on: July 29, 2023, 04:25:05 PM »
quick lil nyc edit i made the other day



nice work!

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #553 on: July 31, 2023, 04:16:25 PM »
quick lil nyc edit i made the other day



yo this is crazy! I was at the monument the day with the sax player, i remember seeing that AF100+fish combo and being like "damn i'm interested in how that looks".

sick clip, that's gotta be one of the better HD4:3 fisheye setups. Relatively cheap too
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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #554 on: August 02, 2023, 01:19:12 PM »


HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #555 on: August 02, 2023, 05:49:24 PM »


HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.

man, I'm such a fan of HD 4:3. if I were to invest in a setup I'd def be shooting in 4:3. footage looks killer, and what a backyard to have! my only gripe is that the day/ evening clips seemed a little dark. the night clips looked on point! what was the approx total cost of your set up?

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #556 on: August 02, 2023, 06:15:02 PM »
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HPX170 w/ Opteka 58mm (58mm - 72mm step down ring & 1 72mm spacer)
Fotodiox Radius Mini Light

1440x1080 timeline, clips scaled to 150%.
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man, I'm such a fan of HD 4:3. if I were to invest in a setup I'd def be shooting in 4:3. footage looks killer, and what a backyard to have! my only gripe is that the day/ evening clips seemed a little dark. the night clips looked on point! what was the approx total cost of your set up?

Thanks! Agreed, was not paying attention to the exposure and it got dark quickly. Want to get into the habit of checking the exposure with the waveforms since the lcd and viewfinder arent that great. Setup was about $1400 for HPX, new fisheye, 2x 64gb P2 cards, extra batteries and charger.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #557 on: September 15, 2023, 01:41:07 PM »
Hi,

Long time reader of slap, first time poster. I got a Sony FX3 for work so figured I'd try it out skating too.


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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #558 on: October 29, 2023, 08:48:27 AM »
I just got a hmc150, and I want to film mostly 4:3 but occasionally (if the project calls for it) widescreen. Is it feasible to get a 72mm opteka and space out for 4:3 or should I get the 52mm? I remember reading some posts about this but can’t seem to find them now, dunno if it was in this thread or another.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #559 on: October 29, 2023, 09:25:34 AM »
I just got a hmc150, and I want to film mostly 4:3 but occasionally (if the project calls for it) widescreen. Is it feasible to get a 72mm opteka and space out for 4:3 or should I get the 52mm? I remember reading some posts about this but can’t seem to find them now, dunno if it was in this thread or another.
theyre all the same optics just with different threads so get the cheapest one you can find. wether it be opteka, veledge, kapkur..

you'll need 2-3 spacer/stepdown rings for 4:3

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #560 on: November 09, 2023, 05:54:57 AM »
dusted off my gh5 the other day, been filming with my hpx/xtreme the last year or so.

settup is gh5 with the canon 8-15mm mounted using the metabones .64x speed booster and wooden camera vx mic. I set my zoom with the lens to where theres just a little in the corners then made a black mask cause i don't really like the blue.


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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #561 on: November 09, 2023, 11:34:22 AM »

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #562 on: November 09, 2023, 12:01:20 PM »

why would you use a Century X-treme to crop it to 4:3...

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #563 on: November 24, 2023, 04:35:07 AM »
My lastest 4:3 HD short project
Gh5 + meike 3.5
x1500 for long lens

« Last Edit: November 24, 2023, 04:52:26 AM by binwood »

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #564 on: December 02, 2023, 02:34:09 PM »
Saw this pop up on my YouTube, anyone happen to know/have an idea of the setup? Looks dope!

« Last Edit: December 02, 2023, 06:15:04 PM by wiggitywiggity »

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #565 on: December 03, 2023, 01:04:34 AM »
Saw this pop up on my YouTube, anyone happen to know/have an idea of the setup? Looks dope!



Rainbow vignette looks like the 7Artisans 4mm I recently got, available for MFT and various APS-C mounts. My bet is on GH4 plus that fisheye, though it doesn't look quite as bubbly so I am not sure.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #566 on: December 03, 2023, 06:10:23 AM »
HPX or HMC with MK1 mainly and maybe some footy are opteka too
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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #567 on: December 03, 2023, 06:49:11 AM »
Rainbow vignette looks like the 7Artisans 4mm I recently got, available for MFT and various APS-C mounts. My bet is on GH4 plus that fisheye, though it doesn't look quite as bubbly so I am not sure.
Pro tip about about telling apart fisheye add-on lenses (fisheyes that you put in front of your camcorder lens ie mk1, mk2, xtreme,…) and fisheyes for dslr or mirrorless cameras. The latter produce a much sharper, clearer image, particularly on the corners.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #568 on: December 03, 2023, 11:34:07 AM »
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Rainbow vignette looks like the 7Artisans 4mm I recently got, available for MFT and various APS-C mounts. My bet is on GH4 plus that fisheye, though it doesn't look quite as bubbly so I am not sure.
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Pro tip about about telling apart fisheye add-on lenses (fisheyes that you put in front of your camcorder lens ie mk1, mk2, xtreme,…) and fisheyes for dslr or mirrorless cameras. The latter produce a much sharper, clearer image, particularly on the corners.

That makes a lot of sense, though with circular fisheyes like the 7Artisans 4mm you’ll have to crop in a lot and things won’t look as sharp especially when filming at 1080p.

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Re: The HD 4:3 thread
« Reply #569 on: December 04, 2023, 01:36:20 AM »
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Rainbow vignette looks like the 7Artisans 4mm I recently got, available for MFT and various APS-C mounts. My bet is on GH4 plus that fisheye, though it doesn't look quite as bubbly so I am not sure.
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Pro tip about about telling apart fisheye add-on lenses (fisheyes that you put in front of your camcorder lens ie mk1, mk2, xtreme,…) and fisheyes for dslr or mirrorless cameras. The latter produce a much sharper, clearer image, particularly on the corners.
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That makes a lot of sense, though with circular fisheyes like the 7Artisans 4mm you’ll have to crop in a lot and things won’t look as sharp especially when filming at 1080p.
That’s actually a very good point and what I feel is the main drawback of the 7artisans 4mm, the meike 3.5mm and the laowa 4mm. The image circle is so small that one has to crop a lot of the footage to get a reasonable image. On one side you end up losing a lot of the quality (especially at 1080p) and on the other side it is difficult to know on camera how will the footage look once cropped.

It will be great if they released a similar lens but with a bigger image circle, more suitable for aps-c and full frame sensors.