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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3420 on: April 05, 2018, 07:43:38 AM »
Venture 5.8 V-Lights over the normal highs? Forged baseplate and hollow kingpin and that's it? Worth it? Same 1.5 mm height difference as forged gives on Indys? Making them 52 mm? 🤔

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3421 on: April 05, 2018, 08:06:43 AM »
RE Thunders:


I currently have my 147s set up with a 1/10 riser and 51 wheels so my wheel bite isn't too bad. I do get the occasional stop, but I am putting up with it because of the pop.  My ollies on other trucks had been good - no complaints.  I put Thunders on a setup and I found myself getting more height pretty naturally.  Then I stepped on one of my other setups that I have skated plenty and found my timing was off. I can't get the same height I had last month.  Thunders just ollie better for me.  I'll still keep other trucks on boards for pool/transition, but for street I'm going to put up with the wheelbite for now.

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« Reply #3422 on: April 05, 2018, 08:52:01 AM »
Reminds me of what someone said before: "Thunders are good if you're just skating in a straight line."

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3423 on: April 05, 2018, 08:54:48 AM »
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Thirded.

What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

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« Reply #3424 on: April 05, 2018, 09:04:41 AM »

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1


EDIT: Not thinner, just less threads and more nylock
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« Reply #3425 on: April 05, 2018, 09:22:16 AM »

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1

cheers!

anything to avoid buying new trucks lol

I only recently did the washer trick and it's made quite a difference for certain stuff (or placebo).

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3426 on: April 05, 2018, 09:48:24 AM »

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

Quick eBay search leads to this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Qty-100-5-16-24-Hex-Jam-Nylon-Insert-Lock-nut-Nylock-Stainless-Steel-Half-Height/162331765168?hash=item25cbba29b0:g:JH4AAOSwux5YXZFG:sc:USPSFirstClass!94110!US!-1

cheers!

anything to avoid buying new trucks lol

I only recently did the washer trick and it's made quite a difference for certain stuff (or placebo).

I always use enough washers on the inside of my wheel so the nut is flush to the axle. I can't stand having threads showing - mainly because they get fucked up.

I don't know how thin these nuts are compared to regular skate nuts, but if you could get 1/8" per side it would give you the equivalent of 1 size truck up on Thunder or Indy, and give you those in-between sizes for the companies that don't have them.


I did a bit more research and those nuts I linked to on eBay were .265" thick.  I took a caliper to regular skate nuts and measured .255" thick.    The eBay nuts just have more nylock and less threads, but are the same overall thickness.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3427 on: April 05, 2018, 10:35:38 AM »
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Thirded.

What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

I ride 5.2s on an 8.06. It feels pretty much flush to me (maybe a tiny bit of board overhang) although your wheels' width could cause some variation.

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« Reply #3428 on: April 05, 2018, 05:20:04 PM »
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Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Thirded.

What size Ventures would a normal person run on an straight 8' deck?

I'm on 5.2's with 7.75 deck, +1 extra inner washer to get my wheels absolutely flush with my board edge (no axles don't stick out, can't see them rolling from above etc.)

Does anyone make thinner axle nuts?? I see these being a thing in my future.... and about 5 washers lol

I ride 5.2s on an 8.06. It feels pretty much flush to me (maybe a tiny bit of board overhang) although your wheels' width could cause some variation.
I used to ride 5.0's on an 8" board, I liked the little bit of overhang.  5.2's will give you more flush, maybe try those ace 3/8" nuts? I don't know man, I like to keep my axles flush or under, not my wheels.

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« Reply #3429 on: April 05, 2018, 10:15:40 PM »
Been skating thunders for about a two months now and never had I had trucks cause wheelbite more than these things. Straight to my wrists every time, such a pain in the ass. Can't wait to get a pair of indy's again.

kinda interesting to see someone on here who doesnít like thunders. I donít like them either but have kept mum about it. they seem to not turn at all and then suddenly jerk to the side. thatís thunder ďstabilityĒ and ďturn.Ē I prefer even krux over thunders.

I like thunders, but sometimes I feel like they're kind of unpredictable. They've bit me in the ass more times than any other truck. I do think they feel stable, and I don't mind the turn.. But they have a weird thing that happens where they turn so quick that you can get chucked at the oddest moments.

I don't remember if I talked about it before, but twice I've been thrown for seemingly no reason. Just pushing or riding along, and next thing I know I'm upside down looking up at the sky..

I like thunders enough that I still ride them (They need to be the highest model, with harder bushings than stock, that's the only way I can ride them), but I also keep three other setups with indys too.

I tried to get on the Thunder Bandwagon too but I like loose-ish trucks and I was getting pitched from wheelbite just carving.



I tend to get wheelbite no matter what I'm riding but it's way worse on Thunders; used to ride the old 149s that were really low, very loose with 53mm wheels and it was wheelbite for fucking days, not much has changed even with that WHOPPING 1mm diff from the cast plates and still riding 53mm ;)

It's why I went to ACE/theeve in the first place. Oddly, ACE being so low don't cause as much wheelbite.



How does Theeve compare to Ace?




Can Venture please get on the 8.25 hype and make some 5.5s again?! I'm like goldilocks over here, 5.8s too big, 5.2 too small...

Thirded.

Theeve are the closest you'll get to ACE (the prototypes ran on ACE plates); they are a bit less turny than ACE and more carvy but stable on center like Thunders); I'm hoping to pick up some 8.5" tiax soon. Honestly, if you can't choose between Indy or Thunder, Theeve or ACE bridge the gap (tho choose ACE if you ride loose/carve and Theeve if you straight-line - they carve great but getting ACEs to go in a straight line take some effort, hard ass bushings and cranking them down to break their turnylove.




Currently riding 8.18" TiKings with bones softs top and bottom and ACEs with 88a indy aftermarket conicals; I can essentially bring both to a session and have no adjustment issues switching boards, something I can't do with either truck and shifting to indy or thunders. That make sense at all? :P

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« Reply #3430 on: April 05, 2018, 10:57:30 PM »
Yah..I say Theeve is between an Indy and an Ace.

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« Reply #3431 on: April 06, 2018, 01:34:13 AM »
Now you guys are making me wanna setup my theeve Tiax to try...
But 8.18 or 8...

Also I feel the broken In ace bushings now, I was riding them like 1-2 threads down then took off the bushings for a day and let them return and spring back to shape and threw them back in but barely flush(almost nylon) and damn they are smooth, but stable.
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« Reply #3432 on: April 06, 2018, 04:20:29 AM »
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

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« Reply #3433 on: April 06, 2018, 05:57:28 AM »
Are these the ones? I want to try the new bushings, but just got a pair of one of the older builds.
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081

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« Reply #3434 on: April 06, 2018, 07:57:27 AM »
Are these the ones? I want to try the new bushings, but just got a pair of one of the older builds.
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=21081


It's hard to say because SoCal just updates their stock but not the description.   If you want to be safe, order them directly from Ace

https://shop.acetrucks.com/collections/accessories/products/ace-stock-bushings

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« Reply #3435 on: April 06, 2018, 07:58:13 AM »
Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing

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« Reply #3436 on: April 06, 2018, 08:19:18 AM »
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

Very true. Nice to have trucks that come with good bushings finally.

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« Reply #3437 on: April 06, 2018, 09:59:18 AM »
Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing

Kingpin the same length? I'd imagine with shorter tops there would be more thread exposed? They, like Theeve, have long pins to begin with due to taller bushings (even if they squashout).

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #3438 on: April 06, 2018, 10:25:13 AM »
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

Does the beefier hanger make the truck heavier?

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« Reply #3439 on: April 06, 2018, 12:00:27 PM »
Also, I didn't do a comparison but i think the new top bushing might be a couple MM shorter than the old ones which is also a good thing

Kingpin the same length? I'd imagine with shorter tops there would be more thread exposed? They, like Theeve, have long pins to begin with due to taller bushings (even if they squashout).

I think the kingpin is the same length.  my problem with the old bushings is that I would have to really crank them down to get the kingpin flush.  now it's no problem.  I think a lot of people were sanding down the old top bushings

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« Reply #3440 on: April 06, 2018, 12:01:36 PM »
I posted this in the Ace thread and some of you might already know but the new stock bushings on the Ace "Classics" are incredible. 

When they redesigned the trucks with a beefier hanger, they came with rock hard bushings that literally took 10+ sessions to break in.  The new soft bottom/harder top bushings feel broken in immediately and have an amazing turn and stability.

I always thought you would want a harder bushing on the bottom but I was wrong.  They nailed it with the new ones

Does the beefier hanger make the truck heavier?

Slightly heavier but if you're skating Ace's, you probably don't care about weight anyway.  After spending a small fortune on titanium trucks, I'm now convinced that weight means absolutely nothing (for my skating at least)

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« Reply #3441 on: April 06, 2018, 02:11:17 PM »
That could be the first step....or has the madness just shifted.....

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« Reply #3442 on: April 06, 2018, 03:03:52 PM »
Weight screws with certain tricks of mine, too light and shit flys away, too heavy and rotations feel wonky. I tend to ride 8.25/8.3 - a 8.3 with ACEs and that shit feel clunky has hell for flippity shit but great for bowls.


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« Reply #3443 on: April 06, 2018, 04:05:18 PM »
Weight screws with certain tricks of mine, too light and shit flys away, too heavy and rotations feel wonky. I tend to ride 8.25/8.3 - a 8.3 with ACEs and that shit feel clunky has hell for flippity shit but great for bowls.

Yeah, I just stopped flipping my board.  Problem solved! haha

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« Reply #3444 on: April 06, 2018, 10:24:43 PM »
I love my ace classic 44, love love love them

They feel literally as the name calls, a classic truck. Theyíre solid, turn solid, feel solid. They feel like what a standard normal good premium skateboard truck should feel like. Turns but isnít crazy soft and loose, stable but not tight, and weight is actually good being lighter than Indyís significantly in my opinion. Flip tricks feel solid on them too, takes a few adjustments but once you get adjusted kickflips feel good, Iíve been catching them bolts too 90% of the time which is usually not common, like 50/50 bolts or tail and middle of board land with other trucks

I skate 8-8.1 decks and was testing trucks as usual skating some flat street doing lines, Ollie up curbs, quick 50-50ís and so far Iíd have to say Indy 139 are nice and definitely great but aces are just a tab better. I was getting my bs 360 better with the aces too

Gonna go back and test my thunders with all this thunder talk, I just remember going to the Indy/ace side cause it was true what Ben degros said with the whole wheelbase and teeter totter thing where thunders make it heavier cause of the pushed out wheelbase but maybe they arenít that bad...I do get better board feel with indy/ace but...

Why did I like them so much before? Also was re watching old batb and seeing Chris cole and Shane OíNeill beating people with such consistency got my goat

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« Reply #3445 on: April 07, 2018, 06:26:01 PM »
OCD Rant on trucks v.234312423.0

See you in a week, on indy or thunder ;)

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« Reply #3446 on: April 07, 2018, 07:22:56 PM »
I think I finally got my Indys (standard 139s) where I need them. Skated earlier in the day and while I enjoyed the turn more with the trucks looser, my tricks felt more luck than skill (not stable landings). So just now, tightened front truck a half rotation and rear a full rotation .. and finally feels pretty good. I wish my turn was a smidge more loose but I like where my kickflips are at now.

(P.s. I still like my Ventures too though! Kickflips feel a smidge better on my Ventures)
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« Reply #3447 on: April 08, 2018, 12:39:46 AM »
OCD Rant on trucks v.234312423.0

See you in a week, on indy or thunder ;)

(I feel your pain)

Haha yeah I canít choose, skated the thunders today and all I can say is...

Itís all preference now, in the way of who you wanna support or how you wanna turn cause after today I realized the only factors that keep you consistent is basically riding the same gear. Everything

I been riding the same formula 4 gt 99a, modus bearings, and krooked 8.06 cromer, And gt blazers for the last 2 months and seriously almost every truck I plugged has worked. Some better than other but seriously they all worked(except stock tensors of course)

But yeah, the thunders were actually ok, my kick flips and everything were a bit better and more consistent cause of the lower height and stability but it did lack a little board feel and turn. Good turning trucks give better board feel and thunders lacked a bit but boy oh boy my kickflips sucked up to my feet and caught with huge pop so I might keep them on, especially since theyíre my most expensive trucks

Titanium lights, light but itís all gimmicks

Hollow lights are what you want if you want light, no need for titanium or soft magnesium


Itís always so hard to choose trucks but I say choose the set that is best for whatever skating you have fun with most and do the most, I love street pj Ladd/Shane OíNeil/Chris cole/prod/every pro who doesnít really do tranny or vert style so probably gonna keep the thunders on. Especially for these crazy catching flip tricks, they just catch with little effort
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« Reply #3448 on: April 09, 2018, 06:11:03 AM »
Kickflips on thunders or ventures really do feel nice. I'm trying to regain what I had with Indys back in stage 6,7, and 8. I'm thinking if I just put in the time I can get used to them. I seriously get like 30 minutes to myself every other day or so, so it's hard to not always feel rusty. I also acknowledge that 99% of it is in my head, and that if I could go skate for hours at a time like pre-kid days, I wouldn't spend all day at work overanalyzing trucks!
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« Reply #3449 on: April 09, 2018, 12:40:31 PM »
Kickflips on thunders or ventures really do feel nice. I'm trying to regain what I had with Indys back in stage 6,7, and 8. I'm thinking if I just put in the time I can get used to them. I seriously get like 30 minutes to myself every other day or so, so it's hard to not always feel rusty. I also acknowledge that 99% of it is in my head, and that if I could go skate for hours at a time like pre-kid days, I wouldn't spend all day at work overanalyzing trucks!

Thatís what I do, but luckily for me I get 20 min during lunch breaks everyday to break off some of the rust
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