The Indy Thread

[dstrytruitt]

Anyone know the exact distance between the holes on the truck base which have the six holes instead of four?

[jakeumms]

Anyone know the exact distance between the holes on the truck base which have the six holes instead of four?

Almost positive it's 3/8" but I got that off of Brimmo so they probably know for sure

[dstrytruitt]

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Almost positive it's 3/8" but I got that off of Brimmo so they probably know for sure

Appreciate that. Thinking about picking up a deck that's a little shorter than I like and wanted to use the baseplate to double drill and wanted to make sure I had the correct spacing.

[Boog]

Yes. I have ridden standards a bit this Spring. On my current deck I setup cast plates then decided to try forged plates on it spur of the moment and it's been a great setup. Using harder bushings cured most problems I had with Indy's.

I actually just started riding my forged hollows and bought some of the hard black bushings and now I feel like sticking with them. They are really stable when you set up for stuff but still have a great turn.

[LebowskisRug]

If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

[hiljentaa]

If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

[Samsquantch]

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

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Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

[Mbrimson88]

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Anyone know the exact distance between the holes on the truck base which have the six holes instead of four?

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Almost positive it's 3/8" but I got that off of Brimmo so they probably know for sure

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Appreciate that. Thinking about picking up a deck that's a little shorter than I like and wanted to use the baseplate to double drill and wanted to make sure I had the correct spacing.

Yep, the "cheap and easy" way to drill out a board 3/8" with the six hole baseplates.  Usually it is just enough when drilling in or out to not change things too much, but give a good amount of difference to add or remove 3/8" to the wheelbase, or 3/4" if you do both, as I had done on some super big long boards with excessive wheelbase lengths.

The Chems kit has 3/8" spacing option and 1/4" spacing option if you are super keen, which is in some ways a whole lot easier and really makes sure there is zero chance of messing it up, but anyone without the Chems kit can still do it with a bit of patience and get the truck straight using the six hole baseplate method.


This was the one I was referring to:


https://www.chemsfb.com/product/full-metal-wheelbase-mod-tool

[LebowskisRug]

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

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Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

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I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

Andrew Reynolds definitely gives a shit. If you watch setup videos a lot of pros swap bushings, crank their shit, and tweak their trucks. Lots don't too, but over generalizing isn't super accurate. They're not Slap level madness but they can get into stuff more than you'd assume.

[Samsquantch]

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

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Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

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I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

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Andrew Reynolds definitely gives a shit. If you watch setup videos a lot of pros swap bushings, crank their shit, and tweak their trucks. Lots don't too, but over generalizing isn't super accurate. They're not Slap level madness but they can get into stuff more than you'd assume.

Oh for sure, wasn't meaning to bulk all pro's in there, just genuinely entertaining to see how unimportant it is to so many of them. Which is cool, very zen that it's about the act, not the gear for a them. Also speaks to how skilled they are that they can jump on whatever and kill it, when I can barely Ollie for the first ten minutes if I drop ¾" in wheelbase...

I have no doubt that pros run the gamut from slapping together whatever their spono sends them, right up to Ben Degros/Slap level madness.

My main hobbies over the years have been cycling, skiing and audio, where we obsess over the tiniest most insignificant differences: grams, millimeters, degrees, tire pressures, waxes and edge angles etc. and audio... my god, you want to talk minutiae... whole nother order of magnitude...

You know what is rampant in those hobbies? Gear snobbery, elitism and gatekeeping. Sucks the fun out big time.

Compared to those worlds, it's actually pretty jarring how little most skaters (Slap excluded) know/care to know about skateboard setup, but no judgement, it's about the act and that's awesome. I've never participated in a sport with less gear snobbery or elitism. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you're riding and it's fantastic.

Skating is cool in that you can not give a shit, ride a clapped out setup and still rip, or obsess over the details, tune and tweak and both are fine, both work, both are accepted.

Dang, that was some ted talks bullshit, back to trucks!

[Creachteach]

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

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Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

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I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

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Andrew Reynolds definitely gives a shit. If you watch setup videos a lot of pros swap bushings, crank their shit, and tweak their trucks. Lots don't too, but over generalizing isn't super accurate. They're not Slap level madness but they can get into stuff more than you'd assume.

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Oh for sure, wasn't meaning to bulk all pro's in there, just genuinely entertaining to see how unimportant it is to so many of them. Which is cool, very zen that it's about the act, not the gear for a them. Also speaks to how skilled they are that they can jump on whatever and kill it, when I can barely Ollie for the first ten minutes if I drop ¾" in wheelbase...

I have no doubt that pros run the gamut from slapping together whatever their spono sends them, right up to Ben Degros/Slap level madness.

My main hobbies over the years have been cycling, skiing and audio, where we obsess over the tiniest most insignificant differences: grams, millimeters, degrees, tire pressures, waxes and edge angles etc. and audio... my god, you want to talk minutiae... whole nother order of magnitude...

You know what is rampant in those hobbies? Gear snobbery, elitism and gatekeeping. Sucks the fun out big time.

Compared to those worlds, it's actually pretty jarring how little most skaters (Slap excluded) know/care to know about skateboard setup, but no judgement, it's about the act and that's awesome. I've never participated in a sport with less gear snobbery or elitism. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you're riding and it's fantastic.

Skating is cool in that you can not give a shit, ride a clapped out setup and still rip, or obsess over the details, tune and tweak and both are fine, both work, both are accepted.

Dang, that was some ted talks bullshit, back to trucks!

One guy I skate with, and he really rips up the place whenever he’s around, can skate the same width board but totally switch up lengths and wheelbases. He can go from a 14,25” straight back to a 15” WB, and not seem phased at all. I don’t he knows or care at all.

I love that too about skating.

Before going back to school I used to work as a moped mechanic at a shop that specialises in high end road bicycles and mopeds.
And we would have these guys with their shaved legs in lycra tights fretting over literally grams of bicycle gears, while being +250 lbs.

But here I am…. 249 lbs. Disassembling my trucks every three weeks. Making sure every bearing spins. Battling wheelbite with different duro bushings and cast plates.
 

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

Woah, thanks for all the advice you Indy heads, I should probably reply to all of you, but it will probably take a page! Maybe I’ll just run em standard and the revisit all of your advice once they’ve broken in (and if I don’t like them).
I bought them fairly recently, but it will be first venture back into Indy territory in a long time

[dstrytruitt]

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Anyone know the exact distance between the holes on the truck base which have the six holes instead of four?

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Almost positive it's 3/8" but I got that off of Brimmo so they probably know for sure

[close]

Appreciate that. Thinking about picking up a deck that's a little shorter than I like and wanted to use the baseplate to double drill and wanted to make sure I had the correct spacing.

[close]

Yep, the "cheap and easy" way to drill out a board 3/8" with the six hole baseplates.  Usually it is just enough when drilling in or out to not change things too much, but give a good amount of difference to add or remove 3/8" to the wheelbase, or 3/4" if you do both, as I had done on some super big long boards with excessive wheelbase lengths.

The Chems kit has 3/8" spacing option and 1/4" spacing option if you are super keen, which is in some ways a whole lot easier and really makes sure there is zero chance of messing it up, but anyone without the Chems kit can still do it with a bit of patience and get the truck straight using the six hole baseplate method.


This was the one I was referring to:


https://www.chemsfb.com/product/full-metal-wheelbase-mod-tool

Appreciate the feedback!!

[rikki]

My $0.02: 145 lbs here, Indy Forged Hollows with the stock orange bushings feel pretty much perfect. Also, I see no reason to change the stock pivot cups. They seem just great.

To summarize: seems like I need to tinker a lot less with Indys as opposed to Aces which I rode before going back to Indys.

[Bongwater Mojito]

My $0.02: 145 lbs here, Indy Forged Hollows with the stock orange bushings feel pretty much perfect. Also, I see no reason to change the stock pivot cups. They seem just great.

To summarize: seems like I need to tinker a lot less with Indys as opposed to Aces which I rode before going back to Indys.

Same, but for Stage 4s. Hassle-free so far. Had same experience with Stage 11s as well.

[Wizard0f0dds]

My $0.02: 145 lbs here, Indy Forged Hollows with the stock orange bushings feel pretty much perfect. Also, I see no reason to change the stock pivot cups. They seem just great.

To summarize: seems like I need to tinker a lot less with Indys as opposed to Aces which I rode before going back to Indys.

Yep, same here, except I'm riding standards. Stock everything, stock tightness, just ride 'em and grind 'em. They feel great as is. (175 lbs here)

[skatebruh]

I bought a pack of 10 Mini Logo pivot cups for $10 and use them when a stock pivot cup gets blown out. I can't tell the difference between different pivot cups unless one is blown out and causing problems.

They're white which is cool I guess.

I can't imaging paying $14 for Riptide pivot cups.

[Samsquantch]

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

[close]

Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

[close]

I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

[close]

Andrew Reynolds definitely gives a shit. If you watch setup videos a lot of pros swap bushings, crank their shit, and tweak their trucks. Lots don't too, but over generalizing isn't super accurate. They're not Slap level madness but they can get into stuff more than you'd assume.

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Oh for sure, wasn't meaning to bulk all pro's in there, just genuinely entertaining to see how unimportant it is to so many of them. Which is cool, very zen that it's about the act, not the gear for a them. Also speaks to how skilled they are that they can jump on whatever and kill it, when I can barely Ollie for the first ten minutes if I drop ¾" in wheelbase...

I have no doubt that pros run the gamut from slapping together whatever their spono sends them, right up to Ben Degros/Slap level madness.

My main hobbies over the years have been cycling, skiing and audio, where we obsess over the tiniest most insignificant differences: grams, millimeters, degrees, tire pressures, waxes and edge angles etc. and audio... my god, you want to talk minutiae... whole nother order of magnitude...

You know what is rampant in those hobbies? Gear snobbery, elitism and gatekeeping. Sucks the fun out big time.

Compared to those worlds, it's actually pretty jarring how little most skaters (Slap excluded) know/care to know about skateboard setup, but no judgement, it's about the act and that's awesome. I've never participated in a sport with less gear snobbery or elitism. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you're riding and it's fantastic.

Skating is cool in that you can not give a shit, ride a clapped out setup and still rip, or obsess over the details, tune and tweak and both are fine, both work, both are accepted.

Dang, that was some ted talks bullshit, back to trucks!

[close]

One guy I skate with, and he really rips up the place whenever he’s around, can skate the same width board but totally switch up lengths and wheelbases. He can go from a 14,25” straight back to a 15” WB, and not seem phased at all. I don’t he knows or care at all.

I love that too about skating.

Before going back to school I used to work as a moped mechanic at a shop that specialises in high end road bicycles and mopeds.
And we would have these guys with their shaved legs in lycra tights fretting over literally grams of bicycle gears, while being +250 lbs.

But here I am…. 249 lbs. Disassembling my trucks every three weeks. Making sure every bearing spins. Battling wheelbite with different duro bushings and cast plates.
 

Yeah, it's interesting how much more emphasis is put on width than length (that's what she said), being somewhere in the 6'4" to 6'5" region I find wheelbase to have a massive impact. I just find myself way too packed up on sub 14.5" WB. 15" is most comfortable but I'm riding my 14.75" more often and trying to get used to it to open up more deck options.

I've dipped my toes in the road bike world (MTN biker), and yeah, the gram geekery is unreal, middle aged dudes with a beergut buying $200 30 gram carbon fiber bidon cages to hold a 1kg bottle of water...

Anyway, back to Indy trucks, after being back on Indy forged hollow for a couple months now I'm still 100% satisfied. They grind so good on metal, cement, coping, whatever, the turn is perfect, no complaints. 210lbs and still running stock bushings with Ace top washers and they're perfect. 56mm Conical Full's with ⅛ risers and no wheelbite issues. I feel like they firm up more before wheelbite with the Ace washers.

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If you look at a lot of pros who ride Indys a lot of them crank their kingpins more than you'd think, so I stand to reason they could just as well use harder bushings and its not super weird to need to tighten Indys a bit. I saw a recent photo of Tom Knox's board with 3 threads showing on his rear truck and 2 on his front. From my experience going orange to blues was a difference of 1.5-2 threads for same tightness. He could likely go to blacks and have the nut still not flush.

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Pros don't give a shit about this stuff. They are just going to run whatever shows up in the box hah

[close]

I definitely get this impression as well. I love watching the pro setup vids where they barely know anything about what they're riding... "Yeah, these are uhhh... 54's I think?"... "I run three bolts because I uh, lost one"... "I switched to 169's because they sent me the wrong size"... "This is an 8.25 I think?... Wheelbase? No idea"...

And then you look closely at their trucks and the bushings are absolutely destroyed, cut to shit, cracking, oozing over the mangled washers... 

I wish I could be more like that... But no, back to shopping for wheels I don't need.

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Andrew Reynolds definitely gives a shit. If you watch setup videos a lot of pros swap bushings, crank their shit, and tweak their trucks. Lots don't too, but over generalizing isn't super accurate. They're not Slap level madness but they can get into stuff more than you'd assume.

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Oh for sure, wasn't meaning to bulk all pro's in there, just genuinely entertaining to see how unimportant it is to so many of them. Which is cool, very zen that it's about the act, not the gear for a them. Also speaks to how skilled they are that they can jump on whatever and kill it, when I can barely Ollie for the first ten minutes if I drop ¾" in wheelbase...

I have no doubt that pros run the gamut from slapping together whatever their spono sends them, right up to Ben Degros/Slap level madness.

My main hobbies over the years have been cycling, skiing and audio, where we obsess over the tiniest most insignificant differences: grams, millimeters, degrees, tire pressures, waxes and edge angles etc. and audio... my god, you want to talk minutiae... whole nother order of magnitude...

You know what is rampant in those hobbies? Gear snobbery, elitism and gatekeeping. Sucks the fun out big time.

Compared to those worlds, it's actually pretty jarring how little most skaters (Slap excluded) know/care to know about skateboard setup, but no judgement, it's about the act and that's awesome. I've never participated in a sport with less gear snobbery or elitism. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you're riding and it's fantastic.

Skating is cool in that you can not give a shit, ride a clapped out setup and still rip, or obsess over the details, tune and tweak and both are fine, both work, both are accepted.

Dang, that was some ted talks bullshit, back to trucks!

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One guy I skate with, and he really rips up the place whenever he’s around, can skate the same width board but totally switch up lengths and wheelbases. He can go from a 14,25” straight back to a 15” WB, and not seem phased at all. I don’t he knows or care at all.

I love that too about skating.

Before going back to school I used to work as a moped mechanic at a shop that specialises in high end road bicycles and mopeds.
And we would have these guys with their shaved legs in lycra tights fretting over literally grams of bicycle gears, while being +250 lbs.

But here I am…. 249 lbs. Disassembling my trucks every three weeks. Making sure every bearing spins. Battling wheelbite with different duro bushings and cast plates.
 

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Yeah, it's interesting how much more emphasis is put on width than length (that's what she said), being somewhere in the 6'4" to 6'5" region I find wheelbase to have a massive impact. I just find myself way too packed up on sub 14.5" WB. 15" is most comfortable but I'm riding my 14.75" more often and trying to get used to it to open up more deck options.

I've dipped my toes in the road bike world (MTN biker), and yeah, the gram geekery is unreal, middle aged dudes with a beergut buying $200 30 gram carbon fiber bidon cages to hold a 1kg bottle of water...

Anyway, back to Indy trucks, after being back on Indy forged hollow for a couple months now I'm still 100% satisfied. They grind so good on metal, cement, coping, whatever, the turn is perfect, no complaints. 210lbs and still running stock bushings with Ace top washers and they're perfect. 56mm Conical Full's with ⅛ risers and no wheelbite issues. I feel like they firm up more before wheelbite with the Ace washers.

Don’t get me started on guitar! Loads of that snake oil going on. I blame the audiophiles. It’s the most superstitious and intangible pseudo science these guys worry anbout. Others just play. I started cutting away most of the excess bullshit. And it’s worked much better than military grade gold plated IEC power cables. Who would have thought practicing would work?

Back indeed.
I tried that other guys board, and even though we’re both on 169 hollow, his has standard bushings. But he’s super tall and skinny. I wasn’t in control.
Hmmm forged plates and a riser? That’d put your truck at a hearty 56,5mm. And no wheelbite you say?
I’ll have to check out the Ace top washers. What’s different with them?

[Mbrimson88]

Anyway, back to Indy trucks, after being back on Indy forged hollow for a couple months now I'm still 100% satisfied. They grind so good on metal, cement, coping, whatever, the turn is perfect, no complaints. 210lbs and still running stock bushings with Ace top washers and they're perfect. 56mm Conical Full's with ⅛ risers and no wheelbite issues. I feel like they firm up more before wheelbite with the Ace washers.

Sounds like a good stable board. 

I’ll have to check out the Ace top washers. What’s different with them?

The stock top Indy washer is quite deep with a fairly sharp edge.

The stock top Ace washer is very flat compared to the stock top Indy washer and doesn't cut into bushings, just like any of the after market Indy bushing washers too, which I prefer to use with the Indy low top bushings, but any of the new aftermarket bushing kits in the clear plastic containers have good washers.

If you had swapped out bushings, you most likely would have swapped out washers too, but if it doesn't affect your top bushing, you don't need to worry about it.


Others have sliced the sides off the top bushing in the first session by going a bit hard right from go and tightening them down too much.

I have pics, but not right here.

[rikki]

Oh yeah, washers. Otherwise going fully stock, but as someone suggested here, been using Ace top washers on my forged hollows. The difference is not huge, but it's on the positive side. The turn is very stable. Placebo? Possibly, but can't complain if it feels right.

[Dou_02]

My $0.02: 145 lbs here, Indy Forged Hollows with the stock orange bushings feel pretty much perfect. Also, I see no reason to change the stock pivot cups. They seem just great.

To summarize: seems like I need to tinker a lot less with Indys as opposed to Aces which I rode before going back to Indys.

Completely right. Currently around 180 but used to be 230 at one point of my skating and never had to change the pivot cups on Indys

[Samsquantch]

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Anyway, back to Indy trucks, after being back on Indy forged hollow for a couple months now I'm still 100% satisfied. They grind so good on metal, cement, coping, whatever, the turn is perfect, no complaints. 210lbs and still running stock bushings with Ace top washers and they're perfect. 56mm Conical Full's with ⅛ risers and no wheelbite issues. I feel like they firm up more before wheelbite with the Ace washers.

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I’ll have to check out the Ace top washers. What’s different with them?

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The stock top Indy washer is quite deep with a fairly sharp edge.

The stock top Ace washer is very flat compared to the stock top Indy washer and doesn't cut into bushings, just like any of the after market Indy bushing washers too, which I prefer to use with the Indy low top bushings, but any of the new aftermarket bushing kits in the clear plastic containers have good washers.

If you had swapped out bushings, you most likely would have swapped out washers too, but if it doesn't affect your top bushing, you don't need to worry about it.


Others have sliced the sides off the top bushing in the first session by going a bit hard right from go and tightening them down too much.

I have pics, but not right here.

Good summary!

Yeah, stock Indy top washers are fine if you don't tighten, but if you tighten your trucks at all it flares the top bushing and the stupid razor sharp washer will cut it to shreds. The aftermarket Indy ones are indeed better.

Ace top washers don't have the super cupped shape like Indy, they're more like a saucer or plate and they also have kind of a camber inside, or concave like a deck. Pressing the trucks by hand, it appears that the washer compresses the top bushing sooner in a turn. They're also noticeably thicker than Indy washers so it's probably like adding a thread of tightness even though they're flush.

Funny enough, I feel like this setup turns easily as well, if not better than Ace's with hard bushings. My wheelbite marks support this, as they're in basically the same place as when I was running AF1 66's with hard bushings. If you factor in Indy's having the axles a few mm farther out than Ace's, this suggests that the hangers are actually turning in a bit more! Peak madness!!

For reference I'm 6'4" 205lbs and wear size 14 blazers (you know what they say about big feet... yeah it's a lie) and skate the same truck setup on an Anti Hero 9" orange eagle with 169's and a 8.75" Blue meanie with 159's.

I tried Indy blue bushings with Ace top washers and found it too hard. Maybe if I was doing more flatground, but I don't do any.

I'm older and don't do any high impact stuff, mostly medium transition and ledges, but I've been skating them probably six hours a week for a couple months and the bushings still look perfect. Wheelbite marks on the deck but haven't gotten pitched and no cuts or bulges to the bushings.

[bumpnrun]

Been on Indy's since 1995 and did a jaunt on aces past year but back to indy's. Just feels more comfortable and familiar.

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Been on Indy's since 1995 and did a jaunt on aces past year but back to indy's. Just feels more comfortable and familiar.

just put together a setup to reminisce about 1995 (ish), camos, half cabs, ob4cl, wallys, indy’s with 7.75s, bigger wheels….

anyways, the takeaway for me, was that 139s on 7.75 felt shockingly familiar, and allowed me to use a wheel size greater than 50 mm, which made skating to the spot possible.
im using stage 10s, the grind feels better. they turn less, which i like. but it seems like the correct amount of turn. my replacement indy bushings were too tall, which makes sense, so i ditched the bottom washer and it’s ok for now. i do remember people using the bones bushings and the lower conical bushing probably helps the turning.
blah blah blah, the pop is really decent, and i had a few of the best treflips i’ve had in the last several years. all with a bigger wheel.
i’ll still hate on indy tho

[Mbrimson88]

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Thought this should go here as well, given people in the comments of that post didn't know the Stage 4 bushings were different heights to the current Stage 11 and similar trucks.

It definitely feels better with a taller bottom bushing in there, but you can get away with a lower top to loosen them up more or get the kingpin nut down lower if clearance is an issue.


Bushing size difference, from what I can recall:


Stage 11

Top 10.5 mm
Bottom 13 mm


Stage 4

Top 12.5 mm
Bottom 14-15 mm

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Official replacement bushings aren't out yet, right ?

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They're pitching them on their Instagram right now, but I don't know if they are yet shipping to stores.

Thanks for the info.


Had to go check them out:

[FrenchSkater]

Back with the Forged hollows 139 !

A lot of trouble with Venture for some tricks because of their wide wheelbase, even on a 14 wb board, quite hard for me because I'm small. The fact that Independent has a small wheelbase can help me, I'm sure! And I already had these trucks about 3 years ago, I loved the feeling while skating the independents, even if they are light versions, they still have a very controllable weight, with that for Venture, the standards are quite heavy for me and I find the Lights difficult to skate.. Wheelbase too big.. I also say goodbye definitely to the Thunder, I don't get used to their lightness and their feeling.. too "stiff", I don't like not the sound too,  if you know what I mean haha

I'm curious to try the 139 indy hollows on a 14 wheelbase !

And .. the independents trucks are so authentic, they are simple, beautiful and effective. I don't pay attention to recent reviews because they are made in China.. many pros have stuck with them despite this (Example: The Boss)

[Creachteach]

Al lot of recent posts have made me want to lose weight in the most positive way I could have ever imagined.
Stuff like saying “Indy standard bushings have me covered, and I weigh 145-175 lbs.”
It’s kind of being health positive and not fat shaming in the very best of ways.
I’m so motivated right now. It’ll lessen my health problems but also my board madness. What’s not to like?

[Samsquantch]

Al lot of recent posts have made me want to lose weight in the most positive way I could have ever imagined.
Stuff like saying “Indy standard bushings have me covered, and I weigh 145-175 lbs.”
It’s kind of being health positive and not fat shaming in the very best of ways.
I’m so motivated right now. It’ll lessen my health problems but also my board madness. What’s not to like?

No downside! Well, aside from being hungry...

I'm type 1 insulin dependent diabetic and it's taught me a ton about nutrition,  you want to see weight fall off? Figure out common sources of sugar, starch and white flour (simple carbohydrates) in your day to day, reduce those and watch your body change. Fat is fine, you don't need to eat low fat, sugar is the enemy, that shit's evil.

I've always been pretty active, but I never expected skateboarding to be as good a workout as it is. I go out twice a week on average for three-ish hour sessions and I can see my abs for the first time since my 20's at 40 years old. 90% transition,10% street.

Running stock Indy forged hollow 169's with ace top washers at 205lbs. Tried a board with 151 Thunders last week and the stability was kind of addictive. Threw in some Indy blue bushings to try out at the park tomorrow morning.

[Chavo]

And .. the independents trucks are so authentic, they are simple, beautiful and effective. I don't pay attention to recent reviews because they are made in China.. many pros have stuck with them despite this (Example: The Boss)

People hate on Indy these days because they retired the iron cross. Ironically, the most vocal group is old people boycotting Stage IV reissues (even though the first cross wouldn't appear on baseplates for another 15 years after their initial release).

Also, I back new tech on Stage IVs. 10 inch wide reissues can get really heavy.