CURRENT WOODSHOP DIRECTORY 2024 + misc deck and board info, help, questions, etc

[j....soy.....]

Nope…stickers are on the boards…

That said, lots of times ie. shop boards are BBS/Generator no sticker……

[FuzzGNU]

Nope…stickers are on the boards…

That said, lots of times ie. shop boards are BBS/Generator no sticker……

Fuck... At the same time though, I would imagine for a product photoshoot you would probably want to take the sticker off the board before shooting. There's still hope I guess...

Thanks for the heads up all.

[Mbrimson88]

Re Hopps boards, from what I can remember / looked up:


https://www.theoriesofatlantis.com/collections/decks


Hopps are part of the Theories group, which include a few brands with different woodshops, but as far as the main ones, Theories, Picture Show and Hopps, (as well as Isle and Magenta) they were BBS, then with pandemic issues they were using Clutch, but then someone posted that they had asked and Theories replied that they were back on BBS around the end of 2021 or so.  Both are made in Mexico.

I couldn't say for sure just from just looking at the pics as they were not clear enough on top views, but there was nothing to indicate the usual Clutch stamp - a letter and number stamped into the top, whereas BBS just have the dot and I could even tell from some of the stains as to which woodshop they were using, but that is getting harder to tell now as well.  Those current boards shown look like BBS to me anyway.

The other thing is Theories Distribution was getting the blanks and doing their own graphics in house, which means there would not be the usual warning sticker and often not even the usual "shop board" Generator sticker either, which was rather unique, but again I don't know all the details and whatever deal that was, it is a solid one.


As per others, I am also curious to see a top view, any stickers or anything else when it does arrive.

[rocklobster]

Another way is to determine which season / time of year the graphic was used. Anything before Q1 2021 I think it's safe to assume Clutch, anything after BBS.

[FuzzGNU]

Re Hopps boards, from what I can remember / looked up:


https://www.theoriesofatlantis.com/collections/decks


Hopps are part of the Theories group, which include a few brands with different woodshops, but as far as the main ones, Theories, Picture Show and Hopps, (as well as Isle and Magenta) they were BBS, then with pandemic issues they were using Clutch, but then someone posted that they had asked and Theories replied that they were back on BBS around the end of 2021 or so.  Both are made in Mexico.

I couldn't say for sure just from just looking at the pics as they were not clear enough on top views, but there was nothing to indicate the usual Clutch stamp - a letter and number stamped into the top, whereas BBS just have the dot and I could even tell from some of the stains as to which woodshop they were using, but that is getting harder to tell now as well.  Those current boards shown look like BBS to me anyway.

The other thing is Theories Distribution was getting the blanks and doing their own graphics in house, which means there would not be the usual warning sticker and often not even the usual "shop board" Generator sticker either, which was rather unique, but again I don't know all the details and whatever deal that was, it is a solid one.


As per others, I am also curious to see a top view, any stickers or anything else when it does arrive.

God Brim, you're the best. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and putting so much work into keeping this stuff straight. You're the MVP of SLAP, hands down.

Thanks for the info. I'm hyped on this board, and hyped on the boat load of magazines I'll be getting along side it.

Another way is to determine which season / time of year the graphic was used. Anything before Q1 2021 I think it's safe to assume Clutch, anything after BBS.

It looks like it was debuted January 2022, so I think it should be good. It's been long enough that maybe this is a later batch too possibly.

[rocklobster]

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Re Hopps boards, from what I can remember / looked up:


https://www.theoriesofatlantis.com/collections/decks


Hopps are part of the Theories group, which include a few brands with different woodshops, but as far as the main ones, Theories, Picture Show and Hopps, (as well as Isle and Magenta) they were BBS, then with pandemic issues they were using Clutch, but then someone posted that they had asked and Theories replied that they were back on BBS around the end of 2021 or so.  Both are made in Mexico.

I couldn't say for sure just from just looking at the pics as they were not clear enough on top views, but there was nothing to indicate the usual Clutch stamp - a letter and number stamped into the top, whereas BBS just have the dot and I could even tell from some of the stains as to which woodshop they were using, but that is getting harder to tell now as well.  Those current boards shown look like BBS to me anyway.

The other thing is Theories Distribution was getting the blanks and doing their own graphics in house, which means there would not be the usual warning sticker and often not even the usual "shop board" Generator sticker either, which was rather unique, but again I don't know all the details and whatever deal that was, it is a solid one.


As per others, I am also curious to see a top view, any stickers or anything else when it does arrive.

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God Brim, you're the best. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge and putting so much work into keeping this stuff straight. You're the MVP of SLAP, hands down.

Thanks for the info. I'm hyped on this board, and hyped on the boat load of magazines I'll be getting along side it.

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Another way is to determine which season / time of year the graphic was used. Anything before Q1 2021 I think it's safe to assume Clutch, anything after BBS.

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It looks like it was debuted January 2022, so I think it should be good. It's been long enough that maybe this is a later batch too possibly.

Yeah you should be in the clear, the ones on a lot of website clearance sections should be the Clutch ones.

https://garageskateshop.com/collections/decks/hopps?sort_by=price-ascending

[Woodshop]

Does anyone have experience with the Baker/Deathwish 8.475 (14.25 wheelbase) shape? Is it the same as the dlx 8.5?

Very similar, but slightly more tapered. Haven't ridden but stood on in a shop and it also seems as if both kicks are a hair longer. It looks like if they took the 8.25 and widened from the bolts back

Yes I have both here and meant to get them out to check but forgot about this until it was too late - hopefully I can check tomorrow.

From memory, the Baker 8.475 x 31.875 boards are definitely a bit wider right through and a bit more pointy than the way the DLX 8.5 x 31.85 is, especially in the nose.

Wheelbase 14.25 is the same but that is about it, even though the kicks are pretty much the same lengths overall.


https://bakerskateboards.com/pages/board-construction

[rawbertson.]

When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

[rocklobster]

When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

[backinaction]

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When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

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https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

They are also pressing “at a partner” in Mexico (&& maple, reissues:

 https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-7-ply-maple-skateboard-deck-9-13-x-32-8

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-vallely-elephant-skateboard-deck-lime-9-85-x-30

[Woodshop]

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When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

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https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

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They are also pressing “at a partner” in Mexico (&& maple, reissues:

 https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-7-ply-maple-skateboard-deck-9-13-x-32-8

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-vallely-elephant-skateboard-deck-lime-9-85-x-30

I thought this was discussed only in the last year or so, but if I recall correctly it was during the pandemic that they changed everything, when they moved location as well, but I haven't gone back to check any info in this or older threads as I type this.

It was something like this:

Flight boards still made in USA
Plain / normal popsicle boards made in China
Reissues made in Mexico

[Woodshop]

Does anyone have experience with the Baker/Deathwish 8.475 (14.25 wheelbase) shape? Is it the same as the dlx 8.5?

Very similar, but slightly more tapered. Haven't ridden but stood on in a shop and it also seems as if both kicks are a hair longer. It looks like if they took the 8.25 and widened from the bolts back

Update:

Yes I have both here and checked today.

From measuring, the Baker 8.475 x 31.875 boards are definitely a bit wider at 8.475 right through from very front bolts to very back bolts and ever so slightly more pointy than the way the DLX 8.5 x 31.85 is, especially in the nose but there is really almost nothing in it.

DLX 8.5 is only 8.5 right at the shoulder and is more like 8.4 through to a touch over 8.25 at the very back bolts, as well as being a bit shorter overall when I had them back to back.

Wheelbase 14.25 is the same but that is about it, even though the kicks are pretty much the same lengths overall.


Both of these are old boards, not current stock, so things could be slightly different nowdays, but at least they are fairly close all up.


https://bakerskateboards.com/pages/board-construction

[Punished Skateboards]

[FuzzGNU]

I don't quite understand what this means. Like people going to better woodshops or to worse woodshops?

[j....soy.....]

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When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

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https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

I know I’ve claimed rock hard….and it was more like a limp willow branch…..

[Woodshop]

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I don't quite understand what this means. Like people going to better woodshops or to worse woodshops?

Generally speaking, it means board companies are changing from one woodshop to another, not specifically for better or for worse, but I would imagine for the companies in question, it is a more financially viable option to change to someone who has cheaper product per unit, or might have better terms.

I don't know who in particular they are talking about, but I have definitely noticed within the last half year, it seems a lot more companies who were bigger and well established who used top tier woodshops like BBS, PS Stix or others are now getting wood from unknown woodshops in China, as per previous posts in the last few pages of this thread.

I am definitely curious to hear any more info, so I DM'd them and will see.

[rawbertson.]

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When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

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https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

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They are also pressing “at a partner” in Mexico (&& maple, reissues:

 https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-pro-andy-anderson-heron-7-ply-maple-skateboard-deck-9-13-x-32-8

https://www.skateone.com/powell-peralta-vallely-elephant-skateboard-deck-lime-9-85-x-30

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I thought this was discussed only in the last year or so, but if I recall correctly it was during the pandemic that they changed everything, when they moved location as well, but I haven't gone back to check any info in this or older threads as I type this.

It was something like this:

Flight boards still made in USA
Plain / normal popsicle boards made in China
Reissues made in Mexico

thank you for getting bakc ot me!!

[Vernon Wells]

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Curious if anyone is familiar with a company or mfg that produces boards with the following attributes; mellow concave, big and non-steep nose/tail, and a straight side rail (minimal hips before nose/tail). Pretty much like old crailtap shapes, seems like all their newer decks have quite steeper kicks now.

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That sounds like PGI boards, which are very straight, long kicks but overall very mellow, as per an 8.5 and other boards I have.

The only problem is I don't know many brands that use them currently, or depending on where you are in the world, there may be easier access to them, but here in Australia, one distributor of printed blanks use their wood, so a number of smaller brands come out with their graphics on that wood.

What size board are you usually riding as well, because to look at an 8 can often be different to looking at an 8.5 in terms of shapes, but all the boards of varying sizes I saw of this woodshop were very mellow, very boat like, round kicks, etc.

Failing that, I most commonly ride 8.5 boards from BBS and that shape that is used for many of their brands is long and straight, no taper, right through the sides, long round nose and tail and if the board is too steep, I park the car on it for a bit and it mellows it out perfectly, so that is another option and there are many more of those boards in the world.

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Usually skate between 8.25-8.5 with 14-14.25 WB range. I’ll take a look at PGI, saw a blood wizard deck a long time ago that looked tempting. Had a Pennswood and Prime blank last year that fit the bill but both warped and I gave them away. You recall the rest of the dimensions for the 8.5 BBS? Appreciate the info, and thanks to everyone else who mentioned PGI.

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If you want mellow concave and mild kick angles then stay away from BBS. Every mold I've ever seen from them has a significant spoon shape to it.

If you want the straight rails and mild kicks ala the good Ole 90s boards all us old dudes grew up on then PGI is one option but Personally the best answer I can give to your description is the south central "e" mold aka DOA flat as fuck. Hit up DOA on Instagram and see if they have any flats sitting around or if they have a date for the next drop (should be soon)... It's excellent wood and you get to support one of the coolest small brands out there as well.

PS has a few flat molds as well, the one that best matches what you're looking for is the Toy Machine mellow mold but they cut it into different shapes so sometimes it's not super tapered. If you can find the 8.25 x 31.5 mellow shape it's usually pretty flat. Usually classic monster and hell monster 8.25 get run on it but they sometimes run those graphics through other woodshops too so you have to be careful. I've had foundation boards are on it too but they tend to be on one of the medium shapes.

PGI is a nice flat mold but they tend to be pretty full kicks without a lot of taper. They also have a 14" wb which is a bonus for some and deal breaker for others. The wood is stiff and snappy but does sog out and it's epoxy glued so it's heavy. I really like the blood wizard 8.25 x 31.6 shape.

DSM has some flatties too... The palace 8.25 shapes are pretty popular with the "sore old guy" crowd these days.

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PGI seems to be the general consensus, I'll give it a go. I have skated a DOA faf deck, liked it and may revisit. They usually sell out quickly and I've been fluctuating/sampling different wheelbases/brands. I'll check out those Tum yeto and Palace shapes too. Appreciate all the info.

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https://imgur.com/a/47E9Qtq

This is the blood wizard/PGI 8.25 x 31.6 shape (Krahn Ouija graphic). It's flat concave wise but the kicks are more of a mild medium. Other pic is a DOA 8.25 flat to give you a frame of reference since you said you'd skated one. Let me know if you want any more pics or I can do this with some of the PS stix mellows if you want. I don't have a palace atm but I have a couple evisen which are the same mold.

Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

[Woodshop]

Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

[FuzzGNU]

Something interesting... My Theories of Atlantis order (with a Hopps deck) said it was shipped by "Chapman Skateboard Co Inc".

Does Chapman do purely distribution services for New York based skate companies too? Or are their boards made by Chapman now?

[FatGuy92]

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Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

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Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

Speaking of PGI, I was looking at some 8.25 Maxallure decks. Anyone know the dimensions? Tactics has WB for that size ranging from 14-14.5 lol. Also, PGI has more mellow kicks right?

[rocklobster]

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Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

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Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

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Speaking of PGI, I was looking at some 8.25 Maxallure decks. Anyone know the dimensions? Tactics has WB for that size ranging from 14-14.5 lol. Also, PGI has more mellow kicks right?

Just measured the 8.25 I had lying around:

8.25 x 31.6 x 14

Mellow kicks and concave, classic popsicle shape.

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

Something interesting... My Theories of Atlantis order (with a Hopps deck) said it was shipped by "Chapman Skateboard Co Inc".

Does Chapman do purely distribution services for New York based skate companies too? Or are their boards made by Chapman now?

Chapman prints and ships their boards. During the peak of COVID they were using the Clutch blanks that Chapman uses, but IIRC most of their stuff is back to being BBS.

[Vernon Wells]

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Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

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Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

It was a Maxallure, believe it's already on the list. Enigma indeed, dimensions seem to vary a lot on each website. The deck is 8.38 with 14.25 WB.

[Woodshop]

Element board with engraved dimensions. The website says that the 8.25 boards have 14.25 wb but on here is different?

At least that one is still BBS as quite a lot are now from an unknown woodshop and made in China.


Re the sizes, yes it is the weirdest thing that (a) the dimensions are so random on a lot of the boards, eg wb at 14.307 and then (b) they can almost never seem to get them right from what is on the board to what is listed in Element marketing and promo material, which is then used by the shops, boards unseen.


Some shops look like they have actually checked the boards and have those measurements listed, but most use whatever spreadsheet info they are given and so the listings can be way off for a lot of them.

They are often on sale and very cheap, so work out well for good wood, but from three boards of 8.38 size, all three are different dimensions, lengths and wheelbases, which is pretty funny, but also a little frustrating.

[Woodshop]

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Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

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Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

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It was a Maxallure, believe it's already on the list. Enigma indeed, dimensions seem to vary a lot on each website. The deck is 8.38 with 14.25 WB.

Thank you!

I was thinking that it would be Maxallure as that seems to be the main company still using them, but I had to ask.

[FatGuy92]

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Cool, thanks for the pics. Ended up scooping an 8.25 PS Stix and 8.38 PGI from the 303 sale.

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Which board brand was on PGI and is it already on the list?

The PGI product is a bit of an enigma to me, so I always want to know more.

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Speaking of PGI, I was looking at some 8.25 Maxallure decks. Anyone know the dimensions? Tactics has WB for that size ranging from 14-14.5 lol. Also, PGI has more mellow kicks right?

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Just measured the 8.25 I had lying around:

8.25 x 31.6 x 14

Mellow kicks and concave, classic popsicle shape.

Thank you good sir that's exactly what I was hoping for

[Sativa Lung]

Something interesting... My Theories of Atlantis order (with a Hopps deck) said it was shipped by "Chapman Skateboard Co Inc".

Does Chapman do purely distribution services for New York based skate companies too? Or are their boards made by Chapman now?

I feel like I'm posting this for the hundredth time... Chapman doesn't press boards and hasn't for a good 5 or so years now. Their woodshop is long gone, even longer than quincy.

They get bulk clutch blanks and apply heat transfers. It's the same business model PGI, point, and a few others use.

Also I'm not sure what the confusion is about PGI. Same exact thing, just boards from a Chinese woodshop (dailan huahong iirc though im probably butchering the spelling). They're located in socal so a lot of smaller brands use them since theyre local and affordable.

[GBLange]

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When did Skate ONE start manufacturing boards in China / Mexico? do we know which boards are made there? Was it when the Mini-Logo brand "rebranded" into that military vibe? Those decks were clearly much shittier than the ones in the early 2000s we used to get:

https://www.facebook.com/107194821200835/photos/a.113311503922500/172478721339111/?type=3

2000 S.O.C. I am assuming that means Skate One Corp? but doenst say where its manufactured. I would think going back that far they must have still been made in USA if it was only more recently they switched.

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https://powell-peralta.com/powell-peralta-yosozumi-samurai-skateboard-deck-red-shape-244-k20-8-5-x-32-08

I think it's safe to assume all decks that aren't Flight or old school reissues are made in China, including blanks and pro model decks. I'm always suspicious when companies use the word Rock Hard Maple, I know some companies use that as code for birch.

If I had to guess they made the switch in the early 2010s? Just about when the time of the recession.

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I know I’ve claimed rock hard….and it was more like a limp willow branch…..

i kinda like their Powell SST decks..rode a few in 1996..

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Something interesting... My Theories of Atlantis order (with a Hopps deck) said it was shipped by "Chapman Skateboard Co Inc".

Does Chapman do purely distribution services for New York based skate companies too? Or are their boards made by Chapman now?

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I feel like I'm posting this for the hundredth time... Chapman doesn't press boards and hasn't for a good 5 or so years now. Their woodshop is long gone, even longer than quincy.

They get bulk clutch blanks and apply heat transfers. It's the same business model PGI, point, and a few others use.

Also I'm not sure what the confusion is about PGI. Same exact thing, just boards from a Chinese woodshop (dailan huahong iirc though im probably butchering the spelling). They're located in socal so a lot of smaller brands use them since theyre local and affordable.

Hey thanks for the info! Always. Very much appreciate your insight.
I’ve been confused about pgi: I thought crail boards were pgi and then switch to dailan h. I have had a few pgi boards that were as good as a deck can be, and then a few that were sog. The ‘new’ crail wood is very consistent, and extremely durable, I really like the dimensions of their shapes…but they are stiff, and I just don’t like them quite as much as before. I like ps stix wood, less stiff. Aaaaaaaanyways, sounds like pgi is just a middle business and not the manufacturer, good to know.