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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: thorin on November 25, 2024, 08:36:07 PM
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
25% Tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada. An Extra 10% on China.
You thought the industry was doing it tough before, now it's cooked.
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R.I.P. Black Friday.
Making everything dramatically more expensive is the most direct form of environmentalism you'll ever see from the government.
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good thing i have a stack of old decks for the next four years
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Bout to run through all my wall boards
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Bout to run through all my wall boards
found the kool-aid man’s alt
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It would actually present an opportunity or two to open woodshops in the US to support people here and avoid tariffs. It would be cool to open one and provide jobs for the homeless making boards. Getting people back on their feet and knowing the conditions are probably better for the workers than they would be in the factories in Mexico and China.
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
And it's not like you can build an industrial woodshop over a long weekend even if you wanted to...
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
And it's not like you can build an industrial woodshop over a long weekend even if you wanted to...
They have some time. Deck manufacturing isn't that complicated. Powell kept some manufacturing in Ventura. So they have options albeit with diminished capacity.
It wasn't that long ago that Indy, Venture, Thunder, Spitfire were all made in the US.
PS Stix and BBS are based in SoCal, just a short commute from their manufacturing in TJ. At a certain point, it might be more cost effective to bring things back over the border.
Of course, there might be less labor available with deportations...
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And quality would probably be better as well. You may not be able to set it up in a weekend but someone I'm sure is seeing the possibility here and could get it up and running by the time this could potentially be an issue. This is the case with many industries. If we wouldn't have outsourced everything for cheaper shit (price and quality), we wouldn't be in this position now. I support bringing as much as we can back inside the US and giving work to people here. I'm not sure how anyone wouldn't want this.
Either way, I prefer to look at the silver lining. Fucking deck prices have went up ridiculous in the past 5-10 years already, and there weren't tariffs to blame then, and I feel like quality is down over what they used to be. Create jobs here, get quality up and eventually find a way to stop the rising prices.
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And quality would probably be better as well. You may not be able to set it up in a weekend but someone I'm sure is seeing the possibility here and could get it up and running by the time this could potentially be an issue. This is the case with many industries. If we wouldn't have outsourced everything for cheaper shit (price and quality), we wouldn't be in this position now. I support bringing as much as we can back inside the US and giving work to people here. I'm not sure how anyone wouldn't want this.
Either way, I prefer to look at the silver lining. Fucking deck prices have went up ridiculous in the past 5-10 years already, and there weren't tariffs to blame then, and I feel like quality is down over what they used to be. Create jobs here, get quality up and eventually find a way to stop the rising prices.
youre describing neoliberalism, most people fall for populism because of it since they understand neither
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
All the maple is imported from Canada. Try again.
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Yes, in America prisoners make license plates, and the homeless make skateboard decks. What a dream.
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^Aren't there some prisoners who also make skateboard decks?
Where do the homeless live while working a less than minimum wage job? Also you'd assume they haven't made skateboards before so how would the quality somehow go up over people who've been doing it for years?
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^Aren't there some prisoners who also make skateboard decks?
Where do the homeless live while working a less than minimum wage job? Also you'd assume they haven't made skateboards before so how would the quality somehow go up over people who've been doing it for years?
No idea, but there was a guy cooperating with incarcerated artists in Fresno to paint/draw on used/donated decks to give to kids as a charity deal. Pretty cool.
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
25% Tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada. An Extra 10% on China.
You thought the industry was doing it tough before, now it's cooked.
Welcome to canadas pricing for hard goods
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To anyone naive enough to think “well someone will just open a woodshop and press boards in the good ole USA”…
Where do you think the wood plies come from?? Not the US that’s for sure.
And PS Stix or BBS ain’t moving production back home either. They’re gonna be passing it on to the consumer as is tradition.
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You're probably right but I know there has already been some talk in bigger industries (footwear for instance) about things coming full circle., or partial circle with an increase in the US manufacturing, or closer to home manufacturing.
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Sucks for us Canadians as the wood comes from here, goes to Mexico to get turned into boards and then is shipped directly back to the Canadian distributors to sell to Canada.
Technically this shouldn't affect our board prices but for sure prices are going to get jacked up across the board (no pun intended).
Ah well I'm going to get to work on a board pressing factory in my garage in the middle of the winter and start recruiting unhoused people to make them.
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Sucks for us Canadians as the wood comes from here, goes to Mexico to get turned into boards and then is shipped directly back to the Canadian distributors to sell to Canada.
Technically this shouldn't affect our board prices but for sure prices are going to get jacked up across the board (no pun intended).
Ah well I'm going to get to work on a board pressing factory in my garage in the middle of the winter and start recruiting unhoused people to make them.
Good shit right here.
As a former prisoner and homeless person, Id take this job asap
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there are some factories in the USA though so maybe we'll be seeing more of those? and control in canada?
i'd guess that canada will see more china boards (ex dlx) imported directly from china
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Thank you all for the reminder why I focused my last account, and I stay in only 3 or 4 threads so I can continue enjoying the forum these days. I'll let you get back to it
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Is Chapman still around? I always thought they were pretty coveted at one point in time. What about South Central? I remember seeing them get some praise in the woodshop thread before.
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You're probably right but I know there has already been some talk in bigger industries (footwear for instance) about things coming full circle., or partial circle with an increase in the US manufacturing, or closer to home manufacturing.
I'm all for encouraging manufacturing to be done in the USA. However, the shock of attempting to bring it all back overnight is going to be painful and it won't recreate the 1950s where every half-sober barely literate White guy was able to find a job that paid enough for a house, a car, and kids in college. I wonder if trying to do it all at once will do more harm than good.
-Technology has improved dramatically over the years. Companies can produce a lot more with far fewer workers.
-Companies returning to the US aren't going to want to give up their profit margin and will continue to invest in technology to reduce labor needs.
-We aren't pro-union or pro-worker (and there is no threat of Soviet communism to force employers make concessions). The jobs are likely going to pay shit.
-The jobs are likely to be jobs Americans don't want. Crippling yourself to produce goods is not ideal. The common factory worker trope "I don't want my kids to do this job" existed for a reason.
-A lot of Americans in these former factory towns have issues employers might not want to deal with (drug addiction).
-There will be all sorts of internal supply issues slowing production.
-We will lose customers for our goods. I can be convinced to pay a little more to support an American job, why the fuck would a Canadian, Mexican, or European give a shit? They have no moral incentive to give their money to Americans.
-We made factory work slightly more bearable with safety regulations? What will happen to them?
-Same question for the environment and the neighborhoods next to these factories?
Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America without replacing the majority of people with robots. Can you cite something here?
(https://i.ibb.co/fD9pPS0/Screenshot-2024-11-26-at-10-55-39-AM.png)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXn2AlHOU_g
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It’s nice that everyone is trying to be positive but manufacturing is not coming back to the US without significant price increases.
The labor force is too expensive. Between wage/ insurance etc…it’s not competitive. Taxes too.
Raw goods for boards are not sourced in the US as someone pointed out. Unless you all want to ride Beer City decks.they are the only company that I think uses Wisconsin only wood.
Quality is a management factor, not geographic location.
Shoes will not be made here. Just a lateral move to another cheap labor country. India etc…
Aluminum is probably the only industry that could adapt with less pass on price.
Prices will increase and production will likely decrease. Less choices, less pros, less companies.
Pass on is probably going to be about 8-15% increase on decks at least. So another 6-12 bucks roughly. My guesstimate anyway.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
25% Tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada. An Extra 10% on China.
You thought the industry was doing it tough before, now it's cooked.
Welcome to canadas pricing for hard goods
Europe as well. Welcome to the club
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
All the maple is imported from Canada. Try again.
wood glue, paint, machines and machine parts, equipment maintenance and expertise, waste management, supply transportation logistics, industrial land use. all these goods and services would likely increase in cost as well, tariffs aside
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Thank god apples will be cheap enough so I can buy 3 and not have to put one back.
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Possibly a stupid question, but how will this affect uk pricing? For instance will it affect the uk manufactures who import the decks from the U.S? Or what about say Girl/Choc boards which are made in china? Will they get shipped straight here to save the extra tax increases?
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
I’ve had some exposure to Keen’s made in USA manufacturing. I’d call it more “assembled in the USA”. I’m not privy to their material sourcing, but it appeared that outsoles still came from their overseas factories and leather and other materials from various sources. I’ll assume that tariffs will apply to some of those pieces.
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Bout to run through all my wall boards
I have some 3/4/5 year old ex wall boards I'd consider skating if things get out of hand, but I'll probably end up paying the piper. Barely remember the last board i broke
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I'm involved with USA clothing manufacturing, and I'll tell you right now that garment manufacturing will never come back to the USA in any major capacity.
If these crazy tariffs do go through, I wouldn't expect them to last more than six months regardless. Besides, if you start mass deporting immigrants, there's definitely no way you're ramping up any kind of manufacturing in this country.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
There's maple trees all over the states but I'd imagine we'd just start getting trees from all the states along the 49th as close to the border as possible.
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
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Maple grows more slowly in colder climates, so Canadian maple is harder, with tighter grain structure than maple from the USA.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Woodchuck does not make boards in the USA. If they did, it would be a greater part of their marketing. I used woodchuck for my board brand at one point and bought a 5 pack earlier this year. They’re decent enough, but not made in the USA.
In my experience with woodshops if the boards are pressed in North America, they’ll let you know.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
More plentiful in Canada- I mean it’s on their flag and everything .Cold climate wood is denser and better quality for decks.
I don’t think there is a region that could produce enough in the US outside of Wisconsin and Michigan / Great Lakes area.
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
I’ve had some exposure to Keen’s made in USA manufacturing. I’d call it more “assembled in the USA”. I’m not privy to their material sourcing, but it appeared that outsoles still came from their overseas factories and leather and other materials from various sources. I’ll assume that tariffs will apply to some of those pieces.
Yes. Very true. "Assembled in US" is more accurate. Funnily enough he just sent me some info on the chemical and material break down of shoes. According to him a "typical pair of shoes has 50+ components coming from dozens of material suppliers, who in turn work with dozens of sub suppliers." All from SE Asia...
So yeah, even if assembled in the US, its fucked...
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At least swiss bearings won't be impacted.
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the skateboard industry can turn into a similar situation like Brazil. Mostly local brands since people can't afford products from outside. There will probably also be a lot of manufacturing of the same brand in different continents. With out being an industry expert (which I am not) I know there are a few brands that are made different places. Like a flip board in Europe is made here and a flip board in the us is probably in mexico.
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About the only positive I can draw from this is that it makes my skate hoarding look brilliant and deliberate.
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
I’ve had some exposure to Keen’s made in USA manufacturing. I’d call it more “assembled in the USA”. I’m not privy to their material sourcing, but it appeared that outsoles still came from their overseas factories and leather and other materials from various sources. I’ll assume that tariffs will apply to some of those pieces.
Yes. Very true. "Assembled in US" is more accurate. Funnily enough he just sent me some info on the chemical and material break down of shoes. According to him a "typical pair of shoes has 50+ components coming from dozens of material suppliers, who in turn work with dozens of sub suppliers." All from SE Asia...
So yeah, even if assembled in the US, its fucked...
^I remembered Oakley puts "Assembled in USA" on their glasses instead of "Made in USA" because all their parts come from overseas, and then their assembly line in the US puts them together. Don't think you're allowed to write "made in USA" unless the parts come from here too.
As for footwear coming to the US, i can't see that happening anytime soon. A majority of skate footwear comes from asia - specifically Vietnam and China. The cost to make shoes over there can range from roughly $8-$20 per shoe for your fairly simple cupsoles and vulc skate shoes. It's impossible to meet this pricing if you are to source the footwear from the US. Granted, this is also before tariff prices and shipping costs are applied to the shoes. Let me break down how this works for you:
Lets say a shoe costs $15 for a brand to produce. If it is coming from china, that adds a 10% tariff rate just for coming out of China. Then your additional tariff will depend on the type of shoe. If it is made out of mostly Suede/Leather, it falls under the classification of 'animal hyde' footwear - that adds another roughly 8% tariff rate. If the shoe is made out of mostly canvas or synthetics, you're paying an even higher rate. Lets also say you're paying $2/shoe for every shoe you ship into the US via a cargo ship (cheapest option). Now the shoe company is paying an additional $4.70 on top of the price of shoe for tariffs and freight prices. This shoe now costs shoe company a total of $19.70 per unit. Shoe company will now charge double for wholesale accounts at roughly $40/shoe. This price doubled again at the retail level is now $80 for this shoe.
So the $80 shoe you bought at the skate shop cost the shoe company around $20 to make, give or take a few dollars.
Now if you take a 'made in the US' shoe like a New Balance 998 Made in the USA which costs $210, we can assume the average cost for NB to produce the shoe is about $52.50. Granted this is a running shoe, not a skate shoe, but the same basic cost/pricing ratio applies.
That cost difference alone would hurt companies a ton in a time where people are already complaining heavily about the prices of shoes everything going up, which they will with the upcoming tariff increases for the US in 2025. EU pricing should stay the same because additional cost due to tariff pricing applies only to the US at the moment? Dunno really why I wrote all this but yeah, hope this breaks things down for y'all. Source: I used to work in the footwear industry
tl;dr - shoes would cost way too much to manufacture in the US, so that production shift wont happen.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
More plentiful in Canada- I mean it’s on their flag and everything .Cold climate wood is denser and better quality for decks.
I don’t think there is a region that could produce enough in the US outside of Wisconsin and Michigan / Great Lakes area.
Skateboards are made specifically with sugar maple, which really can't grow anywhere else besides northern north america. I suppose they can be made of any hardwood, it just wouldn't be the same. We'll either skate Walmart style decks or go back to sidewalk surfing on oak planks. Also, aluminum ores are most abundant in China. The U.S. can't start excreting natural resources we don't have.
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
More plentiful in Canada- I mean it’s on their flag and everything .Cold climate wood is denser and better quality for decks.
I don’t think there is a region that could produce enough in the US outside of Wisconsin and Michigan / Great Lakes area.
Skateboards are made specifically with sugar maple, which really can't grow anywhere else besides northern north america. I suppose they can be made of any hardwood, it just wouldn't be the same. We'll either skate Walmart style decks or go back to sidewalk surfing on oak planks. Also, aluminum ores are most abundant in China. The U.S. can't start excreting natural resources we don't have.
The tactics site says they use Wisconsin maple In their shop boards. I DMed them on IG and said they’re still using BBS. Ergo BBs is getting their wood from Wisconsin at least at the moment. So there is at least wood available in the US for US manufacturers to get a hold on.
I do wonder if bigger brands move toward the smaller US woodshops (drifter, Quincy, empire,) will that force out some smaller ones
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Woodchuck makes boards in US. Skated a few of them and liked them. If they can figure maple they’d be good to go, but dunno if us maple even is a thing
Can anyone explain why Canadian maple specifically is what most boards are made of?
More plentiful in Canada- I mean it’s on their flag and everything .Cold climate wood is denser and better quality for decks.
I don’t think there is a region that could produce enough in the US outside of Wisconsin and Michigan / Great Lakes area.
Skateboards are made specifically with sugar maple, which really can't grow anywhere else besides northern north america. I suppose they can be made of any hardwood, it just wouldn't be the same. We'll either skate Walmart style decks or go back to sidewalk surfing on oak planks. Also, aluminum ores are most abundant in China. The U.S. can't start excreting natural resources we don't have.
The tactics site says they use Wisconsin maple In their shop boards. I DMed them on IG and said they’re still using BBS. Ergo BBs is getting their wood from Wisconsin at least at the moment. So there is at least wood available in the US for US manufacturers to get a hold on.
I do wonder if bigger brands move toward the smaller US woodshops (drifter, Quincy, empire,) will that force out some smaller ones
It's not as dense and strong. I wonder if it's cheaper. Then again, woodshops have been using chinese "maple" as filler layers unbeknownst to consumers.
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
I’ve had some exposure to Keen’s made in USA manufacturing. I’d call it more “assembled in the USA”. I’m not privy to their material sourcing, but it appeared that outsoles still came from their overseas factories and leather and other materials from various sources. I’ll assume that tariffs will apply to some of those pieces.
Yes. Very true. "Assembled in US" is more accurate. Funnily enough he just sent me some info on the chemical and material break down of shoes. According to him a "typical pair of shoes has 50+ components coming from dozens of material suppliers, who in turn work with dozens of sub suppliers." All from SE Asia...
So yeah, even if assembled in the US, its fucked...
^I remembered Oakley puts "Assembled in USA" on their glasses instead of "Made in USA" because all their parts come from overseas, and then their assembly line in the US puts them together. Don't think you're allowed to write "made in USA" unless the parts come from here too.
You might know better, but I’m sure there’s some legal threshold of the amount components and labor that determines “made in USA”.
Full side question on this topic. Are raw materials going to be subject to these tariffs, or is it focused on manufactured goods? I suppose none of us know at this point. But that will change the equation a bit.
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HLC has a Texas plant now i wonder if they will shift some things around in anticipation of the tariffs
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In Europe HLC woodshop has their mouth salivating. Their demand is going to go through the roof.
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America is going to catch up in prices like the rest of us.
In the UK baker, passport, welcome, FA and hockey etc are 80-100 not in the sale all brands are similar pricing.
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America is going to catch up in prices like the rest of us.
In the UK baker, passport, welcome, FA and hockey etc are 80-100 not in the sale all brands are similar pricing.
Same with wheels are trucks, shits pretty expensive here.
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most of this discussion assumes that trump is actually going implement the tariffs he talked about while campaigning. it's certainly possible, but his track record is pretty much 100% in lockstep with whatever Big Business wants, and i suspect most Big Business leaders would prefer not to fuck up their bottom line by restructuring their entire business around a trade war with china.
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Finally, I'm unsure which shoe companies want to deal with all this and bring manufacturing back to America. Can you cite something here?
I have friends in the industry. One is a material engineer at Nike (not saying Nike is going in this direction but he knows a lot about outsourcing labor and how it moves on from country to country).
the other looks at ways of making manufacturing more socially and ecologically sound (puffing magic fairy dust basically). he did work for Keen and now he's an independent contractor. He knows a shit tonne but I generally tune out when he starts talking about this stuff... i'll get his take on it when we go surfing next.
Companies like Keen and New Balance already have made in US and UK options. spendy and low volume but its in place.
If you can ask your friend for any public statistics to support these stories that'd be great. Or even articles in industry magazines.
As for New Balance's puffery about being made in America, well it is great marketing. New Balance makes 16 million pairs of shoes each year, but only 4 million are labeled "Made in America." And, even these "made in America" shoes require pieces from abroad.
I wasn't planning on getting that deep and perhaps should have been clearer. My only anecdotal point was, from what I hear companies are indeed having increasing conversations around what it means to brings manufacturing back to the USA. I won't be getting into stats and numbers for you sorry... haha. I work with getting young humans into housing... that's the only data I will bog myself down with... will report back how a 2nd Trump term impacts homelessness...
I’ve had some exposure to Keen’s made in USA manufacturing. I’d call it more “assembled in the USA”. I’m not privy to their material sourcing, but it appeared that outsoles still came from their overseas factories and leather and other materials from various sources. I’ll assume that tariffs will apply to some of those pieces.
Yes. Very true. "Assembled in US" is more accurate. Funnily enough he just sent me some info on the chemical and material break down of shoes. According to him a "typical pair of shoes has 50+ components coming from dozens of material suppliers, who in turn work with dozens of sub suppliers." All from SE Asia...
So yeah, even if assembled in the US, its fucked...
^I remembered Oakley puts "Assembled in USA" on their glasses instead of "Made in USA" because all their parts come from overseas, and then their assembly line in the US puts them together. Don't think you're allowed to write "made in USA" unless the parts come from here too.
You might know better, but I’m sure there’s some legal threshold of the amount components and labor that determines “made in USA”.
Full side question on this topic. Are raw materials going to be subject to these tariffs, or is it focused on manufactured goods? I suppose none of us know at this point. But that will change the equation a bit.
Pretty sure that legal threshold is what got Oakley in trouble and made them update their products to say "assembled in USA"
As for raw materials, I would imagine that would be subject to those tariffs as well. Anything coming from an outside country to the US is basically subject to a tariff, which is based on two things: a flat rate for the country it is being exported from, and an additional specific rate for the type of good that is being exported.
So a canvas shoe coming out of China will have a higher tariff rate than a suede version of the same shoe coming out of china because the tariff classification for a canvas shoe falls under higher rate than suede. This doesn't necessarily make the canvas shoe more expensive, because the raw material costs for canvas are way cheaper than for suede, but the total tariffs paid on each canvas shoe will likely be slightly higher than the tariff for the suede shoe.
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It would actually present an opportunity or two to open woodshops in the US to support people here and avoid tariffs. It would be cool to open one and provide jobs for the homeless making boards. Getting people back on their feet and knowing the conditions are probably better for the workers than they would be in the factories in Mexico and China.
Well where are you going to get that Canadian Maple from for thus factories in the USA?
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Yes, in America prisoners make license plates, and the homeless make skateboard decks. What a dream.
Prisoners make skateboards too.
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another big reason why manufacturing left America was environmental regulations. In other countries businesses can operate in a way that can not be done in America regarding pollution and environmental impact. The current administration wants to cut the EPA and loosen labor laws so the conditions for manufacturing might become more favorable, but I only see companies wanting to do that if "Made in USA" actually moves more units and creates more profit. I dont think USA made skateboards will sell better than imported skateboards.
South Central MFG uses prison labor to make skateboards
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Legend is out of Sacramento and he stains/presses/shapes/screens his own boards in house. Not sure where his wood is sourced from though, I’ll ask next time I get a chance to skate with him.
For the record, I love BBS wood and his are on par.
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If anyone wants me to come out and start digging a dlxsf tunnel let me know now so I can clear my schedule for the next few months.
And just wait yo like a lot of these brands are just gonna raise their prices anyway and blame it on the Republican Party
The shoe industry we need to sacrifice it
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here in canada some fa boards retail for $149.95 and hit sale prices at $104.97. shit been cooked
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I need to get wheels and I need boards really badly too. I’m just going to stop in the shop and buy all the 97s and 99s over 57mm if I can get like five pair, I’ll be good till the term is over. I’ve been able to make boards last two months now with a heavy skating. I just don’t do any of the Gumby tail tricks
I am desperate for wood rn. I almost set up my last Hitek Bloard with the timbs/eggs graphic. Last night.
I can’t do it. I got a stack of wall boards and that one’s and the Henry Sanchez dgk hologram are the top of my collection.
I saved some traffic stuff some grimple. Hopps I know the graphics seem cool because they’re heat transfers but I missed out on traffic. I was busy doing jail in the 00s.
Coakley is the truth. I think pj is the best but. Cc has the bulletproof body of work
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here in canada some fa boards retail for $149.95 and hit sale prices at $104.97. shit been cooked
i regularly find FAs for around 50 eurolinos when theyre on sale while random HLCs go for 70. i know its more of a demand thing but i still think its crazy how little impact production and import actually have in europe.
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There’s still old wood laying around hence the lower price. When that’s gone they will all be €100+
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
25% Tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada. An Extra 10% on China.
You thought the industry was doing it tough before, now it's cooked.
Welcome to canadas pricing for hard goods
Europe as well. Welcome to the club
Ditto for Asia.
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Let’s be real. Taking wood from Canada and shipping it to China to be turned into skateboard decks to be sold in USA/EU/etc is bad enough.
Worse is the fact that the skateboard industry is founded on glorifying the destruction of said resource hungry artefacts in a grotesque frenzy that leaves bricks and mortar and flesh and bone mutilated.
Skateboarding is a consumerist fire that ought to be extinguished.
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
All the maple is imported from Canada. Try again.
From my understanding these import Tariffs can be avoided. For example, Toyota does this by having vehicles built in the US with imported parts from Japan. So ideally the same principle would apply with other industries with the goal of bringing back more manufacturing and labor jobs to US workers.
With that being said, I don’t think it’s far fetched idea for a skate company to ponder moving production back to the US, especially since the new administration is dead set on deregulation. I for one wouldn’t mind paying more for a made in USA DLX board, ermico trucks and wheels (not that I’d switch from my made in USA bones wheels ;D ).
Lastly, agreed that this ain’t happening overnight. But it’s a decent attempt to bring a spark back to US manufacturing. Only time will tell if it works.
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Ever moved house? It’s annoying and expensive. And not easy to find a good place. Now imagine moving from Vietnam to USA with a tight budget.
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
16 year old me would have quit my McDonald’s job in a heart beat work in the sole tech mines
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Coakley is the truth. I think pj is the best but. Cc has the bulletproof body of work
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
Robots. There will be no jobs, only automation. There will be no “universal basic income”.
Don’t have a job? Go to jail and provide slave labor to the state.
Have a job? Better keep your mouth shut and be a good worker bee or find yourself in column A.
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Let’s just quit skating so we’re unaffected.
Gottem
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
Robots. There will be no jobs, only automation. There will be no “universal basic income”.
Don’t have a job? Go to jail and provide slave labor to the state.
Have a job? Better keep your mouth shut and be a good worker bee or find yourself in column A.
They've already automated most of the factory work worth automating though. I'm sure they'd want to do more if they good efficiently but the tech still isn't there. There will always be bunk ass jobs you gonna pay humans to do. Outside of factory work farming a really good example of how you can only do so much with automation. Those fucking machines are so crazy technologically they can pick and sort specific parts of plants but there's still fruits that will always be harvested by man because despite all the crazy tech farmers have at their disposal, picking the shit by hand is the most efficient and effective way. There will always be shit ass work for humans to do even if it's just resetting the robot when it gets it dumbass stuck. I work in a warehouse where they wanna automate everything and alot of that shit works, but it isn't efficient, paying a human to do is more efficient, even if getting a robot to do it is cheaper, in the long run paying the human to do it is more profitable. There's very effective automation systems but the require so much maitnece and money to operate that it's never gonna be feasible for most aspects of employment. The far future who knows but humans will not be replaced any time soon.
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hadn't considered this. im cooked.
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How do you feel about 100% tariffs?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/01/trump-threat-100-per-cent-tariffs-brics-nations-dollar
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I wonder how many people are actually willing to pay more for goods and services to make sure an American makes decent money. I question this for a few reasons:
1. Macro: Dollar General, Walmart, and Amazon are all known to treat their low level laborers like shit. Does this stop anyone from shopping there? Not many. All three continue to do very well among consumers. Dollar General and Walmart being conservative favorites.
2. Social Science: People are poor predictors of their own behavior. Asking people "What would you do in x scenario?" is awful research, the better questions is, "What did you do in x scenario?" We would all say that we wouldn't shock someone to death because they answered a question wrong, but Milgram showed us that most of us would.
3. Poor Sampling: Much of SLAP isn't always a fan of paying more to support skateboarding, something we've all based our lives around: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=130377.0 and has already complained about the cost of boards https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126940.0
4. Anecdotal: I've tried convincing family members who complain about their working conditions or those lucky enough to have a union job to support companies that are unionized or treat their workers well, none of them give a shit. I repeat what my poli sci prof taught me,"We have two votes in America, our actual vote and our money. " and then add on, "If you want better working conditions shop at places that treat workers well and ignore the places that don't" and they shrug it off. Low prices is all that matters to them.
While I think there is a better moral story around this potential Trumpflation than around the post-pandemic inflation, "We're suffering for other Americans and to make our country strong" vs "restarting factories and supply chains takes time AND lots of people are trying to post-pandemic spend all at the same time", I don't think many will actually give a shit about others. I don't think we are moving into a post-individualist America that embraces communal values. It is like the people who say "spending money on Ukraine is wrong that money could got to help Americans" and then say, "Fuck government housing, fuck socialized medicine, fuck all that communist Marxist shit." They don't want to help Americans, they just want an excuse to not fight against a country that they don't understand. And I certainly don't think Canadians, Europeans, Africans, etc. give a fuck about American jobs nor do I think "Made in America" symbolizes quality like it did 70 years ago.
I can't stress potential Trumpflation enough as tariff exceptions will be made, companies had to be preparing for this, and companies might quietly eat the costs temporarily to get big tax breaks and get weaker worker safety laws.
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Let’s be real. Taking wood from Canada and shipping it to China to be turned into skateboard decks to be sold in USA/EU/etc is bad enough.
Worse is the fact that the skateboard industry is founded on glorifying the destruction of said resource hungry artefacts in a grotesque frenzy that leaves bricks and mortar and flesh and bone mutilated.
Skateboarding is a consumerist fire that ought to be extinguished.
You first :D
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How do you feel about 100% tariffs?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/01/trump-threat-100-per-cent-tariffs-brics-nations-dollar
What about 200%? That’s what he’s said he’s going to do to John Deer Tractors
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
The mystical factory jobs and workers of olde were only able to provide/have a decent quality of life because they were union jobs. Conversation about this shit is like walking into a wall. What makes anyone think that anything but any hypothetical jobs would be anything but free trade labor or what the market will bear?
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Unemployment has been very low in the USA for a few years now. Who is going to be jumping to take these new factory jobs?
Robots. There will be no jobs, only automation. There will be no “universal basic income”.
Don’t have a job? Go to jail and provide slave labor to the state.
Have a job? Better keep your mouth shut and be a good worker bee or find yourself in column A.
Both exactly right. These fat cats have zero interest in helping the Working Man.
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It's not as insane to make skateboards in America as you think, they use a lot of the same technology that is used in plywood style furniture making, theres probably plenty of those mfg places that need steady business. Supernaut did their own boards for a while and I'm pretty sure that was at a furniture factory in northern California, Gangenmi did Vehicle boards out of his family's furniture manufacturer. Anyone remember Taylor-Dykema boards? they did a lot of peoples wood and I randomly googled them one day and they did tons of MFG for other word related products. Prime still does boards in California it think? Also if you remember Schmitt said all the industry got their uncut blanks from water ski companies in the 80s, and it worked well cuz those companies were slow in the winter. Of course idk if anyone even water skies anymore truthfully and all of that manufacturing might be outsourced overseas by now. American skateboard mfging is possible, I don't actually think it's going to happen but it can.
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Automation doesn't always kill jobs, I met with a clothing manufacturing company here and they couldn't get a half of their workforce to come back after covid cuz they were getting to much free money, so against their own wishes they decided to automate, they took all the employees that wanted come back, trained them as techs on the machines and paid them more for an easier job. Also went to welding union meeting and some students there expressed concern about robot welding, and they were told every robot still needed an operator and a quality control person and the robots basically took away the danger and the actual physical labor of the welding but a professional welder was still need to make sure the work was quality and set up the machine
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
Lol I have been "stocking up" the past like 4 years ;D and it has nothing to do with tarriffs coming etc hahaha
those prices you listed are already the price here in Canada :D you can get $83 MSRP spitfire F4s (60mm Radial Full)
the shop owner told me he won't charge me that much but he knows damn well I will pay it :o
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It's not as insane to make skateboards in America as you think, they use a lot of the same technology that is used in plywood style furniture making, theres probably plenty of those mfg places that need steady business. Supernaut did their own boards for a while and I'm pretty sure that was at a furniture factory in northern California, Gangenmi did Vehicle boards out of his family's furniture manufacturer. Anyone remember Taylor-Dykema boards? they did a lot of peoples wood and I randomly googled them one day and they did tons of MFG for other word related products. Prime still does boards in California it think? Also if you remember Schmitt said all the industry got their uncut blanks from water ski companies in the 80s, and it worked well cuz those companies were slow in the winter. Of course idk if anyone even water skies anymore truthfully and all of that manufacturing might be outsourced overseas by now. American skateboard mfging is possible, I don't actually think it's going to happen but it can.
Do you understand there is more to the skateboard production pipeline than just pressing boards? Where does the wood come from? Do you know how much of the US has been clear cut? Where does the aluminum for trucks come from? How much aluminum ore is mined in this country? Where does the urethane get made? Yes, we produce a lot of petroleum but where is that processed into urethane for wheels? Where is the grit for griptape coming from? Where does the ink come from for the graphics? Where are the board presses made? There is much more to manufacturing than the final product. That doesn't even consider soft goods, which is the really bread and butter of a skateboard company. To think all of that is just gonna come back stateside is naive, sorry.
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Stupid people always make the world seem so simple. But it’s because they’re stupid, not because the world is simple. Because it isn’t. They just lack the ability to comprehend it.
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Any sales lost in the US as a result of the tariffs pushing prices up too far will have to be recouped from International sales. If US parent company/brand sees 20% loss in sales they'll make it up by having raised wholesale to International distros. The world will pay for the tariffs so "the Board" still makes bank.
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Yeah right.
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Stupid people always make the world seem so simple. But it’s because they’re stupid, not because the world is simple. Because it isn’t. They just lack the ability to comprehend it.
That's a very simple take
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It’s also a stupid take. But still stands.
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Any sales lost in the US as a result of the tariffs pushing prices up too far will have to be recouped from International sales. If US parent company/brand sees 20% loss in sales they'll make it up by having raised wholesale to International distros. The world will pay for the tariffs so "the Board" still makes bank.
The US buys more boards than any other country, probably combined. For anything imported, we will pay with price increases, specially for some of the US based brands (Independent, Thunder, etc). The smaller companies that import will either go out of business or have to increase prices. The bigger companies will likely be okay, but will raise prices.
The rest of the world doesn't have the same amount of disposable income as the US. If we can't afford increased prices, they can afford it even less.
At the very basic level of thinking, these manufacturers would move operations to the United States. However, that's not something that happens over night. It will take several years (if they even go that route). Building out new facilities, getting out of contracts with manufacturers overseas, etc is not simple and takes time.
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I wonder how many people are actually willing to pay more for goods and services to make sure an American makes decent money. I question this for a few reasons:
1. Macro: Dollar General, Walmart, and Amazon are all known to treat their low level laborers like shit. Does this stop anyone from shopping there? Not many. All three continue to do very well among consumers. Dollar General and Walmart being conservative favorites.
2. Social Science: People are poor predictors of their own behavior. Asking people "What would you do in x scenario?" is awful research, the better questions is, "What did you do in x scenario?" We would all say that we wouldn't shock someone to death because they answered a question wrong, but Milgram showed us that most of us would.
3. Poor Sampling: Much of SLAP isn't always a fan of paying more to support skateboarding, something we've all based our lives around: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=130377.0 and has already complained about the cost of boards https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=126940.0
4. Anecdotal: I've tried convincing family members who complain about their working conditions or those lucky enough to have a union job to support companies that are unionized or treat their workers well, none of them give a shit. I repeat what my poli sci prof taught me,"We have two votes in America, our actual vote and our money. " and then add on, "If you want better working conditions shop at places that treat workers well and ignore the places that don't" and they shrug it off. Low prices is all that matters to them.
While I think there is a better moral story around this potential Trumpflation than around the post-pandemic inflation, "We're suffering for other Americans and to make our country strong" vs "restarting factories and supply chains takes time AND lots of people are trying to post-pandemic spend all at the same time", I don't think many will actually give a shit about others. I don't think we are moving into a post-individualist America that embraces communal values. It is like the people who say "spending money on Ukraine is wrong that money could got to help Americans" and then say, "Fuck government housing, fuck socialized medicine, fuck all that communist Marxist shit." They don't want to help Americans, they just want an excuse to not fight against a country that they don't understand. And I certainly don't think Canadians, Europeans, Africans, etc. give a fuck about American jobs nor do I think "Made in America" symbolizes quality like it did 70 years ago.
I can't stress potential Trumpflation enough as tariff exceptions will be made, companies had to be preparing for this, and companies might quietly eat the costs temporarily to get big tax breaks and get weaker worker safety laws.
Damn, rich people do really have all the votes!
Regular people struggling to make ends meet really only have the one forced choice between the two given parties who are both financed by the rich…
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I will begrudgingly pay Half Cab prices for Vans Slip-Ons in a year or two from now, but hopefully my Black Friday hauls will prevent me from buying shit until 2026.
Take advantage of those Cyber Monday deals, if you can.
The only times I’ve seen price drops that were not on past-season goods was when companies priced their goods so high, they were barely moving any. Marshall dropped the prices of all their amps in at least USA and Magnatone had a 5-watt amp that switched pricing from $1299 to $1799 to $1499.
Autozone and other companies have already stated that they’ll increase prices and pass the expenses onto the consumers. I can already see FOX News blaming Biden.
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Let’s be real. Taking wood from Canada and shipping it to China to be turned into skateboard decks to be sold in USA/EU/etc is bad enough.
Worse is the fact that the skateboard industry is founded on glorifying the destruction of said resource hungry artefacts in a grotesque frenzy that leaves bricks and mortar and flesh and bone mutilated.
Skateboarding is a consumerist fire that ought to be extinguished.
100%
I hope all the dudes that say golf is a waste of land and water reads this bit
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Stupid people always make the world seem so simple. But it’s because they’re stupid, not because the world is simple. Because it isn’t. They just lack the ability to comprehend it.
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It's not as insane to make skateboards in America as you think, they use a lot of the same technology that is used in plywood style furniture making, theres probably plenty of those mfg places that need steady business. Supernaut did their own boards for a while and I'm pretty sure that was at a furniture factory in northern California, Gangenmi did Vehicle boards out of his family's furniture manufacturer. Anyone remember Taylor-Dykema boards? they did a lot of peoples wood and I randomly googled them one day and they did tons of MFG for other word related products. Prime still does boards in California it think? Also if you remember Schmitt said all the industry got their uncut blanks from water ski companies in the 80s, and it worked well cuz those companies were slow in the winter. Of course idk if anyone even water skies anymore truthfully and all of that manufacturing might be outsourced overseas by now. American skateboard mfging is possible, I don't actually think it's going to happen but it can.
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
All the maple is imported from Canada. Try again.
This is the real point. I live in Quebec, it's our (& Ontario's) maple in every board. We already pay to have it manufactured in the US/MX then shipped back to us. Boards are about to get way more expensive.
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The prices will still go up even if production is here because of labor costs
All the maple is imported from Canada. Try again.
This is the real point. I live in Quebec, it's our (& Ontario's) maple in every board. We already pay to have it manufactured in the US/MX then shipped back to us. Boards are about to get way more expensive.
According to tactics the boards they use are BBS but the description on site says Wisconsin maple. So unless trees are being shipped to Canada for processing, I don’t see why a US factory would need to import from Canada if BBS isn’t.
Also US can already produce price/quality competitive boards. Wouldn’t they continue to do that if they aren’t importing wood. I think the only deck component that isn’t made here is transfer sheets
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It's entirely possible the 100% Canadian Maple paradigm is no longer the case. It was a selling point for decades. Colder winters= slower growing, stronger maples. Makes sense some US states have good wood that way. Been curious.
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It's entirely possible the 100% Canadian Maple paradigm is no longer the case. It was a selling point for decades. Colder winters= slower growing, stronger maples. Makes sense some US states have good wood that way. Been curious.
I’ve seen plenty of “North American maple” and “Great Lakes region” in descriptions for decks and printshops
There’s lot border area where the tree can grow.
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I’d pass on that Tennessee maple construction though
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Be nice if Chapman took advantage to come back. Ps. I’m down to smuggle trucks and wheels.
Also dragons done. No one’s paying through the nose for those
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Any sales lost in the US as a result of the tariffs pushing prices up too far will have to be recouped from International sales. If US parent company/brand sees 20% loss in sales they'll make it up by having raised wholesale to International distros. The world will pay for the tariffs so "the Board" still makes bank.
I’m sure they gonna raise prices, wait 4 or 8 years and see what the future brings. No way industries are gonna invest billions to move productions back to US right when the tariffs hit. It’s not that easy to just „move“.
There’s a reason shit is kinda dirt cheap and it’s the abuse of wealth inequality aka globalization. Some dude in Asia is ok with doing hard work for a couple bucks a day. A dude in the US definitely won’t. Especially if you export the millions who might do it for 10-15 bucks an hour. That’s still like 50-100x cost just for workforce.
So you go back to pre-globalized times where you better make sure that clothes you bought 3 years ago gonna last you another seven. Because it’s gonna cost you like a monthly salary to get new stuff and not like 5 bucks for a shirt made in Bangladesh.
That’s like the extreme scenario. I don’t think Donald will go trough with his radical shit. His team will have to stop him because it’s not gonna work in the real world.
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Who’s gonna be the first to go on the nineclub and regurgitate the “just build a shop in LA and let the homeless press boards” idea suggested on page one because that is funny as hell. Would definitely have worked as a scene in Idiocracy/BOS.
Free max b
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Brace yourself. Dancer will become incredible expensive (more than it is today), if Denmark don't give Greenland to the US. Trump threatening us with high tariffs and military force if we don't give our territory to the US ;D
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Bringing this back because
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/jan/31/donald-trump-latest-news-politics-live-canada-mexico-tariffs
It's about to go to shit
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Do not see these tariffs being applied to Canada. Imports from Canada are cheap, reliable and the infrastructure-logistics have been in place for decades. The skate industry will unintentionally benefit, from some multinational corporation stepping in and being like wtf, stop this madness.
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buy up your decks now
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For once I don’t feel like a complete asshole for my skatehoarding. Im gtg for life at this juncture.
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This is fucked
If you skate girl g052 decks they are $25 on Tgm deal if the day rn
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Real should reissue the hanging klansmen
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https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/decks-cid-90?Start=1&SortBy=PriceL&Brand=Show%20All%20Brands&Size=Show%20All%20Sizes (https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/decks-cid-90?Start=1&SortBy=PriceL&Brand=Show%20All%20Brands&Size=Show%20All%20Sizes)
$40-$50 decks over at Cowtown
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Do not see these tariffs being applied to Canada. Imports from Canada are cheap, reliable and the infrastructure-logistics have been in place for decades. The skate industry will unintentionally benefit, from some multinational corporation stepping in and being like wtf, stop this madness.
Are you not reading the news? They’re placing a 25% Tariff on Mexico and Canada with 10% to China. This will fuck the skate industry so bad if it goes down.
I am not.
No doubt tariffs have the potential to fuck things up. But they also make room for bartering.
Also though the skate industry isn't going to see much of an effect. We did this shit with Trump already when his shit response to covid caused lumber prices and inflation to skyrocket and stay there practically. The industry did not die. Largery in part cause folks stopped bitching about 70 dollar decks almost immediately. The problem with skateboarding is the consumer. Regardless of what they charge for this bullshit they will buy it and continue to do so. If decks go to 80/90 bucks people still gonna buy em. They could do that now no tariffs and people would still buy em.
I'm not saying that tariffs don't have the potential to fuck up life for us temporarily but in all the media doom posting they don't mention that they could also benefit of it us.
There's always this focus on the American economy and American industries with this shit. But the idea that Mexico or Canada is gonna find a trade partner as large as America overnight is odd to me. These exports to American are ingrained in their own economies. One of mexicos biggest export is automobiles and heavy equipment that for the most part are made entirely in accordance to regulations in America. You can't just ship those cars and machines elsewhere without completely reforming and retooling your manufacturing industry. This gives America leverage.
If the Canadian lumber relies heavily on America. Specifically the building of houses out of wood. Something alot of European and even central American countries don't do. They use concrete and bricks and other building materials primarily. Again there is leverage in our favor there. Canandian Automobiles factories the same.
It's not as simple as the media makes it out to be. Regardless of where you fall on the political aisle. Trump is crazy and no doubt fucking things up. But you can't fall into the doom inducing shit just yet. Its to nuanced and complicated an issue.
On one hand you have a guy who just says shit to say it. But like on the other you a have media that refuse to tell you that these tariffs could just as quickly help the economy and existing trade deals in multiple ways. Be it by bartering current agreements with these countries. Or by putting more reliance into industry and commodities domestically.
Idk not a trump guy and am scared regardless but it's just not as simple as you'd think or at least what most media is leading you onto beleive.
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Decks cost $50 when I started skating in '97. In that time a 55¢ candy bar now costs $3.79. Gas was $1.09 when I got my license. I really don't give a fuck if decks cost more, and am surprised they don't already. I have a job and am going to buy skateboards no matter what. Maybe instead I should spend my time worrying about shit I have no control over.
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"The media is lying to you, I assume. I don't know actually know because I'm not reading or watching any of it, but I still have a strong opinion on what the media is telling you.
Tariffs aren't bad. History and others are all lying to you." ::)
There are bits of truth in here, but the reductionism is amazing.
Board prices went up in during covid, but the skate industry, was also seeing a huge boom from people having free time again. Post-covid, sales have dropped and shops have too much product because many people are back in the office and at school and they don't have free time anymore. And, American's savings accounts have dwindled over the past few years.
https://www.depositaccounts.com/blog/households-savings-study.html#:~:text=The%20average%20household%20savings%20account%20balance%20in%202023%20was%20%2454%2C150,average%20savings%20account%20balances%20decrease.
"The media is only paying the attention to the American market in this... I mean, I'd guess, I don't know cause once again, I've already said, I am not reading or watching anything. I'm just making shit up."
I can say as a dual citizen between the US and Canada there is a lot of talk about how this affects all parties involved.
https://www.cfr.org/article/what-trumps-trade-war-would-mean-nine-charts
I've always been pro-American manufacturing--although, that sentiment has weakened as I'm annoyed people my age made zero effort to prepare for the world they were told was coming and then try to make it my problem--and on-shoring could re-define the economy. I'm not sure it will be better, it will just be different. It will adjust who are the winners, who are the losers, and who lives in polluted cancer allies. This will likely mean people will have to pay more for less stuff. Americans doing more with less, is not something Trump's Dixie Cup/Me generation understands, but is excited to force upon all of us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Alley
The idea that this will go through with zero pain to Americans is stupid. Considering Musk and Trump have boners for the guy who lowered inflation at the cost of increasing poverty in Argentina, they don't give a shit about immediate costs to Americans. More expensive housing, loss of automotive jobs, and so on aren't their concern. Returning to a moment when America was rebuilding shattered Europe, is the goal. Despite the fact, Europe doesn't need our goods, they need us to consume. And, Trump's tariffs last time around didn't increase jobs overall. They increased in one sector, but had a greater decrease in other sectors. This is a net loss.
https://econofact.org/factbrief/did-the-trump-tariffs-increase-us-manufacturing-jobs
And, yea, you can make an argument that it is better to pay higher prices to have more manufacturing in America. Australia did this until consumers wanted color TVs. They paid double for electronics for the sake of keeping manufacturing jobs in Australia. Was that better or worse? Depends. How much do Americans want to sacrifice for other Americans? Also, we need to remember technology has improved dramatically since the 1970s, it takes far fewer workers to produce much more. And, do we have the people to fill the on-shore jobs? America's drug problems doesn't make it easy to recruit nor are all manufacturing jobs high paying "low skill" jobs.
Finally, "This could be great. It is a negotiation tactic." Yea, there is nothing like alienating all of our allies and making us an unreliable trade partner. Brilliant. Mexico, Canada, and others can't turn on a dime and adjust their economies as they've spent decades integrating into ours, but they can certainly develop ties with other nations and look away from the "isolationist" and belligerent USA. They can tell us to go fuck ourselves next time we ask to imprison a Chinese executive, to increase tariffs on China, or re-write their laws for our benefit. China went to Colombia the day after Trump's nonsense against them and said, "We love you and we won't do this to do you." And other nations have been saying, "Please remove your military bases from our land. We're done with your bullshit" for many years.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3296517/chinese-envoy-colombia-promotes-bilateral-ties-bogota-clashes-washington
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2024/06/chinas-overseas-bases-arent-big-threatyet-rand/397310/
I wasn't a fan of off-shoring and I wasn't thrilled when Dwindle went to China and JT went to Mexico for manufacturing, but there is a difference between allowing prices to rise over time and forcing sharp increases down American business' and consumers' throats. And, to think increasing the costs of timber, oil, car parts, etc. overnight won't affect other American's jobs or fucking over our closest ally won't matter is beyond dumb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KxlzHmkHm0
In that time a 55¢ candy bar now costs $3.79.
@Rosstradahmus lol, shut up.
Snickers are 3 for 3$ at Walgreens and 1.29 at Walmart.
https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/snickers-chocolate-candy-bars/ID=prod6162902-product?gQT=1
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Snickers-Full-Size-Candy-Chocolate-Bar-1-86-oz-Bar/14189114667?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101313041&gQT=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1J3VrxnM0
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In that time a 55¢ candy bar now costs $3.79.
@Rosstradahmus lol, shut up.
Snickers are 3 for 3$ at Walgreens and 1.29 at Walmart.
https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/snickers-chocolate-candy-bars/ID=prod6162902-product?gQT=1
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Snickers-Full-Size-Candy-Chocolate-Bar-1-86-oz-Bar/14189114667?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=101313041&gQT=1
At a Maverick, 7-11, Circle K, Valero, any gas station in Colorado. I don't care if you found some special deals from mega stores online. Way to miss the point dipshit.
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Do not see these tariffs being applied to Canada. Imports from Canada are cheap, reliable and the infrastructure-logistics have been in place for decades. The skate industry will unintentionally benefit, from some multinational corporation stepping in and being like wtf, stop this madness.
Are you not reading the news? They’re placing a 25% Tariff on Mexico and Canada with 10% to China. This will fuck the skate industry so bad if it goes down.
I am not.
No doubt tariffs have the potential to fuck things up. But they also make room for bartering.
Also though the skate industry isn't going to see much of an effect. We did this shit with Trump already when his shit response to covid caused lumber prices and inflation to skyrocket and stay there practically. The industry did not die. Largery in part cause folks stopped bitching about 70 dollar decks almost immediately. The problem with skateboarding is the consumer. Regardless of what they charge for this bullshit they will buy it and continue to do so. If decks go to 80/90 bucks people still gonna buy em. They could do that now no tariffs and people would still buy em.
I'm not saying that tariffs don't have the potential to fuck up life for us temporarily but in all the media doom posting they don't mention that they could also benefit of it us.
There's always this focus on the American economy and American industries with this shit. But the idea that Mexico or Canada is gonna find a trade partner as large as America overnight is odd to me. These exports to American are ingrained in their own economies. One of mexicos biggest export is automobiles and heavy equipment that for the most part are made entirely in accordance to regulations in America. You can't just ship those cars and machines elsewhere without completely reforming and retooling your manufacturing industry. This gives America leverage.
If the Canadian lumber relies heavily on America. Specifically the building of houses out of wood. Something alot of European and even central American countries don't do. They use concrete and bricks and other building materials primarily. Again there is leverage in our favor there. Canandian Automobiles factories the same.
It's not as simple as the media makes it out to be. Regardless of where you fall on the political aisle. Trump is crazy and no doubt fucking things up. But you can't fall into the doom inducing shit just yet. Its to nuanced and complicated an issue.
On one hand you have a guy who just says shit to say it. But like on the other you a have media that refuse to tell you that these tariffs could just as quickly help the economy and existing trade deals in multiple ways. Be it by bartering current agreements with these countries. Or by putting more reliance into industry and commodities domestically.
Idk not a trump guy and am scared regardless but it's just not as simple as you'd think or at least what most media is leading you onto beleive.
In Canada, we already pay 80/90usd for boards. Baker and FA decks are legit $98usd. If the prices go up even more, skaters who don't make a ton of money are gonna feel it. Especially in cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, etc. where the cost of living has been insane for a long time.
On the other hand, a low Canadian dollar (exchange rate already dropping) actually incentivizes US companies to do business in Canada because the US dollar goes further here. Maybe that will help us, idk I'm not an economist.
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At a Maverick, 7-11, Circle K, Valero, any gas station in Colorado. I don't care if you found some special deals from mega stores online. Way to miss the point dipshit.
You made your point quite clearly: You are unreliable source of information, you are irresponsible with money, and you make disingenuous arguments.
I don't want to get sucked into this as I'm sure you'll move the goal post, so I'm going to click ignore on your profile, use evidence to show you are off base again, and move on.
Let's start with the first place I think of when I think of Colorado, King Soopers. I know it isn't a gas station, where you will pay the absolute highest price for stuff like this, but it is a grocery store, you know, where most people purchase their food ::):
$1.59 for a Snickers
https://www.kingsoopers.com/p/snickers-football-milk-chocolate-candy-bar-full-size-bar/0004000042431
Mavericks, Colorado via DoorDash
$2.59 for a Snickers
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
Valero, Colorado via DoorDash
$1.99 Snickers via DoorDash
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
7-11 Delivery Colorado
$3.29 King size Snickers
King size Snickers is nearly double regular size, so this means you are paying roughly $1.70 per regular amount of Snickers
https://www.7now.com/search-results/snickers-king-size-3.29oz
I'm sure you'll figure out a way to claim a $1.59, $1.99, $2.59, $3.29 (for a King size bar) are equal to $3.79, but you'll still be wrong and since you are on ignore, I won't have to suffer through your mental gymnastics.
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Do not see these tariffs being applied to Canada. Imports from Canada are cheap, reliable and the infrastructure-logistics have been in place for decades. The skate industry will unintentionally benefit, from some multinational corporation stepping in and being like wtf, stop this madness.
Are you not reading the news? They’re placing a 25% Tariff on Mexico and Canada with 10% to China. This will fuck the skate industry so bad if it goes down.
Dude I was so fucking wrong. I thought these tariffs would be an empty threat, I stand corrected. I am in complete shock.
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At a Maverick, 7-11, Circle K, Valero, any gas station in Colorado. I don't care if you found some special deals from mega stores online. Way to miss the point dipshit.
You made your point quite clearly: You are unreliable source of information, you are irresponsible with money, and you make disingenuous arguments.
I don't want to get sucked into this as I'm sure you'll move the goal post, so I'm going to click ignore on your profile, use evidence to show you are off base again, and move on.
Let's start with the first place I think of when I think of Colorado, King Soopers. I know it isn't a gas station, where you will pay the absolute highest price for stuff like this, but it is a grocery store, you know, where most people purchase their food ::):
$1.59 for a Snickers
https://www.kingsoopers.com/p/snickers-football-milk-chocolate-candy-bar-full-size-bar/0004000042431
Mavericks, Colorado via DoorDash
$2.59 for a Snickers
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
Valero, Colorado via DoorDash
$1.99 Snickers via DoorDash
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
7-11 Delivery Colorado
$3.29 King size Snickers
King size Snickers is nearly double regular size, so this means you are paying roughly $1.70 per regular amount of Snickers
https://www.7now.com/search-results/snickers-king-size-3.29oz
I'm sure you'll figure out a way to claim a $1.59, $1.99, $2.59, $3.29 (for a King size bar) are equal to $3.79, but you'll still be wrong and since you are on ignore, I won't have to suffer through your mental gymnastics.
You are the only one putting yourself through "mental gymnastics". I used to skate to the corner store and get a King Sized candy bar for 55¢. The point is everything else has doubled in price but skateboards. You are a level of douche that I can't even imagine how much the people you know dread your annoying presence.
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"lol, what I meant was king sized bars, not regular bars. Glad no one saw my goal post moving on the horizon. None of my statements are predictable. I meant king sized bars were 50 cents in 1997, which is likely to incorrect as well. "
I really don't understand why being honest is so difficult for you. I really don't understand the point of making shit up. I get that your original post was simply to sound like a tough guy and dismiss the concerns of anyone who might not want to see their disposable income shrink. I get that you want to argue that our government won't listen to our concerns, because maybe you agree with the tariffs (I'm not sure), but I don't really get why you picked such stupid examples and then lied about them. Did you think we'd be blinded by nostalgia?
You are likely incorrect about king size candy bars costing 50 cents in 1997 (especially at an overpriced convenience store) and you were proven wrong that if we pick any gas station in Colorado, we will see them being sold for $3.79 today.
You also likely lying about the cost of gas. If you were born in 1989, this means you probably started driving in 2005. The lowest avg daily price for regular gasoline in 2005 in Colorado was $1.75 and the highest avg price was $3.04.
The average price today is $2.88/$2.95. Roughly 2 decades later, you are paying less than you did in in Sept of 2005.
Fuck, the lowest avg price of regular gas in Colorado since you turned 16, was $1.49 during the Great Recession. Unless you started driving at age 12, you are very likely lying. I don't see any state in the US that had an avg monthly cost for regular gas anywhere near $1.09 in 2005. Why? What was the fucking point? Why make shit up? Why lie about things we can look up? If you want to have a real discussion cool, if you want to be disingenuous and make shit up, there is no point.
https://data.thespectrum.com/gas-price/colorado/SCO/2008-02-04/
https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CO
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/mmfr/sep05/rpmfuel.htm
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Goddamn! I love when Lurp gets all LPQ w/ the facts: shit gets spicy & I can’t lie… I looove the flavor.
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HLC is starting a woodshop in Texas. I think they make Flip and Skate Mafia. Maybe a couple others.
They’re not BBS, but they don’t look terrible. Only checked it out and stood on it. Didn’t skate it, so not sure how the quality really is.
I’m sure they’ll still be expensive, but they may not be as pricey as some other brands.
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tariffs on canada are such a bad look. It's the douchebag picking on his own friend at a party to look tough, and for what? To scare the west into turning a blind eye when the u.s. starts circling the wagons and defaulting on chinese debt? Countries suck, and every neo who thinks they have the moral high ground until the dice start shaking out wrong.
sorry yall, just venting a little
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Decks cost $50 when I started skating in '97. In that time a 55¢ candy bar now costs $3.79. Gas was $1.09 when I got my license. I really don't give a fuck if decks cost more, and am surprised they don't already. I have a job and am going to buy skateboards no matter what. Maybe instead I should spend my time worrying about shit I have no control over.
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Do not see these tariffs being applied to Canada. Imports from Canada are cheap, reliable and the infrastructure-logistics have been in place for decades. The skate industry will unintentionally benefit, from some multinational corporation stepping in and being like wtf, stop this madness.
Are you not reading the news? They’re placing a 25% Tariff on Mexico and Canada with 10% to China. This will fuck the skate industry so bad if it goes down.
I am not.
No doubt tariffs have the potential to fuck things up. But they also make room for bartering.
Also though the skate industry isn't going to see much of an effect. We did this shit with Trump already when his shit response to covid caused lumber prices and inflation to skyrocket and stay there practically. The industry did not die. Largery in part cause folks stopped bitching about 70 dollar decks almost immediately. The problem with skateboarding is the consumer. Regardless of what they charge for this bullshit they will buy it and continue to do so. If decks go to 80/90 bucks people still gonna buy em. They could do that now no tariffs and people would still buy em.
I'm not saying that tariffs don't have the potential to fuck up life for us temporarily but in all the media doom posting they don't mention that they could also benefit of it us.
There's always this focus on the American economy and American industries with this shit. But the idea that Mexico or Canada is gonna find a trade partner as large as America overnight is odd to me. These exports to American are ingrained in their own economies. One of mexicos biggest export is automobiles and heavy equipment that for the most part are made entirely in accordance to regulations in America. You can't just ship those cars and machines elsewhere without completely reforming and retooling your manufacturing industry. This gives America leverage.
If the Canadian lumber relies heavily on America. Specifically the building of houses out of wood. Something alot of European and even central American countries don't do. They use concrete and bricks and other building materials primarily. Again there is leverage in our favor there. Canandian Automobiles factories the same.
It's not as simple as the media makes it out to be. Regardless of where you fall on the political aisle. Trump is crazy and no doubt fucking things up. But you can't fall into the doom inducing shit just yet. Its to nuanced and complicated an issue.
On one hand you have a guy who just says shit to say it. But like on the other you a have media that refuse to tell you that these tariffs could just as quickly help the economy and existing trade deals in multiple ways. Be it by bartering current agreements with these countries. Or by putting more reliance into industry and commodities domestically.
Idk not a trump guy and am scared regardless but it's just not as simple as you'd think or at least what most media is leading you onto beleive.
Imagine typing all this when you coulda just said "Im a fucking clueless idiot"
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Boy are we about to find out. Hope you all have a stash of wallboards or hand me downs. Skateboarding is about to not be a priority for many.
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Has anyone read the tariffs or understand that Mexican wood shops buy directly from Canada and not through a U.S. vendor? The tariffs extend to specific goods and last I checked skateboard decks are a type of consumer good not listed. Other prices will go up for sure, no doubt, but it's not every single thing produced even if an American brand owns it.
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tariffs on canada are such a bad look. It's the douchebag picking on his own friend at a party to look tough, and for what? To scare the west into turning a blind eye when the u.s. starts circling the wagons and defaulting on chinese debt? Countries suck, and every neo who thinks they have the moral high ground until the dice start shaking out wrong.
sorry yall, just venting a little
Don’t apologize, preach it!
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It would actually present an opportunity or two to open woodshops in the US to support people here and avoid tariffs. It would be cool to open one and provide jobs for the homeless making boards. Getting people back on their feet and knowing the conditions are probably better for the workers than they would be in the factories in Mexico and China.
A large portion of hardrock maple comes from Canada.
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Sucks for us Canadians as the wood comes from here, goes to Mexico to get turned into boards and then is shipped directly back to the Canadian distributors to sell to Canada.
Technically this shouldn't affect our board prices but for sure prices are going to get jacked up across the board (no pun intended).
Ah well I'm going to get to work on a board pressing factory in my garage in the middle of the winter and start recruiting unhoused people to make them.
We have a massive skateboard manufacturing company here in Canada. It’s called ControlMFG. They supply a big portion of the skateboard industry. Their shop is insane.
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lot of the wood is from US now for some reason, still great lakes region
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lot of the wood is from US now for some reason, still great lakes region
If it’s anything like forestry in the Pacific Northwest, it’s probably just that upper Great Lakes maple is readying for harvest now.
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At a Maverick, 7-11, Circle K, Valero, any gas station in Colorado. I don't care if you found some special deals from mega stores online. Way to miss the point dipshit.
You made your point quite clearly: You are unreliable source of information, you are irresponsible with money, and you make disingenuous arguments.
I don't want to get sucked into this as I'm sure you'll move the goal post, so I'm going to click ignore on your profile, use evidence to show you are off base again, and move on.
Let's start with the first place I think of when I think of Colorado, King Soopers. I know it isn't a gas station, where you will pay the absolute highest price for stuff like this, but it is a grocery store, you know, where most people purchase their food ::):
$1.59 for a Snickers
https://www.kingsoopers.com/p/snickers-football-milk-chocolate-candy-bar-full-size-bar/0004000042431
Mavericks, Colorado via DoorDash
$2.59 for a Snickers
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
Valero, Colorado via DoorDash
$1.99 Snickers via DoorDash
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
7-11 Delivery Colorado
$3.29 King size Snickers
King size Snickers is nearly double regular size, so this means you are paying roughly $1.70 per regular amount of Snickers
https://www.7now.com/search-results/snickers-king-size-3.29oz
I'm sure you'll figure out a way to claim a $1.59, $1.99, $2.59, $3.29 (for a King size bar) are equal to $3.79, but you'll still be wrong and since you are on ignore, I won't have to suffer through your mental gymnastics.
You are the only one putting yourself through "mental gymnastics". I used to skate to the corner store and get a King Sized candy bar for 55¢. The point is everything else has doubled in price but skateboards. You are a level of douche that I can't even imagine how much the people you know dread your annoying presence.
You live in one of the wealthiest, most Caucasian conservative cities in Colorado, nobody here gives a fuck if you’ll continue to buy boards and ride them once a month at your local skatepark. Since you appear to be incredibly self absorbed and arrogant let me explain, the entirety of the industry will feel this and many skaters even up to a sponsored level will be negatively affected by this, not you and your double parked Tesla buying plan B boards from CCS. Idiot.
I'm a check to check carpet installer with wife and four year old who drives a 01 Maxima with 196,000 miles. I buy shop decks Try again buddy. I definitely rode a skateboard and bought 55¢ Butterfingers king size when I was a kid and bought gas for $1.09 to $1.29 when I was sixteen in 2005 and dipshit can Google stuff all day and it still doesn't change the real facts.
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Definitely some funny zingers and good amount of facts, but please stop fighting each other, times are heavy enough.
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Definitely some funny zingers and good amount of facts, but please stop fighting each other, times are heavy enough.
This.
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At a Maverick, 7-11, Circle K, Valero, any gas station in Colorado. I don't care if you found some special deals from mega stores online. Way to miss the point dipshit.
You made your point quite clearly: You are unreliable source of information, you are irresponsible with money, and you make disingenuous arguments.
I don't want to get sucked into this as I'm sure you'll move the goal post, so I'm going to click ignore on your profile, use evidence to show you are off base again, and move on.
Let's start with the first place I think of when I think of Colorado, King Soopers. I know it isn't a gas station, where you will pay the absolute highest price for stuff like this, but it is a grocery store, you know, where most people purchase their food ::):
$1.59 for a Snickers
https://www.kingsoopers.com/p/snickers-football-milk-chocolate-candy-bar-full-size-bar/0004000042431
Mavericks, Colorado via DoorDash
$2.59 for a Snickers
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
Valero, Colorado via DoorDash
$1.99 Snickers via DoorDash
https://www.doordash.com/store/maverik---adventure%E2%80%99s-first-stop-clifton-2308084/?dd_device_id=dx_0247ee3c4f5b47a1bb00bdf17077bfb0
7-11 Delivery Colorado
$3.29 King size Snickers
King size Snickers is nearly double regular size, so this means you are paying roughly $1.70 per regular amount of Snickers
https://www.7now.com/search-results/snickers-king-size-3.29oz
I'm sure you'll figure out a way to claim a $1.59, $1.99, $2.59, $3.29 (for a King size bar) are equal to $3.79, but you'll still be wrong and since you are on ignore, I won't have to suffer through your mental gymnastics.
You are the only one putting yourself through "mental gymnastics". I used to skate to the corner store and get a King Sized candy bar for 55¢. The point is everything else has doubled in price but skateboards. You are a level of douche that I can't even imagine how much the people you know dread your annoying presence.
You live in one of the wealthiest, most Caucasian conservative cities in Colorado, nobody here gives a fuck if you’ll continue to buy boards and ride them once a month at your local skatepark. Since you appear to be incredibly self absorbed and arrogant let me explain, the entirety of the industry will feel this and many skaters even up to a sponsored level will be negatively affected by this, not you and your double parked Tesla buying plan B boards from CCS. Idiot.
I'm a check to check carpet installer with wife and four year old who drives a 01 Maxima with 196,000 miles. I buy shop decks Try again buddy. I definitely rode a skateboard and bought 55¢ Butterfingers king size when I was a kid and bought gas for $1.09 to $1.29 when I was sixteen in 2005 and dipshit can Google stuff all day and it still doesn't change the real facts.
All I picture is this dude angrily typing this with a mouth full of butterfinger chunks
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four year old who drives a 01 Maxima with 196,000 miles
this kid sounds pretty badass
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Im gonna put the USA on my official list of uncool countries yo
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Sucks for us Canadians as the wood comes from here, goes to Mexico to get turned into boards and then is shipped directly back to the Canadian distributors to sell to Canada.
Technically this shouldn't affect our board prices but for sure prices are going to get jacked up across the board (no pun intended).
Ah well I'm going to get to work on a board pressing factory in my garage in the middle of the winter and start recruiting unhoused people to make them.
too bad their boards are mediocre at best. when i ordered from them for the shop i worked at, the sales rep i had was super challenging to deal with. they would often substitute board sizes and not fulfill the quantities of sizes you ordered, aswell their boards tend to not have a fully routered top ply which gave them a cheap feel.
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If the Covid supply chain issues taught me anything, even if the all the tariffs are eventually lifted someday, the prices will not go back down. Companies will keep charging the tariff price and pocket the savings.
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I just said this in the "industry" thread, but if the tariff bullshit continues unabated, one of the first thing I think the skate industry will see is the collapse of these zombie brands which seem to have been teetering for decades and stayed alive only through ridiculously low interest rates and dirt cheap third world labor. If you work for Sole Tech, it's probably time to start polishing up your resume.
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I ran a small company during the last go around with Trump, and our seasonal shipment arrive during the maybe 60 days that Trump had slapped a 25% tariff on imports from China. We could maybe have re-negotiated pricing with every wholesale account basically a week before delivery, but felt like that would be in breach of our promise to deliver goods at a specific price point.
The 25% we paid out of pocket to land the goods was basically our entire profit margin for the year. It was one of the many reasons I got out of the business all together. Not just what damage the tariffs caused, but you can't reasonably run a business with that kind of uncertainty.
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I am sad because I really like going to the US and I think a lot of the people are really rad there. I am hoping for the most part everything just stays how it was. But I could see some of these events domino effecting into people not liking eachother etc. going to pay for something at the store in USA and I have to show canadian ID or soemthing and then some goof starts chirping me is not something I want to experience personally. It is kinda making me not want to go there now :(
Last night I saw some dumb ass shit people were booing the US National Anthem during the Toronto Raptors game... I dont agree with that cause not everyone in USA wants this to happen its not the average persons fault.
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What happened to NAFTA Or whatever it was called? I remember that shit when I was a kid in Canada.
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I am sad because I really like going to the US and I think a lot of the people are really rad there. I am hoping for the most part everything just stays how it was. But I could see some of these events domino effecting into people not liking eachother etc. going to pay for something at the store in USA and I have to show canadian ID or soemthing and then some goof starts chirping me is not something I want to experience personally. It is kinda making me not want to go there now :(
Last night I saw some dumb ass shit people were booing the US National Anthem during the Toronto Raptors game... I dont agree with that cause not everyone in USA wants this to happen its not the average persons fault.
They're booing the country not the players
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What happened to NAFTA Or whatever it was called? I remember that shit when I was a kid in Canada.
It was replaced by a new free trade agreement in 2020. 25% tariffs will render this moot and fuck the economies of the US, Mexico and Canada, but I think the US would suffer the most in the long run.
Anyway, tariffs on Mexican imports have been suspended for a month and I assume the tariffs on Canadian goods will be too. Donny Deals does it again
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What happened to NAFTA Or whatever it was called? I remember that shit when I was a kid in Canada.
It was replaced by a new free trade agreement in 2020. 25% tariffs will render this moot and fuck the economies of the US, Mexico and Canada, but I think the US would suffer the most in the long run.
Anyway, tariffs on Mexican imports have been suspended for a month and I assume the tariffs on Canadian goods will be too. Donny Deals does it again
cant stand this kind of thinking that displaces lives of so many people
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I am sad because I really like going to the US and I think a lot of the people are really rad there. I am hoping for the most part everything just stays how it was. But I could see some of these events domino effecting into people not liking eachother etc. going to pay for something at the store in USA and I have to show canadian ID or soemthing and then some goof starts chirping me is not something I want to experience personally. It is kinda making me not want to go there now :(
Last night I saw some dumb ass shit people were booing the US National Anthem during the Toronto Raptors game... I dont agree with that cause not everyone in USA wants this to happen its not the average persons fault.
They're booing the country not the players
i know... i just feel like someone could somehow turn that against ME somehow still! i hope not. I could just see someone saying "Canadians were booing the American national anthem!!!!" in a country where burning the flag is against the law. I am a very paranoid and sensitive person. I really want to go back to USA I think it is such an amazing place for so many reasons other than politcally...
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as an american, i'm totally fine with canadians booing us right now. we fucking deserve it
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
Canada is facing a psycho that wants to absorb their country to take their resources, and you can’t understand why they would boo? Booing the anthem isn’t a dig at the soldiers that have sacrificed everything for freedom. It’s showing how displeased they are with Donald Trump and his billionaire cronies.
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National anthems are one of the most unnecessary things in sports and now is not the time to be a bitch.
/edit well other than the Olympics I guess
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
Fuck this guy!
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as an american, i'm totally fine with canadians booing us right now. we fucking deserve it
also extra props for ripping up musk's contract
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
Anthems, flags, nationalism, chest-beating, are hollow and meaningless. Use your brain and your heart...
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
Daily reminder that the National Anthem is not a military anthem and has literally nothing to do with our armed forces. People always want to hide behind soldiers to justify their jingoism
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
"you're"
No wonder Trump got elected....
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
As a retired & 100% Disabled Navy veteran, people that say you are "being disrespectful to service members" have zero clue what ALL service members think...
IMHO I served my country so people have the freedom & privilege to exercise their rights and speak their minds in this country, regardless of what people think are "right or wrong"
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
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All my homies hate the national anthem
Had to...
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Anybody doing anything besides standing up during a national anthem is a fuckin bum.
You have all the time in the world to voice your complaints during the day, but being disrespectful towards the men and women who have fought for your right to go to the game or even boo in the first place is fuckin lame.
You get no points in life for that, and your a coward.
As a retired & 100% Disabled Navy veteran, people that say you are "being disrespectful to service members" have zero clue what ALL service members think...
IMHO I served my country so people have the freedom & privilege to exercise their rights and speak their minds in this country, regardless of what people think are "right or wrong"
would GNAR if I could
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some people itt should stick to posting on facebook. im sure the Skaters Over 30/40/50 fb groups would love to talk about how SL/PSL/BATB should have Mike V sing the national anthem before they start.
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Foreigners should respect my anthem.
1. lol, no. Booing another nation's anthem isn't polite, but far less shitty than engaging in economic warfare against our closet ally. You know the country that purchases more of our goods/services than anyone else and has worked with us, supported us, and fought along side us for many decades.
2. I'll give you an out here. Using real sources (i.e. books published by respectable publishers or peer-reviewed journal articles or the Smithsonian, etc.), I'm curious, if can you explain the history of why Woodrow Wilson chose the Star Spangled Banner as the national anthem.
Yes, we all know that the song was inspired by events in the War of 1812 and the surprise victory of American forces at Fort McHenry. Yes, we know that it was played in the Navy when they raised and lowered the flag. And, yes we know it was played during the 7th inning at a baseball game a player decided to salute the flag and inspired others to salute it. All well and good, but...
Please help us understand why we chose this as our national anthem opposed to America the Beautiful, My Country, 'Tis of Thee (which was the de facto national anthem prior to Wilson's action and 71st Congress putting the Star Spangled Banner Act on Hoover's desk), or This Land is Your Land. Help me understand what Woodrow Wilson and later the 71st Congress expressed as the meaning of the song and why they chose this song to replace My Country 'Tis of Thee. Instead of making your feelings facts, please help us understand exactly what those who made this our anthem meant it to represent.
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The fuck does a national anthem have to do with skateboarding? Grow the fuck up
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Looks like Mexico is cooperating and the tariffs are paused. Seems like a win unless you enjoy fentanyl. Now you cry babys can bitch about something else. Funny how the same people who support raising corporate tax rates and minimum wage are now worried about passing on the price increase to the consumers.
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Looks like Mexico is cooperating and the tariffs are paused. Seems like a win unless you enjoy fentanyl. Now you cry babys can bitch about something else. Funny how the same people who support raising corporate tax rates and minimum wage are now worried about passing on the price increase to the consumers.
ah, looks like we got a macho man over here. are you gonna bring up "woke" now... is the woke in the room with you
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keep being a crybaby! *did not actually read the fine print of what he voted for and has zero care about anything related to it*
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some people itt should stick to posting on facebook. im sure the Skaters Over 30/40/50 fb groups would love to talk about how SL/PSL/BATB should have Mike V sing the national anthem before they start.
I don’t think I could recover from Mike V doin it to the anthem. It would be like that episode of southpark where cartman seees the buttface people and can’t laugh anymore because he reached his humor threshold
um… doin what you say?
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More like Rosstradumbass am I right guys
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Might as well just use a recording of the US anthem during games in Canada until all of this horseshit is over. I felt bad for the lady in the wheelchair singing, but at the same time I would definitely join in if I was there.
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keep being a crybaby! *did not actually read the fine print of what he voted for and has zero care about anything related to it*
I didn't vote for anything. I hate all politicians equally.
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Looks like Mexico is cooperating and the tariffs are paused. Seems like a win unless you enjoy fentanyl. Now you cry babys can bitch about something else. Funny how the same people who support raising corporate tax rates and minimum wage are now worried about passing on the price increase to the consumers.
Yeah another Trump W
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Looks like Mexico is cooperating and the tariffs are paused. Seems like a win unless you enjoy fentanyl. Now you cry babys can bitch about something else. Funny how the same people who support raising corporate tax rates and minimum wage are now worried about passing on the price increase to the consumers.
"cooperating"
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keep being a crybaby! *did not actually read the fine print of what he voted for and has zero care about anything related to it*
I didn't vote for anything. I hate all politicians equally.
Epic take bro
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keep being a crybaby! *did not actually read the fine print of what he voted for and has zero care about anything related to it*
I didn't vote for anything. I hate all politicians equally.
Epic take bro
I would suggest at least a correlation should exist between the amount of hate you feel for a particular politician and the size of the pile of bodies they have chosen to build their moral high ground on.
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I mentioned this before, but anyone interested in why these tariffs were threatened then dropped should look at what has just happened:
Western countries + China are threatened with illegal (according to international trade law) tariffs.
At the last moment the threat against western countries is dropped, but not against China.
Western countries are so relieved that the bully has stopped picking on them, that they turn a blind eye to the fact that the same unfair practices continue to be applied against China.
In the aftermath, we now see Panama (who the u.s. has also threatened) backing out of trade deals with China. Look to see the same thing happen among European countries.
All the border/immigration, fentanyl talk is completely irrelevant to what is going on, which is that the u.s. is trying to soft default on its trillion dollar trade-deficit to China. To those who are fine with this, I'd just ask that you understand what this says very clearly about capitalism and its social models: these models do not follow the rule of law or have any moral underpinning, they are just adaptive tools used to further the consolidation of wealth.
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I mentioned this before, but anyone interested in why these tariffs were threatened then dropped should look at what has just happened:
Western countries + China are threatened with illegal (according to international trade law) tariffs.
At the last moment the threat against western countries is dropped, but not against China.
Western countries are so relieved that the bully has stopped picking on them, that they turn a blind eye to the fact that the same unfair practices continue to be applied against China.
In the aftermath, we now see Panama (who the u.s. has also threatened) backing out of trade deals with China. Look to see the same thing happen among European countries.
All the border/immigration, fentanyl talk is completely irrelevant to what is going on, which is that the u.s. is trying to soft default on its trillion dollar trade-deficit to China. To those who are fine with this, I'd just ask that you understand what this says very clearly about capitalism and its social models: these models do not follow the rule of law or have any moral underpinning, they are just adaptive tools used to further the consolidation of wealth.
THIS.
you hurt your loved neighbors, the people and the government - for no reason.
And you the people in US will pay the bill.
How your govourment act the last weeks with Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Panama and upmost Gaza is morally wrong.
You are standing on the wrong site. You shoud protest - we dont want to hurt Canada, we dont want to hurt Mexico,
we dont want to steal land from people in Greenland or Gaza.
If you let the government hurt and steal from people around you - you are next.
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So with the new 25% tariff trump is putting on all Al and Steel products, I guess truck prices are gonna go up in America?
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The best way to predict the future is looking at the past:
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/did-trumps-tariffs-benefit-american-workers-and-national-security/
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2021-05-07/trump-disastrous-steel-tariffs
https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/steel-profits-gain-steel-users-pay-under-trumps
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So with the new 25% tariff trump is putting on all Al and Steel products, I guess truck prices are gonna go up in America?
yep
sidewalk distro sent an email to US shops that prices of boards will increase too (made in china)
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So with the new 25% tariff trump is putting on all Al and Steel products, I guess truck prices are gonna go up in America?
sidewalk distro sent an email to US shops that prices of boards will increase too (made in china)
let's see that email.
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imagine all of the savings on ordering stuff from the states if we got annexed 8)
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Best stock up now.
Get ready for $100 decks, $80 trucks, $60 wheels.
25% Tariff on goods from Mexico and Canada. An Extra 10% on China.
You thought the industry was doing it tough before, now it's cooked.
Welcome to europe with 80 € wheels
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Anyone complaining about Canada crowds booing can get fucked. They aren’t booing the players or the vets.
They are booing your president who is trying to actively cripple your closest ally’s economy and threatening to annex them. They are also sending a message to all you dipshits who think any of this is good or normal.
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I was booing the vets.
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i bought some thunders and new bushings. it's been like three years since i've had new trucks and my bushings cracked a long time ago so now is as good a time as any
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I got a question. So all the products already in the us or does stores just change those prices to match the product that arrived post order 66
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I got a question. So all the products already in the us or does stores just change those prices to match the product that arrived post order 66
I'm no expert, but tariffs are extracted at the border, so anything in the US currently is not subject to tariffs, but anything coming in will be.
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I got a question. So all the products already in the us or does stores just change those prices to match the product that arrived post order 66
I know at least a distributor that does this on the regular
Marking up cheaper old stock when new more expensive stock gets delivered.
New Thrasher tees are more expensive, let's make the whole years old stock more expensive
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I got a question. So all the products already in the us or does stores just change those prices to match the product that arrived post order 66
I know at least a distributor that does this on the regular
Marking up cheaper old stock when new more expensive stock gets delivered.
New Thrasher tees are more expensive, let's make the whole years old stock more expensive
I was thinking this same thing. Once prices are greenlighted to go up, they more often than not go up across the board and don’t come down
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So, the tariffs will go in effect on March 4.
25% for Mexico and Canada
35% for China
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/02/27/trump-says-mexico-canada-tariffs-will-start-march-4-plus-additional-10percent-on-china.html
I hate everyone who complained about how groceries and consumer goods were too high, but have nothing to say when the idiot they elected is directly to blame for increasing prices. They will probably just pin this on Biden, though.
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I'm curious to see the price rise of the US products and if they can become more competitive. Grind King, Tracker, Madrid, and all the creative wheel brands. And the USA wood shops could switch to USA veneer
Is there a future world where a 5boro/tracker/speedlab setup doesn't sound insane?
The thing is I do think that brands not effected as much will still raise their prices, because why leave money on the table
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I guess we are about to find out now. 100$ decks coming your way soon
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In Canada, Control Woodshop is the only major manufacturer of skateboard decks remaining that I am aware of
I would say from watching Ben De Gros and from other peoples opinions, while I wouldn't say they have a BAD rep, they don't necessarily have a good rep.
IF it is possible to improve quality at this manufacturer to the standard that companies like DLX, Baker, etc. would press their Canadian boards there. would that actually be worth while? does that even make any sense?
I was wondering why this shop does not try to take more of the market in the first place because of it being located in Canada, it has access to all the primo trees. I have brought this up before and not really sure why this is the case.
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In Canada, Control Woodshop is the only major manufacturer of skateboard decks remaining that I am aware of
I would say from watching Ben De Gros and from other peoples opinions, while I wouldn't say they have a BAD rep, they don't necessarily have a good rep.
IF it is possible to improve quality at this manufacturer to the standard that companies like DLX, Baker, etc. would press their Canadian boards there. would that actually be worth while? does that even make any sense?
I was wondering why this shop does not try to take more of the market in the first place because of it being located in Canada, it has access to all the primo trees. I have brought this up before and not really sure why this is the case.
they're boards have been better lately compared to years ago, studio boards skate good
that being said, don't think they're still on par with BBS. they must know, but must think their boards are better for whatever reason.
from my understanding of the tariffs doesn't make sense for usa brands to work with em anyways
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I'd love to give a Canadian perspective in this thread, but the echo chamber overlords will just ban me as they have 100's of others who held counter narratives.
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I'd love to give a Canadian perspective in this thread, but the echo chamber overlords will just ban me as they have 100's of others who held counter narratives.
u r so brave
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I'd love to give a Canadian perspective in this thread, but the echo chamber overlords will just ban me as they have 100's of others who held counter narratives.
Pretty sure there’s plenty of Canadians here that haven’t gotten banned, but I’m interested in what counter narrative/perspective you’re alluding to. Roll the dice player. How shitty is your opinion?
drop the perspective
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In Canada, Control Woodshop is the only major manufacturer of skateboard decks remaining that I am aware of
I would say from watching Ben De Gros and from other peoples opinions, while I wouldn't say they have a BAD rep, they don't necessarily have a good rep.
IF it is possible to improve quality at this manufacturer to the standard that companies like DLX, Baker, etc. would press their Canadian boards there. would that actually be worth while? does that even make any sense?
I was wondering why this shop does not try to take more of the market in the first place because of it being located in Canada, it has access to all the primo trees. I have brought this up before and not really sure why this is the case.
they're boards have been better lately compared to years ago, studio boards skate good
that being said, don't think they're still on par with BBS. they must know, but must think their boards are better for whatever reason.
from my understanding of the tariffs doesn't make sense for usa brands to work with em anyways
canadian distributions will probably be paying licensing fees to the brands and just getting the boards made either in canada, eu or china.
if they don’t do a licensing deal with the brand, the brand will get their boards made in china or the eu and drop ship them from the manufacturer straight to the distro.
several brands already do that in canada to save on import fees/shipping.
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That's standard practice for all the international brands... Does this mean the return of canada only pro model?
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I hope everyone stocked up, we're about to get absolutely fucked on "liberation day" tomorrow...
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Cheaper to just start your own brand at this point. Sorry Manny, sorry Bagley.
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So skate one prices won’t change. Or are the chemicals they use to create the wheels out haus
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Congrats to America on Liberation Day for finally being liberated from empathy, freedom & financial stability!
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Prepare to be liberated
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Funny they're calling it liberation day when all this is gonna do is trap our collective nuts in a vice
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salik > no, it a rebil
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Can I request lube before being liberated?
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So skate one prices won’t change. Or are the chemicals they use to create the wheels out haus
Some Skate One products will likely see a smaller increase, especially wheels and US made decks but nothing will remain unchanged in any industry. Even if they get their chemicals from US suppliers, at least some of that it is coming from China and the price increase will be passed along to them. Inks, dyes, paints, heat transfers, packaging material etc are most likely not all of that is sourced from US manufacturers. The Maple for the decks they press is coming from Canada etc...
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I know Vans aren't the most loved shoes on Slap but this increase if going to hit them hard. Are any other brands made in Vietnam?
"Some of the worst-hit trading partners were in Asia, including 49% for Cambodia, 46% for Vietnam and 44% for military-ruled Myanmar, recently hit by a devastating earthquake."
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Nike and Adidas are also made in Vietnam. And many other clothing goods.
Genius move in applying the highest tariffs on the countries the USA consumer buys the most from.
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Funny they're calling it liberation day when all this is gonna do is trap our collective nuts in a vice
Liberating you from your money
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Hey all, I am struggling to understand what the tariffs will mean for prices of skate goods in the short and midterm. I am coming from the perspective of a EU citizen here. Maybe someone who has expertise in economy is willing to clarify some of the points below?
It seems that tariffs are associated with products going into the US. If europe or countries in asia are now adding counter-tariffs then anything imported from the US will also get more pricey. What if an US company (e.g. dlx) has their boards manufactured in asia and these will be imported to the EU. Would tariffs still apply and products get more expensive for EU citizens? Do tariffs only apply for products associated with an US company or will they also affect EU trade with other continents where no US company is involved?
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Hey all, I am struggling to understand what the tariffs will mean for prices of skate goods in the short and midterm. I am coming from the perspective of a EU citizen here. Maybe someone who has expertise in economy is willing to clarify some of the points below?
It seems that tariffs are associated with products going into the US. If europe or countries in asia are now adding counter-tariffs then anything imported from the US will also get more pricey. What if an US company (e.g. dlx) has their boards manufactured in asia and these will be imported to the EU. Would tariffs still apply and products get more expensive for EU citizens? Do tariffs only apply for products associated with an US company or will they also affect EU trade with other continents where no US company is involved?
the way I see it there will be a slow down on buying in the US due to the higher price in the US at retail and these losses will have to be made up by the rest of the globe. most, if not all, brands will raise prices globally across the board to try minimise the hike on prices in the US.
IE. a Shoe in US was retailing at $80 and they will now have to be $160 in US due to the tarriffs but if they raise W/S prices globally then they will be $120 EVERYWHERE. The world will pay more to keep US retail prices down.
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Hey all, I am struggling to understand what the tariffs will mean for prices of skate goods in the short and midterm. I am coming from the perspective of a EU citizen here. Maybe someone who has expertise in economy is willing to clarify some of the points below?
It seems that tariffs are associated with products going into the US. If europe or countries in asia are now adding counter-tariffs then anything imported from the US will also get more pricey. What if an US company (e.g. dlx) has their boards manufactured in asia and these will be imported to the EU. Would tariffs still apply and products get more expensive for EU citizens? Do tariffs only apply for products associated with an US company or will they also affect EU trade with other continents where no US company is involved?
the way I see it there will be a slow down on buying in the US due to the higher price in the US at retail and these losses will have to be made up by the rest of the globe. most, if not all, brands will raise prices globally across the board to try minimise the hike on prices in the US.
IE. a Shoe in US was retailing at $80 and they will now have to be $160 in US due to the tarriffs but if they raise W/S prices globally then they will be $120 EVERYWHERE. The world will pay more to keep US retail prices down.
The last two times the US imposed tariffs like this were in 1828 and 1930 and it's obviously a different world now. That said, they both failed spectacularly and essentially stifled buying of everything in the US and raised prices here on domestic and imported goods while exports across the globe floundered. Worldwide prices did go up but not much.
As for what the current tariffs will do to skate goods, everything in America is going to get more expensive. It will happen very quickly in some markets like energy and automotive and probably a little slower in markets like musical instruments and skateboards. Nobody really knows what is going to happen worldwide but many people feel that people will simply be buying less goods from US based companies and that prices will go up everywhere like you say.
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Time to cop some shoe goo. Footwear prices are about to skyrocket.
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yeah them asics that you're pushing are already like 200 euros, shit was skyrocketing before the tariffs were even a thought
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Hey all, I am struggling to understand what the tariffs will mean for prices of skate goods in the short and midterm. I am coming from the perspective of a EU citizen here. Maybe someone who has expertise in economy is willing to clarify some of the points below?
It seems that tariffs are associated with products going into the US. If europe or countries in asia are now adding counter-tariffs then anything imported from the US will also get more pricey. What if an US company (e.g. dlx) has their boards manufactured in asia and these will be imported to the EU. Would tariffs still apply and products get more expensive for EU citizens? Do tariffs only apply for products associated with an US company or will they also affect EU trade with other continents where no US company is involved?
Tariffs are primarily associated with country of origin so there may be a silver lining for the EU. In your example, if deluxe is pressing boards in China and has them shipped directly to a distributor in the EU, it doesn’t matter that deluxe is based in the US, it’s a Chinese good shipping to EU, so only current tariffs the EU has levied onto Chinese wood products applies. There’s even an argument that if deluxe imported the boards into the US and then shipped to the EU, they wouldn’t be subject to the retaliatory US/EU tariffs (but they wouldn’t be subject to the higher prices since deluxe paid tariffs on importing the boards).
Theres a high likelihood that US companies with a lot of manufactured product will now try to redirect it away from the US and that could even benefit Canadian and EU markets. Let’s say Last Resort has a container of shoes in Vietnam they were going to bring into the US; at 46% additional duty, that doesn’t make sense anymore, so that product may get shipped to other distributors and drive up supply and *maybe* prices go down slightly to help move it, or countries want to attract more trade partners while the US steps on its own dick and makes some trade deals. Who knows
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Do I now buy those half cabs I've been eyeing for $60? Please advise....
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Do I now buy those half cabs I've been eyeing for $60? Please advise....
As VFCorp stock is down 23% today you might as well. Who knows if they'll exist in a few weeks time...
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Price of shoes are about to blow up. Time to stock on shoes.
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Do I now buy those half cabs I've been eyeing for $60? Please advise....
SMASH THAT BUY BUTTON BROTHER
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Price of shoes are about to blow up. Time to stock on shoes.
Luckily, my shoe room is filled to the brim, yo! Was starting to second guess my doomsday stockpile, but now things are looking up, in that regard. As for the future of the United States of America, well, we shall see...
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THE CHINESE CENTURY HAS ARRIVED
PRESIDENT XI PLEASE LIBERATE THE AMERIKKKAN SKATERS FROM THIS NIGHTMARE
(Can we please get a belt and road initiative for building marble plazas all over the US?)
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I’m building a bloard press.
Also I’m thinking about starting a pals fest. For all of us to meet up at to guide skating into oblivion
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Hey all, I am struggling to understand what the tariffs will mean for prices of skate goods in the short and midterm. I am coming from the perspective of a EU citizen here. Maybe someone who has expertise in economy is willing to clarify some of the points below?
It seems that tariffs are associated with products going into the US. If europe or countries in asia are now adding counter-tariffs then anything imported from the US will also get more pricey. What if an US company (e.g. dlx) has their boards manufactured in asia and these will be imported to the EU. Would tariffs still apply and products get more expensive for EU citizens? Do tariffs only apply for products associated with an US company or will they also affect EU trade with other continents where no US company is involved?
Tariffs are primarily associated with country of origin so there may be a silver lining for the EU. In your example, if deluxe is pressing boards in China and has them shipped directly to a distributor in the EU, it doesn’t matter that deluxe is based in the US, it’s a Chinese good shipping to EU, so only current tariffs the EU has levied onto Chinese wood products applies. There’s even an argument that if deluxe imported the boards into the US and then shipped to the EU, they wouldn’t be subject to the retaliatory US/EU tariffs (but they wouldn’t be subject to the higher prices since deluxe paid tariffs on importing the boards).
Theres a high likelihood that US companies with a lot of manufactured product will now try to redirect it away from the US and that could even benefit Canadian and EU markets. Let’s say Last Resort has a container of shoes in Vietnam they were going to bring into the US; at 46% additional duty, that doesn’t make sense anymore, so that product may get shipped to other distributors and drive up supply and *maybe* prices go down slightly to help move it, or countries want to attract more trade partners while the US steps on its own dick and makes some trade deals. Who knows
Thank you, exactly what I was looking for. Also shout out Ghost Face and Osage
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One person happy.
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One person happy.
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So canadian lumber is currently exempt from tariffs under the terms of the USMCA but idk where prime gets its glue or heat transfers from. If they don't already have some US based manufacturing the costs to get it up and running will be prohibitive
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So canadian lumber is currently exempt from tariffs under the terms of the USMCA but idk where prime gets its glue or heat transfers from. If they don't already have some US based manufacturing the costs to get it up and running will be prohibitive
And if they do see an influx of order they'll have to hire more people and that means.........prices go up.
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So canadian lumber is currently exempt from tariffs under the terms of the USMCA but idk where prime gets its glue or heat transfers from. If they don't already have some US based manufacturing the costs to get it up and running will be prohibitive
lot of woodshops use usa lumber, glue is likely from the states. transfers are probably china but i believe prime screen prints in house?
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So canadian lumber is currently exempt from tariffs under the terms of the USMCA but idk where prime gets its glue or heat transfers from. If they don't already have some US based manufacturing the costs to get it up and running will be prohibitive
lot of woodshops use usa lumber, glue is likely from the states. transfers are probably china but i believe prime screen prints in house?
my thing with the prime post, is what about the other Woodshops who have been doing production in the USA and competing the whole time? Why could they make it work, and not prime?
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its joever
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Prime already charges an arm and a leg for products.
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One person happy.
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Except the export market for his decks just got destroyed.
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So canadian lumber is currently exempt from tariffs under the terms of the USMCA but idk where prime gets its glue or heat transfers from. If they don't already have some US based manufacturing the costs to get it up and running will be prohibitive
lot of woodshops use usa lumber, glue is likely from the states. transfers are probably china but i believe prime screen prints in house?
Titebond is made in America and either is or was used by many manufacturers. There are Chinese knock offs of it that I'm told are basically the same thing that are currently cheaper and used in a lot of industies, including skateboard. Some of the base chemicals as well as the packaging etc... for Titebone comes from overseas so there will be a price increase there at least somewhat.
As for lumber, almost all of the Maple used in skateboard decks is from Canada. They will typically list it as "North American Maple" on goods sold in the U.S. and as "American Maple" in goods sold overseas. This "American Maple" comes from Canada.
Other things like transfers, stickers, shrink wrap etc... are all coming from China. Not to mention tooling, drill and router bits, dust collection filters, sandpaper etc....
There will literally be no industry in America that won't be effected.
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Rich people activities.
With these prices, a snowboard leash for skateboards could be the gimmick accessory of the year.
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Nike already showing signs they’re going to do massive guts across the company. These tariffs will affect them deeply. No way this doesn’t do significant damage to the skate program
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One person happy.
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Well if they're happy, I'm happy too!
Also,
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https://shop-eat-surf-outdoor.com/news/theres-no-way-this-can-last-surf-and-outdoor-industry-on-trump-tariffs/
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So it looks like any stock or inventory that's not on route to the US already is being hastily diverted or offered to other countries at discounted prices. Projected orders are being cut and ranges reduced.
We're seeing this in surf, cycling and now skateboarding.
In most countries the exchange rate has gone to shit so any discounts is canceled by the exchange rate. It's not looking go so far.
Hope it turns around soon.
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The Prime dude is a Trump dipshit. Doesn’t realise all the extra shit that tariffs will drive the cost up on.
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The Prime dude is a Trump dipshit. Doesn’t realise all the extra shit that tariffs will drive the cost up on.
Rejoicing because the only way their business could get traction is through a series of catastrophic events for their competitors is such a MAGA vibe. “Yes! My neighbors house caught on fire and now my lawn is the greenest” type shit.
Also noted in the Two Felons thread, the fatter of the felons has appeared in photos at Prime helping with the screen printing and whatnot. Do not support these guys.
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If these tariffs hold, skateboarding as we know it is effectively over. There is no way an industry that survives off of the expectation that you consume and replace a deck and pair of shoes once a month (give or take) will make any kind of sense if prices for these goods triple or quadruple in price.
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If these tariffs hold, skateboarding as we know it is effectively over. There is no way an industry that survives off of the expectation that you consume and replace a deck and pair of shoes once a month (give or take) will make any kind of sense if prices for these goods triple or quadruple in price.
Skateboarding will be the same. The Skateboard industry will change.
I don't see how anything will triple or quadruple in price. I also assume some things will rise fast and others will lag behind but I'm not smart enough to know which.
The current Tariffs on the big skate gear producing countries are:
China: 106% - This will effectively double the price of wheels and trucks, some decks, grip tape, hardware, bushings, and bearings. Also plenty of shoes.
Mexico: 25% - Most of us are riding decks made in Mexico. They'll go up 25%
Canada 25% - Canadian made decks will go up 25%. US made decks will go up some amount due to the maple all coming from Canada
Vietnam - 46% - Tons of shoes are manufactured in Vietnam. They're going up!
US: - Even companies that produce their stuff in the US are using raw materials from other countries so the price will be going up here as well. Bones wheels are made in California but I bet the raw materials come from overseas. As does packaging, shrink wrap, inks, dyes, paint, transfers etc..... Canadian Maple....
I think in the very short term, things will look the same. Shoes will start going up soon. I think smaller companies like Royal will just go out of business. Long established companies like Indy/Thunder/DLX/Bones etc.... will be able to weather the storm but will cut back on r&d and new products. They will also have to eat some of the tariff money but obviously not the bulk of it. I'm personally excited to try the Thunder T2 trucks later in the spring but if they're gonna be like $100 for a pair, that will be a very tough sell. I know I won't be buying them. People will reluctantly pay $75 for a pair of Indys when they need new ones but no one is going to pay $120 for a pair of Grind Kings.
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
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Not to mention that for many companies it just won't be viable to ship to the US at any price. I expect to see some products just vanish entirely from stores
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
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And unfortunately another way companies will try to keep prices down and/or continue to sell product at crazy high prices will be to layoff employees. They will cut back on team riders, drop kids from flow, sponsor less events etc....
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Chine just announced 84% tariff on imports from the USA. This is going to get out of hand.
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
fair enough
They might apply some shrinkflation...
I would not be surprised a new skinny wheel trend being pushed on us
Less material, lighter
Same price
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If you can still afford to buy a skateboard let alone food every week with these tariffs congratulations.
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he just paused the tariffs again for 90 days, lol. this dumb motherfucker
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he just paused the tariffs again for 90 days, lol. this dumb motherfucker
But kept the blanket 10% on all countries and increased China's tariffs to 125%. Bye bye skate industry
Thanks President flip flop
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he just paused the tariffs again for 90 days, lol. this dumb motherfucker
Except on China, where he claims he is raising them.
Not to mention the 10% global tariffs that he already put in place that he didn't pull.
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
fair enough
They might apply some shrinkflation...
I would not be surprised a new skinny wheel trend being pushed on us
Less material, lighter
Same price
I’ll pay for the price increase as long as I can still get Radial Fulls or Conical Fulls, because the idea of Tablet Slims pisses me off.
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as a newly minted macroeconomics expert like everyone else in this thread im just chiming in to say its too late to panic and its time to kill your families and yourselves
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
fair enough
They might apply some shrinkflation...
I would not be surprised a new skinny wheel trend being pushed on us
Less material, lighter
Same price
One time, probably 14 years ago I had these Cardiels, and they were a strange shape I hadn't seen at the time, but this was a time that I was not hyperfocused on specific products and their characteristics. But anyway, they were really slim, like a tablet but they had every characteristic of a conical and it was the first time I became aware of the benefits of a wheel of that shape and how skinny they were. This was when everyone was still skating classics, around 2011.
Long winded way of saying I would be down for skinny squareish wheels
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
fair enough
They might apply some shrinkflation...
I would not be surprised a new skinny wheel trend being pushed on us
Less material, lighter
Same price
One time, probably 14 years ago I had these Cardiels, and they were a strange shape I hadn't seen at the time, but this was a time that I was not hyperfocused on specific products and their characteristics. But anyway, they were really slim, like a tablet but they had every characteristic of a conical and it was the first time I became aware of the benefits of a wheel of that shape and how skinny they were. This was when everyone was still skating classics, around 2011.
Long winded way of saying I would be down for skinny squareish wheels
Radial Slims. They've been requested in the Spitfire F4 thread consistently for like 5 years now. Yet DLX gives us some weird lock-in/classic shape that literally no one asked for
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https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2025/05/01/how-will-tarrifs-affect-the-skate-industry/ (https://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2025/05/01/how-will-tarrifs-affect-the-skate-industry/)
There’s been a lot of speculation about the exact effects of the latest tariff (145%) on Chinese goods.
And while we’re sure every at-home economist likely has a few valid points, we wanted to hear directly from the people actually making and selling skateboards about how these ongoing tariff negotiations might affect the skate industry.
Over the past two weeks, we reached out to various shops, manufacturers, and distributors on the front lines. These ten got back to us. None of them had to take time out of their hectic schedules to answer our questions—especially with such transparency—so we want to show them extra love for pulling back the curtain and filling us in.
Here’s the question we asked all of them:
Are the tariffs, specifically the Chinese tariff, affecting your business at all? How do you think they will affect the skate industry if they sustain?
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Considering tariffs will be applied on wholesale price, you can expect a bigger increase on MSRP and for the end customer.
And I'm pretty sure no company is going to "eat some of the tariff money".
Historically companies do eat some of the tariff money when tariffs go into effect. No much but some. Indy can go to their manufacturer and say we can't sell these unless you cut our price by 2%. They can do the same with distributers and then lower their profit margin slightly and keep their MAP down a little. It won't be much. I know for certain that they are better at business than I am but a $74.95 pair of Stage 11's looks a lot better than an $82.95 pair.
fair enough
They might apply some shrinkflation...
I would not be surprised a new skinny wheel trend being pushed on us
Less material, lighter
Same price
One time, probably 14 years ago I had these Cardiels, and they were a strange shape I hadn't seen at the time, but this was a time that I was not hyperfocused on specific products and their characteristics. But anyway, they were really slim, like a tablet but they had every characteristic of a conical and it was the first time I became aware of the benefits of a wheel of that shape and how skinny they were. This was when everyone was still skating classics, around 2011.
Long winded way of saying I would be down for skinny squareish wheels
I used to skate the David Gravette STF Bone's exclusively before F4's came out. An F4 with that wheel shape (skinny and square) would be sick.
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BBS dude is a kook, clearly
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Wonder why thunder and venture won't be affected by the tariffs. Are they still made in the US?
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Wonder why thunder and venture won't be affected by the tariffs. Are they still made in the US?
Mexico. Not as gnarly as the tariffs on Chinese manufactured trucks like Ace, Indy and others...
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I heard one of the shoe brands Bluetile mentions in the article is Ipath, which sucks. Such bad timing for that brand to finally come back.
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There’s been a lot of speculation about the exact effects of the latest tariff (145%) on Chinese goods.
And while we’re sure every at-home economist likely has a few valid points, we wanted to hear directly from the people actually making and selling skateboards about how these ongoing tariff negotiations might affect the skate industry.
Over the past two weeks, we reached out to various shops, manufacturers, and distributors on the front lines. These ten got back to us. None of them had to take time out of their hectic schedules to answer our questions—especially with such transparency—so we want to show them extra love for pulling back the curtain and filling us in.
Here’s the question we asked all of them:
Are the tariffs, specifically the Chinese tariff, affecting your business at all? How do you think they will affect the skate industry if they sustain?
Ruben Garcia.. Old homie. Didnt know he worked for HLC.
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BBS dude is a kook, clearly
Man, I just read that and dude clearly is a big Trumper if he honestly believes what he just said. Ugh, I love their decks and love DLX but that quick interview made me never want to buy anything they make again.
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Man, I just read that and dude clearly is a big Trumper if he honestly believes what he just said. Ugh, I love their decks and love DLX but that quick interview made me never want to buy anything they make again.
^ That.
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BBS dude is a kook, clearly
I was trying to figure out if maybe it was just poorly worded
“so in my specific case, what Trump wants to do with bringing manufacturing back, it’s going to work”
But it does sound bad. BBS on maga? 😬
That could be a hasty conclusion you're making there... After all many decent right-minded people would love to see a return to domestic manufacturing... albeit without the Trump insanity...
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For sure. And hard to believe DLX would support a MAGA that hard, if that was indeed the case...
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For sure. And hard to believe DLX would support a MAGA that hard, if that was indeed the case...
Maybe they just found out like the rest of us.
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For sure. And hard to believe DLX would support a MAGA that hard, if that was indeed the case...
Maybe they just found out like the rest of us.
Doubtful to be honest. BBS and DLX have had a super close relationship for a long time.
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean he did answer the questions asked. Everyone is going to be opinionated but if you run a business that doesn't source from China then how else would it need to be worded?
It's like asking a vegan if meat prices go up will that affect their spending at a grocery store...
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I’m glad I’m not the only who was rubbed the wrong way by the BBS rep’s comments.
Kind of a bummer as a BBS 8.3 is my jam.
Also, props to Dustin at Rapid for speaking the gospel.
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
If someone minces words, it’s on them.
We don’t exactly live in a time in this very moment where things should be left to interpretation.
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I certainly did not read enough into this to warrant any form of boycott yet.
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Big
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Skateboard manufacturer
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean he did answer the questions asked. Everyone is going to be opinionated but if you run a business that doesn't source from China then how else would it need to be worded?
It's like asking a vegan if meat prices go up will that affect their spending at a grocery store...
Ok, ok. Thanks, I see your point. Hard to isolate anything nowadays with all the insanity. The line of literal truth and opinion is quite blurry nowadays. Open to hearing everyone's thoughts
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y'all might feel better if you mail me all those iced up BBS decks. get going before the USPS is done for.
Might as well throw all your NB# in there for me too, since old Jim Davis goes that way too.
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Dude from BBS definitely lives in Huntington, drives a raptor and has a thin blue line sticker.
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All you guys that want to judge someone because he states the tariffs doesn't hurt his business needs to read this article from 2012 about Grant Burns. He's been against working with China well before Trump. He did the exact opposite of what Trump wants to do with US manufacturing as he moved BBS from California to Mexico.
Again, this man answered a question he was asked plain and simple. He secured himself financially by not having to deal with China since 2004.
https://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/index.htm (https://money.cnn.com/2012/02/03/smallbusiness/us_manufacturing/index.htm)
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Rapid Skateshop keeping it real. I fuck with that shop heavily since they're in my partner's hometown, which is a notoriously Republican leaning place. They just did this big fundraiser for a local woman who runs a little snack cart and got harassed/assaulted by an old white karen.
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
If someone minces words, it’s on them.
We don’t exactly live in a time in this very moment where things should be left to interpretation.
What words did he mince!?!? He said that the trump tariffs work in his favor. He’s in a good position. Those making other products are probably screwed. And the tariffs may not last.
BBS MANUFACTURING
MEXICO
“Tariffs won’t affect our business, because we manufacture in Mexico. And we’re part of the USMCA [A free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the US]. All of our raw materials come from the US, virtually 99% of them. Our wood comes from Wisconsin, our glue comes from Ohio. Our lacquer comes from Southern California. The only thing that comes from outside of the United States of America is the pigment that we use to dye the wood. And, for the most part, it’s the same thing for the trucks and wheels that we produce.
So in my specific case, what Trump wants to do with bringing manufacturing back, it’s going to work. Even though we produce in Mexico, I buy literally 100% of my raw materials from the United States. So, it will bring up employment here. If due to tariffs things become more expensive to make in China, it will improve manufacturing in the United States.
For other brands in the industry, things are going to go up. Certain products more than others. The cheap completes, those will go up in price. Those are 100% made in China. Around 30% of the high end decks [the decks you pick off the wall] are made in China, so some of them will go up. Around 50-60% of trucks are made in China, so some of those brands will go up.
Shoes are going to go up, backpacks are going to go up. T-shirts maybe not as much because I think a lot of them are produced in North America. Apparel, the people that source soft goods are probably struggling quite a bit. But that’s not my world, so I can’t speak for them.
But, I don’t think there’s going to be 145% tariff on China forever. Things will shift.”
– Grant Burns
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
If someone minces words, it’s on them.
We don’t exactly live in a time in this very moment where things should be left to interpretation.
What words did he mince!?!? He said that the trump tariffs work in his favor. He’s in a good position. Those making other products are probably screwed. And the tariffs may not last.
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BBS MANUFACTURING
MEXICO
“Tariffs won’t affect our business, because we manufacture in Mexico. And we’re part of the USMCA [A free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the US]. All of our raw materials come from the US, virtually 99% of them. Our wood comes from Wisconsin, our glue comes from Ohio. Our lacquer comes from Southern California. The only thing that comes from outside of the United States of America is the pigment that we use to dye the wood. And, for the most part, it’s the same thing for the trucks and wheels that we produce.
So in my specific case, what Trump wants to do with bringing manufacturing back, it’s going to work. Even though we produce in Mexico, I buy literally 100% of my raw materials from the United States. So, it will bring up employment here. If due to tariffs things become more expensive to make in China, it will improve manufacturing in the United States.
For other brands in the industry, things are going to go up. Certain products more than others. The cheap completes, those will go up in price. Those are 100% made in China. Around 30% of the high end decks [the decks you pick off the wall] are made in China, so some of them will go up. Around 50-60% of trucks are made in China, so some of those brands will go up.
Shoes are going to go up, backpacks are going to go up. T-shirts maybe not as much because I think a lot of them are produced in North America. Apparel, the people that source soft goods are probably struggling quite a bit. But that’s not my world, so I can’t speak for them.
But, I don’t think there’s going to be 145% tariff on China forever. Things will shift.”
– Grant Burns
I'll gladly take an L, but I'm not seeing a problem. Please point it out to me.
Pretty sure he meant me. Also, we are in a time where this statement isolated is straightforward, but comes with an immense amount of baggage.
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Big
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Boomer
Bull
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@LA Native
No, I was referring to the BBS rep.
Slap Now pretty much got me covered in his take.
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“Grant Smith is the sole owner of BBS. They are registered in San Diego County but do a lot of political donations to Orange County which is HEAVILY Trump. There is a 2012 article where he is quoted about moving his operations to Mexico. He gave the same lip service to US manufacturing but obviously will go where he gets the best tax deal.”
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
If someone minces words, it’s on them.
We don’t exactly live in a time in this very moment where things should be left to interpretation.
What words did he mince!?!? He said that the trump tariffs work in his favor. He’s in a good position. Those making other products are probably screwed. And the tariffs may not last.
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BBS MANUFACTURING
MEXICO
“Tariffs won’t affect our business, because we manufacture in Mexico. And we’re part of the USMCA [A free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the US]. All of our raw materials come from the US, virtually 99% of them. Our wood comes from Wisconsin, our glue comes from Ohio. Our lacquer comes from Southern California. The only thing that comes from outside of the United States of America is the pigment that we use to dye the wood. And, for the most part, it’s the same thing for the trucks and wheels that we produce.
So in my specific case, what Trump wants to do with bringing manufacturing back, it’s going to work. Even though we produce in Mexico, I buy literally 100% of my raw materials from the United States. So, it will bring up employment here. If due to tariffs things become more expensive to make in China, it will improve manufacturing in the United States.
For other brands in the industry, things are going to go up. Certain products more than others. The cheap completes, those will go up in price. Those are 100% made in China. Around 30% of the high end decks [the decks you pick off the wall] are made in China, so some of them will go up. Around 50-60% of trucks are made in China, so some of those brands will go up.
Shoes are going to go up, backpacks are going to go up. T-shirts maybe not as much because I think a lot of them are produced in North America. Apparel, the people that source soft goods are probably struggling quite a bit. But that’s not my world, so I can’t speak for them.
But, I don’t think there’s going to be 145% tariff on China forever. Things will shift.”
– Grant Burns
I'll gladly take an L, but I'm not seeing a problem. Please point it out to me.
Smells like a Trump supporter to me. Always making things just vague enough to leave room for deniability without saying the quiet part out loud. Bunch of absolute pussies.
This is borderline Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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It read very much like "Although it will be really shitty for just about everyone else, it works for me so I'm down"
I mean, I don’t know where you get the “i’m down” interpretation from. He just points out that in his specific case he’s positioned to benefit and that others may be screwed. Which is just a fact
you all are reading too much into it
If someone minces words, it’s on them.
We don’t exactly live in a time in this very moment where things should be left to interpretation.
What words did he mince!?!? He said that the trump tariffs work in his favor. He’s in a good position. Those making other products are probably screwed. And the tariffs may not last.
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BBS MANUFACTURING
MEXICO
“Tariffs won’t affect our business, because we manufacture in Mexico. And we’re part of the USMCA [A free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the US]. All of our raw materials come from the US, virtually 99% of them. Our wood comes from Wisconsin, our glue comes from Ohio. Our lacquer comes from Southern California. The only thing that comes from outside of the United States of America is the pigment that we use to dye the wood. And, for the most part, it’s the same thing for the trucks and wheels that we produce.
So in my specific case, what Trump wants to do with bringing manufacturing back, it’s going to work. Even though we produce in Mexico, I buy literally 100% of my raw materials from the United States. So, it will bring up employment here. If due to tariffs things become more expensive to make in China, it will improve manufacturing in the United States.
For other brands in the industry, things are going to go up. Certain products more than others. The cheap completes, those will go up in price. Those are 100% made in China. Around 30% of the high end decks [the decks you pick off the wall] are made in China, so some of them will go up. Around 50-60% of trucks are made in China, so some of those brands will go up.
Shoes are going to go up, backpacks are going to go up. T-shirts maybe not as much because I think a lot of them are produced in North America. Apparel, the people that source soft goods are probably struggling quite a bit. But that’s not my world, so I can’t speak for them.
But, I don’t think there’s going to be 145% tariff on China forever. Things will shift.”
– Grant Burns
I'll gladly take an L, but I'm not seeing a problem. Please point it out to me.
Smells like a Trump supporter to me. Always making things just vague enough to leave room for deniability without saying the quiet part out loud. Bunch of absolute pussies.
This is borderline Trump Derangement Syndrome.
That’s not a real thing.
I hear it'll be in the DSM-6.
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Imagine still using the term “TDS” after America has fully unmasked itself as a fascist autocratic oligarchy.
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Imagine still using the term “TDS” after America has fully unmasked itself as a fascist autocratic oligarchy.
Yes, unmasked itself.
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I really don’t see how the markets outside of the US will continue to support Amerikan brands in all this. There is no trust on the sitting administration and with added costs the goods coming out of the US will increase, making the brands obsolete. It’s not a bad thing though, all regions need to build their local scenes stronger.
Buy local, support local and fuck MAGA.
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i've been skating locally made decks for the last year and a half and i've been occassionally missing bbs. this article has made it easier for me not to.
shout out rapid skateshop
I really don’t see how the markets outside of the US will continue to support Amerikan brands in all this. There is no trust on the sitting administration and with added costs the goods coming out of the US will increase, making the brands obsolete. It’s not a bad thing though, all regions need to build their local scenes stronger.
Buy local, support local and fuck MAGA.
does anybody here have actual knowledge in tax/tariff laws? i'm not trying to be ironic or anything if it comes across that way, i'm just wondering how's all that gonna go here in europe and pretty much everywhere else outside of the states. so if say a dlx is manufacturing boards in china, if they (as an american company that pays taxes in the US) ship boards from china straight to europe, without them going through the USA - will a shipment like this get hit with the tariffs? would they have to start another company over there to avoid all the US bullshit?
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I really don’t see how the markets outside of the US will continue to support Amerikan brands in all this. There is no trust on the sitting administration and with added costs the goods coming out of the US will increase, making the brands obsolete. It’s not a bad thing though, all regions need to build their local scenes stronger.
Buy local, support local and fuck MAGA.
Outside of America you won't find many skate shops and businesses who are still super stoked on working with your favourite US brands due to the prices, that by the way have been going up steadily over the last few years already, forget life after the new tariffs. Outside of the US most of your "top tier" brands like Hockey, DLX, etc are already so much more expensive than the euro brands that they're just not selling very well any more.
Obvs to say but most of this talk about rising skate prices in the US is old news to the rest of the world. Those recent pieces by QS and Jenkem mostly only dealt with US companies. Ask a skate shop in France what they think of selling FA or AH right now.
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does anybody here have actual knowledge in tax/tariff laws? i'm not trying to be ironic or anything if it comes across that way, i'm just wondering how's all that gonna go here in europe and pretty much everywhere else outside of the states. so if say a dlx is manufacturing boards in china, if they (as an american company that pays taxes in the US) ship boards from china straight to europe, without them going through the USA - will a shipment like this get hit with the tariffs? would they have to start another company over there to avoid all the US bullshit?
My understanding is that there is only a tariff on goods coming into the USA from other countries.
Anything that comes straight from China to AU or EU or anywhere else doesn't have any other associated costs, so is tariff free, in that sense, as well as skipping the middle distribution point at DLX in SF, which I guess is why they set up that line of production to streamline things.
Seems like it is a viable solution anyway - boards get here sooner and board prices are kept down, or at least lower than the comparable BBS boards when looking at wholesale prices.
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sounds like it's about time to give those Control boards another go...
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I mean he did answer the questions asked. Everyone is going to be opinionated but if you run a business that doesn't source from China then how else would it need to be worded?
It's like asking a vegan if meat prices go up will that affect their spending at a grocery store...
Ok, ok. Thanks, I see your point. Hard to isolate anything nowadays with all the insanity. The line of literal truth and opinion is quite blurry nowadays. Open to hearing everyone's thoughts
I think both HLC and BBS are almost in the same position, regardless of how they might come across. Generator the same for that matter, as they get everything from BBS as well.
Bottom line is anyone who has anything that is included in the current deal with made in USA (or very close to it) might not be as worried as others who are going to feel the sting of importing product from elsewhere, especially China if this goes on for much longer and even more so if everything they distribute comes from China too.
Living in Australia, I am just looking in from the outside with all of this, very much open mouthed with my nose pressed up against the glass, so really I can't say a single thing, but I don't believe for a minute that it will not have a flow on effect for us here as well, in terms of prices and other things.
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@roba
there are already and there will be new distribution routes to avoid tariffs
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does anybody here have actual knowledge in tax/tariff laws? i'm not trying to be ironic or anything if it comes across that way, i'm just wondering how's all that gonna go here in europe and pretty much everywhere else outside of the states. so if say a dlx is manufacturing boards in china, if they (as an american company that pays taxes in the US) ship boards from china straight to europe, without them going through the USA - will a shipment like this get hit with the tariffs? would they have to start another company over there to avoid all the US bullshit?
My understanding is that there is only a tariff on goods coming into the USA from other countries.
Anything that comes straight from China to AU or EU or anywhere else doesn't have any other associated costs, so is tariff free, in that sense, as well as skipping the middle distribution point at DLX in SF, which I guess is why they set up that line of production to streamline things.
Seems like it is a viable solution anyway - boards get here sooner and board prices are kept down, or at least lower than the comparable BBS boards when looking at wholesale prices.
There’s ways for US companies to get a large part of the import tariff back when/if they re-export the product again, but that’s way above skate company knowledge so you won’t see that happening.
Generally US brands base their international pricing on US domestic pricing before giving distributors a discount. With this model the pricing will increase globally due to Trump. Brands who already drop ship to say Europe needs enough knowledge to set up an entity in the EU to get cost of goods down. Again way above skate brand knowledge so there’s only a few brands doing this on the hard goods side while apparel and footwear have been doing it for decades.
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HLC is for sure MAGA
BBS...maybe, maybe not
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HLC is for sure MAGA lucky Trump got elected
BBS...maybe, maybe not
They made a ballsy move chosing to manufacture in the US though.
I don't know their views but at least they didn't wrote on paper Trump propaganda like Mr Burns.
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Personally I think it's sick HLC have made moves to try and manufacture in Texas.
Obviously the tariffs are absolute no-logic, Ill advised, crazy person horseshit, but offshoring to China where there are fewer labor regulations and lower workers standards to cut costs is wack too. Especially if the business model is to ship Canadian maple from north america ACROSS THE OCEAN, have them pressed and printed in China, and ship the wood back to North America to be distributed. That is just incredibly wasteful and ridiculous on paper.
Basically what I'm saying is I'd pay more, way more, like $100, for a USA manufactured deck.
Chat, is it possible to be anti Trump but also pro US manufacturing?
Ten or so years ago, the coolest thing ever was Scumco, who bought boards pressed at Pennswood and hand-screened them in PA. I know they eventually moved to different manufacturing, but isn't having boards made like that still a cool possibility?
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I’m interested to see how much smuggling will occur from the northern border into the United States.
How well patrolled is the northern border? Is it just the matter of setting up trebuchet to hurl products over fences?
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HLC is for sure MAGA lucky Trump got elected
BBS...maybe, maybe not
They made a ballsy move chosing to manufacture in the US though.
I don't know their views but at least they didn't wrote on paper Trump propaganda like Mr Burns.
As an American, i read “made in the USA” or whatever HLC reiterated at least 2x in that piece, as a dog whistle at this point. Businesses and manufacturers head to Texas for its politics, low tax rates, and absence of strong labor laws/protections.
@CossRooper
You hit an important point regarding everything behind the origins of offshoring and “free” trade agreements that went down in the 90s.
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The orange doofus just said “the US doesn’t need anything Canada has”. So I guess that’s it for the Canadian hard rock maple. Going to get pricey fast.
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Personally I think it's sick HLC have made moves to try and manufacture in Texas.
Obviously the tariffs are absolute no-logic, Ill advised, crazy person horseshit, but offshoring to China where there are fewer labor regulations and lower workers standards to cut costs is wack too. Especially if the business model is to ship Canadian maple from north america ACROSS THE OCEAN, have them pressed and printed in China, and ship the wood back to North America to be distributed. That is just incredibly wasteful and ridiculous on paper.
Basically what I'm saying is I'd pay more, way more, like $100, for a USA manufactured deck.
Chat, is it possible to be anti Trump but also pro US manufacturing?
Ten or so years ago, the coolest thing ever was Scumco, who bought boards pressed at Pennswood and hand-screened them in PA. I know they eventually moved to different manufacturing, but isn't having boards made like that still a cool possibility?
i think this is an old myth - i know china isnt the best but I lived there for a decade and soo many factory jobs are being outsourced to cheaper places due to the middle class in China expanding and the rise of AI/bots in factories.
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The orange doofus just said “the US doesn’t need anything Canada has”. So I guess that’s it for the Canadian hard rock maple. Going to get pricey fast.
Yeah, American farmers definitely don’t need Canadian potash.
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Personally I think it's sick HLC have made moves to try and manufacture in Texas.
Obviously the tariffs are absolute no-logic, Ill advised, crazy person horseshit, but offshoring to China where there are fewer labor regulations and lower workers standards to cut costs is wack too. Especially if the business model is to ship Canadian maple from north america ACROSS THE OCEAN, have them pressed and printed in China, and ship the wood back to North America to be distributed. That is just incredibly wasteful and ridiculous on paper.
Basically what I'm saying is I'd pay more, way more, like $100, for a USA manufactured deck.
Chat, is it possible to be anti Trump but also pro US manufacturing?
Ten or so years ago, the coolest thing ever was Scumco, who bought boards pressed at Pennswood and hand-screened them in PA. I know they eventually moved to different manufacturing, but isn't having boards made like that still a cool possibility?
i think this is an old myth - i know china isnt the best but I lived there for a decade and soo many factory jobs are being outsourced to cheaper places due to the middle class in China expanding and the rise of AI/bots in factories.
It varies, based mostly on rather or not the owner/management are scumbags.
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
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The orange doofus just said “the US doesn’t need anything Canada has”. So I guess that’s it for the Canadian hard rock maple. Going to get pricey fast.
Yeah, American farmers definitely don’t need Canadian potash.
Well, on the plus side, the Chinese no longer want our soy beans. By far the biggest thing we export to them.
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The orange doofus just said “the US doesn’t need anything Canada has”. So I guess that’s it for the Canadian hard rock maple. Going to get pricey fast.
Yeah, American farmers definitely don’t need Canadian potash.
Well, on the plus side, the Chinese no longer want our soy beans. By far the biggest thing we export to them.
So much winning!
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Yow, I nah here fi tell ya dat deh cow fat and dem sheep fluffy, nah nah but mi deh yah hold mi tongue fi too long bout politics weh gwaan inna di space.
From mi livity and how I trod, I tinks it clear seh I a free-minded rasta mon. Jah teach I tolerance, upliftment, an’ fi show love to all bredda and sista.
Mi nah follow di strict Bobo Ashanti doctrine weh come wid di hatred and homophobia and misogyny. Mi seh big nah tah dem, dat cyan nah work fi I.
Man haffi deal wid love, overstanding, not oppression.
In accordance wi dese principles, Jah guide I unto skateboarding—fi wha mi give tanks and praise fi everyday.
But now di orange-clad Babylon bwoy dem and him wicked policies a mash up i&i big ting, threaten dey longevity ah dey skateshops.
So mi cya stay silent nah mo. Blaze fyah pon Trump an dem bwoy weh stand wid dem oppressive ways! Sizzla seh i&i mus overcommand wicked and dey would catch at a straw if deh wa tah drown.
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
baker is already 130 lol so who knows, prob 150
FA was 145 but new ones seem to be 125
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Yow, I nah here fi tell ya dat deh cow fat and dem sheep fluffy, nah nah but mi deh yah hold mi tongue fi too long bout politics weh gwaan inna di space.
From mi livity and how I trod, I tinks it clear seh I a free-minded rasta mon. Jah teach I tolerance, upliftment, an’ fi show love to all bredda and sista.
Mi nah follow di strict Bobo Ashanti doctrine weh come wid di hatred and homophobia and misogyny. Mi seh big nah tah dem, dat cyan nah work fi I.
Man haffi deal wid love, overstanding, not oppression.
In accordance wi dese principles, Jah guide I unto skateboarding—fi wha mi give tanks and praise fi everyday.
But now di orange-clad Babylon bwoy dem and him wicked policies a mash up i&i big ting, threaten dey longevity ah dey skateshops.
So mi cya stay silent nah mo. Blaze fyah pon Trump an dem bwoy weh stand wid dem oppressive ways! Sizzla seh i&i mus overcommand wicked and dey would catch at a straw if deh wa tah drown.
you bring levity to a heavy world mr. Sizzla.
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
baker is already 130 lol so who knows, prob 150
FA was 145 but new ones seem to be 125
If a canada first head, wanted to avoid US brands in their setup, what would they ride?
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Studio is a great one to support
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
Can’t speak to Baker but I heard DLX can get shipped from Mexico to Supra dist in Vancouver to avoid tariffs. Right now most DLX decks are 105-140 depending on things like wheel wells, slicks, special shapes ect. and spits are 70-80. I work in skateboarding and people already complain about costs so the thought of it going up more is just sad. We use control for shop decks and price them at 60 right now they have some new shapes that are actually decent but still nothing like skating a fresh eagle.
If the dumbfucks tariff war continues I would think all Canadian distros will stop buying warehoused in the USA product and get it shipped directly from the source. Especially with China goods. Vancouver has a huge port that gets tons of containers from China so Centre dist for example should be able to import in there Indys/NHS stuff relatively problem free
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
baker is already 130 lol so who knows, prob 150
FA was 145 but new ones seem to be 125
If a canada first head, wanted to avoid US brands in their setup, what would they ride?
studio/jenny or shop decks
studio decks are made in canada
classic griptape
don't think there's a good sub for wheels
rx bearings i guess lol
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
baker is already 130 lol so who knows, prob 150
FA was 145 but new ones seem to be 125
If a canada first head, wanted to avoid US brands in their setup, what would they ride?
studio/jenny or shop decks
studio decks are made in canada
classic griptape
don't think there's a good sub for wheels
rx bearings i guess lol
Pylon
Skull Skates
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L'Etat & Atlantic Aire are a few other Canadian board brands. Not sure about any trucks/wheels though.
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
Can’t speak to Baker but I heard DLX can get shipped from Mexico to Supra dist in Vancouver to avoid tariffs. Right now most DLX decks are 105-140 depending on things like wheel wells, slicks, special shapes ect. and spits are 70-80. I work in skateboarding and people already complain about costs so the thought of it going up more is just sad. We use control for shop decks and price them at 60 right now they have some new shapes that are actually decent but still nothing like skating a fresh eagle.
If the dumbfucks tariff war continues I would think all Canadian distros will stop buying warehoused in the USA product and get it shipped directly from the source. Especially with China goods. Vancouver has a huge port that gets tons of containers from China so Centre dist for example should be able to import in there Indys/NHS stuff relatively problem free
Cheers. Control boards are sick IMO, I had a few Chance boards back in the day and always had good experiences. I remember they were nice and crispy and easy to flip. If your shop is in Western Canada, I might be down to order a board.
With an okay job and an eye for discounts, I don’t mind paying a bit more but I don’t envy board breakers or groms on tighter budgets.
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Canadian Pals, what can we expect boards from Deluxe/FA/Baker/whatever to run for going forwards? Up from 120 to 150 a board?
baker is already 130 lol so who knows, prob 150
FA was 145 but new ones seem to be 125
If a canada first head, wanted to avoid US brands in their setup, what would they ride?
Folk skateboards is a small press and shaper in Salmo, BC that makes boards for places like Skull Skates and does custom stuff
https://kingskateboard.com/blogs/features/35-years-of-shaping-skateboards-interview-with-shaper-andy-dobson-folk-skateboards
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I was sent this yesterday https://www.instagram.com/p/DJXU_B1hbF3/
If anyone can confirm that Skate1 has upped prices I'd be hugely grateful.
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How long have Polar boards cost 73 dollars? I bought 2 for 80 dollars a year ago. They were on sale, but I don't think they were 45% off at the time. Were they?
I suppose it is time to buy wheels, bearings, bushings, an extra set of bearings, and maybe an extra set of trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/LXVwQ5Mf/Screenshot-2025-05-09-at-12-38-35-AM.png)
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How long have Polar boards cost 73 dollars? I bought 2 for 80 dollars a year ago. They were on sale, but I don't think they were 45% off at the time. Were they?
I suppose it is time to buy wheels, bearings, bushings, an extra set of bearings, and maybe an extra set of trucks.
(https://i.ibb.co/LXVwQ5Mf/Screenshot-2025-05-09-at-12-38-35-AM.png)
IMO the smart thing to do is to look for the good sales and stock up as a hedge. I personally took advantage of a Polar sale back in February to buy 4 decks with grip for $150, which at the rate I'm skating lately should last me until 2045.
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I was sent this yesterday https://www.instagram.com/p/DJXU_B1hbF3/
If anyone can confirm that Skate1 has upped prices I'd be hugely grateful.
I had a few things in my cart at 303, including a set of Reds. I just went to checkout and a couple days ago they were $19.95 and today they are $24.95. I just quickly looked around and a number of places seem to have raised their prices on Chinese Bones over the past couple days. Some places still have them between $17.95-$20.00 but I bet that changes quickly.
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I was looking at ML bearings this week when I saw first that price increase post on IG. Great bearings BTW. They were $10.50 from Skate One on Amazon. They are now $16.98. They are $17.95 on the skateone website. MiniLogo bearings for maybe a decade, have been $10 at bigger shops and 12-14 for smaller skate shops.
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my shops boards are control and i really did not like the way it looked, had a massive taper from nose to tail. my friend says they skate amazing though. maybe once the prices have actually hit in a meaningful way i will switch. got a GX1000 BBS board that i really wanted and price was right on that, i think $90canadian, and got a Roger board as well that was actually a little bit more i think it was $100 canadian. (HLC made in USA). shop boards were $70 i believe.
this is literally the same price iwas paying for boards when i started in 1998 and money is worth probably about 1/2 as much back then so really i cant complain...
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I was sent this yesterday https://www.instagram.com/p/DJXU_B1hbF3/
If anyone can confirm that Skate1 has upped prices I'd be hugely grateful.
I had a few things in my cart at 303, including a set of Reds. I just went to checkout and a couple days ago they were $19.95 and today they are $24.95. I just quickly looked around and a number of places seem to have raised their prices on Chinese Bones over the past couple days. Some places still have them between $17.95-$20.00 but I bet that changes quickly.
my local posted on IG that whole sale cost of reds went up by 50%... assuming thats true across the board then 303 ate some of that cost increase to only up the price by 25%
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Thanks for confirmimg that prices are creeping. I forsee this being a 2 step increase.
Small increase now and hope people aren't too hurt and brand doesn't take too much of a hit and another increase around Sept followed by the good old black friday "discount".
Upping prices by 50% doesn't equal the 125% tariffs so there's more to come.
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when they start charging more than $10 for hardware, I'm hording.
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Has anyone actually read the tariff details on sporting equipment? It occurred to me that there may be a way around this with certain skate goods depending on if the final good is assembled or not AND they stick to a blanket rate.
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Bones bearings price is fucked
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I was looking at ML bearings this week when I saw first that price increase post on IG. Great bearings BTW. They were $10.50 from Skate One on Amazon. They are now $16.98. They are $17.95 on the skateone website. MiniLogo bearings for maybe a decade, have been $10 at bigger shops and 12-14 for smaller skate shops.
Why would you want to buy bearings on Amazon? I get it’s directly from Skate One but Amazon still takes a 20-30% cut and does fuck all for skating. That $10-15 would be much better spent at any skateshop. Do Pals honestly shop on Amazon? I thought collectively we’re all pro small business around here, especially skate shops.
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I was looking at ML bearings this week when I saw first that price increase post on IG. Great bearings BTW. They were $10.50 from Skate One on Amazon. They are now $16.98. They are $17.95 on the skateone website. MiniLogo bearings for maybe a decade, have been $10 at bigger shops and 12-14 for smaller skate shops.
Why would you want to buy bearings on Amazon? I get it’s directly from Skate One but Amazon still takes a 20-30% cut and does fuck all for skating. That $10-15 would be much better spent at any skateshop. Do Pals honestly shop on Amazon? I thought collectively we’re all pro small business around here, especially skate shops.
Was chatting with owner of Orchard this week. He told me that Bones upped their MSRP about $6...meanwhile, Skate One is still selling them $1 under the OLD MSRP on their Amazon page. Translation: They don't give a fuck about skate shops.
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I was looking at ML bearings this week when I saw first that price increase post on IG. Great bearings BTW. They were $10.50 from Skate One on Amazon. They are now $16.98. They are $17.95 on the skateone website. MiniLogo bearings for maybe a decade, have been $10 at bigger shops and 12-14 for smaller skate shops.
Why would you want to buy bearings on Amazon? I get it’s directly from Skate One but Amazon still takes a 20-30% cut and does fuck all for skating. That $10-15 would be much better spent at any skateshop. Do Pals honestly shop on Amazon? I thought collectively we’re all pro small business around here, especially skate shops.
Was chatting with owner of Orchard this week. He told me that Bones upped their MSRP about $6...meanwhile, Skate One is still selling them $1 under the OLD MSRP on their Amazon page. Translation: They don't give a fuck about skate shops.
They come from Tgm, which is a skate shop. And is the same price as buying from their site, however I can use my chase points more easily through Amazon.
But HONESTLY. The whole reason I started looking into this was because they showed up my recommended in the vintage white mini logo packaging with the rounded Powell font. I liked it better than the current greenish brown Minilogo “militant” branding. So I was curious if there was someone on Amazon selling old product or did Minilogo go back to the old branding. TGM also has random vintage products, like currently they have a bunch of fury trucks in small sizes.
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Was chatting with owner of Orchard this week. He told me that Bones upped their MSRP about $6...meanwhile, Skate One is still selling them $1 under the OLD MSRP on their Amazon page. Translation: They don't give a fuck about skate shops.
This isn't true. Skate one doesn't have an Amazon page. Powell Peralta does but they don't sell bearings. There is literally no way to buy Bones bearings from Skate One on Amazon. TGM is still selling them for $1 under old MSRP price on Amazon and so are some stores but if you want to buy them from Skate One directly, they're full MSRP price of $24.95.
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Given the proliferation of fake everything on Amazon and eBay, and fake Bones bearings, it's likely that any bearings being sold significantly below MSRP are just knock-offs.
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Given the proliferation of fake everything on Amazon and eBay, and fake Bones bearings, it's likely that any bearings being sold significantly below MSRP are just knock-offs.
Powell has even issued statements about exactly this.
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Given the proliferation of fake everything on Amazon and eBay, and fake Bones bearings, it's likely that any bearings being sold significantly below MSRP are just knock-offs.
Powell has even issued statements about exactly this.
I Stopped buying anything on Amazon cause you know, fuck them, but even before that I never bought any skate gear. My other hobby is fishing and you don't buy fishing gear there either because so much of it is fake.
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Given the proliferation of fake everything on Amazon and eBay, and fake Bones bearings, it's likely that any bearings being sold significantly below MSRP are just knock-offs.
Powell has even issued statements about exactly this.
I Stopped buying anything on Amazon cause you know, fuck them, but even before that I never bought any skate gear. My other hobby is fishing and you don't buy fishing gear there either because so much of it is fake.
Eh, it’s not hard to see check the seller before making a purchase. CCS, TGM, skate one, board paradise, stoked ride shop and a few other shops sell through Amazon.
But yeah, I totally understand if you want to avoid them altogether. I like TGM, they’re a physical skate shop and their own website offers Amazon checkout with Amazon.
But anyway, back to tariffs
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Ace sells through Amazon I just found out. Funny cuz they try to position themselves as the new core truck brand.
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Ace sells through Amazon I just found out. Funny cuz they try to position themselves as the new core truck brand.
You can buy DLX at zumiez. Skateboarding is a business and capitalism controls business. Core dogma is an illusion perpetuated by the people who believe in it but certain companies do voluntarily follow an ethical guideline and that’s what you should be paying attention to.
This is thee perfect summary of everything
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Not sure what has been discussed in previous pages, but 2 companies that have been hit by tariffs that I have heard of is Sidewalk Distribution and Opus Footwear. 145% increase.
To ship 1 pair of shoes is $69. Sidewalk isn’t going to do pre-built completes. Not sure how you even keep getting boards if you’re Sidewalk. That increase is basically the cost of a deck.
I’m speculating, but maybe Sidewalk starts going through BBS?
I think it was the Jenkem tariff article, but there was a quote from a shop owner saying that they’re not going to carry a certain shoe brand anymore due to pricing. Anyway know what brand that is?
Edit: Adding this, Skate One prices went up. MSRP is $6-$8 more. 53mm wheels and under MSRP is $48. 54mm and above MSRP is $50. Don’t remember what MSRP was for Flight decks. I want to say it was $105-$110? MSRP is now &119.95.
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How long have Polar boards cost 73 dollars? I bought 2 for 80 dollars a year ago. They were on sale, but I don't think they were 45% off at the time. Were they?
I suppose it is time to buy wheels, bearings, bushings, an extra set of bearings, and maybe an extra set of trucks.
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You came up on a good deal. They’ve been pushing an MSRP of like $75 or more for the last couple years. If you see a Polar deck for $73, that shop has probably got the price down as low as they could or meet a bare minimum profit margin.
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When I noticed yesterday that a lot of people had raised prices on Reds, I ordered a couple sets from TGM for $17.95. Just looked this morning and they're now $24.95. That's something like a 35% increase. I wonder if Bones imported a bunch when Trumps Tariff rate was 34% in early April. If the tariffs stay in place at 145%, this will certainly have to go up again.
Talked with my friend who runs a fishing tackle shop and he said they're freaking out. They have all the new Spring items like rods and reels for people gearing up for the season but they typically order a lot of lures, line etc... as the season is going depending on what people are buying that year. He said wholesale prices have started to go insane on a lot of things. To the point where some MSRP and MAP prices are over double what they were a few months ago.
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I thought bones wheels were made in America. That’s what it says on google. Maybe a price increase to compensate for the rest of skateone.
This really sucks for opus. They were hanging on. Even if this tariffs shit reverts I think a lot of these smaller brands won’t survive the initial blow
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I thought bones wheels were made in America. That’s what it says on google. Maybe a price increase to compensate for the rest of skateone.
This really sucks for opus. They were hanging on. Even if this tariffs shit reverts I think a lot of these smaller brands won’t survive the initial blow
Most likely raw materials cost.
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Looks like Bones Swiss are still $50. They retailed for $55-60 just a couple years ago. One of the only products to come down in price and the quality stayed the same. So if you needed a reason to upgrade now would be the best time. I skated Reds for many years due to the cheap price. But once I got my first pair of Bones Swiss, on a Black Friday sale, I never went back to Reds. I know it’s more than you’re used to spending but it’s worth it.
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I thought bones wheels were made in America. That’s what it says on google. Maybe a price increase to compensate for the rest of skateone.
They are made in America but some of the raw materials/chemicals, the packaging, shrink wrap, stickers etc... all come from China. I would bet that for the cored cruiser wheels, the cores come from China as well. This is one of the main points that Trump gets so wrong. There are very few made in America products where every single part/chemical/do-dad etc... come from America.
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I thought bones wheels were made in America. That’s what it says on google. Maybe a price increase to compensate for the rest of skateone.
This really sucks for opus. They were hanging on. Even if this tariffs shit reverts I think a lot of these smaller brands won’t survive the initial blow
Most likely raw materials cost.
And this will ripple throughout the country, even with fully domestic products. If your imported chemical precursors suddenly cost ~150% more, forcing you and your competition to switch to a domestic supplier, what do you think that domestic supplier is going to do with their prices?
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Given the proliferation of fake everything on Amazon and eBay, and fake Bones bearings, it's likely that any bearings being sold significantly below MSRP are just knock-offs.
If you're not buying Bones Swiss from an authorized dealer, any cheap bearing on eBay or Amazon are probably as good as a skate brand. No skate company makes or designs bearings, including Bones. They even use the same stock rectangular or round tin boxes bundled with 5 cent bearings from Alibaba.
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
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I'd be stoked if I got 3 Primitive decks with this graphic
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
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Majority of the Primitive graphics in the mystery box are pretty bad but I’ve only had good things to say about skating them. I think that’s a pretty fair consensus in the gear threads.
Edit after seeing Rawbertsons post.
I’ve only skated their BBS boards so I can’t really say anything for the China decks. Haven’t ordered anything from Primitive in a couple years.
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
If you're looking for cheap bulk decks, 303 has 4 shop decks for $99. 5 for $99 if you want 8". Mostly bad graphics but some maybe aren't terrible.
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
Some actually are bbs, I got the 3 pack like a week ago and 2 of them have the BBS sticker. 8.25 with 14in wheelbase
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Tariffs on Chinese goods have been brought down to 30% for the next 90 days during trade negotiations. Better than 145% obviously but 30% is still crazy high
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
Some actually are bbs, I got the 3 pack like a week ago and 2 of them have the BBS sticker. 8.25 with 14in wheelbase
Curious what was the graphic on those? was it an old one? you should be able to see on the sticker what drop its from... last BBS one i got was from like 2020 or 2021, a Robert Neal board. You could tell the concave was completely different to the other 5 that i received that were china. So there must be still some left. It is hard to really wrap my head around how many of these boards these guys have sitting around.
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
Some actually are bbs, I got the 3 pack like a week ago and 2 of them have the BBS sticker. 8.25 with 14in wheelbase
Curious what was the graphic on those? was it an old one? you should be able to see on the sticker what drop its from... last BBS one i got was from like 2020 or 2021, a Robert Neal board. You could tell the concave was completely different to the other 5 that i received that were china. So there must be still some left. It is hard to really wrap my head around how many of these boards these guys have sitting around.
(https://i.ibb.co/k2dpzqr0/PXL-20250512-145629550.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2dpzqr0)(https://i.ibb.co/MYkdXrK/PXL-20250512-145544692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MYkdXrK)(https://i.ibb.co/kghxChgv/PXL-20250512-145638597.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kghxChgv)(https://i.ibb.co/DD4gXdXn/PXL-20250512-145600086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DD4gXdXn)
gotta love their graphics :) at least they are BBS
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Tariffs on Chinese goods have been brought down to 30% for the next 90 days during trade negotiations. Better than 145% obviously but 30% is still crazy high
Yeah. Saw that too. Definitely good. We'll see what happens in 90days.
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Tariffs on Chinese goods have been brought down to 30% for the next 90 days during trade negotiations. Better than 145% obviously but 30% is still crazy high
Yeah. Saw that too. Definitely good. We'll see what happens in 90days.
yoyoyo ghost. colombians dropped price on the brick. your people in the street gonna drop theirs?
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Not sure what has been discussed in previous pages, but 2 companies that have been hit by tariffs that I have heard of is Sidewalk Distribution and Opus Footwear. 145% increase.
To ship 1 pair of shoes is $69. Sidewalk isn’t going to do pre-built completes. Not sure how you even keep getting boards if you’re Sidewalk. That increase is basically the cost of a deck.
I’m speculating, but maybe Sidewalk starts going through BBS?
this one hurts. The DSM mellow concave has been my favorite board construction for past couple years. I'd love to check out a DLX easy rider but they're smaller widths and in true DLX fashion I doubt they'll be sticking around much longer.
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Well most of y’all’s dreams have come true. Now you can regularly pay 75$ and up for deck that night last a hour or 3 weeks. Yay. Cool thing is once the prices go up they never come back fully to where they were prior.
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Well most of y’all’s dreams have come true. Now you can regularly pay 75$ and up for deck that night last a hour or 3 weeks. Yay. Cool thing is once the prices go up they never come back fully to where they were prior.
How much does a deck cost from where you live? cause they've been like $72 for a couple years
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Well most of y’all’s dreams have come true. Now you can regularly pay 75$ and up for deck that night last a hour or 3 weeks. Yay. Cool thing is once the prices go up they never come back fully to where they were prior.
How much does a deck cost from where you live? cause they've been like $72 for a couple years
I can still pick up a deck from my local for $60-65, and that’s shit like jacuzzi, real, baker, etc. and it always comes with free grip
Local company & their shop decks are 50-55. And they just did a $30 deck deal last week. I picked up a skate mental for $30, probably the cheapest I’ve spent on anything skateboarding related in years.
I dont know how they do it, I have no idea. But they’re connected to a bike shop as well. But all I’m saying, the skateshop itself has to be in the red. There aren’t enough of us locally to keep them in the black every quarter
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
Some actually are bbs, I got the 3 pack like a week ago and 2 of them have the BBS sticker. 8.25 with 14in wheelbase
Curious what was the graphic on those? was it an old one? you should be able to see on the sticker what drop its from... last BBS one i got was from like 2020 or 2021, a Robert Neal board. You could tell the concave was completely different to the other 5 that i received that were china. So there must be still some left. It is hard to really wrap my head around how many of these boards these guys have sitting around.
(https://i.ibb.co/k2dpzqr0/PXL-20250512-145629550.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2dpzqr0)(https://i.ibb.co/MYkdXrK/PXL-20250512-145544692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MYkdXrK)(https://i.ibb.co/kghxChgv/PXL-20250512-145638597.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kghxChgv)(https://i.ibb.co/DD4gXdXn/PXL-20250512-145600086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DD4gXdXn)
gotta love their graphics :) at least they are BBS
i got two 3 deck mystery boxes - see skate shit you've bought recently thread - and all of them are made in mexico. is that BBS? don't know from when the graphics are.
edit: just checked their site - tiago silks decks are from fall 2024 drop and ribeiro mindset decks from summer 2024 drop. not too old i think
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I just checked the Primitive site and they still have their 2 for $70 & 3 for $90 mystery deck deal up. Just choose the size and hope you don’t get a Goku fighting SpongeBob graphic
those seemingly JUST came back. i am guessing they do this when they are sitting on a lot of old boards. i check it pretty frequently and hadnt see that deal in awhile. they are not BBS though, they are china. only the egg boards are BBS for a long time now im almost 99% sure. i havnet got a bbs popsicle from them in a long time now. their prices are already jacked up though for the new boards so im guessing mystery bundles wont come back or will be more expensive next time possibly.
Some actually are bbs, I got the 3 pack like a week ago and 2 of them have the BBS sticker. 8.25 with 14in wheelbase
Curious what was the graphic on those? was it an old one? you should be able to see on the sticker what drop its from... last BBS one i got was from like 2020 or 2021, a Robert Neal board. You could tell the concave was completely different to the other 5 that i received that were china. So there must be still some left. It is hard to really wrap my head around how many of these boards these guys have sitting around.
(https://i.ibb.co/k2dpzqr0/PXL-20250512-145629550.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k2dpzqr0)(https://i.ibb.co/MYkdXrK/PXL-20250512-145544692.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MYkdXrK)(https://i.ibb.co/kghxChgv/PXL-20250512-145638597.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kghxChgv)(https://i.ibb.co/DD4gXdXn/PXL-20250512-145600086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DD4gXdXn)
gotta love their graphics :) at least they are BBS
i got two 3 deck mystery boxes - see skate shit you've bought recently thread - and all of them are made in mexico. is that BBS? don't know from when the graphics are.
edit: just checked their site - tiago silks decks are from fall 2024 drop and ribeiro mindset decks from summer 2024 drop. not too old i think
Yup, Mexico = BBS
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Hey pals, when you buy decks in bulk, how do you store them to avoid the wood getting warped over time?
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Hey pals, when you buy decks in bulk, how do you store them to avoid the wood getting warped over time?
If they have graphics, the first thing to do is removed them from the shrink. I buy deck storage bags online, they’re not super expensive. Put each board in a big, seal it with as much air removed as possible.
I then stack them flat in a board box. Then I store the board box somewhere central, as far away from doors/windows/vents as possible and dark ideally. You want to prevent as many changes in moisture/temperature/light as possible.
That’s worked for me so far.
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Hey pals, when you buy decks in bulk, how do you store them to avoid the wood getting warped over time?
I just keep them stacked flat in a box on a closet floor. I should probably throw some of those silica gel packets in there, but otherwise that's the only prep I take and it has always been fine.
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HUFs site has BBS 8.25x32 decks on sale for $27 if you don't mind dipped boards. That's the cheapest I've seen for BBS boards online.
https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433 (https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433)
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HUFs site has BBS 8.25x32 decks on sale for $27 if you don't mind dipped boards. That's the cheapest I've seen for BBS boards online.
https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433 (https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433)
where are you seeing size?
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I saw this depop page saying they're 8.25 and I purchased one from HUF. Can confirm they are 8.25x32.
https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/ (https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/)
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I saw this depop page saying they're 8.25 and I purchased one from HUF. Can confirm they are 8.25x32.
https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/ (https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/)
14.25 wb? whatever. doesn't matter.
good lookin out
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I saw this depop page saying they're 8.25 and I purchased one from HUF. Can confirm they are 8.25x32.
https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/ (https://www.depop.com/products/younglord415-huf-sf-skate-deck-825/)
14.25 wb? whatever. doesn't matter.
good lookin out
Correct 14.25 wb.
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Hey pals, when you buy decks in bulk, how do you store them to avoid the wood getting warped over time?
If they have graphics, the first thing to do is removed them from the shrink. I buy deck storage bags online, they’re not super expensive. Put each board in a big, seal it with as much air removed as possible.
I then stack them flat in a board box. Then I store the board box somewhere central, as far away from doors/windows/vents as possible and dark ideally. You want to prevent as many changes in moisture/temperature/light as possible.
That’s worked for me so far.
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The tariff roller coaster never ends.
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/trump-tariffs-trade-court-ruling
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The court isn’t going to stop these tariffs. It hasn’t stopped them from disappearing citizens or permanent residents. Do you think the tariffs are going to let a court stop them? Let’s be serious.
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The tariff roller coaster never ends.
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/trump-tariffs-trade-court-ruling
The court isn’t going to stop these tariffs. It hasn’t stopped them from disappearing citizens or permanent residents. Do you think the tariffs are going to let a court stop them? Let’s be serious.
lol
"Trump tariffs reinstated by appeals court for now"
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/29/blocked-trump-tariffs-trade-court-appeal.html
the Trump administration aimed a barrage of criticism at the trade-court judges, accusing them of bias and abusing their power.
“The Supreme Court must put an end to this,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Thursday afternoon. “These judges are threatening to undermine the credibility of the United States on the world stage.”
“We are living under a judicial tyranny,” White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller wrote Thursday morning in response to the ruling, escalating his initial claim that “the judicial coup is out of control.”
Still, Trump officials maintain that they have other options for imposing tariffs, even if they do not prevail in the case.
“Even if we lose, we will do it another way,” Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro told reporters at the White House on Thursday afternoon.
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HUFs site has BBS 8.25x32 decks on sale for $27 if you don't mind dipped boards. That's the cheapest I've seen for BBS boards online.
https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433 (https://hufworldwide.com/collections/decks/products/san-francisco-store-deck-ac00492?variant=39253953675433)
Good looking out. I just ordered a couple for a father's day gift to my self.
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USA TARIFFS
By Sam [email protected]
Jun 6, 2025
USA Tariffs Notice
After months of talk and speculation, the Trump Government has put in tarriffs on all goods coming in from China. Please be advised that any product make in China being ordered right now, but have a 100% tariffs (tax) coming into the country.
This means on the products made in China, if you paid $99USD for it, you could have to pay $99USD in tariffs when you receive them into the country.
This is a charge that is totally out of our control, we appreciate your patience and understanding when dealing with this issue.
It went down to 55%:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna212286
Companies haven’t gotten their latest drops because they’ve been waiting for the tariffs to drop. Even with the reduction, we’re looking at paying $96/Authentics and $100+ for any hollow Ace/Indy/Slappy trucks. IPATH Cats are going to be $155.
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I live in the US and want to purchase something from ninetimes skateshop in Canada. How much in tarrifs should I expect to pay? Is it even calculate-able or completely random? Thanks in advance pals. Haven’t bought skate stuff directly from non USA since the pandemic, so apologies if this has been discussed or can be looked up
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All skaters starting eBay’s in 2025 and selling their Stickers/used shoes/used boards/free flow stuff and further crashing the market - a lot of brand new items like spitfire wheels and most truck like thunder and Indy’s are cheapest on eBay then any online price
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I don’t buy anything from anywhere other than eBay/mercari/depop/etc anymore. If there’s a place where people sell their goods directly like those, that’s where I’m looking. I recently got a bundle of wheels (2 spitfire F4’s and 2 quasi conicals) for like $35 + shipping. I got a set of Venture’s for like $20. The industry and world can burn at this point, I’m priced out of almost everything in life. If it lets me keep skating, I’ll buy whatever way I can wherever I can.
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I live in the US and want to purchase something from ninetimes skateshop in Canada. How much in tarrifs should I expect to pay? Is it even calculate-able or completely random? Thanks in advance pals. Haven’t bought skate stuff directly from non USA since the pandemic, so apologies if this has been discussed or can be looked up
It depends where the goods are made and what they are. I’m not sure about other countries but expect a minimum of 55% for Chinese goods. It also depends on carrier. UPS doesn’t require customs paperwork if the total value is under $800. FedEx will go through DHS and fuck you over. I got billed $257 for 214 CAD worth of clothes made in China and shipped from Canada, when tariffs were at the peak…my fault for not paying attention to the news. 169% on denim shorts and 27.5% on a tee.
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Skateshops raises prices in 2025 but online prices get cheaper and cheaper in 2025. Shop owners are marketing old inventory non-stop but don’t want to admit defeat - yet they still order things like $90 dime pants to sell to adults who can bearly put more then $15 in the gas tank each time.
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Whew, Polar boards are not cheap on their website. I was hoping for a deal, but getting a deck shipped to me is about 85$. But, I suppose this is about what a board should cost if it went along with inflation over the past 20 years. I'm just being cheap ;D
Also, I assume most recent accounts are the same person talking to themselves. I feel like half the posts on the site are the same person answering their own stupid posts with another account. Amazing how some people choose to spend their free-time. We could spend our days traveling, giving back to the community, lol, no, I'll respond to my fake account with another fake account. A life well lived.
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Also, I assume most recent accounts are the same person talking to themselves. I feel like half the posts on the site are the same person answering their own stupid posts with another account. Amazing how some people choose to spend their free-time. We could spend our days traveling, giving back to the community, lol, no, I'll respond to my fake account with another fake account. A life well lived.
Slap is really just one guy talking to himself across hundreds of alternative personalities.
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Also, I assume most recent accounts are the same person talking to themselves. I feel like half the posts on the site are the same person answering their own stupid posts with another account. Amazing how some people choose to spend their free-time. We could spend our days traveling, giving back to the community, lol, no, I'll respond to my fake account with another fake account. A life well lived.
Slap is really just one guy talking to himself across hundreds of alternative personalities.
Fight Club but Tyler Durden is just slapnow and uncle flea
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reds going up to $30?
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fuck this dickhead
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https://www.youtube.com/live/T9qxAZBpx3s
Supreme Court has struck down global tariffs
not like that means shit is gonna change
fuck the Supreme Court too
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https://www.youtube.com/live/T9qxAZBpx3s
Supreme Court has struck down global tariffs
not like that means shit is gonna change
fuck the Supreme Court too
serious question
I'm not smart enough to understand a lot of this stuff, but if the tariffs have to be paid back to the companies, wont that in some way fall on the taxpayer?
isnt it also giving companies a huge break since they most likely already passed that along to consumers?
will that bring PS back from the grave?
Also, I did not do my due diligence and read the prior pages so apologies if this has been answered
Also also I'm sure I couldve asked chatgpt but I'd rather hear from some woodpusher on the internet
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The Trump administration improperly used some emergency act from the 70s to enforce tariffs. The Supreme Court ruled against Trump, but he can use other acts to bypass going through congress to enact tariffs. There is around 100-200 billion dollars that this administration collected from US importers that no one knows what will happen to. He’ll probably give it to his boyfriend, Netanyahu. Cheeto dick can still go through with his 10% flat rate on foreign goods, on top of whatever tariffs are considered legal.
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Fuck trump and his fucking illegal tariffs. Boards are close to $100 now in the US because of him.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/T9qxAZBpx3s
Supreme Court has struck down global tariffs
not like that means shit is gonna change
fuck the Supreme Court too
serious question
I'm not smart enough to understand a lot of this stuff, but if the tariffs have to be paid back to the companies, wont that in some way fall on the taxpayer?
isnt it also giving companies a huge break since they most likely already passed that along to consumers?
will that bring PS back from the grave?
Also, I did not do my due diligence and read the prior pages so apologies if this has been answered
Also also I'm sure I couldve asked chatgpt but I'd rather hear from some woodpusher on the internet
Yes, US taxpayers will foot the bill to repay the companies and the we the people who paid the tariffs will get nothing
Yes, companies just passed along the increased cost to the consumer which is what anyone with a functioning brain knew would happen. Consumers paid 98% of the tariffs.
No
Never use chatGPT for anything, AI slop is poisoning the world bro
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Importers are the ones collecting the tariffs from the company (XYZ Skateboards) who ordered the stuff from a foreign factory. The importer passes that $ to the US Treasury which must pay interest on the obscene national debt. XYZ just passes the cost on to the distributors, retailers, and ultimately the consumer.
This money will doubtfully ever be refunded to the importers, let alone XYZ Skateboards and the consumer. I think the only people who benefit from this are the bankers receiving interest payments and the lawyers involved in the litigation of trying to recover the tariffs from the US government. The usual pyramid scheme.
I've been buying Powell Flight Decks for the past few years which have not increased in price lately. Considering what a deck cost in the 80s, I can't complain. I'm sure there are some foreign components involved in the manufacture of said decks, but they do count as Made in USA.
A decent deck in the mid to late 80s cost about $45, but they were well made compared to the junk that followed. Then the aging pro skaters started their own deck companies in the 90s, signing up younger pros and pumping out garbage decks at the same prices. All of a sudden, what good was a pro-model deck if it delaminated in one week? Yea, the decks were thinner and lighter, but a teen couldn't afford to buy a new deck every month. That's when we started buying generic blank slick decks through the mail for $25.
I cannot find any company who makes decent trucks in the USA now. There's plenty of US foundries doing cast aluminum, but not much iron castings. I guess there's a lot of EPA red tape involved there.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/T9qxAZBpx3s
Supreme Court has struck down global tariffs
not like that means shit is gonna change
fuck the Supreme Court too
serious question
I'm not smart enough to understand a lot of this stuff, but if the tariffs have to be paid back to the companies, wont that in some way fall on the taxpayer?
isnt it also giving companies a huge break since they most likely already passed that along to consumers?
will that bring PS back from the grave?
Also, I did not do my due diligence and read the prior pages so apologies if this has been answered
Also also I'm sure I couldve asked chatgpt but I'd rather hear from some woodpusher on the internet
Congrats - your just understood what this was all about and why the Supreme Court hasn’t striked down on this before. The customer gets fucked twice over. And then again when prices won’t go down again.
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Importers are the ones collecting the tariffs from the company (XYZ Skateboards) who ordered the stuff from a foreign factory. The importer passes that $ to the US Treasury which must pay interest on the obscene national debt. XYZ just passes the cost on to the distributors, retailers, and ultimately the consumer.
This money will doubtfully ever be refunded to the importers, let alone XYZ Skateboards and the consumer. I think the only people who benefit from this are the bankers receiving interest payments and the lawyers involved in the litigation of trying to recover the tariffs from the US government. The usual pyramid scheme.
I've been buying Powell Flight Decks for the past few years which have not increased in price lately. Considering what a deck cost in the 80s, I can't complain. I'm sure there are some foreign components involved in the manufacture of said decks, but they do count as Made in USA.
A decent deck in the mid to late 80s cost about $45, but they were well made compared to the junk that followed. Then the aging pro skaters started their own deck companies in the 90s, signing up younger pros and pumping out garbage decks at the same prices. All of a sudden, what good was a pro-model deck if it delaminated in one week? Yea, the decks were thinner and lighter, but a teen couldn't afford to buy a new deck every month. That's when we started buying generic blank slick decks through the mail for $25.
I cannot find any company who makes decent trucks in the USA now. There's plenty of US foundries doing cast aluminum, but not much iron castings. I guess there's a lot of EPA red tape involved there.
Im assuming youre in the USA if the price of Flights hasnt gone up but I almost want to call cap. Theres no way they dont use precursors from different countries to make flights in the usa. Here in Canada alone Flight decks went from 149.95-159.95 up to 189.95-200. I hate that I know this and no I dont ride anything Powell ralated.
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Importers are the ones collecting the tariffs from the company (XYZ Skateboards) who ordered the stuff from a foreign factory. The importer passes that $ to the US Treasury which must pay interest on the obscene national debt. XYZ just passes the cost on to the distributors, retailers, and ultimately the consumer.
This money will doubtfully ever be refunded to the importers, let alone XYZ Skateboards and the consumer. I think the only people who benefit from this are the bankers receiving interest payments and the lawyers involved in the litigation of trying to recover the tariffs from the US government. The usual pyramid scheme.
I've been buying Powell Flight Decks for the past few years which have not increased in price lately. Considering what a deck cost in the 80s, I can't complain. I'm sure there are some foreign components involved in the manufacture of said decks, but they do count as Made in USA.
A decent deck in the mid to late 80s cost about $45, but they were well made compared to the junk that followed. Then the aging pro skaters started their own deck companies in the 90s, signing up younger pros and pumping out garbage decks at the same prices. All of a sudden, what good was a pro-model deck if it delaminated in one week? Yea, the decks were thinner and lighter, but a teen couldn't afford to buy a new deck every month. That's when we started buying generic blank slick decks through the mail for $25.
I cannot find any company who makes decent trucks in the USA now. There's plenty of US foundries doing cast aluminum, but not much iron castings. I guess there's a lot of EPA red tape involved there.
Im assuming youre in the USA if the price of Flights hasnt gone up but I almost want to call cap. Theres no way they dont use precursors from different countries to make flights in the usa. Here in Canada alone Flight decks went from 149.95-159.95 up to 189.95-200. I hate that I know this and no I dont ride anything Powell ralated.
they're still selling though at the new price... andy anderson die hards are committed
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Fuck trump and his fucking illegal tariffs. Boards are close to $100 now in the US because of him.
Is $70-$78 dollars close to $100? Because thats what they cost
edit: And shop boards can still be had for $50-$60
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Fuck trump and his fucking illegal tariffs. Boards are close to $100 now in the US because of him.
Is $70-$78 dollars close to $100? Because thats what they cost
edit: And shop boards can still be had for $50-$60
It varies by shop. SPoT sells the Polar egg for $92 and non-popsicle Heroins for $90.
For DLX pro decks, they vary from $65-80, depending on the shop. If a shop isn’t making much from softgoods, they’ll charge more for decks, just to survive.
Edit: Rent is another factor. Predatory realtors who keep increasing the rent also contribute to higher prices for goods.
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Importers are the ones collecting the tariffs from the company (XYZ Skateboards) who ordered the stuff from a foreign factory. The importer passes that $ to the US Treasury which must pay interest on the obscene national debt. XYZ just passes the cost on to the distributors, retailers, and ultimately the consumer.
This money will doubtfully ever be refunded to the importers, let alone XYZ Skateboards and the consumer. I think the only people who benefit from this are the bankers receiving interest payments and the lawyers involved in the litigation of trying to recover the tariffs from the US government. The usual pyramid scheme.
that’s not how a pyramid scheme works.
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https://www.youtube.com/live/T9qxAZBpx3s
Supreme Court has struck down global tariffs
not like that means shit is gonna change
fuck the Supreme Court too
serious question
I'm not smart enough to understand a lot of this stuff, but if the tariffs have to be paid back to the companies, wont that in some way fall on the taxpayer?
isnt it also giving companies a huge break since they most likely already passed that along to consumers?
will that bring PS back from the grave?
Also, I did not do my due diligence and read the prior pages so apologies if this has been answered
Also also I'm sure I couldve asked chatgpt but I'd rather hear from some woodpusher on the internet
Congrats - your just understood what this was all about and why the Supreme Court hasn’t striked down on this before. The customer gets fucked twice over. And then again when prices won’t go down again.
but this is onlu if it has to be paid back right?? I mean regardless like you said this is our new norm and it would be bad business if they lowered their prices
im not buying stuff anymore fuck this
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Importers are the ones collecting the tariffs from the company (XYZ Skateboards) who ordered the stuff from a foreign factory. The importer passes that $ to the US Treasury which must pay interest on the obscene national debt. XYZ just passes the cost on to the distributors, retailers, and ultimately the consumer.
This money will doubtfully ever be refunded to the importers, let alone XYZ Skateboards and the consumer. I think the only people who benefit from this are the bankers receiving interest payments and the lawyers involved in the litigation of trying to recover the tariffs from the US government. The usual pyramid scheme.
that’s not how a pyramid scheme works.
Sure it does.
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Fuck trump and his fucking illegal tariffs. Boards are close to $100 now in the US because of him.
Supreme dropped a 12 pack of boards today for $698 which comes to about $58 a board. Not bad.
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A group is filing a class action suit against Nintendo claiming that Nintendo raised their prices due to tariffs, so if Nintendo gets a tariff refund, those funds should go to the customer who actually paid for them.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/04/lawsuit-nintendo-is-getting-tariff-refunds-its-customers-should-get-them-instead/
how long until someone tries to hit NHS or Sidewallk with the same gameplan
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I can’t see skateboarders lawyering up to file a class action lawsuit against a skateboard company. Even if they did, the payout would be low. Also, prices for gear vary depending on the shop, unlike video game consoles. You could pay $40 for a set of those red T-Funk wheels if you got them from Vu but would have to pay up to $57 at other shops.
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Fuck trump and his fucking illegal tariffs. Boards are close to $100 now in the US because of him.
Is $70-$78 dollars close to $100? Because thats what they cost
edit: And shop boards can still be had for $50-$60
DLX boards are $80 now:
https://shop.ccs.com/collections/skateboard-deck/krooked
https://skateparkoftampa.com/collections/skate?filter.p.vendor=Anti-Hero&filter.v.availability=1
Let's add his dumbfuck war in Iran that's driving up the cost of oil and shipping.