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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1410 on: April 26, 2019, 01:52:07 PM »
Trying to tie the previous 911 calls to the actual incident seems like some crummy lawyering. Do they have evidence that Jesse and his crew were the skaters that they previously called 911 for? Seems like that in and of itself would be difficult to prove. And if so what does that even mean? Are they trying to charge him with menacing? I suspect the GX vid is more exonerating than has been let on and they are trying to muddy up their argument with some bad skater kids narrative since that had legs in the media.


its been really hard for me to stay out of this thread but since i dont really know CA law or procedure ive just kept my mouth shut for the most part... however i gnarred you for this.  this is one of those things where the def attny could probably object and get it kicked out, but it makes more strategic sense to leave it in because it does not really help the state's case- and you can flip it on them to make their case look like a shit show where they are grasping at straws.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1411 on: April 26, 2019, 02:44:37 PM »
Fuck all this talk, if dude would have bashed one of your relatives head in like this, would you side with him? And even if the security did start, it’s not a life and death situation that warrants this type of fuckery.

Theres a lesson here: Never go full person.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1412 on: April 26, 2019, 02:51:48 PM »
Fuck all this talk, if dude would have bashed one of your relatives head in like this, would you side with him? And even if the security did start, it’s not a life and death situation that warrants this type of fuckery.

Theres a lesson here: Never go full person.

Whether it is a relative of mine has no impact on my position. If my relative socked someone first and got socked back i would call my relative an idiot.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1413 on: April 26, 2019, 02:53:54 PM »
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Fuck all this talk, if dude would have bashed one of your relatives head in like this, would you side with him? And even if the security did start, it’s not a life and death situation that warrants this type of fuckery.

Yeah, only difference is dude lost half of his skull. Don’t act like a senseless idiot as if you don’t know that there’s levels to this shit. If someone slaps you, that doesn’t justify you shooting him.

Theres a lesson here: Never go full person.
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Whether it is a relative of mine has no impact on my position. If my relative socked someone first and got socked back i would call my relative an idiot.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1414 on: April 29, 2019, 05:43:57 PM »
Anyone know if they were back in court again today?   
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1415 on: April 29, 2019, 05:47:15 PM »
Anyone know if they were back in court again today?

looks like it, with a 9am court date tomorrow. been mostly relying on this, which doesn't really give much. http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1416 on: April 29, 2019, 05:53:33 PM »
Anyone know if they were back in court again today?

also curious for updates

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1417 on: April 29, 2019, 08:08:11 PM »
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it's a jury trial. obviously they're not unanimous and they're debating back and forth. hasn't anyone seen '12 angry men'?
hopefully he's got some sympathetic jurors, no punishment is gonna heal security but letting dude live a normal life, he might do some good. what's he gonna do in prison, put in work for the peckerwoods? nobody does good for the world behind bars [unless killing a child molester is doing good].
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lol where do peckerwoods have anything to do with this
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1418 on: May 01, 2019, 06:23:19 PM »
"Attorneys in the case sparred over what the multiple videos of the encounter showed in the two-week trial that came to a close on Wednesday, leaving the San Francisco Superior Court jury to deliberate the fate of the 24-year-old defendant."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Vicious-assault-or-self-defense-San-Francisco-13812087.php

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1419 on: May 01, 2019, 06:33:43 PM »
"Attorneys in the case sparred over what the multiple videos of the encounter showed in the two-week trial that came to a close on Wednesday, leaving the San Francisco Superior Court jury to deliberate the fate of the 24-year-old defendant."

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Vicious-assault-or-self-defense-San-Francisco-13812087.php

"Doctors put him into a medically-induced coma after he suffered a spiderweb-type fracture to the back of his skull and bleeding in the brain."

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1420 on: May 01, 2019, 06:58:49 PM »
A lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1421 on: May 01, 2019, 07:05:11 PM »
This is like skateboarding’s version of the OJ trial.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1422 on: May 01, 2019, 07:05:45 PM »
A lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.

i was out of free looks as well, but was able to access the article by clicking through the link on the author’s twitter account

https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1423 on: May 01, 2019, 07:13:51 PM »
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A lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.
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i was out of free looks as well, but was able to access the article by clicking through the link on the author’s twitter account

https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20

Not sure about that site but some online papers that do it can be opened in incognito mode for unlimited views on articles.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1424 on: May 01, 2019, 07:16:45 PM »
I just wound up reading it on my phone. I'll try the incognito mode trick on the next article.

It's in the jury's hands now.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1425 on: May 01, 2019, 08:08:19 PM »
Unfortunately it happened in California and not Florida, he’s probably fucked.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1426 on: May 01, 2019, 08:11:25 PM »
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A lot has gone down in SF recently so it looks like I, and probably other pals, are out of free looks at the Chronicle. Can anyone tell us what happened in the case? I'm guessing it's on to the sentencing phase but I hate guessing.
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i was out of free looks as well, but was able to access the article by clicking through the link on the author’s twitter account

https://twitter.com/EvanSernoffsky/status/1123747131414798339?s=20

Vicious assault or self-defense? San Francisco jury to decide skateboarder’s fate


Jesse Vieira either callously smashed a security guard in the head with his skateboard and fists, leaving the man with a fractured skull and severe brain injury, or he was defending himself when the guard charged at him in a clash last year in San Francisco’s Financial District.

Attorneys in the case sparred over what the multiple videos of the encounter showed in the two-week trial that came to a close on Wednesday, leaving the San Francisco Superior Court jury to deliberate the fate of the 24-year-old defendant.

Vieira — a star skateboarder originally from Stockton — is charged with assault with a deadly weapon, assault with force likely to commit great bodily injury and battery with serious bodily injury in the Nov. 25 run-in that left Dan Jansen, 57, with a crater in his head that will forever impede his basic functioning.

The altercation happened as Jansen set up barricades around 555 California Street, a plaza at the foot of the 52-story skyscraper that once housed Bank of America’s headquarters. The place is known to skaters as Black Rock. Vieira and six other men were skateboarding at the plaza that day, some moving the metal barriers, before things escalated and ended with Jansen striking the back of his head on the hard granite paving.

Assistant District Attorney Blair Pickus compared the skateboarders to “a swarm of bees or a pack of wolves” who, he said, instigated things. Jansen was shoved to the ground by another skater moments before Vieira hurled Jansen’s radio at him, prosecutors said.

The security guard then got up and moved toward Vieira, who landed the devastating blows and left Jansen unconscious, prosecutors said. The seven men then took off.

“Entitled, self-important, disrespectful,” Pickus said in his closing argument. “Putting his own personal gain above the safety and well-being of Dan Jansen. That was the defendant Jesse Vieira. When literally push came to shove, it was the defendant who turned to his old trusty skateboard to get out of the situation.”

Vieira’s attorney, Doug Rappaport, argued that his client hit Jansen only after the security guard charged him. Rappaport played a video recorded by one of the young men in the group that he said shows Jansen striking Vieira first.

“Dan Jansen lost his cool that day,” Rappaport said in his closing. “He saw red and he went after the smallest guy in the group. He was pissed, adrenaline was flowing through his body. He clocked him good, and we have it on video.”

What’s more, Vieira was simply spiking Jansen’s radio on the ground, not throwing it at him, Rappaport said. And before Jansen got up, Vieira was walking away, he said.

“He’s not an angel, but that doesn’t mean he’s committed a crime,” Rappaport said, adding that his client had no criminal record.

Police arrested Vieira after executing a search warrant at his home on Dec. 10. He sat quietly in court Wednesday, wearing a dark blue sweater and collared shirt.

The case has drawn wide attention in the skateboarding community in the Bay Area and beyond. Vieira is a member of the well-known GX1000 crew that gained fame for its daring hill bombs and breathtaking tricks on the streets of San Francisco. He’s listed as a team member for Pizza skateboard company and was featured on the August cover of Thrasher magazine, grinding down a staircase railing at the Powell BART Station.

Around 30 fellow skateboarders and friends have packed the courtroom gallery every day of the trial and each previous court hearing, while Vieira remains in custody in San Francisco Jail. Vieira’s supporters declined to speak with The Chronicle after court.

Last week, fellow GX1000 crew member Pablo Ramirez, known as Pspliff to his friends and on social media, was struck and killed while hanging onto a dump truck — “skitching” as it’s called — after leaving the trial for the afternoon recess on April 23. His death devastated the group, who cried and embraced each other as they learned of the tragedy and gathered at the scene four blocks from the courthouse.

Vieira’s friends this week watched intently as attorneys laid out their arguments in the case. Most of the evidence came in the form of four videos that showed different angles of the run-in — including the key video shot by the skateboarder. The attorneys also played police body-camera footage and 911 calls, and called various witnesses before questioning Vieira himself on the witness stand.

As the case has progressed in court, Jansen has been going through a slow and agonizing recovery. Doctors put him into a medically induced coma after he suffered a spiderweb-type fracture in the back of his skull and bleeding in the brain.

Surgeons removed part of his skull and frontal lobe in order to cauterize a wound in his brain and save his life. He’s since undergone two more brain surgeries and after recovering slightly, he’s begun to regress, his niece, Amanda Jansen, said.

Dan Jansen still can’t walk and is just starting to recognize some family members who visit him at an assisted living facility where he has live-in care. A former soldier in the Army and avid fisherman, Jansen faces a long road ahead. It’s not clear if he will be able to care for himself ever again, his family said.

“The impact of this is devastating,” Amanda Jansen said. “It’s really hard. My uncle’s life as he knew it is over.”

Evan Sernoffsky is a San Francisco Chronicle staff writer. Email: [email protected] Twitter: @EvanSernoffsky

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1427 on: May 01, 2019, 08:31:10 PM »
this dudes on pizza?
What kind of mikey taylor logic is this?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1428 on: May 01, 2019, 08:40:41 PM »
The article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1429 on: May 01, 2019, 08:45:12 PM »
I don’t know much about juries (I did see twelve angry men as someone mentioned) but I don’t know that them thinking of you as a 20 something skateboarder works in your favor on average, let alone that being a major part of the circumstance you are there on trial.  Gotta think he’s going away for some time.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1430 on: May 01, 2019, 08:45:43 PM »
The article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.
And 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it too



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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1431 on: May 01, 2019, 10:14:21 PM »
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The article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.
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And 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it too

in one of the first news clips, they talk about having HD footage, might be his.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1432 on: May 02, 2019, 12:18:11 AM »
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The article says 4 different videos were shown. I bet they got ahold of ryan g's footage.
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And 2 other phone angles? Either that or maybe Otto filmed it too
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in one of the first news clips, they talk about having HD footage, might be his.

Can confirm that it’s ryan g’s footage, heard it in passing at the top of twin peaks today.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1433 on: May 02, 2019, 04:19:55 AM »
Can't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.

Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1434 on: May 02, 2019, 04:27:05 AM »
Can someone post a link to the footage of the attack? Can't find the original clip anywhere anymore

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1435 on: May 02, 2019, 04:42:46 AM »
Can't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.

Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control

Regardless of what happened, when the other person has half his head missing it will be viewed as excessive force, which most likely wasnt necessary. Was it sa fight to death? If yes, Jesse must have scars and bruises that will justify his act.

Since this has made the news, imagine some asshole pull a gun on you or even shoot at you because hes afraid to get his head bashed in. Dudes like dipshit Jesse are the reason why some people hate skaters.

Jails are full of idiots like him "i couldnt let it slide, he as disrespecting me etc" who are doing football numbers because their fake pride got in the way. Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1436 on: May 02, 2019, 07:45:43 PM »
Next court date is Monday the sixth now. So did they find him guilty, and it's sentencing Monday, or does the jury know they aren't arriving at an agreed verdict anytime soon?   
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1437 on: May 02, 2019, 07:49:08 PM »
Next court date is Monday the sixth now. So did they find him guilty, and it's sentencing Monday, or does the jury know they aren't arriving at an agreed verdict anytime soon?
maybe the judge is off tomorrow. if sentencing were to be postponed it would be longer than a wknd.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1438 on: May 03, 2019, 04:57:50 AM »
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Can't imagine the jury's decision to favor Jesse in any way. The way they're gonna view it is that the skaters were being assholes, kept instigating the situation and when the security guard finally lost his cool they answered with full force while having a significant physical advantage in the first place. It's far from self defense. Should've just given up on the spot and leave at that point. To the general public, this type of behavior would be somewhat understandable from a group of 14yr olds, not grown men in their mid 20s.

Sucks for Jesse because I doubt that he's a bad person, but imo if you knowingly put yourself in that situation over and over again, it's your responsibility to make the right move when things start to escalate out of control
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Regardless of what happened, when the other person has half his head missing it will be viewed as excessive force, which most likely wasnt necessary. Was it sa fight to death? If yes, Jesse must have scars and bruises that will justify his act.

Since this has made the news, imagine some asshole pull a gun on you or even shoot at you because hes afraid to get his head bashed in. Dudes like dipshit Jesse are the reason why some people hate skaters.

Jails are full of idiots like him "i couldnt let it slide, he as disrespecting me etc" who are doing football numbers because their fake pride got in the way. Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.

why a 2 week trial when papo has everything figured out ?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1439 on: May 03, 2019, 05:16:41 AM »
Now hes in jail around real tough guys. Oh the irony.

That is ironic.
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