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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #690 on: January 09, 2019, 06:26:49 AM »
SECURITY CANNOT INITIATE force. Obviously because they weren’t moving and pushed him when he grabbed their board he can use force because that’s not initiating. Holy fuck I’m speaking in general terms now because it’s not something I’m totally familiar with and their are security guards probably lurking this topic that are going to go ham on kids in defense that this dude was attacked

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #691 on: January 09, 2019, 06:33:33 AM »
Are you trying to say that if I’m skateboarding on businesses property that the security guard can attack me without warning?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #692 on: January 09, 2019, 06:55:49 AM »
That group synergy. Societal losers who think theyre hard always act negative in a group to opposition. None of those dudes would be fuckin with gaurds like that if they were alone, same as all the shit in videos. Think, jesse could of just left and gone frauded thousands of dollars and face less time if caught. But no, yall wanted to fuck with a damn security gaurd like a child. Straight dumbass shit. That whole group is dumb. 

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #693 on: January 09, 2019, 07:31:47 AM »
i feel like this type of incident happens more often that we know. In my home town a few dudes were out skating street spots at some warehouse businesses. A guard came out hot and a fight ensued. the group of skaters fucked the guard up and one of the skaters truck bashed the guard in the head. They all got arrested a day or two later. There was minimal jail time, but a long probation and community service time. because it was a first offense and the guard didnt have lifelong injuries the guys got off with fairly lite sentence considering they jumped a guy on private property and sent him to the hospital. We only heard about the blackrock incident because its high profile involving pro skaters and filmers and made the news. I think JV is going down hard tho and the judge is going to make an example of this case since its in the public eye

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #694 on: January 09, 2019, 07:58:31 AM »
The GX1000 crew were out filming skateboarding at a blown out SF hotspot.
They were were almost certain the day would end with stacking clips. 

But as they were skating, confrontation reared it's ugly head.

- Yo, You can't skateboard here!

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The crew heard the comment and had a simple choice to make: Listen to what the man had said and go skate somewhere else, or stay at black rock and "KEEP IT REAL."
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #695 on: January 09, 2019, 08:32:43 AM »
i feel like this type of incident happens more often that we know. In my home town a few dudes were out skating street spots at some warehouse businesses. A guard came out hot and a fight ensued. the group of skaters fucked the guard up and one of the skaters truck bashed the guard in the head. They all got arrested a day or two later. There was minimal jail time, but a long probation and community service time. because it was a first offense and the guard didnt have lifelong injuries the guys got off with fairly lite sentence considering they jumped a guy on private property and sent him to the hospital. We only heard about the blackrock incident because its high profile involving pro skaters and filmers and made the news. I think JV is going down hard tho and the judge is going to make an example of this case since its in the public eye
This incident isnt high profile because of the skaters and filmers, it's high profile because the security guard DOES have lifelong injuries unlike the incident you stated. A part of his brain and skull are missing and he does not recognize his own family and friends.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #696 on: January 09, 2019, 09:22:41 AM »
don't know if it makes any difference, but the part of his skull is missing because it's been removed to relieve pressure on the swollen brain, not because dude bashed it in.

a buddy of mine was black out drunk and acting a fool at some 24 hour restaurant, somebody asked him to leave and being drunk, he started fighting the guy, guy knocked my homie out and he fell straight back onto his skull. my buddy goes into a coma for like 3 months, part of his skull is temporarily removed just like Dan's in the pic, just so his brain doesn't press up against it and damage itself any more. Doctors told us all this stuff about how he wouldn't remember any of us and how he'd need assistance for the rest of his life or might have limited brain function, he was hazy for a few months after waking up, slurred speech and shit but he pulled through and is like 100 percent good now. Though he has seizures like once or twice a year now, though idk if its because of his injury or his continued drug intake (shrooms, weed, nothing heavy). Real shitty part is doctor tells him he lopped off a good 10 years from his life expectancy.

This whole SF situation is heavy as hell, huge bummer for all involved. Guess point I'm trying to make is that nobody had to be especially brutal to give someone life threatening injuries, guy just had to fall in the right way. I think its dumb to call for Jesse's head in some macho Republican bootlicker kinda way which seems to be the sentiment from a lotta people in this thread. But the dude did the crime, I'm sure he's prepared to do the time. I haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts  outright defend their homie or their actions.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #697 on: January 09, 2019, 09:42:41 AM »
I haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.

matt finley just posted this on his instagram story



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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #698 on: January 09, 2019, 11:17:04 AM »
Are you trying to say that if I’m skateboarding on businesses property that the security guard can attack me without warning?

Yo. I've owned and operated a security company in the bay area for the last 3 years. Security guards should not attack anybody without warning, that would be rediculous. You can say that a security guards parameters are tertiary; operating under company policy, then law ( state and federal ) as they apply to criminal court, and civil court. Most companies employ a conservative use of force policy ( for liability sake ). Observe and report, de-escalation and avoidance ( as it pertains to conflict ). These policies however reflect an ideological set of circumstances, and differ greatly from what a security guard is capable of doing as it pertains to criminal court. In criminal court the prosecutor has to prove the defendant ( in this case, security guard ) went beyond a reasonable doubt in breaking the law.
  For instance, if a security guard is dealing with 2 skateboarders ( refusing to leave ) from her property ( which is gated ) and she decides to confiscate their skateboards ( say to throw em over the fence ) and the two guys both start grabbing on their boards ( obstructing her gait by virtue ) and she decides to Pepper spray them. Upon getting sprayed they run off, dude fractures his wrist on the way off the fence. Although this is a pretty contentious situation: She would most likely do fine in criminal court via private property laws, justifiable use of force doctrine, etc.
   This isnt to say that she acted within the parameters provided by her company, and perhaps one could settle in civil court because It is only the preponderance of the evidence required.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #699 on: January 09, 2019, 11:42:03 AM »
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I haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.
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matt finley just posted this on his instagram story


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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #700 on: January 09, 2019, 11:53:30 AM »
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I haven't really seen any of the GX dudes or accounts outright defend their homie or their actions.
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matt finley just posted this on his instagram story


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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #701 on: January 09, 2019, 01:11:19 PM »
Worth repeating, Matt Finley is an idiot. Completely clueless idiot.

Also worth repeating what someone else mentioned, some of you bad ass, modern day "skate outlaws" in this thread would feel a hell of a lot different if that was your old man laid up in the hospital bed with a caved skull and couldn't even remember your name. I hope Jesse Viera rots in a shithole cell for a long time. "Oh but he didn't mean to do it!" Well of course he didn't! There are millions of dudes doing bids that "didnt mean to do it".

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #702 on: January 09, 2019, 01:57:58 PM »
Ryan G rules and is absolutely caring

I'm sure you're right in 99.9% of instances of dude, but the video of the incident does not show that, and in fact, shows otherwise
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #703 on: January 09, 2019, 02:19:23 PM »
Well duh. He was probably trying to film it long lense.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #704 on: January 09, 2019, 02:31:45 PM »
any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #705 on: January 09, 2019, 03:18:07 PM »
any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
He went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He  will stand trial not sure when though

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #706 on: January 09, 2019, 03:27:30 PM »
Are you trying to say that if I’m skateboarding on businesses property that the security guard can attack me without warning?

you really think these happy-slappers didn't get a single warning from the security dude or how dumb are you exactly

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #707 on: January 09, 2019, 03:29:40 PM »
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He went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He  will stand trial not sure when though
thats gotta suck rotting in county jail

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #708 on: January 09, 2019, 03:51:31 PM »
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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
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He went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He  will stand trial not sure when though
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thats gotta suck rotting in county jail
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #709 on: January 09, 2019, 03:53:23 PM »
what you don't think rotting in jail sucks?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #710 on: January 09, 2019, 04:13:42 PM »
any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/


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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #711 on: January 09, 2019, 04:57:02 PM »
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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/



I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #712 on: January 09, 2019, 05:05:28 PM »
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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/


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I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.


Maybe jenkem. I mean , they did write about the neal hendrix thing.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #713 on: January 09, 2019, 05:52:29 PM »
what you don't think rotting in jail sucks?

He's probably getting laid a lot.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #714 on: January 09, 2019, 06:17:50 PM »
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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?
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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/


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I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #715 on: January 09, 2019, 06:52:33 PM »
Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #716 on: January 09, 2019, 06:57:59 PM »
While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #717 on: January 09, 2019, 06:59:14 PM »
Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.
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« Reply #718 on: January 09, 2019, 07:07:57 PM »
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #719 on: January 09, 2019, 07:12:47 PM »
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While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.
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I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)
Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.
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