Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[nopes]

The old guy shouldn’t have fallen down if he didn’t want to be punched while on the ground. It’s self defense after all.

[Roast beef]

I'm not justifying but if you push a man holding a knife, you can't be shocked if he stabs you. Dudes shouldn't have hit him with the skateboard but if it was in his hand, it may have been instinctual and it took the likes of Steezy Christ to tell it to yall, you know nothings



You are a dick.

[Alan]

Expand Quote

Hate to agree with Steezus Christ but he said 'you never know if it's self defense or 'it can be instinctual to use a board as weapon if it's already in your hand.'
It's just a freak accident. Remember that disturbing footage of a troublemaker pushing people off his skateboard and then jumping on a girl's car? Her bf steps to him and he hits the bf with the trucks 2 or 3 times. Was kind of a popularly shared video at one point. That guy walked away [albeit on wobbly doe legs] so it's not unreasonable to have expected Dan Jensen to get up afterwards. I'm keeping my damn hands to myself after this one.

[close]

You and "zteezys christ" are wrong in this case. Saying anything that even remotely sounds like you are defending GX's actions is ignorant.

I also often resort to self defense when I'm in a group and we're kicking the life out of one guy lying on the ground.

[DannyDee]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.

[close]

[close]

on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.

[close]

Except, in this case, it pretty easily was.

[close]

Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
 

[close]

Jesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.

[close]

Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.

But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).

I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.

Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.

Seriously, he's paid to get skaters and trespassers to leave the property. I doubt cops are responding quickly. And, I doubt anythig close to this happening has happened in his 10 years working Black Rock. I'm sure he asked/told them a bunch of times before he resorted to grabbing one of their boards (which I wouldn't call aggression). So, trying to grab the board from one person still skating the spot, makes it an attack on 8 people?

Out of everyone involved, he had by far the least amount of chance to change what happened. He was there doing his job, the skaters could have left to one other spot. They live in the area, this isn't like they were in a spot for one day trying to get one trick at a specific spot (not that, that would excuse what happened).

GX1000 or at least Jesse Vieira and the other dudes are 100% in the wrong. And, trying to defend it by saying "well he grabbed their board" as the first act of aggression is ridiculous. If grabbing property is the first act of aggression in your eyes, isn't moving the barricades he's trying to put up qualify long before he grabbed a board?

[thebaggy]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.

[close]

[close]

on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.

[close]

Except, in this case, it pretty easily was.

[close]

Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
 

[close]

Jesse had ample time to leave the situation before it evolved into what it became. That isn't some quick thing that became unavoidable. How long do you think Dan was out there asking them to leave, and putting up barricades. That is a completely avoidable situation. The only person this wasn't really avoidable for was Dan who was doing his job, and it appears that the biggest transgression was trying to confiscate a skateboard after people stayed skating and moving the barricades.

[close]

Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.

But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).

I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.

Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.

[close]

Seriously, he's paid to get skaters and trespassers to leave the property. I doubt cops are responding quickly. And, I doubt anythig close to this happening has happened in his 10 years working Black Rock. I'm sure he asked/told them a bunch of times before he resorted to grabbing one of their boards (which I wouldn't call aggression). So, trying to grab the board from one person still skating the spot, makes it an attack on 8 people?

Out of everyone involved, he had by far the least amount of chance to change what happened. He was there doing his job, the skaters could have left to one other spot. They live in the area, this isn't like they were in a spot for one day trying to get one trick at a specific spot (not that, that would excuse what happened).

GX1000 or at least Jesse Vieira and the other dudes are 100% in the wrong. And, trying to defend it by saying "well he grabbed their board" as the first act of aggression is ridiculous. If grabbing property is the first act of aggression in your eyes, isn't moving the barricades he's trying to put up qualify long before he grabbed a board?

Your absolutely right. We (as skateboarders) have fucking rediculous double standards.

[everythingisgreat]

Everyone shut the fuck up

It was a really unfortunate situation

There are potential wrong doings on both ends, albeit maybe one more than the other

Unless you were there, don’t feel justified in anything you say

Snowflakes

[SkateChimney]

Expand Quote

They was fighting security in the Polar video and ya'll didn't get this feisty then

[close]

Did they bash someone's head in where part of his skull and brain were removed and he can no longer remember who his family is?

No, but the fiesty-meter was still clocking in at a big fat zero

[Tuff Lover]

"I saw 'Kids' when i was a kid...I've seen what the fuhkin' happens when you swing a skateboard at someone ." -Steezus

Hitting someone with a board usually doesn't do a ton of damage, unlike a baseball bat

[halpmeimbleddin]

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[halpmeimbleddin]

also, anyone got a link to the security camera footage?? seems it was taken down a few days ago during jesse's trial, cant find it anywhere

[Donald Rump]

Hitting someone with a board usually doesn't do a ton of damage, unlike a baseball bat

You ain't seen the Union vid then? It's not the board is the trucks that cause damage.

In this case I think it's being sucker punched and hitting his head. Fuck these kooks.

[SlapRhaters]

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

Glad you're getting a laugh out of this, you piece of garbage.

lol its just funny that this guys job was as simple as guarding a place and he couldn't even do it right, good thing this guy wasn't a cab driver he might have ran over 30 people before crashing head first into the steeling wheel.

[thebaggy]

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

You are an idiot asshole.

[Donald Rump]

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[halpmeimbleddin]

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

Glad you're getting a laugh out of this, you piece of garbage.

lol cant tell if youre trolling or serious..
just laughing moreso at the fact a billion dollar financial corp has shit-tier security that just falls over and knocks themselves out, can't even fend off a group of skaters. stop being so overly sensitive about situations you know nothing about. none of us have any of the details to know what exactly happened that day and why it happened.

[halpmeimbleddin]

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

[nasalcrilltobackpaddle]

Cruised by there today, Black Rock is as blown out as Jesse Vieira's butthole right now

[thebaggy]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[close]

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

You are a pussy. Guaranteed

[Tuff Lover]

[/quote]

You ain't seen the Union vid then? It's not the board is the trucks that cause damage.

In this case I think it's being sucker punched and hitting his head. Fuck these kooks.
[/quote]

No i haven't seen the union video. Post a link if u want....

I've seen people hit with boards/trucks and I've also seen a person hit in the head with a baseball bat....the latter was gruesome with a seizure and all kinds of blood the former was sometimes bloody.

[Donald Rump]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[close]

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies

[tkp]

also, anyone got a link to the security camera footage?? seems it was taken down a few days ago during jesse's trial, cant find it anywhere

https://twitter.com/nbcjeanelle/status/1081003009847418882

[halpmeimbleddin]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[close]

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

[close]

I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies

again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)

[Donald Rump]

You ain't seen the Union vid then? It's not the board is the trucks that cause damage.

In this case I think it's being sucker punched and hitting his head. Fuck these kooks.
[/quote]

No i haven't seen the union video. Post a link if u want....


I've seen people hit with boards/trucks and I've also seen a person hit in the head with a baseball bat....the latter was gruesome with a seizure and all kinds of blood the former was sometimes bloody.
[/quote]

I don't know if it's up anywhere but in Union Wheels Right to Skate vid after the credits stop rolling it shows a dude get obliterated from behind by a deck. I think they were euro dudes. But yes, I would say a baseball bat would be a lot more destructive.

[Prison Wallet]

Fuck GX. Fucking with homeowners/security is part of the schtick they market. I'm sure they escalated shit to the next level because they camera was out.

I loved the vids but in hindsight the popularity of the vids no doubt enabled the next level bullshit behavior.

[halpmeimbleddin]

Fuck GX. Fucking with homeowners/security is part of the schtick they market. I'm sure they escalated shit to the next level because they camera was out.

I loved the vids but in hindsight the popularity of the vids no doubt enabled the next level bullshit behavior.

fucking with homeowners/security has been part of skating culture for a long fuckin time lmao. longer then some of these dudes in gx have been alive.

[billy.pepperidge]

Come on ya'll, GX didn't start the fire. Good fight circa 2:20 that owes more to Jim Greco's hijinks than GX and precedes it by 10 yrs.

[Donald Rump]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[close]

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

[close]

I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies

[close]

again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)

You are right, I don't know the whole story, only the people there know. Just not a good look with everyone rushing in.. ultimately the poor security guy is the one who got fucked up.

From the security footage it looked to me like a few of the runners in were coming in as combatants but I could be wrong..

[halpmeimbleddin]

Come on ya'll, GX didn't start the fire. Good fight circa 2:20 that owes more to Jim Greco's hijinks than GX and precedes it by 10 yrs.

exactly. these type of security vs skater fights have been happening forever. slap forums is the last place i would expect to have to say this.

[halpmeimbleddin]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

when did skaters start supporting security guards over other skaters?? what dimension have i stepped into?

i feel bad for dude, dont get me wrong... but theres no way the fight started over something like him grabbing the board or kicking them out. im sure the guard said something fucked or that theres more to this at least. AND, the actual injury that fucked this dude wasnt from them slamming the board on his head, it was from dude falling and smacking his head on the ground. quite the security guard they got there lmao.

there may have been around 8 of them as yall are saying, but the actual fight seemed like 1vs1 with the rest just being there.

guard shouldve called the cops if he was repeatedly telling them to leave with no success.

[close]

What is this? Some GX idiots posting up here now

[close]

not affiliated with gx, not even on the west coast. ill take that as a compliment tho, dudes are gnarly as fuck. been lurking for years, just never felt the need to post on slap until seeing some of these fags like you defending rent a cops. sure as hell aint how things used to be.

[close]

I'd rather back rent a cops then skaters that act like fuckwits. One dude and everyone runs in.. bunch of pansies

[close]

again, you dont know the whole story so why speak on it? how were they acting like fuckwits? they were skating a spot after being told to leave. YEAH, gx are TOTALLY the first ones to ever do such a terrible thing. and when you say "everyone runs in", what do you mean? they sure as fuck didnt all start beating on the dude.. thats just false. it was 1 on 1. if anything, some of the other guys were trying to stop jesse (assuming thats who made the punch that knocked the guard down)

[close]

You are right, I don't know the whole story, only the people there know. Just not a good look with everyone rushing in.. ultimately the poor security guy is the one who got fucked up.

From the security footage it looked to me like a few of the runners in were coming in as combatants but I could be wrong..

at least my take on that security camera footage... looks like security tries taking person #1's board. #1 tries yanking his board back. after trying to yank board back.. security then starts grabbing, pushing and kicking #1, ends up falling down to the ground during that scuffle... thats when person #2 (jesse?) butts in throwing a bunch while hes on the ground. security gets back up and goes after person #2 that threw the punch.. looking like security then punches or attacks #2 back. person #2 then pushes him to the ground while others pull #2 back trying to end the fight.

that final push to the ground is where the guard seems to have had this bad injury, not any of the scuffling or punches prior to that. the guards main crucial injury was smacking his head on the concrete when he fell to the ground. maybe i just can't see it, but i see absolutely nobody attacking him with a skateboard. just them playing tug-o-war with it. thats just my observation though, which is irrelevant. if gx really does have it on film, it might give a better idea of what really happened.. hard to tell from that angle and that shit quality. to me, the audio is important too.. id like to hear the back and forth arguments that led to this being what it was.

[A.A]

Anyone remember when Skunk hit the security guy with his board? That didn't end well.