Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[augustmoon]

You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

[sharkin]

So whats the vibe like in SF right now with this making news, are cops fucking with skaters, is the general public talking shit ?

it's san francisco dude, no one gives a fuck about anything

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

Yes, I did fix some typos and I am completely comfortable in saying that. Is there a problem?

And BTW, again, Dela was the first person to lay his hands on someone else. End of story and go fuck yourself.

I'm done arguing this.

[fftc]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.

[augustmoon]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

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Yes, I did fix some typos and I am completely comfortable in saying that. Is there a problem?

And BTW, again, Dela was the first person to lay his hands on someone else. End of story and go fuck yourself.

I'm done arguing this.

good cause your argument is shit

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

OKAY. You’re right I’m blind and can’t come to a pragmatic conclusion based on obvious visual evidence. Also skateboarders reserve the right not follow the same rules that apply to the rest of society.

Good day and enjoy whatever fantasy world you live in.

[Ocelot]

Ending of the clip is so gross

Bunch of dudes in their 30s bombing away down a hill thinking they can just flee what they've done

The thud of that security guard hitting his head and the almost ragdoll like motion of both his arms falling by his side in unison is ghastly

[Beeker]

Why throw it in his vicinity then? You’re making up such lame excuses. It’s absurd.

He just watched the guard throw his friends board into the street, he walks over and the walkie falls off the guard directly to him, he decides to smash it. The easiest way to do that is to throw it onto the ground directly in front of himself. It happens to be near the guard, but as you can see in the video it wasn't done with intent to hurt the guard, it was done with the intent to smash the walkie. I'm not making excuses I'm explaining what the video is showing.

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

You can’t see who throws the radio so how can you assume their intent? All you can see is an old security guard who was shoved to the ground and then it get whipped right by where he is laying.

You can smash something by throwing it directly on the ground beneath your feet. The trajectory of the radio is far from the throwers body and towards that of the security guard. So to me it looks like that thing whizzed right by the same person who was just assaulted.

And even if he was just trying to smash the walkie? That seems very uncalled for. A sensible person who have checked their friend and told them to chill out and bounce.

[augustmoon]

I'm done arguing this.

[TheLurper]

It is too bad the consequences from this shit are just so gnarly. It is crazy how quickly a dumb ass fight over the desire to get a clip vs the desire to protect private property can turn into someone nearly being dead.

This whole incident seems like it is really similar to a one punch murder, which I imagine would bring up all the same emotions from the victim's family and from the offender.



One-punch deaths [are rare]. But it happens often enough that Gunson [, the medical examiner], without pause, is able to describe precisely how a sock to the face can end a life.

"They fall over backwards and they hit the back of their head," Gunson said. "They often end up having a skull fracture."

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2015/07/one-punch_killings_they_happen.html

[booty]

life comes at you fast and this video really illustrates that. one minute you're out enjoying yourself skating with the crew and the next, a serious incident has occurred leaving another person brain damaged and you in jail. reminds me of a friend who did 5 years in prison after being provoked into a bar fight out of nowhere. also makes me think of my numerous past run-ins with security and how things could have gone sideways like this real quick.

the security guard overstepped his boundaries here and you really can't deny that. his responsibility is to verbally request for people to leave the property. if that request isn't complied with then he should refer the situation to the local police - that's it. a security guard is not in a position of power or authority over a private citizen. it seems Jansen himself may have forgotten this - why else would you physically provoke a group of 10 by yourself? would he have pulled up on a group of 10 gangbangers and started grabbing their personal property and throwing it in the street?

furthermore, this incident was clearly not pre-meditated in any way and was merely a reaction to the guard's act(s) of aggression which resulted in an unfortunate accidental outcome. they obviously did not start skating the property with the intent to seriously injure the guard. we also do not know the existing dynamic between this guard and the skate community. certainly they have encountered each other before - was this an ongoing contentious scenario?

anyhow, I'm sure every person involved here wishes they could roll back time and walk away to live another day in health and freedom.

Well said. Guard should have called the cops. Regardless of any ongoing disputes with any skaters or whatever happened in the 15 minutes before the incident, this man should not have put himself in harms way with any group of men that outnumbered him. He more than likely stepped outside of the boundaries of what his employer was insured to allow him to do. Don't know what we might not have heard before Dela pushed the guy down. If the guard was verbally threatening Dela then he may have acted in self defense but otherwise Dela committed simple assault.

[slobplant]

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I'm done arguing this.

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continues to argue..

[Tuff Lover]

It's interesting the different things people take away from seeing both videos in combination.

I saw the guard move the barrier into place just in time to stop DeLa from doing a trick on private property. His skateboard fell to the ground then Jansen tossed the board. DeLa hopped of the ledge and pushed the guard who swung (possibly connecting) then fell whilst grappling with DeLa. As the camera operator is offering a hand -which Jansen declines- to Jansen an object is seen bouncing and sliding past Jansen. This is about when Chico is seen walking in the background....Jansen gets up and goes after the dude who smashed his radio. Jansen grabs Vieira as he's picking up his board. The board falls when another dude steps-in then Jansen falls to the ground his arms go up stiff in the knocked out position as soon as his head hits the ground. Chico throws down his board and is the 1st person pushing his way out of there and the camera operator is suggesting calling an ambulance....

That's what i think i saw. As far as charges, trials, legalities, liabilities etc, I'm no lawyer so idk...i don't think the assault with a weapon charge will hold up at all...criminal trespass, destruction of private property, maybe assault charged to DeLa (and Jansen 😮), maybe criminal negligence to all the skaters who where physically involved would hold-up in court. *** I'm not saying Chico should be charged with anything; i just put him in the timeline because his appearance was caught in the dissection, yet, other details don't seem as scrutinized***

I don't think they can change Vieira's charges at this point (double jeopardy?)


it was a series of unfortunate events but someone is gonna have to pay money. Hopefully, it's only insurance companies

[Tuff Lover]

They all should've been wearing helmets

[heavy metal harvey]

They all should've been wearing helmets

well at least one person involved is gonna be wearing a helmet for a long time

[roba]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

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He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.

he started the confrontation by tossing the skateboard

[Tuff Lover]

***🎶The same things that can make you laugh can make you cry 🎶***

[wurfnnjs]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

[close]

lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

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He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
HTH.

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he started the confrontation by tossing the skateboard

Confrontation would have ended there if the skaters had picked up their board and left.

[Dark Knight]

Some motherfuckers are like Zaitoichi over here.

[offkilter]

Dela was the first to make physical contact, and on some level the security guard’s fight or flight response is going to kick in. Moving the barriers, throwing the board, they both play a part but I don’t think they are really that relevant to the outcome. Neither of those things would make someone assume they are in real physical danger. In the same sense, Jesse throwing the walkie talkie doesn’t warrant the guard attacking him, although the guard’s adrenaline is going to prevent him from thinking clearly and it’s understandable why he did. I don’t really think either Jesse (acting in self defense, assuming the throwing of the device isn’t a physical threat) or the guard (ultimately stepping outside of his job duties, but on a biological level acting in fight-or-flight) are at fault. To me Dela is the main culprit and fuck-head in this situation, but I have no clue how the law works.

[Ocelot]

***🎶The same things that can make you laugh can make you cry 🎶***

larry graham from sly and the family stone invented slapping the bass for those who don't know

[woodsman]

Have any of you nerds ever skated black rock? Nope. Fucking rentacop backers don’t understand going around and coming around and breaking some wood. 🥊🛹

[Shifty Flip]

Have any of you nerds ever skated black rock? Nope. Fucking rentacop backers don’t understand going around and coming around and breaking some wood. 🥊🛹

So good and so bad at the same time.

[Painted Baby]

Some motherfuckers are like Zaitoichi over here.

This whole thing is now basically Rashomon.

[CHONGO]

slap getting shine from the new york times

[Slappadabass]

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

got it

[close]

Yes, I did fix some typos and I am completely comfortable in saying that. Is there a problem?

And BTW, again, Dela was the first person to lay his hands on someone else. End of story and go fuck yourself.

I'm done arguing this.

Just give up. You’re wrong. You lost the argument. It’s okay to be a loser sometimes 

[Slappadabass]

It is too bad the consequences from this shit are just so gnarly. It is crazy how quickly a dumb ass fight over the desire to get a clip vs the desire to protect private property can turn into someone nearly being dead.

This whole incident seems like it is really similar to a one punch murder, which I imagine would bring up all the same emotions from the victim's family and from the offender.



One-punch deaths [are rare]. But it happens often enough that Gunson [, the medical examiner], without pause, is able to describe precisely how a sock to the face can end a life.

"They fall over backwards and they hit the back of their head," Gunson said. "They often end up having a skull fracture."

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2015/07/one-punch_killings_they_happen.html

Don’t be a security guard then if you can’t handle the risks involved.. especially a guard of a financial institute.. what if it was an armed robbery? Dude can’t even handle a group of skaters ffs. Security guard is just shitty at his job, can’t fight worth shit, and doesn’t really know the extent of his jobs responsibility and what he can legally do. Him working a job he’s not qualified for is prob the first issue.

[Rutger Hauer]

Why I keep seeing from both tapes that the security guard trips on Viera's board that is on the ground? Does someone else see that too?

What an awful mess. I wish positive things and strength to everyone involved.
I'm sure they're all good people, all of them are very much loved by their closed ones.

This situation got totally out of hand by both parties, ended like a nightmare and no one wanted it to go down like this.

Peace.

[BigWorm]

Very fucked situation...From what i saw watching GX's angle you can see Jansen in the middle of the sidewalk while Dela grinds into the barricade set up at the end of the ledge, his board falls to the ground and Jansen walks up and throws it toward the street. Dela pushes him and takes a step toward him like he is gonna attack again and gets hit with a left from Jansen. The walkie talkie falls down, they start to grapple and Jansen tries to kick Dela with his right leg which causes him to fall down. On the ground you can see Jansen attention directed at Jesse as he is throwing the walkie talkie down right next to him and he puts his hand up to try and deflect it from hitting him. He gets up and goes at Jesse and you can clearly see Jesse strike at him with his board in hand, looks like it grazes the top of Jansen head. One of the GX dudes tries to push Jansen away trying to get in between the scuffle and starts to grab Jesse and it looks like Jesse pushes Jansen one last time which causes him to fall back and hit his head.