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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1770 on: July 27, 2019, 01:49:02 PM »
In case you guys don't have a NY Times account, here's the recent article about the Black Rock incident. (The hero video at the top of the page includes the full cut of the second angle of the beating. Yikes.):

"Thrasher did not respond to requests for comment." So core!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html

The open area outside 555 California Street in San Francisco is known as Black Rock to skateboarders, who turned this otherwise unexceptional corporate plaza into a magnet for the sport beginning in the 1990s.

With its low, stone walls and steps lined with steel banisters, the plaza has served as an ideal stage for the skateboarding videos that proliferate on the internet, attracting skaters from across the region to a spot where skateboarding is prohibited.

In November, a group of skaters descended upon the plaza. Within minutes, a security guard who had worked at 555 California for 12 years, Dan Jansen, arrived to shoo them out, moving steel barriers in front of the area where the skaters wanted to do their tricks.

Just as quickly, skaters removed the barriers, and an increasingly tense show of force from both sides ensued. At one point, Jansen picked up a skateboard and tossed it into the street. That is when the situation turned violent. Within seconds, he was lying unconscious in a pool of his urine.

The confrontation was captured by a security camera a short distance away. The trauma to Jansen’s head caused his brain to swell, requiring emergency surgery to remove a part of his skull and frontal lobe. “All medical teams agreed that without surgery, this patient will die,” read one of Jansen’s health records. He was left with permanent brain damage.

Nearly nine months later, he still struggles with walking and recognizing family members.

For the skateboarding world, which for years has glorified disputes with security guards, the confrontation has resulted in collective soul-searching at a crucial moment, just a year before the sport’s Olympic debut at the 2020 Games in Tokyo. A sport that has long identified with rebellion is questioning whether its fascination with defiance is somehow responsible for forever changing the life of someone simply doing his job.

“I do hold those who glamorize confronting security — rather than just leaving the second we are asked, as 99 percent of skaters do — somewhat responsible for the behavior they depict and profit from,” said Mackenzie Eisenhour, a former editor of Transworld Skateboarding, which has featured videos of security confrontations on its website.

But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months.

A confrontation like the one at 555 California would never have happened had skateboarding not moved, beginning in the 1980s, away from the parks and ramps built for the sport. Skateboarding now largely exists in a legally hazy space where amateur and professional skateboarders use existing infrastructure for their own purposes. Skateboarders, photographers and filmers now scout locations to document their tricks, creating a world with its own code of behavior, including an unspoken prohibition against executing the same trick at the same location as a previous skater.

That code never addressed how to respond when security workers do their job. Some skateboarders choose to flee before anything escalates, but others engage, often making for compelling scenes of what goes into the act of creating these videos.

A clip posted to Thrasher magazine’s Instagram account days before Jansen was injured shows a skater crashing into a security guard not far from 555 California Street.

Jansen had dealt with skateboarders many times before. The previous day, a colleague had called the police because of a resistant group of them.

“There’s 10, 15 skateboarders on the property, on the sidewalk,” the colleague says on a recording. “And we’ve asked them to leave and they’re not, and it’s getting out of hand. ”

On Dec. 10, the police in San Francisco arrested Jesse Vieira, a professional skateboarder, in connection with the confrontation with Jansen. Vieira was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, assault with force likely to cause great bodily injury and battery with serious bodily injury.

He pleaded not guilty and claimed self-defense. In May, a jury deadlocked. Prosecutors have set a new court date for September.

A lawyer for Vieira, Doug Rappaport, said the altercation and Jansen’s injury were the result of a series of unfortunate events. He said Jansen overreacted in the heat of the moment.

“Everything just came to a head that day and he just lost his cool just for a split second and Jesse happened to be standing there,” Rappaport said. “It’s unfortunate for everybody, horrible for the security guard.”

Jansen’s family is less focused on the outcome of the trial than on his struggles with the injuries.

“What happens to Jesse doesn’t change anything,” Amanda Jansen said when asked how she felt after the mistrial.

Regardless of the outcome of the next trial, some important voices from within skateboarding are acknowledging that the sport needs to put the brakes on glorifying conflicts with security workers and get back to what Eisenhour described as “certain guidelines” that can minimize “the odds of conflict — and keeping the disruption to a minimum so the spot can still be used by others.”

If this case is an example, those guidelines may have broken down over time.

Brian Anderson, a longtime professional skateboarder and Thrasher’s 1999 skater of the year, said there were ways to head off a conflict.

“Sometimes there will be a security guard that’s like, ‘Hey you guys, I didn’t see you, you didn’t see me,’ and he or she will actually leave and you say thanks,” Anderson said.

Other times, skating involves moving from one place to the next to stay one step ahead of trouble.

“Treating those people with respect and walking away provides you with the opportunity to just feel better, feel good about yourself, but also you can most likely come back,” Josh Stewart, who makes films about the sport, said.

Since the inception of skateboarding, many skateboarders have sought the image of being rebels in an outlaw sport in which dodging security guards and the police goes with the territory. In the 1970s, skaters would find foreclosed homes and skate in their empty swimming pools, quickly fleeing if somebody came.

Once street skateboarding became dominant, videos that celebrated altercations with security guards, homeowners and pedestrians began to proliferate.

Neal Mims, a former professional skateboarder, said the rebellious side of skateboarding was always present. He said he did not like it because it was disrespectful to those outside the sport.

In a 1999 clip from the Transworld Skateboarding video “Feedback,” Mims nearly crashed into an oncoming security worker, and then got into a verbal altercation.

Mims, now a skateboarding coach, said skaters still recited the dialogue to him, though he was now ashamed of it. “The words, the language that I used, all is very disrespectful,” he said. “Pointing my finger in his face, telling him this ‘thing will annihilate you.’”

In 2018, around the time of the confrontation at 555 California Street, the skateboard shop and streetwear brand Supreme released a video called “Blessed.” In the final section of the video, the skateboarder Tyshawn Jones was shown trying to wrestle a security worker’s bicycle away from him and to tear barriers from a security worker’s hands in order to do his tricks. Later in 2018, Jones was crowned Thrasher’s skater of the year.

“I do believe that having Supreme, then Thrasher, elevate and glamorize that behavior to their highest rungs can lead to bad things as kids copy it in real life,” Eisenhour said. “To a degree, we are all guilty.”

Jones declined to comment. Thrasher did not respond to requests for comment.

For two weeks, there was no official word about who was involved at Black Rock, but the police suspected skateboarders, according to news reports. The security footage the police were using to identify suspects clearly showed a group of seven skateboarders.


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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1771 on: July 27, 2019, 02:15:21 PM »
At the end of the day, the GX dudes weren't supposed to be at black rock in the first place, and they knew that.

Nothing would have happened if they left after being asked to like adults. I've lived and skated in SF and security guards can be dicks but the best way to get them to not be dicks is to just keep it moving. Any time a situation like this arises it makes life harder for all of us trying to get out and skate in SF in particular but also generally.

So yeah, there are some arguments to be made about who is in the wrong once the conflict escalated but to be frank it never should have got to that point and I think most of us know that.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1772 on: July 27, 2019, 05:51:59 PM »
ok but then the topic changes to the "morality" of skating on private property at all

but really we should just abolish the whole notion of "private property" altogether ;)
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1773 on: July 27, 2019, 07:15:12 PM »

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1774 on: July 27, 2019, 08:24:19 PM »
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1775 on: July 28, 2019, 05:53:18 AM »
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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.
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lol, had to fix some typos, eh?  The security guard wouldn't be a vegetable if he didn't start a violent confrontation, and then continue to escalate that confrontation causing someone to have to defend himself. 

It's laughable that you think some scraping of a ledge and throwing of a walkie talkie somehow justifies this guy to initiate and escalate a violent confrontation that led to someone having to defend himself. 

"property rights" > a citizen's right to not be assaulted > a citizen's right to defend themself from said assault

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He didn't. He tossed a skateboard. Long hair started the violent confrontation.
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he started the confrontation by tossing the skateboard

i've had guards throw my board before, but if i were to start physically attacking them in response that's nobody's responsibility but mine.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1777 on: August 14, 2019, 10:52:32 AM »
https://abc7news.com/sf-security-guard-critically-hurt-in-attack/4768749/

This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (that’s us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.
fuck no, in my town we barely have any spots so when we do get kicked out its part of the fun to try to get one more try and fuck with the fat fuck security guard.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1778 on: August 14, 2019, 11:07:13 AM »
Jesus this is brutal

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating

It is already a one sided fight so no reason to use the fucking boards. Glad no one was killed. Fucking hell.

Edit: Also the article is very confusing.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1780 on: August 14, 2019, 11:36:19 AM »
Jesus this is brutal

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating

The frat boy's story is absurd. Unless there is a lot we aren't seeing, I can't believe how sympathetic the stories are for the frat boy and his friend who are in the middle of the street trying to get a physical conflict going.

"On my way to hug orphans, I ran into a group of young men riding their skateboards. They were having a lot of fun and I don't think they realized how close they came to me, so I politely stormed out into the middle of the street to join my friend who was already in the street gesturing that he wanted to fight the skaters, I got in one of their faces, balled up my fists, and softly reminded these young men to make sure they are being careful. Well, my polite note sent them into a rage and they brutal attacked me. I felt so helpless and I can't believe how easily a middle-class guy from suburbs can become a victim at the hands of these unruly skateboarders."

The frat boy looking dude, Brett Thompson, and his friend were in the middle of the street trying to get the skaters to fight them. Everyone should have walked away here, but Brett and his friend easily could have walked away. Cracking a dude with a board is fucked up, but this isn't a story of a guy just doing his job or getting jumped. It looks like a dude and his friend escalated things and were surprised with the results.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233967912.html
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1781 on: August 14, 2019, 11:49:48 AM »
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This shit is so fucking lame. Around the time this happened my friends and I were in the area skating, and the police stopped and detained us for an hour for questioning (that’s us in the news video). Police came by twice last night to question all skaters at The Island about the incident. IMHO this was bound to happen after Thr*sher and other media outlets repeatedly post videos (eg G*1000) with violent security encounters, only encouraging more of these incidents. This is some fuckboi shit and should not be allowed. As it stands now the block is very hot in SF for all skaters.
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fuck no, in my town we barely have any spots so when we do get kicked out its part of the fun to try to get one more try and fuck with the fat fuck security guard.
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1782 on: August 14, 2019, 02:15:12 PM »

The frat boy's story is absurd. Unless there is a lot we aren't seeing, I can't believe how sympathetic the stories are for the frat boy and his friend who are in the middle of the street trying to get a physical conflict going.

"On my way to hug orphans, I ran into a group of young men riding their skateboards. They were having a lot of fun and I don't think they realized how close they came to me, so I politely stormed out into the middle of the street to join my friend who was already in the street gesturing that he wanted to fight the skaters, I got in one of their faces, balled up my fists, and softly reminded these young men to make sure they are being careful. Well, my polite note sent them into a rage and they brutal attacked me. I felt so helpless and I can't believe how easily a middle-class guy from suburbs can become a victim at the hands of these unruly skateboarders."

The frat boy looking dude, Brett Thompson, and his friend were in the middle of the street trying to get the skaters to fight them. Everyone should have walked away here, but Brett and his friend easily could have walked away. Cracking a dude with a board is fucked up, but this isn't a story of a guy just doing his job or getting jumped. It looks like a dude and his friend escalated things and were surprised with the results.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233967912.html

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1783 on: August 14, 2019, 02:45:40 PM »
Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1784 on: August 14, 2019, 03:03:51 PM »
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1785 on: August 14, 2019, 03:21:41 PM »
No weapons to the head. Jesus.

That reporter sounded like he just sucked off a helium balloon.

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« Reply #1786 on: August 14, 2019, 03:57:18 PM »
Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?

you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1787 on: August 14, 2019, 04:10:58 PM »
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Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?
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you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men

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What flawed mental gymnastics did you use to cook that up? The conclusion in my example is the sum of it's parts. A+B=C, you're saying A alone=C...
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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1788 on: August 15, 2019, 12:39:06 AM »


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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1789 on: August 15, 2019, 12:46:07 AM »
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.

What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.

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« Reply #1790 on: August 15, 2019, 12:50:41 AM »
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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.
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What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.

Nobody loses half his skull by tripping over a fuking skateboard bro.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1791 on: August 15, 2019, 12:56:56 AM »
He fell and hit his head and we don't know how. So how did Jesse use excessive force?

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1792 on: August 15, 2019, 04:32:04 AM »
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Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?
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you know this joke infers that skateboarders like to be dommed by men

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What flawed mental gymnastics did you use to cook that up? The conclusion in my example is the sum of it's parts. A+B=C, you're saying A alone=C...

Lol, just stop

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1793 on: August 15, 2019, 01:02:56 PM »

jesus, you're regular

I'm kind of surprised how weak this response is. If you disagree or have a problem, maybe you want to actually explain why. That'll make things way more interesting.

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Now i understand why Thrasher didnt say shit. Either way it started, it was excessive force and not a fight to death where Jesse Vieira had no choice. Theres levels to this shit.
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What was? We don't even know if he pushed him, punched him, hit him with a board, or the guy just tripped on the skateboard.
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Nobody loses half his skull by tripping over a fuking skateboard bro.
People have died from slipping on orange peels but yeah go off bro

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1795 on: August 26, 2019, 08:56:56 PM »
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Imagine being a skateboarder and a bootlicker. How does that even work? You just like being dommed by men in uniform?
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What flawed mental gymnastics did you use to cook that up? The conclusion in my example is the sum of it's parts. A+B=C, you're saying A alone=C...

Right On! Not all skateboarders are bootlickers.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1796 on: August 26, 2019, 10:54:06 PM »
Jesus this is brutal

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/video-group-use-skateboards-in-downtown-beating

This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol

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« Reply #1797 on: August 27, 2019, 02:33:51 AM »

This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol

Who the fuck does that, what a bunch of stupid fucks.
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« Reply #1798 on: August 27, 2019, 04:57:57 AM »
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This shit is whack. Dudes are up like 5 men and are still using weapons? I would love to see a rehash of this if the victim had a pistol
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Who the fuck does that, what a bunch of stupid fucks.

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Re: Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock
« Reply #1799 on: August 27, 2019, 07:08:49 AM »
Probably the same losers that robbed Plus a couple months ago.