Wheelbase on your trucks

[munchbox]

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The big question though is, does that really equate? Since the trucks geometry and turning are so different. I'm not so sure getting a 1/4" smaller wb deck for Thunders has the impact we think it might...

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Defintely. Thunders on a 14" wb deck are not going to feel anything like Indy on a 14.25" wb. The only similarity would be the true wb measurement but there is much more to overall feel as you said. I think it would fuck with me less to just get used to my preferred truck on a different wb rather than switch trucks and go insane trying to make a setup feel like something it's not.

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Sage words here. People should listen to this. There's been a few pages here, and in the other trucks threads, about subbing out different trucks to get the same "feel" on different setups, it's straight up not going to work. At least beyond attaining a similar-ish true wheelbase measurement. If you break it into three things 1) truck's effect on wb, 2) how they turn/feel 3) how they pop, subbing one truck in place of another for a desired wheelbase is only going to satisfy one of those things, they're still going to feel absolutely fucked in how they pop and how they turn if you're used to a certain brand. Does not seem worth it.

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Same, I'm telling myself to stick to 1 brand of trucks (Thunders ATM) and ride the hell out of them while keeping my deck size similar with as few variations as possible. I don't skate tranny so turn isn't as critical for me, but WB and pop feel are correlated, WB will affect the triangle of pop. There are way too many variables once I start mixing in deck sizes, wheels and risers which causes me to spend more time setting up boards than riding them.

But the moment I fuck up 1 setup and am not feeling it, I'm swapping it out in a heartbeat. Time is too scarce to waste on non-viable setups.

thats a great idea actually. thunders arent perfect, but the definitely have worked for me and check almost all my boxes for requirements. pop feels natural, lightness makes things easier, and i fuck with the stability until its time for a twitchy turn. pros ride the same shit over and over for the same reason. looks like i should just stick with em and get better.

might just use the venture 6.1s for a slappy setup or until they die, just know that i cant recoup enough where its worth me selling

[hillbilly shifty]

hello fellow truck lovers
did some measurements of older stage indys on a true 14.25 wheelbase deck
Indy 149 stage V add 2.5", and come in at 16.75" on center axle to axle
Indy 149 stage VII add 3", and come in at 17.25" on center axle to axle
will take + post pics when time allows

[rocklobster]

Anyone know how Theeve CSX trucks affect WB? Going for a shorter WB on a slightly shorter board (just under 32") with a long WB (14.38"). I have a pair of Indy 139 Hollow Lights but I'm not really a fan of how they grind.

[Xen]

Anyone know how Theeve CSX trucks affect WB? Going for a shorter WB on a slightly shorter board (just under 32") with a long WB (14.38"). I have a pair of Indy 139 Hollow Lights but I'm not really a fan of how they grind.

They are tighter than Indy, around or tighter than ACE' WB.

I always run them on 8.3 WB.

[Firebert]

Anyone know how Theeve CSX trucks affect WB? Going for a shorter WB on a slightly shorter board (just under 32") with a long WB (14.38"). I have a pair of Indy 139 Hollow Lights but I'm not really a fan of how they grind.

Theeves pull your wb in about 1/4" compared to forged indys.

[ballintoohard]

I loved Ace 44 on a Polar with a 14.5in WB, however, I did not love the heft.  I have never been able to re-produce the feel on a smaller deck, mostly because I'd have to not use Ace to get the same WB. I like the Ace turn much more on long WB than short (have used them on as short as 14in) just like I prefer the Thunder turn on 14.25.

Anyways, I think what worked most was just the deck kick steepness/shape AND the relative WB. While Polar is BBS/Generator not all boards from them are the same. What brands have similar fingers of flat/steepness and kick shape?

[moonordie]

I loved Ace 44 on a Polar with a 14.5in WB, however, I did not love the heft.  I have never been able to re-produce the feel on a smaller deck, mostly because I'd have to not use Ace to get the same WB. I like the Ace turn much more on long WB than short (have used them on as short as 14in) just like I prefer the Thunder turn on 14.25.

Anyways, I think what worked most was just the deck kick steepness/shape AND the relative WB. While Polar is BBS/Generator not all boards from them are the same. What brands have similar fingers of flat/steepness and kick shape?

Primitive +-

[satan]

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I loved Ace 44 on a Polar with a 14.5in WB, however, I did not love the heft.  I have never been able to re-produce the feel on a smaller deck, mostly because I'd have to not use Ace to get the same WB. I like the Ace turn much more on long WB than short (have used them on as short as 14in) just like I prefer the Thunder turn on 14.25.

Anyways, I think what worked most was just the deck kick steepness/shape AND the relative WB. While Polar is BBS/Generator not all boards from them are the same. What brands have similar fingers of flat/steepness and kick shape?

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Primitive +-

There's also different molds. I'm pretty sure Primitive uses the mellow concave and it has mellower, symmetrical kicks. Think Baker mellow concave is the same. Baker steep concave seems like the mold Real uses but some ppl say DLX uses mellow concave too.

[rocklobster]

Hey truck nerds, need your help with identifying the baseplate on this truck:


I check the weight and height of the trucks off Tactics and they line up with the specs of the Indy 144 Standard:

https://www.tactics.com/independent/144-stage-11-silver-skateboard-trucks/silver-144

385g and 55mm in height.

The issue is with the baseplate, which I am not sure if this is a Forged or Cast baseplate. Palelight mentioned that cast baseplate adds 3", while the forged one adds 3.125". By the looks of the specs it should be a cast plate, but I'm getting the WB adjustment of a forged.

I bought these trucks to shrink my WB down for my current setup (Thunder 148), kinda bummed since the change in WB only went from 17.59 to 17.52, when I was looking more for a 17.3 to 17.4.

[satan]

Hey truck nerds, need your help with identifying the baseplate on this truck:


I check the weight and height of the trucks off Tactics and they line up with the specs of the Indy 144 Standard:

https://www.tactics.com/independent/144-stage-11-silver-skateboard-trucks/silver-144

385g and 55mm in height.

The issue is with the baseplate, which I am not sure if this is a Forged or Cast baseplate. Palelight mentioned that cast baseplate adds 3", while the forged one adds 3.125". By the looks of the specs it should be a cast plate, but I'm getting the WB adjustment of a forged.

I bought these trucks to shrink my WB down for my current setup (Thunder 148), kinda bummed since the change in WB only went from 17.59 to 17.52, when I was looking more for a 17.3 to 17.4.

Cast. Mounting pad part is thicker and I can see texture by the iron cross logo.

[rocklobster]

Thanks Satan, would the regular 144 Standard Raw shorten the WB? I was hoping for a 3" addition to WB, not a 3.125".



My other option would be to go with a 149 Standard, since that one is confirmed to just add 3"
I'll give them a try tomorrow to see how the setup feels, just popping around, no grinds, to see if the difference is noticeable.

[satan]

Cast should be consistent at 3" but I've measured nothing..
Shortened compared to forged? Yes

[rocklobster]

It's probably 3", didn't get a good measurement of the dims prior. Decided to be less of a baby and just skate.

Edit: it's 3", wish they were a little lower but the baseplate feels great for slides versus Thunders

[moonordie]

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Hey truck nerds, need your help with identifying the baseplate on this truck:


I check the weight and height of the trucks off Tactics and they line up with the specs of the Indy 144 Standard:

https://www.tactics.com/independent/144-stage-11-silver-skateboard-trucks/silver-144

385g and 55mm in height.

The issue is with the baseplate, which I am not sure if this is a Forged or Cast baseplate. Palelight mentioned that cast baseplate adds 3", while the forged one adds 3.125". By the looks of the specs it should be a cast plate, but I'm getting the WB adjustment of a forged.

I bought these trucks to shrink my WB down for my current setup (Thunder 148), kinda bummed since the change in WB only went from 17.59 to 17.52, when I was looking more for a 17.3 to 17.4.

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Cast. Mounting pad part is thicker and I can see texture by the iron cross logo.

Can confirm that, I had those.

[rocklobster]

Any trucks that add 3" with a light / hollow variant? Indy 144/149 fulfill the WB portion but I'm not a fan of how they pop.

[Sundaynuggets]

Anyone know anything about Destructo wheelbase?

[rocklobster]

Anyone know anything about Destructo wheelbase?

No ones got firm numbers yet, but I'm getting a pair of D2 mid Lite on Tuesday, looking forward to shed light on it soon.

From what I've gathered:
D1 - Indy like
D2 - Thunder like

[Sundaynuggets]

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Anyone know anything about Destructo wheelbase?

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No ones got firm numbers yet, but I'm getting a pair of D2 mid Lite on Tuesday, looking forward to shed light on it soon.

From what I've gathered:
D1 - Indy like
D2 - Thunder like

Gotcha, thanks!

[rocklobster]

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Anyone know anything about Destructo wheelbase?

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No ones got firm numbers yet, but I'm getting a pair of D2 mid Lite on Tuesday, looking forward to shed light on it soon.

From what I've gathered:
D1 - Indy like
D2 - Thunder like

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Gotcha, thanks!

Hopefully it hold up to Palelight's strict measurement methodology. Either way I'm stoked to give them a ride with a smaller setup.

[rocklobster]

Hey OP, can we add the Destructo D2 Lite Mid to the mix? It added 3.125" to a 14" deck.

[munchbox]

does thunder ti push wb out further than regular forged? im thinking no, but what do i know

[rocklobster]

does thunder ti push wb out further than regular forged? im thinking no, but what do i know

Measured part of my collection, here is what I got:

Theeve CSX V3 5.25 - 2.83"
Destructo D2 Lite Mid 5.25 - 3.125"
Thunder 148 Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder 147 Lights (Hollow Kingpin) - 3.26"
Venture 5.2 Low Hollow Light - 3.42"

The Thunder 148 Titanium were the biggest surprise, I thought we would be looking closer to 3.25"-ish

[munchbox]

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does thunder ti push wb out further than regular forged? im thinking no, but what do i know

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Measured part of my collection, here is what I got:

Theeve CSX V3 5.25 - 2.83"
Destructo D2 Lite Mid 5.25 - 3.125"
Thunder 148 Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder 147 Lights (Hollow Kingpin) - 3.26"
Venture 5.2 Low Hollow Light - 3.42"

The Thunder 148 Titanium were the biggest surprise, I thought we would be looking closer to 3.25"-ish

thats interesting and highly confusing at the same time. so many questions

just gonna chalk it up as a 0.1 difference before my mind starts racing

[Xen]

Measure my 8" Tensor ATGs mags

+3.125"

[hillbilly shifty]

149 Indy Stage V adds 2.5" to WB
makes sense w/ how Ace pulls in WB so much, since they used the early indy stages for their geometry inspiration.

[Kneesles]

Mini logo 8.38 +2.875, Bones hard bushings with indy replacement pivot cups, measured with the kingpin nut flush.
Krux k4 5.0 (8.5) +2.875, stock & cast baseplate

[backinaction]

Indy Stage 6:   +2.625
Indy Stage 7: +2.875
Mini Logo:  +2.875
Royal Inverted Kinpin: +2.94

[rocklobster]

Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

[munchbox]

Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

are the thunder titaniums 52mm tall or shorter than hollow lights?

[sadnocomply]

Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

Pretty sure it’s the same as the other forged ventures (3.5 or 3.4), just did a rough estimate with my handy ruler and was getting around 17.5 center to center on a 14 wb