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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #330 on: September 23, 2024, 11:24:40 PM »
Measuring from both sides and dividing by 2 is not as accurate as measuring from the centre of the truck at the middle of the axle. I'm pretty sure Venture forged is more than +3.25.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #331 on: September 24, 2024, 03:55:13 AM »
There is no way forged indys and cast thunders have the same WB.

Says it on the first post too.

Not trying to be a dick, but those are the trucks I most often swap between and thunders def have a longer WB.


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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #332 on: September 24, 2024, 04:55:42 AM »
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Gotta say I prefer working in mm to inches, maybe more because people tend to get rather confused with all the fractions and then can't easily convert them to decimal places when I talk about different measurements here in AU, compared to many of you in USA.

Sure it is 25.4 mm to an inch, so technically there can be more accuracy with 32 points, but even 1/32 = 0.03125 through 1/16 (2/32) = 0.0625 to 1/8 (4/32) = 0.125 or 1/4 (8/32) = 0.25 measurements are still going to confuse people.


Anyone had a bit of a go with measurements in mm only for those general truck options?

Eg

Indy cast at 0.0 mm

Indy forged at + 3 mm

Thunder cast at + 3.5 mm (yeah thunder sit out further than Indy forged on the metal edge cabinet, but not by much)

Venture cast at + 4.5 mm

Venture forged at + 6.5 mm


* Example only for reference, not actual measurements.  I might have to go and measure each of those and a few others, just to see and come back with all mm measurements if no one else has done it.

** Sorry to be a pain to anyone who is more used to doing everything in inches too.





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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #333 on: September 24, 2024, 08:48:50 AM »
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Gotta say I prefer working in mm to inches, maybe more because people tend to get rather confused with all the fractions and then can't easily convert them to decimal places when I talk about different measurements here in AU, compared to many of you in USA.

Sure it is 25.4 mm to an inch, so technically there can be more accuracy with 32 points, but even 1/32 = 0.03125 through 1/16 (2/32) = 0.0625 to 1/8 (4/32) = 0.125 or 1/4 (8/32) = 0.25 measurements are still going to confuse people.


Anyone had a bit of a go with measurements in mm only for those general truck options?

Eg

Indy cast at 0.0 mm

Indy forged at + 3 mm

Thunder cast at + 3.5 mm (yeah thunder sit out further than Indy forged on the metal edge cabinet, but not by much)

Venture cast at + 4.5 mm

Venture forged at + 6.5 mm


* Example only for reference, not actual measurements.  I might have to go and measure each of those and a few others, just to see and come back with all mm measurements if no one else has done it.

** Sorry to be a pain to anyone who is more used to doing everything in inches too.

I would trust your measurements over some others.

The metric system doesn't offend me.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #334 on: September 24, 2024, 04:00:14 PM »


I would trust your measurements over some others.

The metric system doesn't offend me.


I guess more than anything, I think it would be easier to just leave the imperial measurements as fractions, not decimal places.

Yeah I am funny like that, but I also understand how everything came to be how it is, especially seeing as skateboarding uses very distinctive measurements from both scales for different parts of the board.

That is not to detract from anyone else who has measured anything and has their own charts and figures, as it is very easy to have things like trucks come up with slightly different measurements even between two sets of what would be the same trucks.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #335 on: September 26, 2024, 04:17:40 AM »
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I would trust your measurements over some others.

The metric system doesn't offend me.
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I guess more than anything, I think it would be easier to just leave the imperial measurements as fractions, not decimal places.

Yeah I am funny like that, but I also understand how everything came to be how it is, especially seeing as skateboarding uses very distinctive measurements from both scales for different parts of the board.

That is not to detract from anyone else who has measured anything and has their own charts and figures, as it is very easy to have things like trucks come up with slightly different measurements even between two sets of what would be the same trucks.

I will say I'm confused as how slappy is supposed to fit between a supposed .5 mm difference between thunder and Iny though.

Unless they were talking about the cast indys in their chart.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #336 on: September 26, 2024, 04:25:35 AM »


I will say I'm confused as how slappy is supposed to fit between a supposed .5 mm difference between thunder and Iny though.

Unless they were talking about the cast indys in their chart.


For them to keep it as simple as they can, everything is standard, team, basic, cast, generic in terms of measurements.

Given there are any number of differences with the cast vs forged versions, all they wanted to say was they are right in the middle, in terms of where their truck sits on the scale, so even people like us talking about it now is free advertising for them, to some degree, so they have succeeded in that regard right here.

Leave it to us - the masses of skate finery - to discuss exactly everything to every little detail to the N-th degree.  Of course we are all going to keep talking about it too.

Gotta smile at that.

Well done Mike Sinclair.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #337 on: January 02, 2025, 08:47:10 AM »
Any info on the indy mids?
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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #338 on: January 02, 2025, 02:41:21 PM »
Any info on the indy mids?

Same as indy standards if you got the cast baseplate. If you got the forged it’s 3.125

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #339 on: January 02, 2025, 09:37:20 PM »
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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #340 on: June 08, 2025, 07:59:12 PM »
This guy has 3D scanned various trucks and has wheelbase and other info, seems like this may be the place for it.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #341 on: June 19, 2025, 03:54:13 PM »
This guy has 3D scanned various trucks and has wheelbase and other info, seems like this may be the place for it.


This is cool!

But why do Royal lows just because someone said here you go? They're not even skated, let alone made anymore.

Also, Axle to Axle...the outside edge vs middle of said Axles?

Stage IV / Lurpiv having BETTER GC than Thunder Inverted lol...when those two get repeatedly shat on for their GC...
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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #342 on: June 20, 2025, 03:47:25 AM »
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This guy has 3D scanned various trucks and has wheelbase and other info, seems like this may be the place for it.
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This is cool!

But why do Royal lows just because someone said here you go? They're not even skated, let alone made anymore.

Also, Axle to Axle...the outside edge vs middle of said Axles?

Stage IV / Lurpiv having BETTER GC than Thunder Inverted lol...when those two get repeatedly shat on for their GC...


Re inverted truck options, or more specifically their grind clearance - I think this really depends on the bushings and then how tight the trucks are, eg the lower the top bushings or the tighter or both, the lower the inverted kingpin is, so kingpin clearance on any inverted trucks is not an easy thing to measure.

Example - I have so much clearance on mine, in particular the new Thunder inverted truck, with the stock bushings (not modified at all), which is great for what I do and how I skate.  Two other people who had to change in other bushings both ended up with minimal clearance or said the kingpin touched on smiths because the kingpin itself was not down low enough.

They both had to put in harder bushings, as the stock light purple ones were too soft / loose for them, but I also don't think they tried to wear them in easily, or at least didn't give them a chance to break in and swapped them out immediately.


Any which way, if people didn't touch the kingpin at all, be it on the Thunder, or the Indy inverted, or another one I had seen and tried, there was not a lot of clearance, but at least I think it seems like they have the option to take that kingpin down a fair bit more than what it might look like if someone just scanned a pic of them and measured that.


* I hadn't watched the video before posting that, but watched it now - a few comments re inverted kingpins can vary so that makes sense.  A few other things to note where what I would say is the same product yet has different measurements, comes down to how the truck is assembled maybe more than anything, but a few things on there I don't quite agree with, from actually using the product, but I guess it is all relative.

** I just commented on his video - saw he had the 147s in the Thunder inverted, which would explain the bad clearance, being a lower hanger, than the 148 or 149 hangers.  Adding this here too, just in case anyone else was curious.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #343 on: June 20, 2025, 08:03:53 AM »
Good catch, didn't notice they were 147 thunders, that explains everything. Did anyone on here stick with stock purple ikp bushings in their thunders?

IKP are wierd when it comes to 'nut flush' as you really can't (they're going to almost always be too loose), to get them snug,  i.e., no hanger play/wobble, you're going to see some threads.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #344 on: June 20, 2025, 07:28:20 PM »
Good catch, didn't notice they were 147 thunders, that explains everything. Did anyone on here stick with stock purple ikp bushings in their thunders?

IKP are wierd when it comes to 'nut flush' as you really can't (they're going to almost always be too loose), to get them snug,  i.e., no hanger play/wobble, you're going to see some threads.


Yes I have two sets of the Thunder inverted 149s on boards and kept the stock purple bushings.  They were soft at first but firmed up enough to make them work really well and I ended up loosening them off about a half to full turn when they firmed up to feel like normal bushings, maybe a week or so after first putting them on.

Been skating them the last couple of days, on different decks to what I originally put them on and they feel way better now, although I did have to loosen them off again as it is colder here now and the DLX bushings are affected by cold a lot more than some others.

Also another guy I skate with now measures the washer to washer height of the bushings to get a real feel for where they would sit, when there is no kingpin to compare.  When measuring mine too, it is funny cause they are now about the same as the other regular Thunder truck setups, I think about 26 mm on the back and 27 to 28 on the front.  It seemed like the most accurate way to check at the time and still stands, as we checked again the other day.

My back truck being a little more firm has the kingpin sitting down a bit further into the baseplate, so gives more clearance, which works nicely for me.  When I changed them over, there is still room underneath, so the kingpin is not down so far that it would touch the deck, but at any rate I use 2 mm DIY rubber sheet risers, so I could easily have them down lower again if I shaved or trimmed down the top bushings too.

These trucks feel pretty comfortable right now, especially once they warmed up some yesterday, when I was riding them, but first thing in the morning, they didn't want to play much.


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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #345 on: June 20, 2025, 07:44:31 PM »
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This guy has 3D scanned various trucks and has wheelbase and other info, seems like this may be the place for it.

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This is cool!

But why do Royal lows just because someone said here you go? They're not even skated, let alone made anymore.

Also, Axle to Axle...the outside edge vs middle of said Axles?

Stage IV / Lurpiv having BETTER GC than Thunder Inverted lol...when those two get repeatedly shat on for their GC...

Thanks! I made this video and I'll try to answer your questions.

Measurements are mounting hole centre to centre, axle centre to centre, and mounting hole to axle centre to centre.
Always centre to centre.

But it doesn't make much difference how you measure it, as long as you measure the same way every time. A setup with a half inch bigger wheelbase will still show half inch bigger no matter how you measure the before and after, as long as you do it the same way both times.

As for the Royal Lows - I think Royal are a cool company and I wanted them in the video. None of their products are stocked locally so the only way I could cheaply get a pair in the video was by asking friends. Having a discontinued truck in the list doesn't lower the quality of the information pool, you can just ignore it and the rest of the data is still valid and usable so I made the choice to include them.

The Thunder size/hanger height issue was something I didn't know about until some comments came in which was good - I like to learn and that means having my mistakes pointed out sometimes. Maybe I'll scan the Thunder Inverted 149 and see how it looks - honestly I'm expecting similar below average clearance but I'm open to being surprised.

I love having all that data at my fingertips though. Who would have thought an Ace AF1 low with a conventional kingpin would have more clearance than a Slappy?

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #346 on: June 20, 2025, 07:59:27 PM »

Thanks! I made this video and I'll try to answer your questions.

Measurements are mounting hole centre to centre, axle centre to centre, and mounting hole to axle centre to centre.
Always centre to centre.

But it doesn't make much difference how you measure it, as long as you measure the same way every time. A setup with a half inch bigger wheelbase will still show half inch bigger no matter how you measure the before and after, as long as you do it the same way both times.

As for the Royal Lows - I think Royal are a cool company and I wanted them in the video. None of their products are stocked locally so the only way I could cheaply get a pair in the video was by asking friends. Having a discontinued truck in the list doesn't lower the quality of the information pool, you can just ignore it and the rest of the data is still valid and usable so I made the choice to include them.

The Thunder size/hanger height issue was something I didn't know about until some comments came in which was good - I like to learn and that means having my mistakes pointed out sometimes. Maybe I'll scan the Thunder Inverted 149 and see how it looks - honestly I'm expecting similar below average clearance but I'm open to being surprised.

I love having all that data at my fingertips though. Who would have thought an Ace AF1 low with a conventional kingpin would have more clearance than a Slappy?


That's me jumping on things and typing faster than my words sometimes come out, but for a few more bits of info:


Ace are the only brand to have the same height hangers, but then the low truck has a much lower baseplate and way lower kingpin than the regular Ace baseplate and kingpin, although the bolts area of the baseplates are still the same height, if that makes sense.

As I had said in comments, re Thunder have lower hangers in 143, 145 and 147, then medium height in 148, 149 and 151, then taller again in 161 sizes.  Putting any 147s on any baseplate is still going to make kingpin clearance minimal, whereas putting 148 or higher on any baseplate will raise the hanger up significantly more, especially the inverted, as I would usually never really ride Thunder due to the lack of kingpin clearance previously, but have been enjoying having no kingpin touch on anything more recently.  Make sure to get the kingpin down into the baseplate sufficiently though - having it not done up, the kingpin is going to sit very high, so that alone from what we have talked about above, can change data a fair bit.


For most of my own setups, I have used lower head bushings, to get the kingpin nut down lower again and then angle grind down the kingpin heads on regular trucks, so I have almost "excessive" clearance on some of my trucks, but in also measuring the kingpin heights on trucks, that will also give some insight into overall clearance.

Most kingpins are around 35 mm tall, from the baseplate, including Indy, Venture and Thunder, with Slappy having a 33 mm tall kingpin, Ace having 37 to 38 mm tall kingpins on their regular trucks, Indy Stage 4 having 36 mm and 215s having 38 mm tall kingpins.  I haven't seen an Ace low baseplate in person, so taking the hanger and bushings off and measuring that kingpin height would be good to get that figure.

For reference, most of my modified kingpins are down around 33 and some even lower at 32 mm from the baseplate, so almost any hanger, even the Indy low hangers, fit nicely on there.

An old Indy low set of trucks comes in at 32 mm kingpin too, with their lower bushings, but as the hanger is so much lower, there is still not a lot of clearance.


Lots of info - too much maybe?  Never for people who ride and work with skateboards to such an extent.


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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #347 on: June 21, 2025, 02:50:46 AM »
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So I went and got out the angle finder and went through a few sets of trucks and boards I had set up, just to check and see what sort of kingpin clearance I had on them, including Indy, Ace, Slappy, Venture and Thunder.  I have others, but these were the main ones that I was really more interested in than anything else, more so because this is what I skate and have more experience with them.  All of these are the 8.5 versions to keep things uniform.

The numbers below are only my own tests on some trucks I had, balanced on a flat / even surface and zero'd out first, just to make sure.  The difference between a kingpin nut sitting right on the end and a little below is maybe more than what should be allowed, when checking a few options, so I could see that would really change up results too, up to 5 degrees in some cases, when I tightened one kingpin nut down from where it was.


Angle and truck from highest kingpin clearance to lowest:

23.25  Indy standard with modified kingpin and low top Indy bushings

22.41  Thunder inverted stock
16.71  Venture standard * slightly modified
14.28  Slappy standard stock
13.16  Ace AF1 standard stock
10.45  Indy standard stock
 9.81  Indy low with inverted kingpin option
 9.22  Thunder standard


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* NOTE: this is not just a post to give different data to the chart as per the video from Alan - just my own checking of some trucks to see what they were like.  Pretty cool to see that video actually with all the different trucks and comparisons.
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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #348 on: June 21, 2025, 04:14:49 AM »
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So I went and got out the angle finder and went through a few sets of trucks and boards I had set up, just to check and see what sort of kingpin clearance I had on them, including Indy, Ace, Slappy, Venture and Thunder.  I have others, but these were the main ones that I was really more interested in than anything else, more so because this is what I skate and have more experience with them.  All of these are the 8.5 versions to keep things uniform.

The numbers below are only my own tests on some trucks I had, balanced on a flat / even surface and zero'd out first, just to make sure.  The difference between a kingpin nut sitting right on the end and a little below is maybe more than what should be allowed, when checking a few options, so I could see that would really change up results too, up to 5 degrees in some cases, when I tightened one kingpin nut down from where it was.


Angle and truck from highest kingpin clearance to lowest:

23.25  Indy standard with modified kingpin and low top Indy bushings

22.41  Thunder inverted stock
16.71  Venture standard * slightly modified
14.28  Slappy standard stock
13.16  Ace AF1 standard stock
10.45  Indy standard stock
 9.81  Indy low with inverted kingpin option
 9.22  Thunder standard


https://ibb.co/HfNks7nT




https://ibb.co/Ng3jmH90





* NOTE: this is not just a post to give different data to the chart as per the video from Alan - just my own checking of some trucks to see what they were like.  Pretty cool to see that video actually with all the different trucks and comparisons.

When you have a different person/technique employed to make these kinds of measurements, the data is never directly comparable.

What you do have is multiple trucks measured by the same person (you) and the same method (angle gauge) so what we can do is see how your hierarchy compares to my table and it's absolutely wild that Thunder Inverted is near the top of your list but near the bottom of mine.

Between the different hanger heights, new vs broken in bushings, kingpin tightness etc there's just so much that can influence the measurements so the only conclusion I can come up with is...

We should all have a few moments' fun nerding out over the numbers and then forget about it and just go skate.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #349 on: June 21, 2025, 05:33:39 AM »
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 9.81  Indy low with inverted kingpin option

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When you have a different person/technique employed to make these kinds of measurements, the data is never directly comparable.

What you do have is multiple trucks measured by the same person (you) and the same method (angle gauge) so what we can do is see how your hierarchy compares to my table and it's absolutely wild that Thunder Inverted is near the top of your list but near the bottom of mine.

Between the different hanger heights, new vs broken in bushings, kingpin tightness etc there's just so much that can influence the measurements so the only conclusion I can come up with is...

We should all have a few moments' fun nerding out over the numbers and then forget about it and just go skate.


Re the process and results - for sure!

The one thing I forgot to add was the Indy low with inverted kingpin directly compares to the Thunder 147 with inverted kingpin as they are the same height and as it turns out almost the same kingpin clearance from my measurement to yours.

That is partly why I never got the 147s in anything for my shop, as there is just no kingpin clearance on them, but did get the 148 and 149 versions, which sold out pretty quickly too.


I think more than anything it was the Thunder inverted result in the video that made me want to check a few of my own boards, but I have done this in the past and put up information on here and other places too, so as to help people and also get a better understanding of what works and why some things do or do not work for some people.

The wheelbase chart is exactly what pretty much everyone else got there, so no worries with that, as there are a lot less variables.

Glad to have fun checking things and then seeing why the Thunder inverted actually works for me now, compared to the standard Thunder which just didn't have enough clearance.

I still prefer my own DIY Independent trucks though, which have the most clearance of anything out there, apart from the really slim tops and minimal inverted options that some people run.


There are only so many hours in any given day I can actually skate, but I also have enough time to post on here and hopefully help with general skate info and product knowledge at the same time, so it all balances out, for me anyway.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #350 on: June 21, 2025, 06:30:45 AM »
Alright that settles it. I'm going to Beyond Skate this week and asking to scan a Thunder Inverted 149

No way for me to match the kingpin tightness but I want to see the different hanger

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #351 on: June 22, 2025, 03:39:29 AM »
Alright that settles it. I'm going to Beyond Skate this week and asking to scan a Thunder Inverted 149

No way for me to match the kingpin tightness but I want to see the different hanger


Sorry to have you go out of your way to check, but yes you would see easily the differences.

I would also say, just check any Thunder 147 against any other of the same Thunder truck type in 148 or 149 (or 151 / 161) for that matter, as they all have the same baseplates (cast or forged) but then the hangers are different, as mentioned.  Even just looking at them, you can see they are quite different in height and clearance.

At least you don't need to scan all of them, but even just in any info, adding the size, eg Thunder 147 to the listing would help there.

I just had a look at the online info Beyond has up and I am surprised how many truck options / brands they have, but I guess they had always been one of the biggest stores, so can afford to have the most range there too.

In the shop I have Indy, Thunder, Venture and Ace, being the big four.  Then I bought a single set of Slappy trucks just to see what the fuss was about, but in the used gear area, I also have sets of Destructo, Theeve, Tracker, old Gullwing, old Tensor, old Royal and probably some more too, but really most of those don't need to be in anything current anyway.


* I took those measurements in the shed yesterday afternoon / early evening, so the digital read is almost impossible to see on some of them, but I think I might do it again, a little more clearly and just see, along with maybe just going by kingpin, more so than where the nut sits, but I will check and see.  There were about 5 degrees difference between two of the same truck, one with the nut down a bit and one with the nut up a bit from the top of the kingpin, so it really does make such a difference there.

More fun for me anyway.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #352 on: June 22, 2025, 08:06:18 AM »
Who's got those juicy T2 measurements?

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #353 on: June 22, 2025, 05:07:02 PM »
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Just measured a few more sets of older trucks, with the following results:

18.23  Thunder inverted 148s (would be the same as 149s in height)

 3.01  Thunder regular 147s (almost zero kingpin clearance on these, which I expected, but the kingpin is already worn down some, so they might not quite give an accurate result)


This is pretty much what I would expect from most angle finders, roughly the same before they are adjusted, but it is funny with any 147s how little clearance they have, much the same as the older Indy clearance, or the other low variants of most trucks (not including the newer ones like Ace low, or Slappy low that is) but I think I will check and list most brands in the next week, just to see as I am curious now too.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #354 on: June 22, 2025, 10:17:17 PM »
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Refined the process and now have put a straight edge under the angle finder, so it gives much more accurate results, while it is sitting on the hanger and the tallest point of the kingpin / nut area.  I measured both trucks in any given set, as I could see some sat higher than others, so keep that in mind with single figures when it comes to measurements.

Also had a look through pretty much all the Thunder truck options I have here, with the following results:


 1.02 -  1.81   Thunder 147 with untouched kingpins, one sitting a little higher than the other

10.12 - 12.01  Thunder 148 still in the DLX bag, also one sitting higher than the other

10.68 - 11.37  Thunder 151 with the silver kingpins, which seemed like they were a little shorter than the black ones

13.29 - 13.89  Thunder 161 with untouched kingpins


16.74 - 16.81  Thunder inverted 148, minimal difference looking under at about two and a half threads showing.


For reference, my inverted trucks I have on my own board have maybe four threads showing under the baseplate, comparison pic from when I changed them over a while back - front on the left, back on the right, but is fairly relevant now, which also helps to show the differences in results, especially when there are such big numbers there.


19.02 - 22.41 Thunder inverted on my own board, tightened down a bit more than stock, it would seem.


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* If there was a final word / imaginary line to measure re kingpin clearance, or even grind clearance as some other people put it, I would say any angle above 20 degrees would almost give total kingpin nut clearance on most trucks, from a three point touch, that would be hanger and board rail to edge for any smith or feeble or similar grind.  I could be wrong on this and I am sure the kingpin would still touch easily enough if it was dipped further than that, but on my ramp as well as on the edge of a ledge type obstacle, both my Thunder inverted and Indy with modified kingpin have easy clearance, whereas most others will touch, even Slappy trucks on their regular kingpin, when I checked.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #355 on: July 12, 2025, 12:14:12 PM »
Does anyone else with the forged Indy’s get madness with a 14.25 wheelbase, at the same looseness they feel great on a 14.125 but a bit unstable with a 14.25. I don’t wanna tighten them tho cuz the turn feels nice tho. Maybe it’s the long deck tho too with long tail.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #356 on: July 13, 2025, 07:57:07 AM »
Does anyone else with the forged Indy’s get madness with a 14.25 wheelbase, at the same looseness they feel great on a 14.125 but a bit unstable with a 14.25. I don’t wanna tighten them tho cuz the turn feels nice tho. Maybe it’s the long deck tho too with long tail.


you answered yourself there: longer tail most likely creating the instability.
longer deck/longer wb, both increase stability.

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #357 on: October 31, 2025, 08:32:12 AM »
In Thunders, forged vs cast, where does the difference come from? I was doing pseudo scientific tests to forged and cast baseplates the other day and I couldn't find any measurement that didn't match?

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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #358 on: October 31, 2025, 08:38:51 AM »
In Thunders, forged vs cast, where does the difference come from? I was doing pseudo scientific tests to forged and cast baseplates the other day and I couldn't find any measurement that didn't match?

To be honest, I've been riding both forged and cast Thunders for years and haven't ever thought about any wb difference, if that's what you're referring to. It's the height that matters to me.

I'm currently riding Team 148s simply 'cause they're tall enough. Can't do with the forged hollows especially at 147 and below, they're too low for me. Anyway, the different Thunder heights/widths vs. their naming doesn't seem to follow a clear enough logic for me, I've lost count of the different combos years ago.

Fwiw, based on the reports here, the T2's aren't something I'm gonna even try. Was experimenting with Ventures and Indys a lot this year, might go back to either at some point anyway.
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Re: Wheelbase on your trucks
« Reply #359 on: November 22, 2025, 04:06:07 AM »
Okay so I’m trying to do just a little math cause I want to size down my wheelbase from 14.625 to 14.5. And switch from venture v8s to Indy’s. According to the front page my ventures in the regular position add 3.125 to my wheelbase. But I want to try to get used to what the 14.5 with Indy’s (+3in) would feel like. Soooo if my v8s move my wb a quarter inch per truck, if I bring in just one truck it should be the same wheelbase as the 14.5 with Indy’s. Is my math right? I know there are a lot of other factors that will affect the overall feel between the two but I figure if I can at least get used to the wb now then the change won’t affect me nearly as much.