Venture 2020

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Really fw the idea of ventures on 8.5's since most 8.5s on the market have a 6.625+ tails anyway.

Am I the only one who can like skate a 14.25WB then a  14.5WB if you give me a day to get used to it??? I dont even look at wheelbase anymore. Shit I dont look at anything anymore I just buy the board and hope it lets me feel something

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Really fw the idea of ventures on 8.5's since most 8.5s on the market have a 6.625+ tails anyway.

Am I the only one who can like skate a 14.25WB then a  14.5WB if you give me a day to get used to it??? I dont even look at wheelbase anymore. Shit I dont look at anything anymore I just buy the board and hope it lets me feel something

[Tre]

Has any one tried an ishod 8.3 TT w/ venture 5.2 hi or 5.2 lo? Thoughts ?

[Cthunderw]

Has any one tried an ishod 8.3 TT w/ venture 5.2 hi or 5.2 lo? Thoughts ?

Are these the two trucks you already own? I think 5.2 would be too narrow for that.  IMO the long Venture wheelbase, combined with what I felt were flatish and shortish kicks and a slightly longer wheelbase on the deck, would not be a good combo at all.  I really liked that deck with Indy 144 Hollows but I'd try Thunders on it before Ventures.

[LebowskisRug]

Has any one tried an ishod 8.3 TT w/ venture 5.2 hi or 5.2 lo? Thoughts ?

I had 5.6 on it and they felt fine.

[intendedreceivers]

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I really dont think its as simple as just getting a short WB for V hi's. You need a longer tail to counter the height and "heavy" venture pop.
A 14 wb with a 6.5" tail and hi's is still going to feel heavy and most-likely give you ghost pop, same as what would happen with a 14.25.

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So which brands are the perfect venture hi‘s match is the big question ? 🤔

I think the dude has a point. I’ve said it before, but I put the 5.6 highs on my Quasi (I think it’s a 14.25 wheelbase), took one look at it and chuckled thinking it was going to be terrible for me, but it’s one of my favorite boards. I wouldn’t overthink it. Ventures are just a solid truck no matter the setup, in my experience.

[j....soy.....]

Quasi boards kicks have mellowed out a bit no?  I think a standard BBS’s kicks work fine with ventures, it’s just the wheelbases tend to be 14.25 plus which just feels a hair too long….a dwindle board maybe? 

[Jonny7.5Alive]

Steep kicks can work well we the lows

[Pee nis]

I have 5.6 standards and v-hollows and I ended up throwing the hollow hanger on the cast baseplate and it feels incredible on the fa/hockey 8.18 shape with 14 WB. Probably completely unnecessary to do that but taking a tiny bit of weight off while keeping the cast height/WB just feels right on that setup

[j....soy.....]

Team Hollows….makes complete sense…

[Tre]

Currently skating an ishod 8.3 TT w/ 5.2 lo it’s working alright I’d say

[rocklobster]

Team Hollows….makes complete sense…

5.6 V-Hollow Lo.... makes complete sense...

Still feeling jilted that Ace beat Venture to the punch with the new AF1 Low for a sub-50mm 5.6 truck that isn't Mini Logo.

[munchbox]

if the aces sell well id assume they are on the horizon

[LebowskisRug]

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I really dont think its as simple as just getting a short WB for V hi's. You need a longer tail to counter the height and "heavy" venture pop.
A 14 wb with a 6.5" tail and hi's is still going to feel heavy and most-likely give you ghost pop, same as what would happen with a 14.25.

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So which brands are the perfect venture hi‘s match is the big question ? 🤔

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There isn’t such a thing.
Again, using a highly talented professional: Aikens was supposedly skating the girl shape with the shortest tail (6.3), with venture hi’s, and he definitely doesn’t look labored with his pop.
I really enjoy reading people’s opinions on here, so I’m not attempting to shit on anyone for posting theirs, I personally don’t believe there are magic combinations of wb truck brand etc equals hward sk8r.
Riding something that gets me stoked to get out there and skate is the key for me, I’m gonna have a hard time no matter what

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Yeah, I feel you.

But one more question:

what would you consider a short and normal tail?

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Talking in Tactics measurements, it seems like the dlx standard is 6.5" and some 6.625". That seems to work well with thunders, indy forged and ace.  Ive seen some decks with tails below 6.5", like 6.3" or something, i wouldnt touch those.  I think anything above a 6.7" tail is considered long. Heroin Symmetrical egg with 7" kicks seems interesting on hi's

Like others have mentioned tho, tail steepness would also matter

Tactics is full of shit a lot of the time. I have a DLX 8.25 sitting right here measuring at 6.75" tail. I think the 8.125 Eagle has a slightly bigger tail too.

I liked Ventures on Quasis, which have pretty damn short tails.

[SlapMcKracken]

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I really dont think its as simple as just getting a short WB for V hi's. You need a longer tail to counter the height and "heavy" venture pop.
A 14 wb with a 6.5" tail and hi's is still going to feel heavy and most-likely give you ghost pop, same as what would happen with a 14.25.

[close]

So which brands are the perfect venture hi‘s match is the big question ? 🤔

[close]

There isn’t such a thing.
Again, using a highly talented professional: Aikens was supposedly skating the girl shape with the shortest tail (6.3), with venture hi’s, and he definitely doesn’t look labored with his pop.
I really enjoy reading people’s opinions on here, so I’m not attempting to shit on anyone for posting theirs, I personally don’t believe there are magic combinations of wb truck brand etc equals hward sk8r.
Riding something that gets me stoked to get out there and skate is the key for me, I’m gonna have a hard time no matter what

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Yeah, I feel you.

But one more question:

what would you consider a short and normal tail?

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Talking in Tactics measurements, it seems like the dlx standard is 6.5" and some 6.625". That seems to work well with thunders, indy forged and ace.  Ive seen some decks with tails below 6.5", like 6.3" or something, i wouldnt touch those.  I think anything above a 6.7" tail is considered long. Heroin Symmetrical egg with 7" kicks seems interesting on hi's

Like others have mentioned tho, tail steepness would also matter

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Tactics is full of shit a lot of the time. I have a DLX 8.25 sitting right here measuring at 6.75" tail. I think the 8.125 Eagle has a slightly bigger tail too.

I liked Ventures on Quasis, which have pretty damn short tails.

That’s what I wanted say. Quasi, gx and wknd have short tails and lots of their team ride ventures

Then again I guess they ride bigger boards, cause 8.125‘s have a tail of 6.375 or something.

You think this is too short for high ventures v hollows ?

[Fooj]

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I really dont think its as simple as just getting a short WB for V hi's. You need a longer tail to counter the height and "heavy" venture pop.
A 14 wb with a 6.5" tail and hi's is still going to feel heavy and most-likely give you ghost pop, same as what would happen with a 14.25.

[close]

So which brands are the perfect venture hi‘s match is the big question ? 🤔

[close]

There isn’t such a thing.
Again, using a highly talented professional: Aikens was supposedly skating the girl shape with the shortest tail (6.3), with venture hi’s, and he definitely doesn’t look labored with his pop.
I really enjoy reading people’s opinions on here, so I’m not attempting to shit on anyone for posting theirs, I personally don’t believe there are magic combinations of wb truck brand etc equals hward sk8r.
Riding something that gets me stoked to get out there and skate is the key for me, I’m gonna have a hard time no matter what

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Yeah, I feel you.

But one more question:

what would you consider a short and normal tail?

[close]

Talking in Tactics measurements, it seems like the dlx standard is 6.5" and some 6.625". That seems to work well with thunders, indy forged and ace.  Ive seen some decks with tails below 6.5", like 6.3" or something, i wouldnt touch those.  I think anything above a 6.7" tail is considered long. Heroin Symmetrical egg with 7" kicks seems interesting on hi's

Like others have mentioned tho, tail steepness would also matter

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Tactics is full of shit a lot of the time. I have a DLX 8.25 sitting right here measuring at 6.75" tail. I think the 8.125 Eagle has a slightly bigger tail too.

I liked Ventures on Quasis, which have pretty damn short tails.

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That’s what I wanted say. Quasi, gx and wknd have short tails and lots of their team ride ventures

Then again I guess they ride bigger boards, cause 8.125‘s have a tail of 6.375 or something.

You think this is too short for high ventures v hollows ?

Theres always going to be exceptions based on personal preference, varying kick steepness, or incorrect measurements, but for the most part combining a truck that has the widest WB on the market and pretty decent height, with a short tail makes the physics more likely than not point towards heavy feeling pop.

[SlapMcKracken]

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I really dont think its as simple as just getting a short WB for V hi's. You need a longer tail to counter the height and "heavy" venture pop.
A 14 wb with a 6.5" tail and hi's is still going to feel heavy and most-likely give you ghost pop, same as what would happen with a 14.25.

[close]

So which brands are the perfect venture hi‘s match is the big question ? 🤔

[close]

There isn’t such a thing.
Again, using a highly talented professional: Aikens was supposedly skating the girl shape with the shortest tail (6.3), with venture hi’s, and he definitely doesn’t look labored with his pop.
I really enjoy reading people’s opinions on here, so I’m not attempting to shit on anyone for posting theirs, I personally don’t believe there are magic combinations of wb truck brand etc equals hward sk8r.
Riding something that gets me stoked to get out there and skate is the key for me, I’m gonna have a hard time no matter what

[close]

Yeah, I feel you.

But one more question:

what would you consider a short and normal tail?

[close]

Talking in Tactics measurements, it seems like the dlx standard is 6.5" and some 6.625". That seems to work well with thunders, indy forged and ace.  Ive seen some decks with tails below 6.5", like 6.3" or something, i wouldnt touch those.  I think anything above a 6.7" tail is considered long. Heroin Symmetrical egg with 7" kicks seems interesting on hi's

Like others have mentioned tho, tail steepness would also matter

[close]

Tactics is full of shit a lot of the time. I have a DLX 8.25 sitting right here measuring at 6.75" tail. I think the 8.125 Eagle has a slightly bigger tail too.

I liked Ventures on Quasis, which have pretty damn short tails.

[close]

That’s what I wanted say. Quasi, gx and wknd have short tails and lots of their team ride ventures

Then again I guess they ride bigger boards, cause 8.125‘s have a tail of 6.375 or something.

You think this is too short for high ventures v hollows ?

[close]

Theres always going to be exceptions based on personal preference, varying kick steepness, or incorrect measurements, but for the most part combining a truck that has the widest WB on the market and pretty decent height, with a short tail makes the physics more likely than not point towards heavy feeling pop.

Let’s see, I’ll try a 8.125 quasi or gx next. I think they have the exact same shape anyway.

Right now I have a magenta big plant 8“ on the ventures, but can’t skate it cause my toe is still broken.
Don’t know the tail length though

[Idk]

Ventures work with basically every Girl/Chocolate board.

[munchbox]

finally coming to terms that im too big for soft bushings
was on the ace low bushings for 2 months
wheelbiting on every toe or heel heavy landing
didnt realize my progress was stagnating

rewatched footy of my favorite pros and they can land anyway/how without getting pitched, all seemingly riding tighter trucks. for example, reynolds rides indy blue bushings with 2-3 threads showing. i cant stand showing threads so the ace set had to go

threw in the green supercush 94a, nuts flush. rode loose trucks since i can remember but can still turn with these. cruised around and popped some nollie tricks faster than usual and rolled away like butter. not sure if its my higher center of gravity, strong ankles, 14" wb, being 200lbs, or big flipper feet but i can swerve. low profile kingpin nuts are on the way for a little more give

not sure why i was running near max palmer loose trucks with no intention to skate like him. loose trucks = style is a major misconception, especially if you cant roll away

[rocklobster]

finally coming to terms that im too big for soft bushings
was on the ace low bushings for 2 months
wheelbiting on every toe or heel heavy landing
didnt realize my progress was stagnating

rewatched footy of my favorite pros and they can land anyway/how without getting pitched, all seemingly riding tighter trucks. for example, reynolds rides indy blue bushings with 2-3 threads showing. i cant stand showing threads so the ace set had to go

threw in the green supercush 94a, nuts flush. rode loose trucks since i can remember but can still turn with these. cruised around and popped some nollie tricks faster than usual and rolled away like butter. not sure if its my higher center of gravity, strong ankles, 14" wb, being 200lbs, or big flipper feet but i can swerve. low profile kingpin nuts are on the way for a little more give

not sure why i was running near max palmer loose trucks with no intention to skate like him. loose trucks = style is a major misconception, especially if you cant roll away

Pretty much why I stopped bothering with Bones in my Ventures, stock bushings broken in turn great without having to go wobble loose. I realized I would have to do a hard swerve after throwing down my board to compensate for how loose I was having them.

Used to think that going looser helped with the pinch but some rigidity on the hanger is needed to keep your truck in position during the grind.

[Banned from the room]

I been out cruising. I stopped at my wallie spot. I’ve put away my car for a while and the Aces too.
There’s nothing so nice as a loose venture.

[LebowskisRug]

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finally coming to terms that im too big for soft bushings
was on the ace low bushings for 2 months
wheelbiting on every toe or heel heavy landing
didnt realize my progress was stagnating

rewatched footy of my favorite pros and they can land anyway/how without getting pitched, all seemingly riding tighter trucks. for example, reynolds rides indy blue bushings with 2-3 threads showing. i cant stand showing threads so the ace set had to go

threw in the green supercush 94a, nuts flush. rode loose trucks since i can remember but can still turn with these. cruised around and popped some nollie tricks faster than usual and rolled away like butter. not sure if its my higher center of gravity, strong ankles, 14" wb, being 200lbs, or big flipper feet but i can swerve. low profile kingpin nuts are on the way for a little more give

not sure why i was running near max palmer loose trucks with no intention to skate like him. loose trucks = style is a major misconception, especially if you cant roll away

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Pretty much why I stopped bothering with Bones in my Ventures, stock bushings broken in turn great without having to go wobble loose. I realized I would have to do a hard swerve after throwing down my board to compensate for how loose I was having them.

Used to think that going looser helped with the pinch but some rigidity on the hanger is needed to keep your truck in position during the grind.

Most people who ride loose would be way better if they didn’t. I think if you can see someone flopping around or unable to not go straight after landing it’s too lose. Ishod runs his shit super loose and you would have zero clue. Reynolds runs his shit super tight and he still carves around.

[fakie varial flip]

Holy shit you guys weren't kidding

I replaced the top washer with a flat one

Wow. Just wow

[Mbrimson88]

Holy shit you guys weren't kidding

I replaced the top washer with a flat one

Wow. Just wow

Is it also because the flat washer is half the height of the normal one, so you are getting a mm extra of looseness?

One single mm is such a difference in the amount of kingpin clearance / bushing compression.


Or do people say it is not as much holding the bushing down so it can move a lot more when the truck turns?


Just curious.

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Holy shit you guys weren't kidding

I replaced the top washer with a flat one

Wow. Just wow

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Is it also because the flat washer is half the height of the normal one, so you are getting a mm extra of looseness?

One single mm is such a difference in the amount of kingpin clearance / bushing compression.


Or do people say it is not as much holding the bushing down so it can move a lot more when the truck turns?


Just curious.

While I am definitely not smart enough to know for certain...

It seems like it is both. I think the stock washer takes up way too much space vertically and horizontally. It feels like it prevents the hanger from flexing side to side - at some point your deck just starts leaning rather than turning. Replacing it with a flat washer it feels like a long wheelbase ace (this is probably a bad analogy but it's the closest I can come to with my limited truck knowledge from years of just indy and ace) where it will flex all the way and allow really long carves.

These are just my initial impressions though, and I could be way off. It's crazy how switching the washer kept all the pop and made it so I was able to slalom around like an idiot

[Mbrimson88]

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Holy shit you guys weren't kidding

I replaced the top washer with a flat one

Wow. Just wow

[close]

Is it also because the flat washer is half the height of the normal one, so you are getting a mm extra of looseness?

One single mm is such a difference in the amount of kingpin clearance / bushing compression.


Or do people say it is not as much holding the bushing down so it can move a lot more when the truck turns?


Just curious.

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While I am definitely not smart enough to know for certain...

It seems like it is both. I think the stock washer takes up way too much space vertically and horizontally. It feels like it prevents the hanger from flexing side to side - at some point your deck just starts leaning rather than turning. Replacing it with a flat washer it feels like a long wheelbase ace (this is probably a bad analogy but it's the closest I can come to with my limited truck knowledge from years of just indy and ace) where it will flex all the way and allow really long carves.

These are just my initial impressions though, and I could be way off. It's crazy how switching the washer kept all the pop and made it so I was able to slalom around like an idiot

Yes, it all makes complete sense to me.

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Stock washer binds on the hanger, as in my hanger gets grooved from the washer.

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what size flat washer do i get for cone shaped bushings? considering picking up bones bushings mostly just for the washers...

[Banned from the room]

what size flat washer do i get for cone shaped bushings? considering picking up bones bushings mostly just for the washers...

Go to the hardware store and see what fits.

[LewFarrell]

what size flat washer do i get for cone shaped bushings? considering picking up bones bushings mostly just for the washers...

Muirskate has them or source with these specs:
 .377" Hole x .875" Diameter, x .08" Thick
9.6mm Hole x 22.2mm Diameter x 2mm