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I wanna play you in a game of SKATE for the right to continue talking shit on me. You think you got me?
I grew up in the Bay Area, and have never been a fan of the vibe of the GX guys. The BEST hands down representation of the SF culture are the Awaysted and MaxAllure guys. More so the MaxAllure because Karl has single handedly done everything in his power to bring up Bay Area/NorCal scene. Growing up he used to host a river clean up in Vallejo and was the most Humble and genuine guy. Support the locals.
So am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense.
So am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]
Fuck UWK. Donut operater seems like a good guy.
Quote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]
Quote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off
Quote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]
GX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.
than thou not now smfh
thats too much but was it autocorrect or what happened
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close]
Quote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]
GX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close]
Quote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]
Quote from: Jerk chicken on July 02, 2020, 03:58:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]Thank you! What is this motivation to be guilty before proven innocent.
Quote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 04:02:57 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Jerk chicken on July 02, 2020, 03:58:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]Thank you! What is this motivation to be guilty before proven innocent.[close]Can you post one he’s featured in? Not saying you’re wrong, but I just tried and had no luck.
Quote from: Jerk chicken on July 02, 2020, 03:58:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]Thank you! What is this motivation to be guilty before proven innocent.[close]
Quote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 04:08:34 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 04:02:57 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Jerk chicken on July 02, 2020, 03:58:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]Thank you! What is this motivation to be guilty before proven innocent.[close]Can you post one he’s featured in? Not saying you’re wrong, but I just tried and had no luck.[close]
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 04:02:57 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Jerk chicken on July 02, 2020, 03:58:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Storybook Weaver on July 02, 2020, 03:32:47 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 03:19:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: figureitout on July 02, 2020, 03:16:05 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]nailed it. Can you believed he used "fuckboi" as an insult towards you...Oh the irony[close]Do you have evidence? I initially asked where it was and this is what you come up with?? Fuck off[close]Wonder what’s up with the scrubbingQuote from: heckler on July 01, 2020, 06:22:15 PMExpand QuoteGX1000 scrubbed any posts with Joogy or Jamal from his instagram account.[close][close]There’s some joogy clips on there still pretty sure we just tossing peoples names in now with no backing [close]Thank you! What is this motivation to be guilty before proven innocent.[close]Can you post one he’s featured in? Not saying you’re wrong, but I just tried and had no luck.[close]
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]He never raped you, so he must be innocent?
Quote from: JosephSmith on July 02, 2020, 05:29:22 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]He never raped you, so he must be innocent?[close]I’m asking where this even comes from? Nothing wrong with wanting to know the truth, is there? Now when you have a friend, someone you know well, and that friend is accused of something out of character I hope you would ask questions too.
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]He never raped you, so he must be innocent?[close]
Damn I left my bubbler at my parents house
Quote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 05:38:24 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: JosephSmith on July 02, 2020, 05:29:22 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]He never raped you, so he must be innocent?[close]I’m asking where this even comes from? Nothing wrong with wanting to know the truth, is there? Now when you have a friend, someone you know well, and that friend is accused of something out of character I hope you would ask questions too. [close]What I was told was that he tried some weird shit on a group of girls,and has some history of forcing himself on girls,even after a NO. There was an IG story outing him too,but no screenshot sorry.
Quote from: JosephSmith on July 02, 2020, 05:29:22 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]He never raped you, so he must be innocent?[close]I’m asking where this even comes from? Nothing wrong with wanting to know the truth, is there? Now when you have a friend, someone you know well, and that friend is accused of something out of character I hope you would ask questions too. [close]
long time lurker first time poster, made a new account for this.As someone from sf who has been subjected to the "scene", a lot of what she said here is absolutely true. I actually remember the account she was talking about initially in her video that aimed to expose sf abusers and rapists. The account was mass reported and struck down by "homies" enabling their friends. Theres a lot of enabling that goes on in the community over here whether its simply denying claims of abuse or just pretending to be blissfully ignorant. The culture in this city has bred an odd kind of toxicity. Theres a sense of "manliness" that I think many of the skaters here try to embody. Go down the biggest hill, go as fast as possible, don't back down. I think this bleeds over into interactions and that same "don't back down" attitude gets brought into allegations of sexual assault and harassment. For some reason people in this community think they can get away unscathed with harassment. Don't get me wrong though, this isn't every skater in the city, but rather a subset that is incredibly tight knit and happen to be somewhat relevant in the community. The idea that skaters are "the jocks of sf" is also funny to me. Just because these people happen to be relevant in the same cutty subset you occupy does not mean anyone else cares about them or views them note worthy. Still though, this abusive behavior is completely present and I'm glad someone is talking about it.
Quote from: Atiba Applebum on July 02, 2020, 03:07:01 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: mtvic on July 02, 2020, 02:47:11 PMExpand QuoteSo am I missing something? Where is the evidence against Adam Taylor??? I’d like to see someone post something of substance. I know Adam very well. I don’t think nor believe this shit but at the same time the only thing in this thread is something about someone’s cousin saying something. It’s so fucked to just want to ruin people without evidence. It’s almost as if all of you have always been right about everything in life, have you never lied? Never believed someone when they were lying? Something is so wrong here.[close]Ah the old “I’m friend of a rapist and I don’t believe the victim because the aggressor never behaved that way to me personally” defense. [close]I think it's not too much to ask for proof. As soon as that arises bury this alleged cockroach.