Rape Allegations Against Justin 'Figgy' Figueroa

[SATIVA HYBRID]

That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

[Theme For A Jackal]

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The accused being innocent is NOT rare at all

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It is very rare, as shown by statistics, some of which have been posted in this very thread.

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Dude fuck statistics I personally have known women who falsely accused and it seems other people here do too. Anyone can pull statistics up to try and make their point. Look at Ben Shapiro. He has statistics for everything yet I bet you still don't agree with him on anything. Why ? Because he could be biased and so could you.

Do... do you not see what you're doing here? You're using your personal experience to discount everything else... that's the definition of a bias

[Theme For A Jackal]

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so if the boss doesn’t do anything about this will all of you on team joanna  stop buying baker products?

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Baker 4 ends right after Baca's part. Always has,always will.

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Is it me or do Figgy's last 3 parts all basically look the same with no discernable progression? I completely agree that Baca deserved last part for what he went through.

I mean sure but also it's hard to completely one-up yourself when you're skating some of the biggest, gnarliest stuff around

[givecigstosurfgroms]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

   Yess.  Hit up the grocery store or the gym!

[sus]

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so if the boss doesn’t do anything about this will all of you on team joanna  stop buying baker products?

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Baker 4 ends right after Baca's part. Always has,always will.

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Is it me or do Figgy's last 3 parts all basically look the same with no discernable progression? I completely agree that Baca deserved last part for what he went through.

the story told through Baca's part was more compelling and heartfelt. I thought he should have had last part ngl, but i also understand why figgy did

[Francis Xavier]

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so if the boss doesn’t do anything about this will all of you on team joanna  stop buying baker products?

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Baker 4 ends right after Baca's part. Always has,always will.

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Is it me or do Figgy's last 3 parts all basically look the same with no discernable progression? I completely agree that Baca deserved last part for what he went through.

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the story told through Baca's part was more compelling and heartfelt. I thought he should have had last part ngl, but i also understand why figgy did

Figgy goes,but it just doesn't hit me the way it does for others. You sort of know what you're going to get with him,and I think that's why his parts can look the same. He's still capable of progressing,as seen in his Baker 4 theres sprinkles of surprises. Baca is the shit,backing him hard

[excitableboy]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

[Jerrys Kid]

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so if the boss doesn’t do anything about this will all of you on team joanna  stop buying baker products?

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Baker 4 ends right after Baca's part. Always has,always will.

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Is it me or do Figgy's last 3 parts all basically look the same with no discernable progression? I completely agree that Baca deserved last part for what he went through.

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He's constantly one uping himself at spots.

Sure. But i feel like I need a spreadsheet to keep track of his progression. Like "Hmm. it seems like he upgraded from a kickflip front board down this rail in his Bake and Destroy part to Bigspin front board." It's all technically good, but it doesn't seem to differentiate him from anyone else out there.

It also doesn't help that Baker and Emerica have marketed him as the DMT guy.

[georgethecat]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

In general, I don't think any one is arguing that having sex with someone who's caught a buzz is an act that is categorically morally reprehensible. As this one does, the discussion typically centres around situations where someone is "blackout" drunk. In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify, and taking advantage of it should be reprehensible. This doesn't render anyone who's ever had drunk sex a rapist in retrospect. We're talking about people who are beyond an obvious threshold of inebriation.

[Lowcalcium]

Suffer your interpretation of what it is to be a man
I've got some skin
You want to look in
She does nothing to deserve it
He only wants to observe it
We sit back like they taught us
We keep quiet like they taught us
He just wants to prove it
She does nothing to remove it
We don't want anyone to mind us
So we play the roles that they assigned us
She does nothing to conceal it
He touches her 'cause he wants to feel it
We blame her for being there
But we are all guilty

[Painted Baby]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

It's not a stretch to say that online culture has changed hook ups pretty radically. Just stop with the drunken pick ups and get through the awkward chat up in the DMs.

[Xen]

cancelled skateboards has a heavy team

HAHA

[excitableboy]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In general, I don't think any one is arguing that having sex with someone who's caught a buzz is an act that is categorically morally reprehensible. As this one does, the discussion typically centres around situations where someone is "blackout" drunk. In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify, and taking advantage of it should be reprehensible. This doesn't render anyone who's ever had drunk sex a rapist in retrospect. We're talking about people who are beyond an obvious threshold of inebriation.

I agree that my choice of words seems heavy-handed. But evidently, the threshold isn't nearly conspicuous enough in practice. There seems to be a newfound appreciation for a fact we've always been aware of at some level: that judging degrees of intoxication, even one's own, is a treacherous business. Things surely seem to be taking a turn for the Kantian. I don't know if that is a good thing, but it is the logical direction and, as jakeumms said, it strikes me as a pretty radical shift.

[DA BIG BODY BENZ]

I would rape figgy in a game of skate bleeeee dat

[georgethecat]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In general, I don't think any one is arguing that having sex with someone who's caught a buzz is an act that is categorically morally reprehensible. As this one does, the discussion typically centres around situations where someone is "blackout" drunk. In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify, and taking advantage of it should be reprehensible. This doesn't render anyone who's ever had drunk sex a rapist in retrospect. We're talking about people who are beyond an obvious threshold of inebriation.

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I agree that my choice of words seems heavy-handed. But evidently, the threshold isn't nearly conspicuous enough in practice. There seems to be a newfound appreciation for a fact we've always been aware of at some level: that judging degrees of intoxication, even one's own, is a treacherous business. Things surely seem to be taking a turn for the Kantian. I don't know if that is a good thing, but it is the logical direction and, as jakeumms said, it strikes me as a pretty radical shift.

I don't know that the threshold has ever been inconspicuous. Does someone seem too drunk? Or are you unsure whether they're too drunk? Then leave them be. Most reasonable people can easily perform this calculation. The only thing that's changed is that you can't inconspicuously get away with refusing to do it.

[Classy Durag]

So figgy says she had a boyfriend at the time and this girl is saying she was single. I don’t know who is telling the truth and I don’t really give a fuck. why we talking about this shit when the pentagon says they have a ufo... also do u think aliens eat booty? #EatabootyGANG

[Brguy]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify

Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

[georgethecat]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

Damn, I guess there's no way of telling whether someone is providing consent because you stationary kickflipped on benzos one time. 

[Telly]

Not to trivialize but it’s much the same as bartending.  If you would serve them another drink, even if they have had a few drinks, then it is probably consensual, despite the involvement of alcohol by one or both parties.
But if she(or he) came up to the bar and you would suggest to them having a water or some food then probably out of the realm of legal consent.
Am I crazy to think of it that way?  Been in a relationship for a long time so I’m probably a little out of touch.  And I hated bartending.

[Telly]

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

A) is this kickflip on film because if not I’m just guessing the drugs just might have glorified it in your mind. 
B) everybody could tell you were fucked up

[Atiba Applebum]

Not to trivialize but it’s much the same as bartending.  If you would serve them another drink, even if they have had a few drinks, then it is probably consensual, despite the involvement of alcohol by one or both parties.
But if she(or he) came up to the bar and you would suggest to them having a water or some food then probably out of the realm of legal consent.
Am I crazy to think of it that way?  Been in a relationship for a long time so I’m probably a little out of touch.  And I hated bartending.

Your user name and being on the side of reason here kills me every time

[Telly]

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Not to trivialize but it’s much the same as bartending.  If you would serve them another drink, even if they have had a few drinks, then it is probably consensual, despite the involvement of alcohol by one or both parties.
But if she(or he) came up to the bar and you would suggest to them having a water or some food then probably out of the realm of legal consent.
Am I crazy to think of it that way?  Been in a relationship for a long time so I’m probably a little out of touch.  And I hated bartending.

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Your user name and being on the side of reason here kills me every time

 
Wasn’t a reference to the movie, which I haven’t seen.  The first couple times people on here said something about it I had no idea what they were talking about. 

[theSketchLord]

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I judge people I have never met and never will meet based on the Instagram posts of a person I have never met and never will meet on a message board that is suppose to be a conversation about something beautiful(Skateboarding) in this insanely fucked up world but I’m here to cancel people - slap 2020

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Why do you come here?
And why do you hang around?

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I’m so sorry.
I’m so sorry.

You had to sneak into my room, just to read my diary.

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did anybody else notice that she was going pretty hard at posting stories until basically the moment that figgy made his post and has been silent since?  I wonder if they worked something out

[ok boomer]

I don't usually think about Justin "Figgy" Figueroa, but when I do, I like to call him Figgums.

[Brguy]

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

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Damn, I guess there's no way of telling whether someone is providing consent because you stationary kickflipped on benzos one time.

Come on, dude, don't be a jerk, that's obviously not the point and we both know you're not regular to be saying such stupid shit.

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

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A) is this kickflip on film because if not I’m just guessing the drugs just might have glorified it in your mind. 
B) everybody could tell you were fucked up

I don't remember, dude, that's the point. If she doesn't remember the Figgy encounter there's really no evidence from either side, she might have acted like she was slightly drunk even though she would wake up with no memory of anything. I'm not even saying this on that side of defending people who have been accused of raping others, it's just basic logic, unfortunately there's no way to prove who's saying the truth and this will probably go with the wind just like tons of other shitty things that happen all the time. The roommates are the only witnesses and it seems like they only saw figgy getting out, not the moment when both arrived.

[Ms. Tamzarian]

did anybody else notice that she was going pretty hard at posting stories until basically the moment that figgy made his post and has been silent since? 
I wonder if they worked something out

Or

And hear me out

She's exhausted by being vulnerable in the face of male incompetence, and / or tired of being harassed by mommy-issue manchildren like 75% of the fuckers in this thread who wince at respecting anybody but their (insert male false idol here).

[straight fucking edge]

could be



but




she made multiple posts about how those idiots don't get to her

[Telly]

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

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Damn, I guess there's no way of telling whether someone is providing consent because you stationary kickflipped on benzos one time.

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Come on, dude, don't be a jerk, that's obviously not the point and we both know you're not regular to be saying such stupid shit.

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That's the whole problem with rape and alcohol, you can't know when it starts affecting someones ability to give consent. Since the way the law is that any intoxication prevents consent, most people have committed rape since alcohol is used so much as a social lubricant. That gives women a lot of power by making rape such a grey zone.

I'd like to see these 'rape culture' advocates address these types of issues rather than simply push the 'women arent believed' narrative which only enables the crazies.

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call me crazy, but maybe if you're aware that intoxicated sex can count as "rape" you could just avoid having sex drunk?

(i can't wait to see what bullshit yall say to me for this one)

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I agree, but this does entail a paradigm shift. Drunk sex was always par for the course, albeit with a caveat of risk. Now it is a categorically, morally reprehensible act. It's not surprising that people are reluctant to adopt this view, as it renders many rapists in retrospect.

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In most instances, that's a pretty easy thing to identify

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Not really, my best kickflip ever was done while I was blacked out on clonazepam. Drug induced amnesia doesn't always equal being too wasted to act normal.

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A) is this kickflip on film because if not I’m just guessing the drugs just might have glorified it in your mind. 
B) everybody could tell you were fucked up

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I don't remember, dude, that's the point. If she doesn't remember the Figgy encounter there's really no evidence from either side, she might have acted like she was slightly drunk even though she would wake up with no memory of anything. I'm not even saying this on that side of defending people who have been accused of raping others, it's just basic logic, unfortunately there's no way to prove who's saying the truth and this will probably go with the wind just like tons of other shitty things that happen all the time. The roommates are the only witnesses and it seems like they only saw figgy getting out, not the moment when both arrived.

To play devils advocate:  she was inebriated so her story is less than credible but you can’t remember your best ever kickflip but we should take this anecdotal story as true?  In the words of televisions greatest poet warrior bubbles: “no offense son...You equivocating like a motherfucker.”

[ride the tiger]

If figgy was also drunk then he couldn't consent either 🤔