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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #60 on: August 28, 2020, 02:49:04 AM »

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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #61 on: August 28, 2020, 12:19:54 PM »
Anthony Huber Kyle Rittenhouse is a fucking hero.

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« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2020, 02:23:35 PM »
great, this fucking moron is back
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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #63 on: August 28, 2020, 02:59:43 PM »
Remember when you couldn’t bomb a mellow hill and fell into the lake
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« Reply #64 on: August 28, 2020, 06:24:34 PM »
RIP Antony Huber. (Unless you're actually a sex offender)


Fuck anyone trying to be the man. Fuck everyone who is being supportive of these "milita" cucks.

That was so so far away from ok shit to do.

That shit is exactly the same as gangsterism. The trash came in force via caravans to take lifes and then flee across state lines.

They should all be federaly fucked. That shit was a raid.

Kyle is going to fold like a wet napkin on his right wing buds because they left him behind to get killed. Then what? They get absorbed into gen pop? No fucking way.

Stick a fork in Kyle that dude is fucking done.

It hard to pay the extortion money and pay the lawyer.
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« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2020, 09:12:11 PM »
Ever wonder how people went along and justified support for the actual the Nazis back in the day despite how batshit psychopathic they were?

Now you know.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and it’s really disheartening to see the amount of people who would follow along in a similar situation. I had an old co worker today try to call Kyle a hero and referred to blm as thugs/ rioters. It just blows my mind..

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« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2020, 09:44:49 PM »
What’s amazing is that I had been a Forum member since 2003 and I always remembered this place as having some of the freest speech on the whole internet. Porn, gore, racial and homophobic slurs—you could get away with anything except for flooding and spam.

But political correctness and cancel culture have become so pervasive as to infect even this once-sacred place. All it took was for Trump to be elected for this board to go from no-fucks-given to snowflake SJWs. Now you’re slamming down the banhammer on Pals who dare to share what amounts to a mainstream, centrist take on a controversial news item.

No, the right to self-defense is not a “far-right” or racist or white supremacist or Nazi position. What Europoor posters and the American traitors who don’t appreciate the Bill of Rights fail to understand is that citizen militias are part of the proud history of the United States. As the quaint and normally quiet city of Kenosha’s downtown was burned and looted, local small businesses destroyed, people’s vehicles totaled, the city PD, the Sheriff’s Department and even the National Guard were clearly overwhelmed and had directed most available resources to securing the county courthouse from certain destruction. Which is exactly why you saw deputies thank Kyle Rittenhouse and his fellow patriots for their presence in an (ultimately inadequate) attempt to bring order during what amounted to a terrorist insurgency.

Fact: Anthony Huber won himself a Darwin Award by bringing a skateboard to a rifle fight. He was not a hero, but a proven criminal with a felony record for violent activity who died during an attempted robbery/murder.

Fact: Kyle Rittenhouse was retreating from attack when someone unknown fired a handgun either in the air or in his direction and as he turned around Joseph Rosenbaum attempted to take his weapon at which point Kyle fired in self-defense. If any of you morons actually did any research before running your mouths you'd know that the New York Times's own rigorous of available footage shows Kyle did not fire first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

Fact: After successfully defending himself from Rosenbaum, Kyle ensured Rosenbaum was being attended to before calling 911 and informing the operator he had just shot someone in self-defense.

Fact: As an angry mob approached, Kyle retreated on foot and was attacked by multiple assailants, including Huber who swung a skateboard (deadly weapon) at him. Grosskreutz (a convicted felon) feigned surrender (a war crime as per the Geneva Convention) holding up his hands then as Kyle’s attention was diverted pulled an illegally carried pistol in an attempt to execute Kyle, who repelled the attack by shooting him in the arm. Rather than finishing Grosskreutz, Kyle retreated yet again toward police in an attempt to surrender.

Fact: Kyle’s legal defense has already raised massive amounts of funding, possibly into the seven figures, as the greatest defense team since the OJ Simpson trial assembles to free him from an unjust, politically motivated, malicious prosecution.

Fact: political organizations from around the country are rallying to defend Kyle’s actions. He literally did nothing wrong.

Fact: Kyle's rifle never left Wisconsin and even if it had it’s not clear that it would be unlawful. I’ve also seen plenty of Wisconsin-based legal opinion that at 17 he was indeed allowed to open carry a rifle in that state.

FACT: Wanted felon Jacob Blake fought with Kenosha PD and nearly won himself a Darwin award by resisting arrest and walking with purpose toward his vehicle door, opening it and reaching inside. If you can watch that video and not be convinced it was a justifiable shooting, it shows you know nothing about police procedure.

Seethe more, commie scum. Kyle is walking, Trump is getting re-elected and Slap is turning into a triggered SJW echo chamber shithole. P.S. Bobby Worrest is overrated.

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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2020, 10:00:02 PM »
FACT: This account literally registered a day ago ^^^

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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #68 on: August 28, 2020, 10:44:48 PM »
That was a lot of typing just to say you're okay with murder.


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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2020, 12:56:43 AM »
Again,

Not self defense. He was being disarmed after shooting someone.

 No one tried to kill him, only one person did the killing, and that was a kid who brought a gun illegally to a place he had no business being.

Cling to your tropes, it won’t expunge you from trying to justify murder.

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« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2020, 01:31:03 AM »
What’s amazing is that I had been a Forum member since 2003 and I always remembered this place as having some of the freest speech on the whole internet. Porn, gore, racial and homophobic slurs—you could get away with anything except for flooding and spam.

But political correctness and cancel culture have become so pervasive as to infect even this once-sacred place. All it took was for Trump to be elected for this board to go from no-fucks-given to snowflake SJWs. Now you’re slamming down the banhammer on Pals who dare to share what amounts to a mainstream, centrist take on a controversial news item.

No, the right to self-defense is not a “far-right” or racist or white supremacist or Nazi position. What Europoor posters and the American traitors who don’t appreciate the Bill of Rights fail to understand is that citizen militias are part of the proud history of the United States. As the quaint and normally quiet city of Kenosha’s downtown was burned and looted, local small businesses destroyed, people’s vehicles totaled, the city PD, the Sheriff’s Department and even the National Guard were clearly overwhelmed and had directed most available resources to securing the county courthouse from certain destruction. Which is exactly why you saw deputies thank Kyle Rittenhouse and his fellow patriots for their presence in an (ultimately inadequate) attempt to bring order during what amounted to a terrorist insurgency.

Fact: Anthony Huber won himself a Darwin Award by bringing a skateboard to a rifle fight. He was not a hero, but a proven criminal with a felony record for violent activity who died during an attempted robbery/murder.

Fact: Kyle Rittenhouse was retreating from attack when someone unknown fired a handgun either in the air or in his direction and as he turned around Joseph Rosenbaum attempted to take his weapon at which point Kyle fired in self-defense. If any of you morons actually did any research before running your mouths you'd know that the New York Times's own rigorous of available footage shows Kyle did not fire first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

Fact: After successfully defending himself from Rosenbaum, Kyle ensured Rosenbaum was being attended to before calling 911 and informing the operator he had just shot someone in self-defense.

Fact: As an angry mob approached, Kyle retreated on foot and was attacked by multiple assailants, including Huber who swung a skateboard (deadly weapon) at him. Grosskreutz (a convicted felon) feigned surrender (a war crime as per the Geneva Convention) holding up his hands then as Kyle’s attention was diverted pulled an illegally carried pistol in an attempt to execute Kyle, who repelled the attack by shooting him in the arm. Rather than finishing Grosskreutz, Kyle retreated yet again toward police in an attempt to surrender.

Fact: Kyle’s legal defense has already raised massive amounts of funding, possibly into the seven figures, as the greatest defense team since the OJ Simpson trial assembles to free him from an unjust, politically motivated, malicious prosecution.

Fact: political organizations from around the country are rallying to defend Kyle’s actions. He literally did nothing wrong.

Fact: Kyle's rifle never left Wisconsin and even if it had it’s not clear that it would be unlawful. I’ve also seen plenty of Wisconsin-based legal opinion that at 17 he was indeed allowed to open carry a rifle in that state.

FACT: Wanted felon Jacob Blake fought with Kenosha PD and nearly won himself a Darwin award by resisting arrest and walking with purpose toward his vehicle door, opening it and reaching inside. If you can watch that video and not be convinced it was a justifiable shooting, it shows you know nothing about police procedure.

Seethe more, commie scum. Kyle is walking, Trump is getting re-elected and Slap is turning into a triggered SJW echo chamber shithole. P.S. Bobby Worrest is overrated.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcuh-phLsX/?igshid=1ckhmidlneqzv

Or your 10+ paragraph essay justifying murder by wannabe kid cops.
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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2020, 02:10:35 AM »
Yeah, there's no point to engage with someone who's some edgelord troll idiot at best / white supremacist asshole moron at worst.

Can't bother to rebute that amount of bullshit, but I will say that I loathe that "the people he killed were "insert some lame justification here""-talking point, that some douche bags use to justify the murders. The murderer wasn't a wannabe Robocop who had the instant knowledge of who he's killing, it's just at a complete random. It could have been a future Hitler, but most likely it was someones brother, sister, son, daughter, father, best friend or anything between.

And I can't take anyone who shares those "gatewaybundit" links seriously, that site is like reading the Onion, but not funny at all. Anyone who has even a slight amount of media literacy could see their contents being a total bullshit. But I know there are a lot folks that get sucked in to shit like that and it's sad as hell to see.

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« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2020, 04:52:14 AM »
Should have been at home with your wife and your step daughter, not out in the street at midnight creating chaos and swinging skateboard trucks. Especially not when your target is carrying and AR-15. Just seems like a poor long-term planning.

Shooting looked like self defense to me, but this shit was senseless and pointless from all parties involved.

Please delete your account and seriously reassess what you posted. Start new tomorrow.

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« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2020, 05:43:27 AM »
one lawyer's attempt to objectively break down and discuss this awful mess

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE

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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2020, 05:46:10 AM »
Given being European makes me unable to understand the "proud history of the United States"
what i know is if Police is overwhelmed, you call the army
you don't let kids with guns do the job

your whole narrative is nauseating

I just hope there's more humanity in your judicial system than in "centrists" like you...

Only weak minds use terms like SJW, political correctness, cancel culture, snowflakes
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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #76 on: August 29, 2020, 05:51:14 AM »
Lets be honest, if a black kid traveled across state lines to a klan rally in a BLM shirt with an AR-15 and some white supremacist confronted him and he shot them, he would not get off with that self-defense excuse, and the same people defending Kyle Whateverhouse, would have called that black kid the agitator who went into a situation where he wanted to kill white people.

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« Reply #77 on: August 29, 2020, 06:09:00 AM »
one lawyer's attempt to objectively break down and discuss this awful mess

Ah yes, someone who wears a shirt with a rifle and "essential" ja cap with "#thepewpewlife" is definitely someone who can objectively comment on the problems, dangers and normalization of gun violence in the United States. (Not to mention it takes a second to look at his other videos to see where he stands, so there's zero chances he's gonna say that he's on the wrong side and it's not OK to give (semi-automatic) weapons to kids, because that would contradict everything else he's standing on).

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« Reply #78 on: August 29, 2020, 06:10:22 AM »

proud history of the United States.



lol
Now, we used to say we put on our tights to put on the world. So I don't think it tarnishes the image at all.

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« Reply #79 on: August 29, 2020, 06:18:31 AM »
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one lawyer's attempt to objectively break down and discuss this awful mess
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Ah yes, someone who wears a shirt with a rifle and "essential" ja cap with "#thepewpewlife" is definitely someone who can objectively comment on the problems, dangers and normalization of gun violence in the United States. (Not to mention it takes a second to look at his other videos to see where he stands, so there's zero chances he's gonna say that he's on the wrong side and it's not OK to give (semi-automatic) weapons to kids, because that would contradict everything else he's standing on).

thanks for commenting on his clothes and other videos--do you have anything to say about his actual break down of the events and his attempts to figure out how the law may or may not apply?

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« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2020, 06:21:56 AM »

Crazy how property damage is considered not to be the correct response for murder, but murder is considered the correct response for property damage.
For someone w.no signature ur awfully hostile, & that is why I do this

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« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2020, 06:39:51 AM »
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That was a lot of typing just to say you're okay with murder.
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Bounce, Lame_Nigga.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/kyle-rittenhouse-working-lifeguard-kenosha-day-shooting-went-clean-vandalism-school-work/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Didn't know cleaning graffiti gives you a free pass to kill 2 people. Guess most of us have some passes to use since legit almost everyone has done volunteer work at some point.

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« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2020, 07:03:05 AM »
Didn't know cleaning graffiti gives you a free pass to kill 2 people. Guess most of us have some passes to use since legit almost everyone has done volunteer work at some point.

Yeah, remember when Ted Bundy’s lawyers fans argued that his actions were fine because he volunteered at a suicide prevention hotline? That’s why he got off and didn’t fry.
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« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2020, 08:14:47 AM »
I've been a member on this forum since it probably first started. The funny thing is in the time since then I have grown up. I'm a much more mature person. Also, the world at large has grown up.

If you're on here thinking this place is a time machine to go back to 2003, then simply, fuck off.

That's like thinking if this place existed since before civil rights then I should be able to still act like the racist, homophobic jackass that was accepted back then.

Grow up. There are now teenagers with a more mature outlook. I'm raising one.

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« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2020, 08:34:08 AM »
Someone buy layzieyez a beer or suitable equivalent for being consistently one of the most well spoken posters on here.
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« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2020, 08:58:32 AM »

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Crazy how property damage is considered not to be the correct response for murder, but murder is considered the correct response for property damage.
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Allen, i know you're quoting someone else here and that this is directed at the unfortunately large body of malignant Americans who think that protecting property is ever a reason to kill another human being (i completely disagree), but nevertheless, for those of us who have forced ourselves to sit through break-downs of these fucked events (not just the one above in this thread, but the one in the New York Times too), i have to ask, who was murdered because of “property damage”?

i wish all of the young people involved would have stayed home that night, with all of my heart i do. unfortunately though, the people directly involved had traveled to Kenosha for their--very--different reasons. i’m yet to see any footage showing that the actual shooting broke out as a reaction to either Anthony Huber or Joseph Rosenbaum simply “damaging property.”

the FIRST fucking thing that Jacob Blake’s mom did when first speaking publicly is adamantly distance her son and her family from the rioting, destruction, and looting supposedly being done in his name, and i do not blame her. the fact that this conversation is now about all of these other people and all of these other events says everything about how completely lost the actual victims of racist police brutality become in the chaos that follows these days.

the destruction and looting is not changing anyone’s mind on the “other side” (quite the opposite in fact) and the family wants nothing to do with it, so what was the objective that night? catharsis for the protestors?

in my years of university teaching, in a number of my classes where we have dealt with what went down in Detroit in 1967, i have always approached it from the perspective that it was a “rebellion,” and not a “riot,” and i will continue to do so. the people who took part in it were actually FROM the city itself and were reacting to unbearable conditions to which THEY were directly subject. (in the past months, i am proud that in the city of Detroit, the protestors have tried to remain peaceful and nothing has been destroyed, which has simply worked to emphasize and illuminate when/how the police are being especially draconian.)

this is not the case with many of the white kids taking part in the riots and looting that otherwise peaceful protests have been declining into at night in the past months. and i’m not just talking about the white kids that drive from other cities--i’m talking about some of the privileged, gentrifying hypocrites destroying businesses and looting, who can just up and leave once there’s nowhere to get groceries, medication, etc....unlike all of the poor, elderly, and disabled people stranded in these burnt out and destroyed neighborhoods in which they’ve lived all or most of their lives, and who are being left with nowhere to buy food and nowhere to get the medication they need, and who can’t even get on public transit to go somewhere else, because it has been interrupted due to the destruction.

i disagree as much with burning down grocery stores and pharmacies and medical-supply stores that poor, old, and disabled people depend upon for their very lives, as i do with ANYONE bringing a gun to a place/situation that one knows is going to be volatile and out of control...

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« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2020, 11:50:42 AM »
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Ever wonder how people went along and justified support for the actual the Nazis back in the day despite how batshit psychopathic they were?

Now you know.
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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and it’s really disheartening to see the amount of people who would follow along in a similar situation. I had an old co worker today try to call Kyle a hero and referred to blm as thugs/ rioters. It just blows my mind..

I was thinking along these same lines this week and the events of the past few months have convinced me that most Germans were probably just assholes.

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« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2020, 12:24:14 PM »
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Crazy how property damage is considered not to be the correct response for murder, but murder is considered the correct response for property damage.
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Allen, i know you're quoting someone else here and that this is directed at the unfortunately large body of malignant Americans who think that protecting property is ever a reason to kill another human being (i completely disagree), but nevertheless, for those of us who have forced ourselves to sit through break-downs of these fucked events (not just the one above in this thread, but the one in the New York Times too), i have to ask, who was murdered because of “property damage”?

i wish all of the young people involved would have stayed home that night, with all of my heart i do. unfortunately though, the people directly involved had traveled to Kenosha for their--very--different reasons. i’m yet to see any footage showing that the actual shooting broke out as a reaction to either Anthony Huber or Joseph Rosenbaum simply “damaging property.”

the FIRST fucking thing that Jacob Blake’s mom did when first speaking publicly is adamantly distance her son and her family from the rioting, destruction, and looting supposedly being done in his name, and i do not blame her. the fact that this conversation is now about all of these other people and all of these other events says everything about how completely lost the actual victims of racist police brutality become in the chaos that follows these days.

the destruction and looting is not changing anyone’s mind on the “other side” (quite the opposite in fact) and the family wants nothing to do with it, so what was the objective that night? catharsis for the protestors?

in my years of university teaching, in a number of my classes where we have dealt with what went down in Detroit in 1967, i have always approached it from the perspective that it was a “rebellion,” and not a “riot,” and i will continue to do so. the people who took part in it were actually FROM the city itself and were reacting to unbearable conditions to which THEY were directly subject. (in the past months, i am proud that in the city of Detroit, the protestors have tried to remain peaceful and nothing has been destroyed, which has simply worked to emphasize and illuminate when/how the police are being especially draconian.)

this is not the case with many of the white kids taking part in the riots and looting that otherwise peaceful protests have been declining into at night in the past months. and i’m not just talking about the white kids that drive from other cities--i’m talking about some of the privileged, gentrifying hypocrites destroying businesses and looting, who can just up and leave once there’s nowhere to get groceries, medication, etc....unlike all of the poor, elderly, and disabled people stranded in these burnt out and destroyed neighborhoods in which they’ve lived all or most of their lives, and who are being left with nowhere to buy food and nowhere to get the medication they need, and who can’t even get on public transit to go somewhere else, because it has been interrupted due to the destruction.

i disagree as much with burning down grocery stores and pharmacies and medical-supply stores that poor, old, and disabled people depend upon for their very lives, as i do with ANYONE bringing a gun to a place/situation that one knows is going to be volatile and out of control...

Cool, I’m from Detroit. That was a rebellion. Glad we have that out of the way.

The two in Kenosha were murdered by a privileged white kid who had a ride from his mother into a different state to ‘protect property,’ presumably from property damage.

With all due respect you cannot play both sides the way you are. There is a certain point where you must decide what is worth it. I’m not pro burning shit down but I understand why these things happen - protesting does not work. Nothing has changed since Floyd, or Breona Taylor, or Elijah McClain and up until yesterday an innocent man, already permanently maimed by the police supposed to protect and serve the public, was hand cuffed to a hospital bed and cops were refusing to explain why - violating his rights.

I can part with some buildings and property* in order for serious change to happen. People are literally being told “your lives don’t matter.” These people are fucking livid, and rightly so. The police are clearly working with hate groups and attacking peaceful protestors around the country and more people are showing up demanding things change. Yeah, I wish there weren’t protests either because I wish things weren’t like this.
This shit shouldn’t be political. Police should not be able to kill citizens. Police shouldn’t be aiding and thanking murderers.  The self defense argument doesn’t work either: if columbine had happened in 2020 and a student In a Bernie shirt rushed Klebold and Harris during columbine and got shot, they’d argue the kid had it coming. Shoulda stayed home that day. Shouldn’t have rushed a guy with a gun.

*i don’t want mom and pops to lose capitol/inventory/their space. Fuck all the major chains and big box stores and the like. They make more off of the lives of the same disenfranchised people than we could ever comprehend.

I understand my bias but things are going to continue to get worse until They listen.

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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2020, 12:33:50 PM »
You sound like the fucking Bobby Puleo of protests
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Re: Kenosha shooting - skater involved
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2020, 01:00:33 PM »
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Crazy how property damage is considered not to be the correct response for murder, but murder is considered the correct response for property damage.
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Allen, i know you're quoting someone else here and that this is directed at the unfortunately large body of malignant Americans who think that protecting property is ever a reason to kill another human being (i completely disagree), but nevertheless, for those of us who have forced ourselves to sit through break-downs of these fucked events (not just the one above in this thread, but the one in the New York Times too), i have to ask, who was murdered because of “property damage”?

i wish all of the young people involved would have stayed home that night, with all of my heart i do. unfortunately though, the people directly involved had traveled to Kenosha for their--very--different reasons. i’m yet to see any footage showing that the actual shooting broke out as a reaction to either Anthony Huber or Joseph Rosenbaum simply “damaging property.”

the FIRST fucking thing that Jacob Blake’s mom did when first speaking publicly is adamantly distance her son and her family from the rioting, destruction, and looting supposedly being done in his name, and i do not blame her. the fact that this conversation is now about all of these other people and all of these other events says everything about how completely lost the actual victims of racist police brutality become in the chaos that follows these days.

the destruction and looting is not changing anyone’s mind on the “other side” (quite the opposite in fact) and the family wants nothing to do with it, so what was the objective that night? catharsis for the protestors?

in my years of university teaching, in a number of my classes where we have dealt with what went down in Detroit in 1967, i have always approached it from the perspective that it was a “rebellion,” and not a “riot,” and i will continue to do so. the people who took part in it were actually FROM the city itself and were reacting to unbearable conditions to which THEY were directly subject. (in the past months, i am proud that in the city of Detroit, the protestors have tried to remain peaceful and nothing has been destroyed, which has simply worked to emphasize and illuminate when/how the police are being especially draconian.)

this is not the case with many of the white kids taking part in the riots and looting that otherwise peaceful protests have been declining into at night in the past months. and i’m not just talking about the white kids that drive from other cities--i’m talking about some of the privileged, gentrifying hypocrites destroying businesses and looting, who can just up and leave once there’s nowhere to get groceries, medication, etc....unlike all of the poor, elderly, and disabled people stranded in these burnt out and destroyed neighborhoods in which they’ve lived all or most of their lives, and who are being left with nowhere to buy food and nowhere to get the medication they need, and who can’t even get on public transit to go somewhere else, because it has been interrupted due to the destruction.

i disagree as much with burning down grocery stores and pharmacies and medical-supply stores that poor, old, and disabled people depend upon for their very lives, as i do with ANYONE bringing a gun to a place/situation that one knows is going to be volatile and out of control...
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Cool, I’m from Detroit. That was a rebellion. Glad we have that out of the way.

The two in Kenosha were murdered by a privileged white kid who had a ride from his mother into a different state to ‘protect property,’ presumably from property damage.

With all due respect you cannot play both sides the way you are. There is a certain point where you must decide what is worth it. I’m not pro burning shit down but I understand why these things happen - protesting does not work. Nothing has changed since Floyd, or Breona Taylor, or Elijah McClain and up until yesterday an innocent man, already permanently maimed by the police supposed to protect and serve the public, was hand cuffed to a hospital bed and cops were refusing to explain why - violating his rights.

I can part with some buildings and property* in order for serious change to happen. People are literally being told “your lives don’t matter.” These people are fucking livid, and rightly so. The police are clearly working with hate groups and attacking peaceful protestors around the country and more people are showing up demanding things change. Yeah, I wish there weren’t protests either because I wish things weren’t like this.
This shit shouldn’t be political. Police should not be able to kill citizens. Police shouldn’t be aiding and thanking murderers.  The self defense argument doesn’t work either: if columbine had happened in 2020 and a student In a Bernie shirt rushed Klebold and Harris during columbine and got shot, they’d argue the kid had it coming. Shoulda stayed home that day. Shouldn’t have rushed a guy with a gun.

*i don’t want mom and pops to lose capitol/inventory/their space. Fuck all the major chains and big box stores and the like. They make more off of the lives of the same disenfranchised people than we could ever comprehend.

I understand my bias but things are going to continue to get worse until They listen.

you're "from" Detroit? ok...i've lived in the city for over 30 years so it would be funny if we actually know each other...probably not though...

...even funnier, is, did you really just give me an ultimatum? do i need to choose a side--like there's only two? if you're actually "from" the city, then you know how many poor and working people in the 130-some square miles of the neighborhoods outside of downtown, want more efficiency and accountability from the police, but definitely want the police.

do i sound like i do not understand why cities are--and have--been burning in response to police brutality? but thanks for explaining that nonetheless.

and was that esoteric Puleo comment meant for me, because if so, you need to explain....