Covid vaccine

[layzieyez]

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Too late. He gost.

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That's cool. It's so obvious how many of the "do the research" people have never read or done any actual scientific research. Must be fun LARPing the role of an intellectual for them.

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You may be surprised to learn that the most vaccine hesitant people are also the most educated and most likely to have done actual scientific research. No LARPing involved.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh?li=BBnbfcL

"Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society - the people certified to become doctors and treat the virus - are not only the most hesitant about getting vaccinated but are also the least likely to change their minds about it."

Oh look, a non peer reviewed yet to be published study. Could it be that it was news worthy for it's content despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review? Great gotcha you got there.

[ProjectBluebeam]

despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review?

just like the vaccine haha

[layzieyez]

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despite the fact that it hasn't undergone proper rigorous review?

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just like the vaccine haha

What is your definition of rigorous review for a vaccine?

[TheLurper]

Why did they survey 5 million people? That is a huge waste of time and effort. Accurate results could be found with a much smaller sample size.

Also, the only way this makes sense to me is if it counts people who have religious "doctorates" (or if they didn't exclude obvious bullshit surveys... how does one clean 5 million surveys and prepare that data to be analyzed?)

And it's weird it says, "Researchers concluded that the most educated people in our society - the people certified to become doctors and treat the virus." PhDs are not MDs and are not certified to treat anything. Everyone involved in this article should know this.

What does Gallup or PEW have to say about this?

[Movies]

I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.

Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?

If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?

If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?

Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.

https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6

[pugmaster]

"95.3 of respondents self reported that they are were in fact not robots. When asked to indicate which tiles included a street sign, 68% accurately identified each instance of a street sign."

A self reporting of degree hahaha man it would be fun to review the methods on this one.

[Hevonen]

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Had my second shot couple days ago. After the first one my shoulder was really sore and I slept for the entire day and felt a bit feverish the next day. This time there was no side effects whatsoever. Don't even know what I got since there was some mixup, but the first one was Pfizer.

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Have you had COVID before? Or may have had it? I read that if your reaction to the first shot is pretty severe you may have already had exposure to COVID.

Not that I know of. Felt a bit sick (just tired and had a headache) for a week when this first started to pop off, but it was so early that there weren't any tests yet. Was semi sick for a a day or two in January but the test came back negative. I'm around people a lot in my job, so it's possible I've caught it but been symptomless then

[mj23]

I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.

Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?

If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?

If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?

Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.

https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6

Does vaccine stop transmission: to a significant degree yes, but not completely. Vaxed spreaders exist, but they spew fewer germs

Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too. Another reason is that screening tests have become really accessible, and are now required by many businesses, schools, vacation resorts, etc. You can go buy a home test at the drug store now. So even when people have barely any symptoms they can still get identified by the testing systems. So the case counts go up even if a lot of people aren’t very sick

Does it just not work on Delta: Not confirmed yet afaik. But seems like it protects similarly.

If the vax prevents severe symptoms, why not let individuals choose: because the goal is herd immunity, which will slow down the mutation of new variants. It also means less germs flying around little kids who can’t get vaccinated yet. But also… many states *do* let the individual choose. For example, I’m about to move to Texas, where it’s basically illegal for employers or schools to require vaccinations.

Hope this is helpful.

[Deputy Wendell]

Well, we're done and laid up at casa de iusedtoskatemore for a while, I figure. Started feeling kind of lousy toward Saturday evening, scheduled covid tests for Monday AM. Got an email last night that at a poorly organized work training (70 people split between 2 classrooms for 2 days with mandatory "working lunches") someone tested + for covid. I'm not feeling deathly ill or anything, but my lungs are beat and my body is feeling progressively weak. It's almost laborious to type but I'm not ready to go back to sleep just yet. Might get some oomph after I eat some oatmeal and take ibuprofen.

regarding what @mj23 writes about Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too I live in the 2nd least vaccinated county in California. I don't think we've hit 50% yet. There was a guy on the local community radio last night who, about going to concerts said "take your masks off and be free. they want you to be afraid." There was a big old hippy party in the park last weekend, lots of international travelers hanging out and being dirty. And it's not just the hippies, I've heard numerous educators argue against masks and vaccines for the start of school year.

This shit sucks. I'm sure we'll be fine- we're vaccinated, live and eat clean, are all around conscious of our health, and haven't done any big group thing other than this mandatory training the whole darn time. Maybe we don't have it, but my gal can't taste much and I hear that's a symptom. I'll keep y'all in the loop.

stay safe and be kind

you gotta know how many of us in here are wishing you and yours all the best friend

[Fhk]

Well, we're done and laid up at casa de iusedtoskatemore for a while, I figure. Started feeling kind of lousy toward Saturday evening, scheduled covid tests for Monday AM. Got an email last night that at a poorly organized work training (70 people split between 2 classrooms for 2 days with mandatory "working lunches") someone tested + for covid. I'm not feeling deathly ill or anything, but my lungs are beat and my body is feeling progressively weak. It's almost laborious to type but I'm not ready to go back to sleep just yet. Might get some oomph after I eat some oatmeal and take ibuprofen.

regarding what @mj23 writes about Why are numbers rising despite majority vaccination: partly because of the above (some spread still possible), but largely because in most of these hot spots there is a really slim majority vaccinated. If 52% of people get the shots, that’s technically a majority, but there are still a lot of unvaccinated people too I live in the 2nd least vaccinated county in California. I don't think we've hit 50% yet. There was a guy on the local community radio last night who, about going to concerts said "take your masks off and be free. they want you to be afraid." There was a big old hippy party in the park last weekend, lots of international travelers hanging out and being dirty. And it's not just the hippies, I've heard numerous educators argue against masks and vaccines for the start of school year.

This shit sucks. I'm sure we'll be fine- we're vaccinated, live and eat clean, are all around conscious of our health, and haven't done any big group thing other than this mandatory training the whole darn time. Maybe we don't have it, but my gal can't taste much and I hear that's a symptom. I'll keep y'all in the loop.

stay safe and be kind

Sry to hear this bud..I hope you guys are back to 100% soon. If it is COVID..it has no chance against the 5oh8!!! Hope that got ya to smile brutha 

[Alan]

Hope it's not the rona and hope you're feeling better soon, @IusedToSkateMore

[Loki700]

Why did they survey 5 million people? That is a huge waste of time and effort. Accurate results could be found with a much smaller sample size.

If you read the study they pared it down to 500,000 people.  They also had people self identifying what education level they are so there was no actual control against people lying to make their opinion carry more weight.

Also, if you look at it, 2% of their sample size had PhDs, but only 1% of the population at large in the US have a PhD in reality.  Even fewer than that percentage have a science focused PhD.  Also, 13% or so of the 500,000 responses they chose had an undefined education level.

In short, the study is complete garbage, and even more so since it hasn't been peer reviewed.  My brother tried pulling that study on me.

I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.

Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?

If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?

@Movies, to answer your question, yes, it stops transmission of certain variants, but from what I understand, not the Delta variant.  At the time that the vaccines were developed, it wasn't known that the Delta variant was the predominant variant in the US, and there was really no way to know.

The important thing though, is that it still protects against transmission of other variants, so it's still very much worth getting, and it lessens the symptoms of the Delta variant so it could very well still save lives.

Admittedly some of my explanation may be slightly off, like maybe it does stop transmission of the Delta variant.  I've got a degree in Mechanical Engineering, so Biology and Chemistry aren't my strong suits.  Luckily I'm married to a doctor of Biochemistry and she helps shore up those weaknesses, but not everything she explains to me sticks in my head.

[johnes]

I'm starting to feel really confused by all the contradictory info coming out of the various government / health / media institutions.

Does the vaccine actually stop transmission?

If it does, then why are the number of infections rising when the majority of people are vaccinated?
If it doesn't, then why all the scapegoating of un-vaccinated people?
Does it just not work on the Delta version?

If the vaccines only stop the onset of severe symptoms and death, then why not let individual adults make that risk analysis for themselves? Can someone explain how the logic works on this?

Something is definitely not adding up here... and yes I am vaccinated.

https://vancouversun.com/news/world/vaccinated-people-spreading-delta-variant-just-as-quickly-as-the-unvaccinated-leaked-cdc-document/wcm/cbfd13dc-5d06-40d9-9400-e96a4e5d72b6

You can still get and spread covid if you get the vaccine but it makes you less likely to get a bad case of covid and less likely of getting covid in general.
The covid vaccine is a “leaky” vaccine. Leaky vaccines can lead to worse variants overtime.
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
I get my second vax shot next week.

[Fhk]

still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure

-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...

-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak

-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.

-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak

-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.

-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.

-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.

edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.

edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.

stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.

Damn kihd  I hope this shit turns around very soon for you two. I know with your Pma you will kick this things ass.

[TheLurper]

still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure

-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...

-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak

-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.

-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak

-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.

-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.

-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.

edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.

edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.

stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.

Fuck, good luck. That doesn't sound fun.

[Fhk]

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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure

-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...

-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak

-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.

-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak

-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.

-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.

-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.

edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.

edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.

stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.

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Damn kihd  I hope this shit turns around very soon for you two. I know with your Pma you will kick this things ass.

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yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.

@IusedToSkateMore Well get to feeling better and come on back to the Northbeast. Mexican brick lmao ohhh the stories. Keep us updated how ya making it homey

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still waiting on test results but this sickness sucks: update 6 days after possible known exposure

-feel pretty normal upon waking in the AM. As soon as I get moving it begins...

-fairly low-key but constant nausea. gurgling stomach. constant need to poop and I'm pooping a lot (just installed that Tushy bidet though and it's hecka tight). feels like I've gotta vomit for a while after I eat anything but if I don't eat, I'm incredibly weak

-shortness of breath. just talked on phone for 10 minutes and I'm winded with what feels like an elevated heart rate. Not even trying to go for a walk or anything.

-weakness in my arms. from the biceps downward, my arms are feeling exceptionally weak

-mental fatigue/fog is here. I'm fine typing and doing this sort of nothing mental exercise for a short period, but focus is a challenge and making decisions is moderately more challenging than usual.

-Vision is kind of weird when looking at a screen or trying to read a book. Almost like the letters want to squiggle and move around, but not quite there.

-Along with mental fog/fatigue, maybe due to seemingly increased heart rate and difficulty breathing, there's an element of constant anxiety involved.

edit: Also, my gal has mostly lost her sense of taste and smell. Mine is weakened. And it's not due to sinus congestion- I've been using the neti pot to stay clear.

edit 2: Some things that make it more bearable have been echinacia teas, cordyceps tincture has been a great anti inflammatory for the lungs, can't stress enough how much the ibuprofen 800mg seems to help.

stay safe out there pals. whatever this is, it sucks. I reckon it would be a lot worse if I weren't already quite healthy and I figure the vaccine has done some good anyways. Can't imagine how crappy it would be if I had to go into work though. I got winded just trying to clean some greasy bolts with simple green.

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Damn kihd  I hope this shit turns around very soon for you two. I know with your Pma you will kick this things ass.

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yeah my dude, it's what it is. Feeling like ass and dragging it all the way to the bank. Just laying low for a while, man. Sometimes it feels like I'm burnt out on that Mexican brick weed we used to get back in the day. the headache, tiredness, inability to think, and the body is just bleh, all that but no high ha ha ha ha at least I can just chill out and keep chilling. good lookin out!!! enjoy that ME august bro. I've been looking at land in upstate NY and VT again. mm mmm mmm. even If the prices are higher than before, they're less than out here for sure.

Get tested so you can share that info with your employer.  Maybe they will be open to zoom meetings for future trainings/staffings. Take care!!!

[layzieyez]

Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.

[Frank]

man, hope you recover fast. def sounds like you got it. all the people i know that had milder cases had this thing where it came in waves. they pretty much all said they felt better every few days and then it ramped up again and that kept going for 3-6 weeks for most of them.

9 days until my post-vaccination period is done and i'm officially vaxxed.

[johnes]

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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.

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thanks, my man. it's what it is.

7 days after known exposure:

-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)

-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.

-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.

-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.

-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.

I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks

Hope you start feeling better. You should probably get tested again, could be a false negative if that’s possible.

[pugmaster]

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Thanks for the update on your health. It's good to hear your current and future situation isn't completely dire. Keep on taking good care and maintaining your PMA.

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thanks, my man. it's what it is.

7 days after known exposure:

-got test results back- mine read negative- my lady's read positive. We can't figure it out, because we've both got the same thing going on. going to chalk it up that I've got the virus and didn't stick the testing stick up my nose far enough (the testing site has you do it yourself)

-felt real noice for the first hour or so out of bed. Went and chopped down 6 dead sunflowers that had stalks with a diameter bigger than my foot due to having been been fed ganja nutrients at start. Came in and had a phone call and ate food. I'm fucking exhausted and feel like I've got a low-key flu. hopefully ibuprofen kicks in soon so my low back isn't sore and tingly anymore.

-my chest still feels pretty constricted after exertion and phone call. elevated heart rate.

-very leaky sinuses. Ive got ear issues from what I believe was a bout with the rona back in late 19, early 20, and the tinnitus is screaming. pressure in the dome.

-whats most noticeable is how it comes in waves. It's like an hour of feeling moderately ok then 2 hours of not wanting to move or do anything.

I want to get high to make time go by but I don't think it's going to feel all that good. So I've got to find other stuff to do on the internet. SLAP and email is pretty much all I do. suggestions are wanted. thanks

I'd get retested, that could be a false negative

[dofrenzy]

@iusedtoskatemore. You are in my thoughts brother. 

[dustyassrocketswitchv]

pfizer gang

[Enrico Pallazzo]

Got exposed to someone with a breakthrough infection last week, I tested negative but my wife testing positive - she was down for the count for a few days, super bad fever, sinuses blocked, the whole deal. She’s doing better now but lost taste and smell about 3 days in and it hasn’t come back. Can’t imagine what it would have looked like unvaccinated. 

Fortunately we’ve been able to isolate separately and I’ve continued to test negative. I will say there was two days where I felt spacey, headachey, and a little feverish, so maybe that was my body dealing with it without becoming a full infection. She’s Pfizer and I’m Moderna for what it’s worth, but the original person with the breakthrough was also Moderna.

Rest up iusedtoskatemore, rooting for you - hopefully you’re feeling back to normal in a week or so.

[Dwyck]

Trying to convince my 60 year old diabetic cancer doctor mother to get the booster next month is going to be a battle. She is convinced the mRNA vaccine makes infections worse. Got her first shots in January so I thought I was home free.

Sometimes I wish I had like, NPR-listening parents

[myfeetarekillingme]

Trying to convince my 60 year old diabetic cancer doctor mother to get the booster next month is going to be a battle. She is convinced the mRNA vaccine makes infections worse. Got her first shots in January so I thought I was home free.

Sometimes I wish I had like, NPR-listening parents

You and me both. At least your mom took the vaccine initially. My whole ass family is unvaccinated and it stresses me out to no end. My dad had covid last winter and is convinced he’s invincible now even though he’s a diabetic 56 year old, and he lives with my grandmother who is currently undergoing chemo. It’s morbid to say but I’m basically mentally preparing for the absolute worst case scenario here.

[Jewel Runner]

Took my Janssen shot on friday! Saturday I was a complete mess... I spent the majority of my day sleeping just so I wouldn't feel like shit. I had a strong headache and my whole body hurted. Sunday was better but still feeling some pains.

It is monday now and I feel fine and although it wasn't on my plans to get vaccinated this early I'm still feeling good to get that done.

[iKobrakai]

Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.

I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.

[Fhk]

Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.

I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.

I have a suggestion..when you get your boosters have someone drive you.

[iKobrakai]

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Got second pfizer Saturday. Hurt way less and less side effects. Almost fell asleep at the wheel yesterday, otherwise fine.

I have a suggestion: those to refuse a shot can be sent to Afghanistan so they can live free from government oppression.

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I have a suggestion..when you get your boosters have someone drive you.

Sort of came half way into the drive, waifu was in the passenger seat, talking to me, so it was not as bad as I described it.