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Apparently the pivots are heavily pre-lubed…goops started squishing out within a few minutes
Coming off Indy Forged mids, the height is fine, stock tightness and I can turn/carve super tight (without wheebite, unless I really force the turn) much quicker than on the mindy (and deeper). Compared to the royals I was one for a minute, no contest, the ACE turn is still king, even on lows...I'd forgotten how fast you can adjust ACE at speed and not lose confidence in stability...
Grind-wise they're hard, like the AF1s I tried at launch (but I'm only an hour deep on them). Not any harder 'feeling' than Indy but they are stickier.
Edit: Pop-feel was indistinguishable to me coming off the Mindys (also setup on a 14.3x wheelbase); I suck at manuals but the tipping point (to get in, meaning rolling and leaning into the manual not ollie'ing into it) felt normal, not heavy and not light much like the indies, no surprise there (I was recently riding a creature 14.22wb with steep ass kicks and thunders and it was a heavy lift and crazy tippy).
That fact a low truck can turn so well and not wheelbite compared to a taller truck (cast thunder) is crazy...I won't lie tho, heavy ML vibes
I saw in the setup thread you have 52mm wheels on. What's the biggest you think you can go before death by wheelbite? I would have assumed 52 was the max due to the height but now I'm curious how big before they max out.
I've a few bite marks from shit landings but that's going to happen no matter what. The 52s are pushing it (STF V2 start at 52 these days but I want that shape (probably be 6mo+ before I get down to 50mm everyone forgets how long STF last, I would have gone 51mm) but I ride loose; I'd guess 50/51 is really the sweetspot.
It's bad science but I try and match truck height to wheel height give or take a mm, i.e., 55mm trucks 54/55/56mm wheels, 52mm truck 51/52mm wheels, 53.5mm truck 53/54mm, etc., but it also depends on how loose you ride and wheel shape, the tighter you ride the bigger the wheel you can get away with. This also considering no risers. ever. fuck those things.
With any ACE, you don't need to mash the turn to get it going or get where you need to go. It takes less effort. On 52s I can do a full, and pretty tight, 360 with speed, a bit wider than a regular parking space, without wheel bite; on thunders (lites) I can't even match half the arc of turn before they bite trying to match these.
ACE (including the lo) have that hanger movement where they go 'in' before they bite, essentially allowing you a deeper turn faster. It's also why you can ride tighter or harder bushing and still turn; Mini Logo act the same way.
Once you tame the squirrlyness of ACE the small subtle adjustments you can make on the fly really pay off, especially on transition (skating classics/AF1 regs). I missed them more than I thought. This post ended up longer than I wanted it to. Hope it helps.