questions that don't deserve their own thread

[TwisT]

Anyone ever paint over a slick bottom graphic?

[Mbrimson88]

Anyone ever paint over a slick bottom graphic?

Yes, a guy I know got sick of the same graphic on his slicks so he just painted over it, regular spray paint, which held up well enough with a bit of wax on that for slides.

When the occasional bit wore through, it wasn't such a big deal and he said at least if whatever he was sliding on was that grippy, it was good to have the slick under it all too.

Sometimes it can work pretty well, if the slick shows through in places, almost like some of those graphics back in the day, where the original wore off to show a different graphic underneath.  Maybe the Terminator graphic from 1992 was the most well known one, as per this post:

[TwisT]

Appreciate it. I went ahead and did it, and it looks fine. I got a gently used Impact brand deck from someone. One of those plastic composite decks from Europe. The graphic is hideous, but there's also a slick layer on it. I can't buff off the bad graphic like a wooden board.

I am hoping the black paint does a more tasteful graphic reveal

[Mbrimson88]

Appreciate it. I went ahead and did it, and it looks fine. I got a gently used Impact brand deck from someone. One of those plastic composite decks from Europe. The graphic is hideous, but there's also a slick layer on it. I can't buff off the bad graphic like a wooden board.

I am hoping the black paint does a more tasteful graphic reveal

For sure!!!

That looks way more "normal" and easier to look at, even though looking at it is hardly a measure of how it skates, but I know all too well, if I am not feeling a board, I am not going to want to skate it.

Also curious how those boards hold up, as I think I have seen a few of them around, or at least someone was posting about them somewhere.


URL here:   https://impactskateboard.com/

[skateboarder4life]

Appreciate it. I went ahead and did it, and it looks fine. I got a gently used Impact brand deck from someone. One of those plastic composite decks from Europe. The graphic is hideous, but there's also a slick layer on it. I can't buff off the bad graphic like a wooden board.

I am hoping the black paint does a more tasteful graphic reveal

board looks great but i couldn't help but notice the mushroom effect on your shoe. Those shoes are far too narrow for your feet, likely causing bunions and other damage that if not already impacting you will significantly impact your health in a negative way in the future. please consider wider shoes.

[TwisT]

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Appreciate it. I went ahead and did it, and it looks fine. I got a gently used Impact brand deck from someone. One of those plastic composite decks from Europe. The graphic is hideous, but there's also a slick layer on it. I can't buff off the bad graphic like a wooden board.

I am hoping the black paint does a more tasteful graphic reveal

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board looks great but i couldn't help but notice the mushroom effect on your shoe. Those shoes are far too narrow for your feet, likely causing bunions and other damage that if not already impacting you will significantly impact your health in a negative way in the future. please consider wider shoes.

Good looking out. I've never had any issues with bunions in my life. I googled bunions to be sure. I've never experienced anything of that nature. Generally speaking, I try to stick with shoes that don't have these issues. This was my first pair of 480s.

I do have wide feet, particularly my right front foot is wider than my left. The problem is going a 1/2 size up is usually too long. I opt to stretch out the regular shoe. Sometimes the structure of the shoe doesn't give, and I pass them on

After breaking in, I am really enjoying skating in them. However, despite them being snug initially, its the heelslip that made them unwearable for casual use.

[Obijuan91]

Can fresh grip bring a board back to life, and how long is the life expectancy of jessup grip vs the board

[TwisT]

@Mbrimson88

after 2 sessions I’m am genuinely impressed. It felt like a regular board. I’ve ridden revdecks back in the day that had a plastic feel and were super stiff. Flight decks take a second to adjust to as well.

My only complaint would be the steepness of the kicks and the slick bottom making me more cautious of only board slides. I could still see my self running this board all summer.

[Mbrimson88]

@Mbrimson88

after 2 sessions I’m am genuinely impressed. It felt like a regular board. I’ve ridden revdecks back in the day that had a plastic feel and were super stiff. Flight decks take a second to adjust to as well.

My only complaint would be the steepness of the kicks and the slick bottom making me more cautious of only board slides. I could still see my self running this board all summer.

Nice!  And thanks - any "new tech" might have some pros and cons, but from what people have said about those boards, it seems to be positive.  I just didn't know anyone that had one that didn't seem to be directly connected to the company, so it was harder to think someone was giving an honest and viable review.

Can fresh grip bring a board back to life, and how long is the life expectancy of jessup grip vs the board

Very much so, as long as the deck is still poppy feeling, not soggy or razor tailed, although even that is easy enough to wear down to a few solid layers and keep things going, although it would be shorter tail / kicks.

As to Jessup, that is what I have been using for a long time and my boards last ages, although I do notice sometimes going back to some old boards, especially with more worn shoes, they don't feel like they have quite as much grip, when compared to a fresh board.

Using a new sheet of grip, everything can feel very solid and "almost new feeling again" even though nothing will feel like a brand new deck with brand new grip, I know a few people that for whatever reason regripped boards and gave them a new life.

[moonordie]

Anybody tried the Adidas Glenburn? Any insights?

[powerhazard]

Alright, maybe you guys can help me.
I got a pair of Dickies slim flex cargo pants on depop NWT and I'm trying to track down a pair in black now 40x30. The pair I have is blue 40x30 and I cannot find them anywhere, they only go up to 38 on every page I've found. I know it exists so if anyone can point me in the right direction.

[Jort250]

I just bought an FA board and atleast this one is made in China. In 2026, do all boards (Canadian, US, China etc) more-or-less wear down at the same rate?

[moykky]

I just bought an FA board and atleast this one is made in China. In 2026, do all boards (Canadian, US, China etc) more-or-less wear down at the same rate?

Is it mellower than mexico pressed? And lower price point?

[Mbrimson88]

I just bought an FA board and atleast this one is made in China. In 2026, do all boards (Canadian, US, China etc) more-or-less wear down at the same rate?

Last I heard, DSM (where Dwindle boards came from) was the manufacturer, which is in China, so that would be correct and yes more or less the same wear.  Some wood can be stronger and some softer, but really skateboard kicks can wear about the same, just depends on the concaves and shapes and feel of them, to the individual tastes of each person, more than anything, that will make the most difference there.

Is it mellower than mexico pressed? And lower price point?

I am curious too but the concaves are different to BBS boards - DSM had a few options, steep kick, mellow kick, steep concave, etc so it could be a mix and match between some and not others for how it feels.  I haven't seen any myself, but other people had posted pics of the DSM made FA boards and they were much the same, just the different molds.

China wood is cheaper, but some places will still sell it at the same prices as other pro boards, so also curious if you paid the same, more or less than usual for it.

[downtodevin]

Was watching some of the old Eastern Exposure videos after watching the new This Old Ledge about Philly. My question is what wheels did those dudes skate back then to be able to push around all of that Philly and NYC crust? I know now we have crazy tech in wheels but I remember when I was a kid in the 90s/00s I honestly don’t even remember what I was buying.

[Slave IV]

I thought one distinction between BBS and DSM decks from before was that BBS usually has concave slightly in the kicks where DSM decks were flat. Is that no longer or never the case?

[Mbrimson88]

I thought one distinction between BBS and DSM decks from before was that BBS usually has concave slightly in the kicks where DSM decks were flat. Is that no longer or never the case?

Yes that is still the main difference, as BBS has a very specific spoon shaped concave in the kicks, while quite a few other woodshops have no concave at all in the kicks, just flat faces after the bend in the wood from the bolts area through to the tips / ends of the board.

BBS and DSM do offer a number of different concaves, so both woodshops can have more mellow boards or steeper options, depending on what presses are used, or what the brands ask for in the way of concaves.

I guess things often get confusing when a brand starts using multiple woodshops and then people might question what their board is, especially if there are no markers, tells or other information on the board as to where it was made or what woodshop it came from.

[Llewellyn Moss]

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I thought one distinction between BBS and DSM decks from before was that BBS usually has concave slightly in the kicks where DSM decks were flat. Is that no longer or never the case?

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Yes that is still the main difference, as BBS has a very specific spoon shaped concave in the kicks, while quite a few other woodshops have no concave at all in the kicks, just flat faces after the bend in the wood from the bolts area through to the tips / ends of the board.

BBS and DSM do offer a number of different concaves, so both woodshops can have more mellow boards or steeper options, depending on what presses are used, or what the brands ask for in the way of concaves.

I guess things often get confusing when a brand starts using multiple woodshops and then people might question what their board is, especially if there are no markers, tells or other information on the board as to where it was made or what woodshop it came from.

How does concave affect performance when it extends into the kicks, versus a deck with concave that runs the length of its rails only?

[swongolianbbq]

I would think nose and tail slides are prolly easier if the kicks are spooned a lil bit

[Mbrimson88]

How does concave affect performance when it extends into the kicks, versus a deck with concave that runs the length of its rails only?

I would think nose and tail slides are prolly easier if the kicks are spooned a lil bit

I guess the easiest way is to show pics from the Scrape Report thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115652.510


The most common BBS decks or any boards with spoon shaped concave in the kicks will have more scrapes through the middle of the kicks, more so than the whole kick, or at least more so in the area where ever the person leans, which can often be heavy on the heel side, or wear in a couple of areas, eg in a line across the board closer to the truck, or a bit more up from that, but then a lot less than some other boards where the whole kick sits on the ledge or similar obstacle.

This post in particular, just from the last page:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115652.msg4424213#msg4424213

Then flatter faces will often wear a lot more over the whole kick and sometimes even be a lot harder to get going, or take more wax to make them slide on various things, but people get used to whatever concaves their boards have so it might not seem like such a big deal to some people.

Also it is not at all like the middle of the boards, but a way more subtle concave, which I can just see when looking across the nose or tail, but can definitely feel if I am standing on or skating a board without it.


I think Control and a couple of other woodshops have had similar concaves from time to time, but that is more specific to the molds of various woodshops than to any general board feel from the woodshop in question.

[Jort250]

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I just bought an FA board and atleast this one is made in China. In 2026, do all boards (Canadian, US, China etc) more-or-less wear down at the same rate?

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Last I heard, DSM (where Dwindle boards came from) was the manufacturer, which is in China, so that would be correct and yes more or less the same wear.  Some wood can be stronger and some softer, but really skateboard kicks can wear about the same, just depends on the concaves and shapes and feel of them, to the individual tastes of each person, more than anything, that will make the most difference there.

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Is it mellower than mexico pressed? And lower price point?

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I am curious too but the concaves are different to BBS boards - DSM had a few options, steep kick, mellow kick, steep concave, etc so it could be a mix and match between some and not others for how it feels.  I haven't seen any myself, but other people had posted pics of the DSM made FA boards and they were much the same, just the different molds.

China wood is cheaper, but some places will still sell it at the same prices as other pro boards, so also curious if you paid the same, more or less than usual for it.

For what it’s worth, it’s a Gino Pro board and the shape to my eye looked about the same as their usual so I figured screw it, buy first and ask questions later. I don’t break board and I’ll be happy it’ll last about the same time as I used to. If any issues… you’ll hear from me in the woodshop thread

[propaganda]

anybody know what causes this??? swear im getting new wheels soon

[swongolianbbq]

Just an air bubble from manufacturing as far as I know

Been on pretty much every wheel I've ever had

[Plan9Customs]

Anyone care to compare how AF1s grind compared to Indy’s? Harder? Softer? Comparable?

[Mbrimson88]

Anyone care to compare how AF1s grind compared to Indy’s? Harder? Softer? Comparable?

I feel like almost every other truck, when compared to Indy, is a little more delicate on the grind, so yeah they can still grind well, but more often things can go a little more any which way, if conditions are not quite right.

A regular Indy seems like it can almost steam roll through most things, without catching up too much, the way some other trucks do.

Also I think people have said the metal seems to be a bit softer for their Ace trucks, but that is also what some people really like about them too.  In general there is not as much "meat on the hanger" for Ace, or for Thunder, Venture, etc compared to Indy, but that doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

From having all of them on the go, as well as seeing others with them, all of them can get going much the same, once you get used to them, but there is often going to be subtle differences in the feeling of a lot of them.  I don't think Ace last quite as long either, but again, that can be down to what a person skates, or how crusty whatever is they are grinding on.

[Plan9Customs]

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Anyone care to compare how AF1s grind compared to Indy’s? Harder? Softer? Comparable?

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I feel like almost every other truck, when compared to Indy, is a little more delicate on the grind, so yeah they can still grind well, but more often things can go a little more any which way, if conditions are not quite right.

A regular Indy seems like it can almost steam roll through most things, without catching up too much, the way some other trucks do.

Also I think people have said the metal seems to be a bit softer for their Ace trucks, but that is also what some people really like about them too.  In general there is not as much "meat on the hanger" for Ace, or for Thunder, Venture, etc compared to Indy, but that doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

From having all of them on the go, as well as seeing others with them, all of them can get going much the same, once you get used to them, but there is often going to be subtle differences in the feeling of a lot of them.  I don't think Ace last quite as long either, but again, that can be down to what a person skates, or how crusty whatever is they are grinding on.

Thanks for the reply. I’m normally on f/h Indy’s so weight on the Aces is more(iirc), heights only .5mm lower and I’m generally on curbs, steel coping, or concrete noping for the most part. Just kind of wondering what the grind feel is more about since I know a few people were saying it was like grinding peanut butter, although the people saying that were on classics since it was a few years before AF1s came out. No matter what it is, I can get used to it, just trying to get mentally prepared(somewhat) before the switch.

[DarkPools]

Kinda wild that Ace AF-1 has been out for 6 YEARS already!

Anyone notice any big difference from initial truck batches to anything of late?

[moonordie]

Summoning @Mbrimson88 for his endless bushing knowledge.
Does the AF1 ones fit on Indy?

[tuesday]

I'm not Mbrinsom, but I just went down that rabbit hole a couple days ago.
Height of AF1 bottom bushings is 12mm edit: 14mm
Height if Indys bottom bushings is 13 comma something mm edit: 13mm.

edit: mixed measurements up and didn't use a caliper. Thanks to @Mbrimson88 for being a more reliable source! Regarding your below question: after I saw that they are not the same height, I didn't try to swapping bushings.

[Mbrimson88]

Summoning @Mbrimson88 for his endless bushing knowledge.
Does the AF1 ones fit on Indy?

I'm not Mbrinsom, but I just went down that rabbit hole a couple days ago.
Height of AF1 bottom bushings is 12mm.
Height if Indys bottom bushings is 13 comma something mm.

@tuesday  Did they work well for you?


Bushing chart here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112631.msg4469351#msg4469351


Ace including AF1
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm


Indy stock
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm


They can and do "mix and match" even though they are different heights, so they have different properties, but you can use them easily enough.

Normal Ace bushings are fairly soft, so they do compress well into a normal Indy setup, but it just depends on how you like to have things there.  That is actually what I had in the latest board I set up (white bushings in the Indy trucks) which are working really well so far.  I did them up with almost one thread showing or maybe it is more just the top of the kingpin, not so much a thread, but the rebound on them is nice.

My setup post here:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.msg4509289#msg4509289


More pics here too:

https://www.instagram.com/mbrimson88/p/DZB4KP1EwKA/