CURRENT WOODSHOP DIRECTORY 2025 + misc deck and board info, help, questions, etc

[FatGuy92]

Girl using DSM/Chopshop?

I was doing some unrelated detective work, and came across the crailtap page, and it looks like they're getting a deck shipment from chop as recently as may. https://importkey.com/i/crailtap-llc

Lol how tf did you find this? Gnarred for the detective work. So if everything is true, Crail is gonna use BBS and DSM?

[TwisT]

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Girl using DSM/Chopshop?

I was doing some unrelated detective work, and came across the crailtap page, and it looks like they're getting a deck shipment from chop as recently as may. https://importkey.com/i/crailtap-llc

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Lol how tf did you find this? Gnarred for the detective work. So if everything is true, Crail is gonna use BBS and DSM?

yeah, the import stuff is public, I look at it whenever a brand switches to china. It's usually just Chop or excel but there's some random ones.

The big take away is that a lot of these brands use multiple manufactuers for various reasons. Especially when it comes to chinese manufactuering. For all we know Crailtap could be getting pop secret decks from Chop, but the rest still from excel

also does anyone have any info on HK Evergreen? They do boards for DGK, welcome and DLX. It could be their complete factory though

https://importkey.com/i/s-f-deluxe-productions-inc

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I was wondering if some of those were more for completes, but as I didn't have any idea where some brands get their product, I hadn't commented earlier.

DSM definitely does a lot of completes too, so it is even harder sometimes, especially if the info has decks, completes or a list of what could be anything.


Good call on the Pop Secret decks though.  I always forget about the different products some brands bring out, so that makes sense too - regular wood options from one, special composite material decks from another.


Also wondering if DSM has reached out to any number of bigger board brands with really good incentives or specials just to keep their woodshop running at capacity with the boards being used, not just being stockpiled or anything like that.

So many things I don't know with this stuff though.

[Woodshop]

also does anyone have any info on HK Evergreen? They do boards for DGK, welcome and DLX. It could be their complete factory though

https://importkey.com/i/s-f-deluxe-productions-inc

I am sure I had some boxes from them at one point, but not about to go looking now.

There is more interesting info even just searching the name.


https://www.importinfo.com/hk-evergreen-tree-trade-limited

https://panjiva.com/HK-Evergreen-Tree-Trade-Ltd/67009479


They might just be the same search records, but a few have more info and details than the other.


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[Ghost Face]

This is fascinating info.

[Woodshop]

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I think sometimes though it can be hard to know if they are actually supplying pro decks, or other products, as most of the woodshops over there do everything now, not just make decks, so given the number of brands that make budget completes, it can sometimes be a bit tricky, but overall it is good to see that there are still a smaller number of major players in the woodshop industry than people might think, along with countless others who are making boards for whatever market.

DSM, Excel, Jeeping, Evergreen, Dalian and how ever many others...


Compared to the US or even "rest of the world" for woodshops, China is a harder one to get any info on or figure out who does what and I still don't know half of it, to be able to check, compare or even distinguish products from one woodshop to another in that regard, compared to almost every other woodshop I have seen boards from.

[moonordie]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHEkFwJsPBd/?igsh=MW5iZm0yZWRnMXd0cw==

These Delta boards started to appear in here (Czech Republic). Only thing I know is that Salabanzi skates for them but that's not saying much nowadays.

[mrosk8]

Delta is from the same guy that does Nomad back in the day in Barcelona,
They are done in china to these woodshop called BDS or something like that,
from my opinion another shitty brand with no sense, and the decks are horrible for shape and quality

[moonordie]

Delta is from the same guy that does Nomad back in the day in Barcelona,
They are done in china to these woodshop called BDS or something like that,
from my opinion another shitty brand with no sense, and the decks are horrible for shape and quality

A friend got one since it was the only 7.75 board he could get on a Saturday afternoon nearby.
Indeed quality seems like shit.

[rocklobster]

Delta is from the same guy that does Nomad back in the day in Barcelona,
They are done in china to these woodshop called BDS or something like that,
from my opinion another shitty brand with no sense, and the decks are horrible for shape and quality

In the early pandemic days BDS (or BD Skate Co) popped off doing D-tier decks, trucks and wheels all made out of China. For deck brands they had BD Skate Co, Nomad and Droshky - some how they were able to do graphics worse than Jart. Only did sizes in 7.75 - 8.0, only a handful of 8.125 / 8.25, and Asia was flooded with their products for a few years. Good if you're getting started on a budget but piss poor products otherwise.

[Ghost Face]

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I think sometimes though it can be hard to know if they are actually supplying pro decks, or other products, as most of the woodshops over there do everything now, not just make decks, so given the number of brands that make budget completes, it can sometimes be a bit tricky, but overall it is good to see that there are still a smaller number of major players in the woodshop industry than people might think, along with countless others who are making boards for whatever market.

DSM, Excel, Jeeping, Evergreen, Dalian and how ever many others...


Compared to the US or even "rest of the world" for woodshops, China is a harder one to get any info on or figure out who does what and I still don't know half of it, to be able to check, compare or even distinguish products from one woodshop to another in that regard, compared to almost every other woodshop I have seen boards from.

I think some, if not most, of those companies in those charts are just "sourcers" and don't make the products themselves. Seems they get wheels from 1 place, trucks another, wheels a 3rd etc and then resupply to like 4 other companies and so on and so on. I could be wrong though.

[Mbrimson88]

I think some, if not most, of those companies in those charts are just "sourcers" and don't make the products themselves. Seems they get wheels from 1 place, trucks another, wheels a 3rd etc and then resupply to like 4 other companies and so on and so on. I could be wrong though.

I will have to look for the DSM tour, as they had the woodshop, then the urethane room, then another place in the same building where they poured trucks, or something similar.

Could be totally wrong though, but I think it was one of those ones, with Rodney Mullen doing the intro for it or something - an extended version and not the basic one that comes up first for youtube and similar searches.

That said, there are definitely places that do specific things, eg wheels have to be poured under very tight conditions, even over there where most of the regulations don't seem to apply.  Similar for trucks too, so they might all be made in various places then assembled in said main place.

Really don't have enough to go on, without the whole factory tour videos, cause even then they don't like to show and tell too much.

I had looked up most manufacturing videos for all the different parts at one point and had a pretty good list, but most of those links are down or the videos were removed.

Some key words bring up a little too much of everything else, but even just the basic "How skateboard parts are made" has a few interesting things.

Found a few when I went looking but nothing that really stands out to link, but this one has a bit of everything.

[rawbertson.]

I had a board from Afternoon a few years ago and thought it seemed good enough. I am actually looking to get more now lol. Seems like not many people are riding them, I think I will give them another shot, especailly since the price is right.

[hiljentaa]

Do HLC boards have spooned/concaved nose/tail or are they flat like DSM?

[Crabby_Bastard]

The USA made HLC boards I've skated had a slightly spooned nose and tail. Not as much as a DLX board.

[mrosk8]

HLC have different shape/concave
from spooner to full nose/tail

[rikki]

https://mfg.hlcdist.com/shapes/

All the info in one place.

[BALARGUE]

https://mfg.hlcdist.com/shapes/

All the info in one place.

yes but it says nothing about the spoon / concave of the tail and nose and it's really hard to see it on the 3D view / model. And it's hard to measure. I feel like it's something you can only see / feel in person.

@hiljentaa  I only know the ones pressed in Spain (US molds might be different, I don't know) but
for the high concave square shape it's more spooned than any DLX I have at the shop

@mrosk8 I don't think you're talking about the same thing

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In talking about "spoon shaped concave" as Balargue said, I am usually thinking of the side to side concave that is molded in to the kicks, as well as the rise from the bolts up to the tip, more so than overall shape, eg spoon shaped kicks looking down from above, as in pointy looking ends of a board.

I also had a look at the HLC shapes and they sure do have a lot going on there, which is good to see, but I also wonder how many people get a little lost looking at that.  What constitutes mellow (low concave), medium and steep (high concave) to different brands?


For a while, I have been trying to work out a fairly even guide to concave of boards, as some people say my boards are extremely flat, with a more regular board feeling very steep to me, then a steep mold feeling ridiculous, so it is all down to personal opinion as to concave and things.

Using an angle finder and measuring side to side, as well as angle of kicks seemed to be the easiest way, but even then, what I measure might not be relatable to others, eg side to side concave under 10 degrees is comfortable, end kicks around 20 works well for me.  Some boards are upwards of 24 to 25 in the kicks and 12 to 13 side to side.  On the flip side, kicks down around 16 or so feel extremely flat, as does concave under 7 degrees side to side, but these are all just numbers until someone can stand on a board to feel it and then translate it to what they are used to.


At some point I was even going to make up some sort of numbers guide, but then sort of gave up on it, mainly because there can be such differences in anything that is not single pressed.

I do see from the "About" page, that HLC presses all boards individually, so that is also a plus, ensuring everything is more uniform.

[TwisT]

Cordano hemp decks are being called “macho tech”

But the more wild thing is the printed wood grain dupe, which should like sick when skated

[FatGuy92]

Cordano hemp decks are being called “macho tech”

But the more wild thing is the printed wood grain dupe, which should like sick when skated

Terrible name. I don’t think I’ve seen hemp used before.. I wonder how it compares to Flight/VX/DBX. Also didn’t Schmitt retire?

[Woodshop]

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Cordano hemp decks are being called “macho tech”

But the more wild thing is the printed wood grain dupe, which should like sick when skated

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Terrible name. I don’t think I’ve seen hemp used before.. I wonder how it compares to Flight/VX/DBX. Also didn’t Schmitt retire?

I had to go check, but sure enough, he specifically said something about selling the woodshop, or at least everything in it, but not so much retiring, but who really knows all the details?

* I need to add OK Manufacturing to the list too.


As to that board, I was also curious, but on reading the post, wearing through the black printed stain to show the teal is actually pretty cool, more than anything else, but I guess there are always going to be more innovations every other day in the skateboard industry, maybe most that never really make the light of day.

Kind of funny reading all the comments from people who had not actually read the post and thought he was just printing stained veneers, not actually doing what he is doing.  Fooled a lot of people by the looks of it, myself included until I actually read the info that comes with the post.



** This was his previous post with the hemp top layer, with some good pics of it too.

[FatGuy92]

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Cordano hemp decks are being called “macho tech”

But the more wild thing is the printed wood grain dupe, which should like sick when skated

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Terrible name. I don’t think I’ve seen hemp used before.. I wonder how it compares to Flight/VX/DBX. Also didn’t Schmitt retire?

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I had to go check, but sure enough, he specifically said something about selling the woodshop, or at least everything in it, but not so much retiring, but who really knows all the details?

* I need to add OK Manufacturing to the list too.


As to that board, I was also curious, but on reading the post, wearing through the black printed stain to show the teal is actually pretty cool, more than anything else, but I guess there are always going to be more innovations every other day in the skateboard industry, maybe most that never really make the light of day.

Kind of funny reading all the comments from people who had not actually read the post and thought he was just printing stained veneers, not actually doing what he is doing.  Fooled a lot of people by the looks of it, myself included until I actually read the info that comes with the post.



** This was his previous post with the hemp top layer, with some good pics of it too.

True I guess Schmitt didn’t say anything about retirement. Maybe he’s tired of the business side of things and is a “consultant” for OK Manufacturing (another terrible name)

I’m interested to see how the hemp top performs. I wasn’t into composite decks before, but considering how expensive decks are now, it might be worth spending $20-$30 more if they last twice as long

[Roisto]

I’m currently skating a Magenta 8.625” with a 14.625” wheelbase and I really really like it. It seems that they’ve changed their 8.625” now to a new shape with a 14.75” wheelbase. Does anyone know if the old Magenta 8.625” was a standard BBS/Generator shape that order brands use as well? If so, which brands would have the same shape available? It seems quite challenging to find 8.625” decks currently in Europe, especially with a 14.625” wheelbase.

[FatGuy92]

I’m currently skating a Magenta 8.625” with a 14.625” wheelbase and I really really like it. It seems that they’ve changed their 8.625” now to a new shape with a 14.75” wheelbase. Does anyone know if the old Magenta 8.625” was a standard BBS/Generator shape that order brands use as well? If so, which brands would have the same shape available? It seems quite challenging to find 8.625” decks currently in Europe, especially with a 14.625” wheelbase.

I checked skatesamples and the 8.625 has a 14.625 WB, so that’s probably the standard Generator shape. Idk if other brands use that one though.. Closest thing that comes to mind is Cardiel’s AH shape. 8.6x32.31 with 14.6 WB

[Roisto]

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I’m currently skating a Magenta 8.625” with a 14.625” wheelbase and I really really like it. It seems that they’ve changed their 8.625” now to a new shape with a 14.75” wheelbase. Does anyone know if the old Magenta 8.625” was a standard BBS/Generator shape that order brands use as well? If so, which brands would have the same shape available? It seems quite challenging to find 8.625” decks currently in Europe, especially with a 14.625” wheelbase.

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I checked skatesamples and the 8.625 has a 14.625 WB, so that’s probably the standard Generator shape. Idk if other brands use that one though.. Closest thing that comes to mind is Cardiel’s AH shape. 8.6x32.31 with 14.6 WB

Thanks for the info, very interesting. If I could be sure it’s the Generator standard shape, I could just order a bunch of blanks from Skatesamples I guess. I’d rather buy from a skate shop and some brands I feel are worth supporting but it’s slim pickings over here currently.

Anyone know if Skatesamples include the VAT in their delivery price to Europe? They say that taxes are calculated in the cart but there’s no separate mention if they are included in the price or not.

[Woodshop]

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Re skatesamples.com info:

Can anybody tell me if it's fine to order from this website if I live in Europe? My concerns are custom fees (if there are any) and long shipping time. Thanks yo!

The blanks thread and yes, info as per link and below:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113993.msg4222063#msg4222063

Bougth 2 gfbs last year. Shipping was 74,90 to germany Ending up at 122,85 in total. I purposely stayed below 150 becaus of customs. Can't get the shape anywhere else and at ~60 per deck it is still cheaper than most standard popsicles in germany.
I guess for me this made sense with this shape for a standard popsicle idk. Might order 5 or 10 pack in the next days since i love that shape and i fear it getting discontinued...

At one point they limited who could buy from the site, but it seems they might have lifted that now.

Any which way, I don't think they would have included or listed any other tax, or maybe even recall them saying something about tax is your responsibility.  Shipping cost more than the boards for anyone outside of USA, but it might still be worth it, to get the shape you like.

[TwisT]

Probably due to a typo on their end, but the 8.8 popsicle is listed at $20, as opposed to $30, like the rest of them.

[Woodshop]

Probably due to a typo on their end, but the 8.8 popsicle is listed at $20, as opposed to $30, like the rest of them.

Could be sitting on old stock and need to clear out that size only.  It is funny how some sizes just don't move, that one in particular seems to be right in the middle of what others might get, eg people ride 8.75 boards and people ride 9.0 but I don't know many that will ride an 8.875 shape.  I have a couple of them and have had no interest in them at all in the whole time I have had them.

[Jchao93]

Yall know which woodshop “Slinky2020” uses?