Gear madness support thread

[JugeL]

I was on 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels for some time. Honestly everything got so much easier with the 52-54mm wheels. Large wheels are cool to just roll around but when it comes to actual performance smaller wheels are so much better.

[DarkPools]

because they make up the majority of the market?  ie. PS boards are not easy to find always....

I always had an easy time finding PS Prior to covid. 2017-2019 I skated a lot of PS Stix I'm pretty sure. Seems like they're harder to find now as Paul and maybe the brands are doing smaller runs on PS molds or brands have been testing other woodshops to save money and supply chain issues.

I haven't skated one in ages, but I always enjoyed their shapes, even if the stability/durability was hit or miss.

Now I just keep BBS on repeat: Black Label, Hockey, DLX

[AlumarX]

Pizza is probably the easiest way to get PS Stix in the US. They got some good deals on wood, I got 2 decks for $35 each after discounts and shipping. And the mystery box is even better.

[Mbrimson88]

Has anyone gone from 1/4” risers and 58mm wheels to no risers and like 52/54mm wheels? Interesting to know what your experience was like.

I was on 1/8 risers and 60mm wheels for some time. Honestly everything got so much easier with the 52-54mm wheels. Large wheels are cool to just roll around but when it comes to actual performance smaller wheels are so much better.

Yeah for sure.

Big wheels and risers to combat wheelbite, or give extra height to allow for more turn, but the tail is further off the ground, which might be fine for transition or not so tech skating, but it can make some things harder.

Smaller wheels and no risers the tail is way closer to the ground and way easier to get tech or do some things that you might not do on bigger wheels with risers, but it can also be a bit weird to get used to.  Once there, everything was easier for me, but adapting to either or both can have benefits too.

[fakiefs180]

Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..

Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..

 I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?

Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..

Hey mate, we haven't heard back from you.
I hope you feel better today.

[Yakusoku2]

When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?

[hiljentaa]

When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?

You can't skate 53/54 on lows. I wheelbite often on 50s.

Personally, I'd suggest the 5.2 V-Light highs, because I think 5.2 casts are a lil too tall proportionally.

[FrenchSkater]

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Help me skater friends .. I'm back in the infernal madness but this time with a little more personal psychology.. Indeed, I bought a pair of independent hollows 139 on an 8, and I loved the first 2 sessions .. until a bad session .. And there I
say that I should never have bought this, that it would be better with such or such brand of trucks .. honestly I tried almost everything .. I am small, and I even also tried a wheelbase 14 with my venture raw high that I skated now for a year and 3 months until the change with the independents.. and with these recent bad sessions, I tell myself that I should have taken low trucks, that it would surely be better.. . I fell into a vicious circle and a negative mentality.. I've been skating for 16 years, I'm 31, and sometimes.. my sessions are fabulous, or I think skateboarding is fun and that's it.. and sometimes back to reality, or I don't master basic tricks, like the Kickflip which I've had a problem with for 10 years now.. I sometimes feel useless, this is also the lack of confidence.. I find also that I have an awful style .. In short, to admit to you .. I have the BIG fault of me unfortunately compare to others..

Why are you talking about this with the truck madness too? Because I would like to get back the fun I had before when I didn't think about those fucking parameters (high/low trucks, length, wheelbase..), but.. I think the craziness will be everywhere for me from now on. (I also reassure myself by telling myself that Reynolds or Degros also have it ahaha). Sorry for these personal confidences, but I love skateboarding so much, and feeling useless in your passion is horrible .. Yet I have a relatively good directory of tricks in flatground, I put almost all the rotations, but a little badly on some flip tricks..

 I want to say that it's not a death either and that the importance is to ride and have fun without asking questions.. I know that my lack of confidence has surely blocked my progress.. In my early years skating, I was made fun of a lot about my style, I think I started off with a negative mentality and that must have played a part.. I have one last question for you, despite the madness, honestly, does the setup have an influence on our progress and on the tricks ?

Thank you in advance for your answers skater friends.. I didn't dare to talk about it, but I think that opening up to the world and discussing your resentment for your passion for skateboarding does not hurt..

[close]

Hey mate, we haven't heard back from you.
I hope you feel better today.

I was just going to answer you because your messages have been very beneficial to me and have allowed me to reflect on all this.. I took a three-day break from skating, took a short break on instagram, and I I walked a lot in the forest to recharge myself mentally.

I was lucky to have my best skate friend come to my house this weekend, because we don't live in the same place anymore, knowing that I moved, and I was able to talk about it with him. He is one of the people who can ride any parameter, any size even if it's too small or too big.. And he told me one thing, which he kept repeating to me, but this time, in a detailed conversation and by genuinely expressing how I feel, he told me that I'm just asking myself too many questions and that I just have to skate, and maybe I've pay attention on the trucks, length, wheelbase, surely blocked my progress .. to tell myself that "Ah yes finally, maybe I should skate shorter in length because I have small legs, but also maybe I would have less balance, ah but maybe I also need such or such trucks so that it goes better etc etc .." INFERNAL SPIRAL ..

I then took the time to think when I was alone, and it is true that I had an illumination that made me say one thing: Before madness, I skated what I had without taking all this into account, and .. it worked and I skated well !

That's why I bought my next board, without looking at the size of the length and wheelbase, and hell, I just want to love having a board that I like at my width board size, that's all !

As for my self-confidence, which is sometimes negative, he also told me that I have to give a damn about it, no matter the position of my legs, no matter how I do my tricks, the important is to just skate and land your tricks well.. I would never be a pro, I don't see why putting so much pressure on myself in fact.. I know that I have a chance to skate again, and that I I never stopped, and, which makes me happy, many told me that I had a very good spirit and that I often motivated .. (Especially the kids).

Anyway, all that to say that it's a long way to get out of this fucking madness, but I'm wasting too much time on this..

Thank you for the advice that made me smile and relativized ..    I think back to a quote from Collin Provost about the term Stay Gold in an interview "Stay gold is remembering why you started skating, just being on your board and not giving a fuck, before the industry comes into the equation, that's it Stay gold" I'll just think of skating like first years..
I do not hope to fall back into this hell ..

But, do you agree with me that in the end, all these parameters may be blocking us in our progress and mentality ?

"Skate for fun"

[Yakusoku2]

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When fall starts, I plan to start skating on 8" and 7.75" decks (I have two unused Hotel Blue decks at home). Up until now, I've been skating on 9" and 8.5" decks, so I need new trucks and I'm going crazy searching for some. I've thought that the Venture 5.25" trucks would be good, but I can't decide between the high and low versions. I'm looking for quick pop and responsive board feel, but I also want a good turn and to use 53mm or 54mm wheels. Would the high ones be the better choice? In the store, I have availability of the V-Lights, the High Pro Lucien Clarke, or the Throw Team Edition trucks. Is there too much difference between them?

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You can't skate 53/54 on lows. I wheelbite often on 50s.

Personally, I'd suggest the 5.2 V-Light highs, because I think 5.2 casts are a lil too tall proportionally.

Thank you! 5.2 v-lights will be!

[rocklobster]

Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.

[OhioGuy]

Just ordered a Girl board. I don’t have madness per se, but I’m always worried I’ll find a shape I love and it’ll be discounted/hard to track down. Crailtap having a shape guide should be the standard for every brand. Plus my first board was a Chocolate and I really loved that thing (still have it since I started skating last year).

[fakiefs180]

Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.

That was very motivational. Thanks for that reminder.

[FrenchSkater]

Just ordered a Girl board. I don’t have madness per se, but I’m always worried I’ll find a shape I love and it’ll be discounted/hard to track down. Crailtap having a shape guide should be the standard for every brand. Plus my first board was a Chocolate and I really loved that thing (still have it since I started skating last year).

Your answer touches me a lot and there are beautiful quotes. All this is true. THANKS ! Skateboarding brings us so much happiness.. Much more happiness than unhappiness !

[Bongwater Mojito]

Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.

I completely agree on this! I've been thinking lately that one factor might be that well, I used to have hours and hours daily for skateboarding younger, as today I only have few hours a week, if even that. What starts as rational thinking to get your setup to work as well as possible for getitng most out of those moments ends up to substitute of skateboarding, overanalysing the measurements and what not.

As I've said before, every second on the board is a gift at this point. I should remember it also when not landing so many tricks as I used to.

I also think that there's lot of wisdom in the "the older he gets the better he was"...

[OhioGuy]

I’ve shifted focus to little goals. Like getting better at pushing and riding switch, improving my balance with yoga, etc. It’s best to have a chill approach to skating if you’re not trying to go pro.

There’s a lot of negative self-talk in the community. I hate when folks are like, “Oh I suck.” No you don’t. The average person can’t even ride a skateboard. If you can do that without falling off every five seconds you don’t suck.

I think the issue is we’re exposed to amazing, super human skateboarding on the daily. So we rank ourselves next to pros. You don’t see this happening in other hobbies. Like guys who hoop don’t go around saying, “I suck, did you see what Lebron did last night?”

The madness comes from us wanting to be as good as possible. But it’s really a mental health issue. I know I suffer from OCD, anxiety, and depression. So it’s easy for me to focus on the wrong things.

[moonordie]

Pushing switch and not looking dumb while at it is a huge accomplishment

[rocklobster]

I’ve shifted focus to little goals. Like getting better at pushing and riding switch, improving my balance with yoga, etc. It’s best to have a chill approach to skating if you’re not trying to go pro.

There’s a lot of negative self-talk in the community. I hate when folks are like, “Oh I suck.” No you don’t. The average person can’t even ride a skateboard. If you can do that without falling off every five seconds you don’t suck.

I think the issue is we’re exposed to amazing, super human skateboarding on the daily. So we rank ourselves next to pros. You don’t see this happening in other hobbies. Like guys who hoop don’t go around saying, “I suck, did you see what Lebron did last night?”

The madness comes from us wanting to be as good as possible. But it’s really a mental health issue. I know I suffer from OCD, anxiety, and depression. So it’s easy for me to focus on the wrong things.

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Glad you came out the other end @FrenchSkater, madness is fun for a bit but often hurts much more than it helps. I'm guilty of going to bed thinking of length and WB and wheelsize, reminiscing on how I used to have whatever tricks on lock with whatever setup. We will all have good days and bad, thankfully as non-pros our livelihood doesn't depend on always having good days. I've got a good job, health, a great family and that's more than anyone can ask for. Being able to enjoy skateboarding is a blessing and I remind myself a shit day on the board beats a day in the office.

[close]

I completely agree on this! I've been thinking lately that one factor might be that well, I used to have hours and hours daily for skateboarding younger, as today I only have few hours a week, if even that. What starts as rational thinking to get your setup to work as well as possible for getitng most out of those moments ends up to substitute of skateboarding, overanalysing the measurements and what not.

As I've said before, every second on the board is a gift at this point. I should remember it also when not landing so many tricks as I used to.

I also think that there's lot of wisdom in the "the older he gets the better he was"...

So what you're both saying is to gaslight myself into thinking I've always been shit and when I have a half-decent day I should be ecstatic, got it.

[Bongwater Mojito]

So what you're both saying is to gaslight myself into thinking I've always been shit and when I have a half-decent day I should be ecstatic, got it.

That's one way to interpret it, sure. But I'm 46, and can't do on board what I did 25 or even 15 years ago. I also have much less time to skate. Took me a while to accept these facts. After that it's been more fun and less bitter memories of past achievements. It's been even more fun since I stopped changing my complete for every session. Your mileage may vary, of course.

[Yakusoku2]

Thanks for the perspective. I’ve been hating myself lately for not landing tricks I could land consistently years ago. On the top of that, the 13 year olds I skate with are landing new tricks in just one session. It’s amazing how fast they improve and how fast I get worse. Lately, at the end of my sessions when it’s too dark for trying tricks, I’m riding and pushing switch and it makes me feel better too.

[OhioGuy]

Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.

So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.

Having the time to be that good is a privilege.

[LebowskisRug]

Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.

Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.

So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.

[AlumarX]

Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.

Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.

So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.

If you got the parts try setting up a Venture baseplate (I use cast) / Thunder hanger and either stock Venture bushings or indys if you ride loose. There's some magic in it I swear. It's like 85% of the Royal turn with the Venture stability. Mess with diff bushings if it doesn't feel right, there's a bushing sweetspot for sure.

[Bongwater Mojito]

Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.

So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.

Having the time to be that good is a privilege.

Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.

On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.

[OhioGuy]

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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.

So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.

Having the time to be that good is a privilege.

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Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.

On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.

Totally. I have more money than time. Which is why I have twenty decks on ice. It’s so easy to go wild when $60 is nothing to you as an adult. But when you were younger that seemed like a lot. It’s funny (sad) I skate twice a week and probably have more gear than some pros 😭

Been fighting the urge to buy Ventures lately since it’s the only major truck I don’t own. They’re $41 on Tactics, but I know the mental cost will be far greater.

[camel filters]

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Kids have such an advantage over us when it comes to learning tricks. Less fear, faster healing time, and no real responsibilities. Skateboarding is a major commitment, and if you’re an adult that’s not a pro, you can’t spend five hours a day doing it.

So it’s natural that you’ll get worse with age. If Andrew Reynolds was a normal dude he wouldn’t be so good at his age, cause he would’ve had to get a “real” job ages ago.

Having the time to be that good is a privilege.

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Exactly. And my point was that I believe this relates to gear madness; real job steals the time but gives paychecks. It's easier to tinker with the setup at home and order some interesting parts that surely will bring back that 1995 summer breeze of all flip tricks in one run... And then get out once a week to burst that bubble.

On the other hand I definitely like 2020s as there is more actual measured knowledge on gear than just mythological gossip at the skatespot.

I agree with regular adults not having the time to progress at the rate of kids but I also find most older guys waste away the time they do have to skate bullshitting at the spot. I get that its fun to hang out but you can't complain about being shitty at it if you spend none of the free time you do have actually trying.

[FrenchSkater]

Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.

Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.

So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.

That's why I
came to realize one thing too, I
I say "damn but for 5 years I kept changing trucks, board length, and in fact I always skated the same way and I was neither stronger nor weaker with each setup.. Damn it's all psychological!"

I really don't care and let it be.. next board I buy, I keep my size and take it if I find it pretty and if I like the brand.. any size or else .. thinking about all this has certainly made me forget the pure pleasure of skating .. and destroyed many sessions for me ..

Now, if I can give one advice that popped into my head.. think positive and have a smile, no matter how bad the session is..

I don't want to fall back into this hell again, and take advantage of the few years I have left to skate relatively well !

[Mbrimson88]

Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.

Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.

So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.

Feeling your pain.

Been having a few very "unhappy" sessions recently, but maybe having a little time off the board might not be such a bad thing.

I had to give it a rest for a bit, then just eased back and I felt a whole lot better for it too.


Sure it doesn't work for everyone, but having some time out and then having a very chilled roll around is a good way to just let things go and have a bit of a release without going too hard.

[moonordie]

Madness is so bad I don't even know what I want to ride anymore and I rage focused my board today.

Setup a random deck on Indy standards and loved it for the first 3-5 sessions and since then its been rough going. I can do all the same stuff with marginally less consistency. The turn is fun, but a bit tippy and crazy at times. I likely skate better on Thunders. Been on the same shape more or less for over a year and it works, but after trying some others it no longer feels advantageous over anything else. Ventures have not historically worked for me, but being a more stable Indy-ish truck I sorta wish they did.

So I've got no setup right now and wanna skate on Thursday.

I feel you brother. I got a G016 because it was mad cheap and I was like "let's see how this tiny tail works". Jesus I was so naive... Hated the thing, tried to make it work 3 times and it was just a waste of time. Yesterday didn't even skated and instead of that I went to get a t-shirt that I liked.
Now I'll setup the old board that is not even that old.

[marcusbutler]

I had a madness of skating only mob grip. Any other grip would just feel inferior. I would skate vans with mob. I just dealt with not flipping the board right for two weeks until I would literally get my shoes down to nothing and have a week of somewhat consistent flips . I started skating blazers and the flick was perfect. But mob would just disintegrate my kickflip spot. So I finally went to jessup and i'm in pure bliss. brand new shoes and board feel already broken in. And they last twice as long. I was always worried that jessup would lose grip over some time. It does, but not as much as I thought. Currently riding jessup with NB#440's and this is the best combo i've skated in years.

[GrapefruitGrinds]

i like this thread.

i currently have the madness.
i been skating a 9" symmetrical egg and i love the eggs but wanted something a bit smaller to have easier flips.
I ordered the Grimplestix Egg 8.75 and it tapers over the back truck so that you can see the wheels. this drives me crazy so im immediately like no i cant skate this.. so then i go to my local and they have ZERO eggs. i decided to get a 8.75 polar popsicle deck. this feels do bad and weird and i cannot gel with it. so not im sitting on 3 or 4 different decks and dont want to skate any of them really.
i've been going crazy trying to find the specs for the 8.88 heroin eggs bc i think i would like that better than the 9'. the issue is they like trying to find a unicorn right now, so the alternative is the double shovel symmetrical deck from heroin. the Mandy double shovel with the mac n cheese goblin.
Do any of you have experience with double shovel decks?
im currently skating indy 159s and would prefer not to have to buy another set of trucks, but if i want to go down in deck size i think i may have to.

ugh how do you decide without being able to hold the board in your hands first?