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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2430 on: October 28, 2024, 08:33:28 AM »
As a bigger rider, bushings are the most important part of my setup. Can’t believe I used to ride stock. I’m a low impact skater, but stock gives me wheel bite just from carving.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2431 on: October 28, 2024, 08:39:31 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.

Nothing wrong with loosening or tightening your trucks duds... and nothing wrong with changing bushings. I just like it when the stock ones work out for me.
Trucks come with the nut flush.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2432 on: October 28, 2024, 08:42:28 AM »
Since I started skating again a bit more 'seriously' (as in actually trying to do more than some flat ground once a year) after a very long hiatus in a whole other sport, I feel like a lot of my tricks are back, albeit inconsistently... but I cannot get used to a more 'modern-day' setup. I don't seem to be able to stop ghost-popping on Indy FHs (53-54mm wheels). I think it might be time to sack the whole setup and go narrower, with low trucks and smaller wheels which is what I grew up skating. Full madness mode.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2433 on: October 28, 2024, 08:43:02 AM »
I do have next to me a pair of Tensor Mag Lights still in the plastic and the nut isn't flush though.

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« Reply #2434 on: October 28, 2024, 10:02:43 AM »
nut flush is a funny term. Do you mean the nylock? Top of the nut? Why is this the glory zone? It's like when people brag "finger tight" ok sick so you want less kingpin clearance and a mid sesh accident waiting to happen when ur shit falls off? Reynolds has legendary style and cranks. Nik Stain skates mach 20 and has almost as many threads showing. I saw GT in person once with 2 threads showing per truck. Who fucking cares as long as the skating is good?

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2435 on: October 28, 2024, 10:27:28 AM »
nut flush is a funny term. Do you mean the nylock? Top of the nut? Why is this the glory zone? It's like when people brag "finger tight" ok sick so you want less kingpin clearance and a mid sesh accident waiting to happen when ur shit falls off? Reynolds has legendary style and cranks. Nik Stain skates mach 20 and has almost as many threads showing. I saw GT in person once with 2 threads showing per truck. Who fucking cares as long as the skating is good?
I have two threads showing on my Thunders. But they were flush when I got them.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2436 on: October 28, 2024, 10:28:21 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.
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how would describe the slappy 100a?
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs

@munchbox Not skated doh doh 100s (only the 92s, they were nice), only Thunder (blacks), ACE hards, Indy 96s, Krux 96s.

The slappy 100a are very hard (and like the ACE hards, work super well in a low truck); Slappy are already super stable when you want them to be yet even as a low and with hard bushings they still turn amazing (and no wheelbite with 52mm wheels). Tops are a bit shorter than say a krux and a hair shorter than indy (probably perfect for Ventures).

Of all the ones I've listed, Krux felt the most stiff out of the bag, tho I used them them in Royals, NOT slappys (royal bottom is taller than most, like Krux and ACE).

What truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?

Since I started skating again a bit more 'seriously' (as in actually trying to do more than some flat ground once a year) after a very long hiatus in a whole other sport, I feel like a lot of my tricks are back, albeit inconsistently... but I cannot get used to a more 'modern-day' setup. I don't seem to be able to stop ghost-popping on Indy FHs (53-54mm wheels). I think it might be time to sack the whole setup and go narrower, with low trucks and smaller wheels which is what I grew up skating. Full madness mode.

@Twig88 You are not the only one; I can't hange with tall trucks and 54mm+ wheels (unless it's bowl/ditch or straight ollies); been hovering around 52mm (thunder, Venture or Royal) trucks and 52mm wheels for the longest time. Prior was indy forged whatevers at 53.5mm (for park with 53mm) and would skate the OLD Thunder 149ers, which were 49mm tall with 51/52mm; I did try ACE lows, but didn't stay with them long enough as I bumped up in board size and didn't want to dip again).

When Slappy came around I moved from Royal..felt off but could make it work but had moved to 8.125" bloards (and I tried some 55mm indys, couldn't hang). Everytime I would step off my slappies onto thunder/vent or royals, then back on slappys they felt too high (A WHOLE 2.4 mm too high lol so I'd dip back)...then on 52mm trucks I went to 51/50mm wheels, and a flatter (wider) board, things started feeling better. Setup my 149 forged Mindys (50.5mm tall) and 53mm wheels and then 51mm wheels and the magic happened. Currently on lows with 50mm wheels. Speed sucks balls but it feels good.

I pop very fast and very hard, it's very explosive and 'one size fits all effort' no matter the trick or obstacle just big, so a steep, tall board doesn't work as well (it works but ghost pop is there, I'm just expecting the pop sooner) as the timing on a lower flatter board, tho I do lose some height and have to suck up my knees more.

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Maybe it's muscle memory, what I used to skate height-wise, never skated low (branded) trucks other than the thunders, but always smaller wheels. Or maybe like Marnell (R.I.P.) "low and wide" is just what feels right...curbs and flat, ledges and small gaps, no vert, big rails, hucking or hillbombing.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2437 on: October 28, 2024, 10:38:45 AM »
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nut flush is a funny term. Do you mean the nylock? Top of the nut? Why is this the glory zone? It's like when people brag "finger tight" ok sick so you want less kingpin clearance and a mid sesh accident waiting to happen when ur shit falls off? Reynolds has legendary style and cranks. Nik Stain skates mach 20 and has almost as many threads showing. I saw GT in person once with 2 threads showing per truck. Who fucking cares as long as the skating is good?
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I have two threads showing on my Thunders. But they were flush when I got them.

Not that unusual for Thunders considering the bushings slowly mush and explode.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2438 on: October 28, 2024, 11:10:28 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.

Nothing wrong with loosening or tightening your trucks duds... and nothing wrong with changing bushings. I just like it when the stock ones work out for me.
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Trucks come with the nut flush.

Often but not always.

Its certainly climatic when nutflush can be achieved as a satisfactory adjustment.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2439 on: October 28, 2024, 12:46:00 PM »
Nutflush city limits?

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« Reply #2440 on: October 28, 2024, 01:21:41 PM »
Since I started skating again a bit more 'seriously' (as in actually trying to do more than some flat ground once a year) after a very long hiatus in a whole other sport, I feel like a lot of my tricks are back, albeit inconsistently... but I cannot get used to a more 'modern-day' setup. I don't seem to be able to stop ghost-popping on Indy FHs (53-54mm wheels). I think it might be time to sack the whole setup and go narrower, with low trucks and smaller wheels which is what I grew up skating. Full madness mode.

I was the same at first and slowly went up. I started back on an 8x14" with Thunder 147, then went up to 148s/Indy FH on an 8x14.25 with 50s, then an 8.25x14.25 for a while with similar trucks but went up to 52, tried some really big setups (8.5, 149s, 55s ) and came back to the 8.125-8.25 zone, then eventually settled on 8.25-8.4, 14.25-14.38 being ideal but I can do 14.5, Indy Standards or Ventures on 53-54.

I have a setup with Venture lows my son scoots around on and while I can skate it, there is no advantage if I wanna do flip tricks that leave the ground and I have to skate it slower. It's just less fun to skate and doesn't do anything any better other than dinky manual tricks on tiny pads. Not to say you need to ride what I do or go huge just do it in phases and get used to things. When I go back to Thunder 148/52s it's fun for a bit, but my pop is lower and it feels a bit anemic. I could probably get used to it again but given that most decks in the 8-8.25 range have a 14.25 or so I see no practical reason to ride the narrower ones.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2441 on: October 28, 2024, 04:06:02 PM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.
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how would describe the slappy 100a?
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs
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What truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?
venture 6.1s still
had to shave down the doh dohs to make them work
but if the slappys are shorter as you say, ill buy
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2442 on: October 28, 2024, 05:25:52 PM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.
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how would describe the slappy 100a?
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs
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What truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?
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venture 6.1s still
had to shave down the doh dohs to make them work
but if the slappys are shorter as you say, ill buy

I can't recall the doh doh height tbh (I ditched them when the bottom split - also fu to doh doh/shortys CS for not responding to a polite email about it). The TOPS are lower tho, for sure.

So few 96a+ options out there. Did you ever try the yellow indy 96a? They're pretty damn hard...plus since they are aftermarket, the bottoms are shorter.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2443 on: October 28, 2024, 10:56:55 PM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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If I could, I would but they heavier you are the harder that is to do. Currently running Slappy 100a in Slappy lows and it's glorious.
[close]
how would describe the slappy 100a?
looking for an alternative to 100a doh dohs
[close]
What truck are you riding and what are the doh dohs not giving you?
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venture 6.1s still
had to shave down the doh dohs to make them work
but if the slappys are shorter as you say, ill buy
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I can't recall the doh doh height tbh (I ditched them when the bottom split - also fu to doh doh/shortys CS for not responding to a polite email about it). The TOPS are lower tho, for sure.

So few 96a+ options out there. Did you ever try the yellow indy 96a? They're pretty damn hard...plus since they are aftermarket, the bottoms are shorter.
kinda averse to yellow bushings
and the closer to 100a the better for me
210ish lbs with a high center of gravity
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2444 on: October 29, 2024, 12:08:14 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.

Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2445 on: October 29, 2024, 12:21:10 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
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Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.




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« Reply #2446 on: October 29, 2024, 06:50:51 AM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
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Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.

From someone at DLX it literally was a dude with a pneumatic driver just brapping that shit on. They don't make THAT many trucks to have a fully automated assembly line. If a shop has many trucks from a brand you'll often see differing tightness in DLX trucks but NHS stuff seems to come basically nylock flush.

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« Reply #2447 on: October 29, 2024, 09:39:59 AM »
@Firebert tips on those crook pop overs? crooked grinds are my most consistent grind outside of 50-50s and i can pop out from ledges and rails very easily but only back to the same side i got on from. i'd love to learn these since i feel like they could help with fs nosegrind pop outs in the middle of the ledge, that's a bucket list trick but i feel like a crooked grind should be easier to learn, for me at least.

Sorry for the late reply - my tip would be to center your weight over that front foot, but come at the rail like you are going to ollie over it completely, so that your weight naturally shifts after the lock in to be tipping over the front foot. You will feel the wheel want to slip and right before that happens, you want to pop a regular nollie, don't attempt to turn while nollie-ing. The board will naturally straighten out when you pop.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2448 on: October 29, 2024, 05:06:40 PM »
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I'm one of those people who stubbornly tries to make stock bushings work as much as possible. after all, you can adjust the tightness of your trucks quite a bit... I know I know... we all want no thread showing, nut flush.
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But, turning that nut is NOT leaving things as “stock!” It's changing how they come / perform! If that change is allowed, why is switching bushings not allowed? :)
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 I know some people believe in this concept of 'factory tight' but I highly doubt the assembly workers aim to have each truck leave the factory the same way.
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Are there any vids of manufacturing processess? I`d imagine they use electric screwdivers with dialed in torque. So it would be indeed always the same way.
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From someone at DLX it literally was a dude with a pneumatic driver just brapping that shit on. They don't make THAT many trucks to have a fully automated assembly line. If a shop has many trucks from a brand you'll often see differing tightness in DLX trucks but NHS stuff seems to come basically nylock flush.


Yeah I think from seeing videos every single production of trucks is hand done, as in people in a production line have to put the pivot cup, bushing washers, bushings and kingpin on and someone at the end just does the machine "braap" to every truck that comes their way.  Someone else just had the axle washers and nuts too - that would be a fun job if you had to do that all day.  Also why all the axle nuts are only hand tightened and often come off on the way, whereas kingpin nuts are machined down and never come off.

That was from videos of DLX trucks, Indy, 2Hex and misc productions in China so I think pretty much every main company and others included.

Interesting to see it all like that too.


* First thing I always do with any new trucks is take off the kingpin nut and check which way the bushings are positioned, eg most of the time who ever puts them together always puts the lined side / open side down, whereas I like to put the two lined / open faces towards the hanger - facing each other.

Just my little bit of skateboard madness.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2449 on: October 29, 2024, 05:15:17 PM »
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Most trucks from new have the kingpin nut sitting off a bit too, so I would usually tighten it down to at least even with the top of the kingpin or a touch below, just to get a little more clearance, but it all depends on bushing hardness.  I do try to wear in the bushings with the nut just on enough first though - having it down too much squashes the bushings and they can pop out the sides of the washer, just doing a few laps round where ever I am without doing much in the way of heavy landings or anything besides just rolling around and it really does work well for breaking in bushings nicely.

And yes, the "stock tightness" changes fairly often from truck to truck, but I also understand how people like to run their kingpin nuts flush, so each to their own.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2450 on: October 29, 2024, 05:34:27 PM »
Oh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.

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« Reply #2451 on: October 29, 2024, 08:00:55 PM »
Oh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.

I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.

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« Reply #2452 on: October 30, 2024, 12:45:21 PM »
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I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.

Prasie Gall, you caught that. Could have been a catastrophe.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2453 on: October 31, 2024, 01:13:57 AM »
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Oh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.
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I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.
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Prasie Gall, you caught that. Could have been a catastrophe.


Ha yeah, it is a funny one.

Not worried any which way, but I do recall people getting quite upset with others saying which way the bushings should sit.

I forgot to check, but when I got a set of the Stage 4 Indy, which has the printed logo on it, I should have seen which way the bottom bushing was sitting, cause they had to get the logo the right way up.


The conical shaped bushings always have the lined part on the bigger edge, which sits facing each other / both towards the hanger, so that is how I align my bushings, given I am almost always on Conical rather than Cylinder.  I guess that saves me on this one for now?

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2454 on: October 31, 2024, 03:14:43 PM »
Buying way too much shit of Depop lately ... most recent given the cooler weather ...

Bianca Chandon sweatshirt
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Both $20 something

2 Pair of Nike All Court CK  1 from depop/1 from ebay

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The 20 year GT blazer lows

I'm gonna buy one more deck and then chill for a while ... I hope

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2455 on: October 31, 2024, 03:28:22 PM »
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Oh oh... strict regulations state that the lined side/ sharp edge of the bushing must sit on the bottom washer for proper performance potential.
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I swapped in my hard bushings [correctly] into my slappy lows and noticed the stocks were in violation of said regulation...they did fix that fucked top washer tho.
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Prasie Gall, you caught that. Could have been a catastrophe.
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Ha yeah, it is a funny one.

Not worried any which way, but I do recall people getting quite upset with others saying which way the bushings should sit.

I forgot to check, but when I got a set of the Stage 4 Indy, which has the printed logo on it, I should have seen which way the bottom bushing was sitting, cause they had to get the logo the right way up.


The conical shaped bushings always have the lined part on the bigger edge, which sits facing each other / both towards the hanger, so that is how I align my bushings, given I am almost always on Conical rather than Cylinder.  I guess that saves me on this one for now?

Good times!

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Didn't someone post ACE confirming this regulation a while back?

I never noticed a difference and didn't when riding these slappy lows stock for a minute until I swapped to hard...that said, if I'm re-building a truck, the damn ocd makes me check now :P

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2456 on: October 31, 2024, 04:54:28 PM »
Help. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s

And then also buy x99’s for park skating.
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« Reply #2457 on: October 31, 2024, 05:39:33 PM »
Help. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s

And then also buy x99’s for park skating.

Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....

As for park...101/103a all the way.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2458 on: October 31, 2024, 06:17:47 PM »
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Help. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s

And then also buy x99’s for park skating.
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Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....

As for park...101/103a all the way.
101a formula four, and 103a STF? (Or SPF?)
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #2459 on: October 31, 2024, 06:37:23 PM »
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Help. I’m about to buy some Dragon 93s, when I’m perfectly happy on my x97’s

And then also buy x99’s for park skating.
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Don't no need for the 93s if you are digging the 97s...but if you have the itch...those new nanorats are a betting looking/feeling/skating 97a....

As for park...101/103a all the way.
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101a formula four, and 103a STF? (Or SPF?)

That depends on you and the park?

SPF are dangerously glassy. 101a spits are probably what you need, I tend to carve fast (for fun) when not 'skating' in bowls so I need something like OJ elites, something grippy I can trust.