Gear madness support thread

[Slave IV]

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@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol!

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My 2c. Tbh I wouldn’t go for them. I skated four sets and while I liked how effortlessly they grind, the cons outweigh the pros imo

- They wear down wayyyy too fast
- That buttery grind works well for curbs or street ledges, but there isn’t much difference at skate parks
- Axles bent on every set I had and I don’t do any high impact skating
- They’re too light.. can be hard to control and good luck if it’s windy lol
- I heard people that ordered from Thank You Supply never received their trucks. Tbh idk what’s up with Tensor rn I haven’t seen anything new from them and whatever is available online seems to be NOS
- Once you get used to them it’s hard to go back to a heavier truck
- If you’re skating on any type of rough ground the vibrations are crazy like you can really feel it in your legs
- Stock bushings kinda suck (though the interlocking bushings are a good concept)

Shit I could go on lol. They’re an improvement over the previous model and I wouldn’t say they’re bad trucks, but imo not worth getting into

Thanks for the feedback but the thing is, I already have a couple sets but in the 8.25” size and I want to try a bit wider for the wider decks I’ve been riding. I agree they wear down quickly but that’s to be expected and I really love light trucks. I’m currently riding Ace AF1, which are one of the heaviest trucks around and also standard Thunders and when I was riding the Tensors, I had old Indy’s on my other setup and I’m fine with all of them. Tensors are just my favorite since the turns are comparable to Ace and Indy but way lighter and grind better. I also think the stock bushings are excellent for feel and performance but I do get clicking, I think when the top washer hits the hanger. Not a big deal to me. As for bending, I thought I bent mine, which is why I got another set. I contacted Thank You Supply and they just sent me new ones right away so I have them as backups when I finally kill the current set. Thing is, I’m not sure if they really are bent and if so, it’s not enough to notice when I’m riding. When I thought they were bent, it was because I looked through the axel and couldn’t see the other side clearly but when I checked sometime after I already got the new set sent to me, I could see through again so it was probably my just something stuck in it that fell out.
As for why you haven’t heard anything lately, it’s because they went out of business a while ago and everything seems to be on hiatus except the decks that DSM still makes for several brands. I don’t see the 8.5” Maglights for sale anywhere except that store posted recently here but they don’t seem to ship to USA. There was also sightings at Ollie’s where it looks like they bought up remaining stock and was blowing them out but I don’t have Ollie’s around either. No idea if Tensor will ever come back so I’m hoping to get more while I can.

[moonordie]

@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol!

Sorry, I sold them straight away and also we're probably far away. Follow @FatGuy92 advise, those trucks are evil.

[Slave IV]

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@moonordie
You mentioned you had Tensor Maglights and hated them. The ones you got are the exact ones I want (8.5" ATG). You still have 'em and interested in selling?
They may be the end of my truck madness, lol!

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Sorry, I sold them straight away and also we're probably far away. Follow @FatGuy92 advise, those trucks are evil.

All good, I kinda figured it might not be practical after I noticed that shop you got them from don't ship to the US.
As for them being evil? Haha, I love em as explained above and really want to try the 8.5” version.

[swongolianbbq]

I'm just way to used to skating 53mm wheels after all these years

Years ago I put my Indy 149s on a ~9" shaped deck and got some ~58mm OJs on there. That was like the first time I started messing around with different stuff. Then a couple years later had some 58mm wheels on a ~9" shaped deck with Indy 159s... Back when I was living in Montana/Wyoming. Had a great time on them. Mean-ass, high kickflips on the shaped 9+" with 149s. I remember a really satisfying bigspin heel on the 159's over a pyramid. Out there I had a 10" '86 reissue deck with 64mm wheels that I loved too, with super coarse grip that I would cruise around on.

But I was also only like 26 at the time

Either way I just seemed way less consistent/got tired easier trying to skate bigger wheels nowadays. Settled on 56mm, thought it would be my main shit, ended up hating it and going back to 53/54. If I absolutely have to I'll buy 55s

Funny when I was like 16 I won some 56mm wheels at a contest, and tried them. I remember how the board felt. I didn't like it and went back to 53s. I think I forgot that feeling and was trying to fight through it, for perceived benefits.. but yeah fuck it

Wheels have been the last bit of madness I haven't tamed yet

I'm certain about the 8.5 / 14.25 BBS deck, and stage 11 149s.

I think 54mm classics are gonna be the jam, as much as I REALLY wanted 56mm to work, and convinced myself they would wear down and look sick, I just didn't even like them enough to bother skating em long enough to wear them down

What

[Sedition]

What

53mm is the jam. That’s what.

[swongolianbbq]

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53mm is the jam. That’s what.

🙏 Thank you for the positive madness support 🙏

I only ever skated 53s for the first 10-15 years and never really knew why, nor cared, I just knew I fucked with 53s. Tried a buncha shit the last couple years and ended up only coming to the conclusion that 54s are also okay, and I don't like conicals.

[DarkPools]

I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked,  but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.

However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.

Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast

[Mbrimson88]

I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked,  but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.

However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.

Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast

I had tried both Venture and Thunder in the past, but coming from being able to turn so easily on Indy, I was always feeling a bit lacking when on either of those, until I saw someone else messing with bushings and decided to give things a try as well, a number of combinations working well enough, but the one that really stood out and worked great was when I used a cut off slice of bushing under the bottom bushing to bring the whole truck angle up a bit more, then with a lowered top, to keep things at the same height overall.

Some people had used an extra washer under the bottom bushing too, along with a flat top washer, to really maximise the amount of turn that could come out of either truck, but I like to try things where I can use everything that came with the truck, without having to buy a whole lot of extra stuff, even though using the Venture loose bushing kit with a few extra washers is a very easy and no fuss option.

Any which way, I also had to either cut deep wheel wells, add a thin riser for Thunders too, or even reduce wheel size a bit, for both Thunder and Venture trucks, but I got them all working amazingly well now and they actually turn better than my regular Indy trucks, which are also on the Indy low conical bushings.

Just for a laugh, I tried the other brand bushings in Indy trucks too and Thunder bushings give Indy a little more turn as well, being slightly taller, but that is beside the point.


If you have the parts, try a bit of mix and match with washers and bushings, before doing any permanent modifications, but as I have done, cutting a thin slice off the top bushing, then adding it under the bottom bushing, it really did make a big difference in how much both Thunder and Venture turn now.

[Sedition]

However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise..

This is very simple. If you are trying to make them feel like Indys, ride Indys.

[j....soy.....]

A) put risers on thunders
B) bushings: conical/soft/ washer
C) new thunders?
D) ride Indy’s….

There’s a point where a truck is a tuck, they all do something well, but you can’t really change geometry. 

[Mbrimson88]

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However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise..

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This is very simple. If you are trying to make them feel like Indys, ride Indys.

It is a funny thing because with enough playing around, I could make both Thunder and Venture "turn more" than Indy, but the turn is still different, maybe more like Ace in that regard actually, when compared to my usual Indy trucks.  Even the Indy Stage 4 trucks have a significantly different turn to them, which then made my usual Indy trucks feel sluggish in the turn department, by comparison.

Overall though, I guess this is the thread for it, if there ever was going to be discussion on that side of things, or madness about it, if it really does seem like madness to try to get one truck to perform like another truck.

I like messing around with the different brands to see how they feel, but I still had the best session on my plain old Indy standard 149s the other day, set up just right / how I like them, normal 8.5 board, maybe smaller than average Classics worn down to a good size - originally 56 down to 53 mm.  Everything just worked, so I didn't even need to get out the Thunder or Venture setups.

There’s a point where a truck is a tuck, they all do something well, but you can’t really change geometry. 

Actually that is exactly what I did with adding a couple of mm under the hanger - extra bushing slice or extra washer, which then brought the truck hanger up a lot more and then turned a huge amount, almost too much for some people who had a go of the boards with Thunder and Venture trucks that I have been messing with.

Any which way, it was an interesting experiment, but most people felt weird about them, which I completely understand.


All this is really just the fun I had while waiting for T-II trucks to arrive here in AU, which from all accounts will perform pretty much like I made the normal Thunder trucks perform with the modifications I made.  Any which way, it is more just a test and a chance to see what I can do, rather than a permanent change I would make to these setups.

It does make me like Thunder and Venture a whole lot more though, but as I said above, getting back on my "normal" setup with Indy standards, everything just works.

[j....soy.....]

I stand corrected…I should have said you can only change the geometry so much….

And I probably didn’t honor the thread….

[Mbrimson88]

I stand corrected…I should have said you can only change the geometry so much….

And I probably didn’t honor the thread….

Never a worry there, but it sure has been an eye opener and somewhat of a wild ride messing with stuff like this.

Still not sure long term if things will work, eg pivot cups might tend to blow out or even just the whole different feel might be something that then makes everything else feel weird if I stay on these boards longer than a few sessions, but at this point in my life and skateboarding in general, it is an interesting experiment and kind of fun for me at the same time.

Even a few years ago, I would never have thought I would have been drilling out baseplates, cutting up bushings, reshaping bushing washers, hammering out and inverting normal kingpins and every other weird and wacky thing I have been trying lately, just because I can.

Sure does make skateboarding a little more interesting all the same, but I am not getting lost down a rabbit hole for any one particular brand, size, shape or anything like that either and I still have my usual boards I can ride, which is the main thing.  Keeping it grounded, if that makes sense?

[Schinken]

Lately I've been messing around with trucks as well. Thunder and venture.  Thunder trucks with cylinder bottom bushings offer lots of stability and a nice turning radius but feel like crap if ridden after some independents. Venture trucks have to be loose to get the same turning radius like thunder. Loose Ventures are more fun to ride than thunders but you lose a lot of stability and tight transitions suck on ventures.

Since I gravitate more and more to transition/allround I think the best for me would be to get some indy forged hollow and call it a day.

[Rick Trapasso]

Lately I've been messing around with trucks as well. Thunder and venture.  Thunder trucks with cylinder bottom bushings offer lots of stability and a nice turning radius but feel like crap if ridden after some independents. Venture trucks have to be loose to get the same turning radius like thunder. Loose Ventures are more fun to ride than thunders but you lose a lot of stability and tight transitions suck on ventures.

Since I gravitate more and more to transition/allround I think the best for me would be to get some indy forged hollow and call it a day.

My personal experiences have led me to believe that most (not all) people who suffer from truck madness in the form of hopping around a bunch of brands would probably be fine on some form of Indys.

[Slave IV]

I just posted this in the wheel thread but think it might help some people here too:

I wanted to get a better look at how some of the rounded wheel shapes compare so I made this overlay using the images from their websites. Based on how the wheels lined up using the bearing diameter as the constant, seems like there is a lot of variance to how the bearings seat or the diagrams just aren't "real" CAD based on the actual wheel dimensions so take that however it is.



If the shapes they all shared are accurate, we can see that Bones V1 have the largest radius to where they are nearly flat on the sides, Radials have the smallest radius so they are the most squared off at the edge and Classics do seem to have the the most balanced transition from edge to sides. When I look at it sideways as if each profile is a launch ramp, the Classic is the shape I would want to launch off of, so maybe there really is something to that which makes them so desirable to a lot of people.

[DarkPools]

Per the truck experimenting conversation above:

I've religiously skated Indys the last 15 years at least. They've given me the best consistent results, so they're always what I'm skating "full time" on my main set up. I haven't really had a "madness," so much as a curiosity about alternatives to my Indys. Especially since production has changed over the last 5-6 years + tariffs affecting availability/pricing has me curious about solid alternatives for my preferences.

I made a second/third setup to see how Thunders are (again) and Ventures (for the first time). To see if I'm missing out on anything or if I'm just married to Indy out of familiarity. I enjoy the pinch and lighter feel with Thunders on my "lower energy" days. Ventures look like a cool, brutalist truck and their stability is appealing.

@Sedition that's why my main time whip will always have Indys! I'm just curious how I can fine tune the Thunders/Ventures i bought and see if they're comparable to Indy in ways I hadn't been privy to prior. Fun to experiment,  though!

@Mbrimson88 as always, your insight and tips are appreciated to explore some tinkering! The bushings mods feel like more than I'd like to do, but at least I know I can try those beyond any basic mods.

Shout out anyone else adding info to this truck conversation!!

[Sedition]

Per the truck experimenting conversation above:

I've religiously skated Indys the last 15 years at least. They've given me the best consistent results, so they're always what I'm skating "full time" on my main set up. I haven't really had a "madness," so much as a curiosity about alternatives to my Indys. Especially since production has changed over the last 5-6 years + tariffs affecting availability/pricing has me curious about solid alternatives for my preferences.

I made a second/third setup to see how Thunders are (again) and Ventures (for the first time). To see if I'm missing out on anything or if I'm just married to Indy out of familiarity. I enjoy the pinch and lighter feel with Thunders on my "lower energy" days. Ventures look like a cool, brutalist truck and their stability is appealing.

@Sedition that's why my main time whip will always have Indys! I'm just curious how I can fine tune the Thunders/Ventures i bought and see if they're comparable to Indy in ways I hadn't been privy to prior. Fun to experiment,  though!

@Mbrimson88 as always, your insight and tips are appreciated to explore some tinkering! The bushings mods feel like more than I'd like to do, but at least I know I can try those beyond any basic mods.

Shout out anyone else adding info to this truck conversation!!

•nods•

I’ve tried every truck. More than I care to admit. I always come back to forged Indys. Always. After decades of skating, and experimenting, the reason (at least for me) Forged Indys always win is they are the perfect blend of everything else. They may not outshine in one specific area (e.g. turn of Ace, pinch/weight of Thunder, pop of Venture, etc.), but  they blend all of those into a perfect “middle ground” (inc. height) that is utterly unmatched by any other truck.

They also have the most durable, and most varied, aftermarket bushing options of any truck made.

Forged Indys. The best there is.

[Obijuan91]

I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked,  but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.

However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.

Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast

I been experiment on thunders right now coming from forged indy(needed something more stable). Right now I have the red Indy conical bushings 88a on there. Not flush or broken in they turn and feel sooo good but I feel once flush they’ll tighten up again. One thing I learned about thunder tho is there’s a point where the turn stops and you’re just leaning so the turn won’t ever be fully the same.

[rocklobster]

I just posted this in the wheel thread but think it might help some people here too:

I wanted to get a better look at how some of the rounded wheel shapes compare so I made this overlay using the images from their websites. Based on how the wheels lined up using the bearing diameter as the constant, seems like there is a lot of variance to how the bearings seat or the diagrams just aren't "real" CAD based on the actual wheel dimensions so take that however it is.



If the shapes they all shared are accurate, we can see that Bones V1 have the largest radius to where they are nearly flat on the sides, Radials have the smallest radius so they are the most squared off at the edge and Classics do seem to have the the most balanced transition from edge to sides. When I look at it sideways as if each profile is a launch ramp, the Classic is the shape I would want to launch off of, so maybe there really is something to that which makes them so desirable to a lot of people.

Appreciate the commitment to the madness, I'd be on Classic Fulls if they were a regular shape and made in F4 not just Classic formula

[Slave IV]

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I just posted this in the wheel thread but think it might help some people here too:

I wanted to get a better look at how some of the rounded wheel shapes compare so I made this overlay using the images from their websites. Based on how the wheels lined up using the bearing diameter as the constant, seems like there is a lot of variance to how the bearings seat or the diagrams just aren't "real" CAD based on the actual wheel dimensions so take that however it is.



If the shapes they all shared are accurate, we can see that Bones V1 have the largest radius to where they are nearly flat on the sides, Radials have the smallest radius so they are the most squared off at the edge and Classics do seem to have the the most balanced transition from edge to sides. When I look at it sideways as if each profile is a launch ramp, the Classic is the shape I would want to launch off of, so maybe there really is something to that which makes them so desirable to a lot of people.

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Appreciate the commitment to the madness, I'd be on Classic Fulls if they were a regular shape and made in F4 not just Classic formula

Thanks! I’ve been thinking of doing something like this to help me better visualize the differences and it was fun and easy. I was about to add a conical shape to it but think it gets too busy at that point but if anyone is interested in some other shape comparisons, lmk.

[Bupstop]

You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?

[Sedition]

You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?

IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.

https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f

[DarkPools]

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You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?

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IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.

https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f

Gonna need to watch or re-watch that because I've been strictly conical or conical fulls since September 2020 with solid comfort.  I used to be a V5 Bones guy and hated the Spit "classic" shape most companies offer.

Almost every F4 C/CF set I've skated has been 99 or 101 @ 52 - 54mm.  I love how they lock in most of the time. Sometimes I feel them stick on ledges and coping, unless there's more wax than not. I kinda jumped on conicals because everyone else (my friends) were mostly on them. They fuckin ripped on my first set! I'll never forget how stable, yet fast, yet slidey, yet grippy 99 conical full 54mm were! I do a lot of crooks and sometimes they catch or stick and I'm curious about classics, classic full, og classic, and radials

[Sedition]

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You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?

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IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.

https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f

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Gonna need to watch or re-watch that because I've been strictly conical or conical fulls since September 2020 with solid comfort.  I used to be a V5 Bones guy and hated the Spit "classic" shape most companies offer.

Almost every F4 C/CF set I've skated has been 99 or 101 @ 52 - 54mm.  I love how they lock in most of the time. Sometimes I feel them stick on ledges and coping, unless there's more wax than not. I kinda jumped on conicals because everyone else (my friends) were mostly on them. They fuckin ripped on my first set! I'll never forget how stable, yet fast, yet slidey, yet grippy 99 conical full 54mm were! I do a lot of crooks and sometimes they catch or stick and I'm curious about classics, classic full, og classic, and radials

Radials are a good half-way point between full Connies and Classics.

[DarkPools]

From that overlay of shapes @Slave IV did + looking at photos + seeing my local shop owner on the Radials makes me curious about how they'd feel for me!

[Hqjdncm]

Well I went ahead and bought a new deck and wheels. I got the 8.75 prime wood blank with a 14.625 wb and also got the 55mm vcut grocery bags by sml wheels. Set it up and got a sesh on it and I’m loving it so far. Feels much lighter and snappier than the 14.75 wb I was riding and the wheels feel super nice rn although I’m looking forward to the broken in stage. Also the wood from prime feels much better than the last time I rode one so that’s a plus too. Will be posting a pic in the setup thread. But I swear I always get new stuff and immediately start looking for the next thing to buy :/

[MMongrel]

I've been pulled towards Thunder & Venture here and there. Tried both on separate occasions. Ventures sucked,  but maybe they get better with some tuning? Thunders felt manageable, but like Ventures, would not turn comfortably.

However, I've been trying to get both to feel like Indy's turn-wise, and that's either my main flaw or my key to making them work.

Gonna try softer bushings in both sets on my 2 spare setups. The loose kit bushings are what I'm trying in the Ventures. For the Thunder, I gotta research what's softer than the stock on 151 cast

I got Thunders to feel and turn great by sanding the rebuild kit blue top bushing down 1mm. I wish I found a way to make my Venture Hi's to feel similar. The stock bushings felt good and turny initially, but after a month or two of skating the turn started to decline and I haven't felt like skating the board with Venture's after having a hard time carving into curb tricks etc. Bought a set of Ace hards but it's such a hassle to sand 'em down multiple mm's to fit Venture's that I only have one trucks bushings ready. Shop was out or hard low's....

[Slave IV]

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You guys are right about the classics being better at locking into tricks. I’ve been skating lock-ins for a while now and switched to an old pair of classics I had and I could land a bunch of grinds consistently that I’ve struggled with recently. I lost consistency on backside slappys and feebles with the lock in wheels and thought it was a mental thing or something.
Now I’m wondering if I should size up in the classics. Currently skating some worn 93a that were 52 I think?

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IMHO, the efficacy of wheel lock is really contingent on the typo of grind, and the shape of the surface being grinded. Ben Degro actually has a great video on comparative wheel shapes that I think is dead-on.

https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY?si=uYnEFS2ttmaTG5_f

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Gonna need to watch or re-watch that because I've been strictly conical or conical fulls since September 2020 with solid comfort.  I used to be a V5 Bones guy and hated the Spit "classic" shape most companies offer.

Almost every F4 C/CF set I've skated has been 99 or 101 @ 52 - 54mm.  I love how they lock in most of the time. Sometimes I feel them stick on ledges and coping, unless there's more wax than not. I kinda jumped on conicals because everyone else (my friends) were mostly on them. They fuckin ripped on my first set! I'll never forget how stable, yet fast, yet slidey, yet grippy 99 conical full 54mm were! I do a lot of crooks and sometimes they catch or stick and I'm curious about classics, classic full, og classic, and radials

This is pretty much exactly where I’m at. I got 99 CF 54mm when I started skating again and hitting up parks. I was sliding everywhere on my old wheels that were all small, skinny rounded or tablet shaped. The CF felt perfect to me. Then I finally learned to lock in on crooks and been hooked on doing those but I’m having a lot of trouble unlocking from them. I know it’s mostly user error and I need to step up my skills but it’s what got me wondering if going back to a more rounded wheel will help. I’m also thinking Radials might be the way to go because I don’t want to give up riding surface and slip again but I also don’t think the shape is different enough. Now I’m getting why some people are saying Classics worn down a few mm are perfect because you get that profile but some added contact patch. Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.

[Sedition]

Maybe I’ll try some 54mm Classics and hope they are perfect when worn down to 52mm.

Or...just get...Radials.