Gear madness support thread

[Mbrimson88]

Anyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?

Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?

I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.

There might be some science to it, but I would tend to say no I don't think it would make any difference.

People will still bend any axle with four washers or no washers if they land heavily enough, not just from drops or heights, but even from just repeated heavy solid landings it would seem for some people.

Wheels might wear a little differently sitting out a bit further for some people, or some wheel shapes, maybe more so those really wide versions, which will often wear a lot more on the inside, or the part closest to the middle of the board, but even that could be more a case of the angle of the trucks when on ledges and curbs, which will wear the wheels on a certain angle, more than just being on flat ground.


* For reference, I have toyed with the idea of having half a dozen washers on the inside, the wheels on past that and the axle nuts on with the nyloc facing in, so the wheels were way further out than any normal setup and they still skated fine and had no issues.  It tripped people out who only realised later what they had been riding, when they took it for a test roll, but they said it didn't feel any different when they skated it and the trucks held up fine to some pretty solid use like that.

[bluedohdohs]

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Yep, more of what I was saying but I just wanted to address the last part about bearings. I thought my Swiss 6 bearings were done because they were over 10 years old and some of them didn’t even spin when I took them out and tried to roll with my fingers. Got new bearings and set the Swiss aside. Then, I was setting up a new ride and didn’t want to pull my other bearings so I cleaned the Swiss 6. They ended up faster than the new bearings I bought so basically, don’t count out any bearings without giving them a good cleaning.

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Appreciate the response yeah i actually did just give them a good cleaning the other week, but just acetone and iso and shaking it up. Do you mean removing the cages and cleaning it like that? I’m debating doing that but every wheel just seemed off and i’ve never removed the cages and cleaned like that so it was black friday and i was like screw it i’ll buy some and maybe actually service them

Pretty sure i’m just gonna throw em in my cruiser board, i take my dogs skating with it and they run fast as hell might get out whatever is in there on it’s own
You’re def right though the cruiser board had some crusty n rusty reds on there and I didn’t even remove the wheel just sprayed iso in it spun it a lil bit and after awhile added speed cream & that was enough to have it flossin like before kinda wild how many folks replace bearings before trying to maintenance em.
I was just in my head cause they don’t feel terrible I felt like i remembered them being faster at first
But seemed like Olympia’s  a small brand n it has Crockett n Westgate why not. If they’re faster i’ll keep em on if the swiss feel faster i’ll just throw the ceramics on the cruiser board. That’d be the ideal scenario honestly but idk these bearings feel pretty good so far went to the park yesterday and even though it was windy as hell i just skated a lil transition and tried a bunch of mannys round the park and it felt like i wasn’t miserable against the wind and i was flying when it was on my back
I’m gonna do a hill i did in the swiss’s the other week and report back lol

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I’ve never taken bearing completely apart, just remove the shields and shake them up in acetone or isopropyl alcohol and then a drop or two of speed cream has been enough. I suppose if thy get really bad, you could go as far as getting new cages but I haven’t needed to yet. Either way, it’s doesn’t hurt to have more bearings around.

Yeah taking it apart all the way like that seems like a pain. I might see if i can get some replacement ball bearings and maybe get tedious one of these winter days but probably not the iso bath is good enough

Also @furlinedsea what do you hate about ps stix? Was debating making my next board a ps stix again

[swongolianbbq]

I fully took apart some bones reds like that one time and I don't know why but they were never the same after that

I've never done it since. I just shake em in the lil bones jar with acetone and spin dry with canned air (which is fun and sounds awesome)

[FrAnKenFrEd]

Anyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?

Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?

I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.

According to the Law of Moments, yes. Is it possible in real life skateboarding applications with the change in length of the pivot point, and impact force? Not sure....

[Rick Trapasso]

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Anyone much smarter than me out there know if using washers to push wheels further out on a truck's axle will make the axle more likely to bend? Or is the amount of space minimal enough and axle strength strong enough that it shouldn't make a difference?

Basically how much of an impact would it make by moving the wheel on the axle out an additional 1/16"?

I have lightly bent my axles on the last couple sets of trucks I've had and want to just chalk it up to old trucks. I don't really huck much anymore so I feel like this shouldn't be happening. Really wondering if extra washers can make this worse.

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According to the Law of Moments, yes. Is it possible in real life skateboarding applications with the change in length of the pivot point, and impact force? Not sure....

I feel like you'll be fine. Especially if you're only adding one washer on each side.

[swongolianbbq]

1 day madness free

Grant me the serenity to remember I used to eat mushrooms and rip on other people's setups

[Sandwich Marty]

Grant me the serenity to remember I used to eat mushrooms and rip on other people's setups

Amen

[Rick Trapasso]

1 day madness free

Grant me the serenity to remember I used to eat mushrooms and rip on other people's setups

Shalom

[swongolianbbq]

I made a lil chart with balanced, proportionate truck/wheel sizes for y'all (using indy standards and spitfire classic shape as a reference)

                                  Truck           Wheel
129 ----------------------- 7.625" --- 46 to 48mm
136/139(sw) -------- 8" ---------- 49 to 51mm
144/146/149 ----- ~8.375" --- 52 to 54mm
151/159(fw) ------ ~8.75" ----- 55 to 57mm
161/169(mfw) --- ~9.125" --- 58 to 60mm

In the case of spitfire classics, the wheels jump up in width starting at 55 and again for 60s

I can interchange 52, 53, 54 with no noticeable difference to my skating, but if I slap some 55s or 56s on there it throws my whole game off. I learned that this year.

I think the proportions look and feel really good when the wheel size = axle length divided by 4

I think wheelbase is a preference based on how long your legs are and what type of skating you do, but 14.25" is the most common.

Board and wheel size are all preference for what kind of skating you do. There's slappy curb dudes riding 52mm wheels on Indy 215s with half-inch tall risers. This is just a guide for proportionate looking setups.

I think as the wheel size gets bigger, the pop angle changes, and bigger boards often have longer wheelbases, so I think Aces or stage 4s or something work best to balance that out.

As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too, lower trucks with wider wheelbase make more sense like venture lows

I learned a lot of crap this year. Don't get me started on bushings.

I just kinda wanted to share my like, proportion key of axle ÷ 4 = wheel size hahah

Obviously this is just a jump-off point and you can always slap some 54s on some venture low 5.0s if it works for you

I spent too much time on this thread so I think now it's time for me to listen and try to help, instead of publicly stressing about 1/4"

[FrAnKenFrEd]

Yeah but 50mm Lil Smokies look lush on a 9.18 Huffer.

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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..

Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.

Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.

[Sedition]

I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

EDIT: Trucks have been claimed. Offer no longer valid.

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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..

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Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.

Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.

swongol was speaking to desirable proportions.
his ranges make sense, and touch onto some level of information i don’t have access to yet….i have had setups with 169s and big wheels, that i could still treflip, and i think it was because everything had scaled up ‘correctly’




in personal madness moves: i want to buy either a griffin or simon inspired setup.

[Rick Trapasso]

I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

Giving away new trucks in the madness thread is pretty hilarious.

A very kind gesture (really, it is), but also kind of akin to giving drugs to addicts lol.

I still gnar'd you for kindness though.

[swongolianbbq]

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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..

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Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.

Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.

I probably just worded it like shit, I'm talking about decks. How usually decks under 8" are 14" wb, and people that skate decks under 8" often skate smaller wheels

A 7.5 deck with a 14.5 wheelbase would be fuckin wild lookin tho. Doesn't exactly work as well as 9" with a 14" wb which is fun as fuck

Yeah but 50mm Lil Smokies look lush on a 9.18 Huffer.

Indeed they do

This is just for like, proportionate stuff as far as keeping stuff from feeling too tippy, or too glued to the ground. Running 60s on some 129s is obviously less fun than like, 50s on 159s which is rad

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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Giving away new trucks in the madness thread is pretty hilarious.

A very kind gesture (really, it is), but also kind of akin to giving drugs to addicts lol.

I still gnar'd you for kindness though.

First one is free.

[And I'll bounce it over to the Thunder thread eventually, but going to offer it up to my Madness Crew, first. ]

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As the wheels get smaller and the wheelbase gets smaller too..

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Huh? Wheelbase is based on either (a) your deck, or (b) center-of-truck-axle to center-of-truck-axle.

Size of wheels has no impact on either of those.

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I probably just worded it like shit, I'm talking about decks. How usually decks under 8" are 14" wb, and people that skate decks under 8" often skate smaller wheels

A 7.5 deck with a 14.5 wheelbase would be fuckin wild lookin tho. Doesn't exactly work as well as 9" with a 14" wb which is fun as fuck

Oh! Totally got you, and absolutely agree.

[Rick Trapasso]

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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Giving away new trucks in the madness thread is pretty hilarious.

A very kind gesture (really, it is), but also kind of akin to giving drugs to addicts lol.

I still gnar'd you for kindness though.

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First one is free.

[And I'll bounce it over to the Thunder thread eventually, but going to offer it up to my Madness Crew, first. ]

That's exactly the phrase I was thinking of lol

[Slave IV]

I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

If no one is taking it up I will

[Sedition]

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

You are someone, not no one, so, looks like they are yours. DM your info.

[bluedohdohs]

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

Dang saw this too late haha
I’m too newbie anyway super sick to see i’m smiling ear to ear rn

[bluedohdohs]

I fully took apart some bones reds like that one time and I don't know why but they were never the same after that

I've never done it since. I just shake em in the lil bones jar with acetone and spin dry with canned air (which is fun and sounds awesome)

Yeah i need some compressed air for various more important things but that’s def one of em
No i def believe that and thank you that’s all i needed to hear to decide not to do that haha

We had a great weather day in the midwest so I kept the skate cushes on again & went out skating
They feel great my ankle is a lil hurt so i was taking it easy but did a few high heelflips and kickflips dipped and almost every time haha
I finally learned how to slappy, I’ve always liked em but not enough to learn em idk but been trying to branch out and try more stuff in skating I always had lil uncomfortable hang ups or something so that felt good

The ceramic olympia bearings feel really good officially a fan, need to ride some friend’s boards with fresh bearings and try and compare but it’s noticeable faster than what i had & i jumped on my friend’s board that had G3s probably G2s cause geez louise them mfs felt terrible haha granted he’s been hurt so they’ve just been sitting but my girl’s almost mint reds been sitting for years n they feel good so idk i def get the hate for Bronsons now mainly G2s glad I didn’t go that route

The olympias are just so fast, smooth, & silent ,and i do like noise but idc that much it felt sick gliding thru the park. I’m gonna put the swiss on my cruiser board
Also anyone feel free to tell me if another thread is better to talk about the sesh or something I like it here but I’m new so don’t wanna ramble on this thread if ya’ll more focused on the gear
Anyone else get a sesh in today (yesterday by the time lots of yous read this)

[Sandwich Marty]

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

Congratulations on the trucks!

Also, you poor, mad bastard.

T2’s were the catalyst for my most recent bout of truck insanity. They’re close enough to Indy’s and AF1’s yet just different enough to make me question what I even wanted in a skate truck. In all seriousness though, I could see them being the truck someone’s been looking for so good luck!

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

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You are someone, not no one, so, looks like they are yours. DM your info.

Sick! Info sent. I’ve been wanting to try 151s so this works out for me. Thanks so much!

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

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Congratulations on the trucks!

Also, you poor, mad bastard.

T2’s were the catalyst for my most recent bout of truck insanity. They’re close enough to Indy’s and AF1’s yet just different enough to make me question what I even wanted in a skate truck. In all seriousness though, I could see them being the truck someone’s been looking for so good luck!

Haha, yeah will see how it goes. As I mentioned above, been wanting to try 151 or 8.75” trucks of any kind and I currently ride regular Thunders and AF1, but both 8.5”. I’m pretty adaptable overall so hope it won’t induce too much madness.

[Mbrimson88]

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I said I would, and I am true to my word. This T-2 151 Christmas Package is FREE for ever wants it, just pay shipping.

I tried them, with an assortment of different bushings, and they just aren't for me. Hopefully they might be good for you. Sorry I don't have the 94a bushing to complete the "set," but I gave them to a friend who rides Thunders.

First come, first serve.

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If no one is taking it up I will

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You are someone, not no one, so, looks like they are yours. DM your info.

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Sick! Info sent. I’ve been wanting to try 151s so this works out for me. Thanks so much!

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Congratulations on the trucks!

Also, you poor, mad bastard.

T2’s were the catalyst for my most recent bout of truck insanity. They’re close enough to Indy’s and AF1’s yet just different enough to make me question what I even wanted in a skate truck. In all seriousness though, I could see them being the truck someone’s been looking for so good luck!

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Haha, yeah will see how it goes. As I mentioned above, been wanting to try 151 or 8.75” trucks of any kind and I currently ride regular Thunders and AF1, but both 8.5”. I’m pretty adaptable overall so hope it won’t induce too much madness.

To add maybe too late in this case, but I would recommend trying the T-II trucks for at least a few sessions, because the first session for me was almost too weird, the second only a little better, the third maybe starting to feel like the bushings might possibly work for me, but it wasn't until almost a month later that everything really clicked, even though in that time I had been skating my other boards too.

That was on the 149s on the DLX 8.38 shape - two set up, one with their stock bushings, the other with whatever bushings I wanted to try in there, both feeling really good now.

Yesterday was the first session on the T-II 151s and yes I had forgotten how crazy the stock bushings felt at first, way too loose and very difficult to even just do comfortable laps on so after every run I would tighten them down a quarter turn (just doing minimal stuff - turns back and forth but for a while each run) until I had almost three threads showing on each truck.  That in itself should have been enough to put most people off, but by that point, it was feeling manageable and I angle grinded the kingpin off about two threads, same as I usually do to Indy and what I did to my other T-II trucks. 

Finished the session feeling really good about the whole setup, not too loose, not hard to ride, just a fast track to making these trucks work for me, without destroying the bushings in the process.  To note everything else I had set up with regular Thunder 151s, so it wasn't like I had a brand new complete, but the brand new T-II bushings were the hardest thing to get used to.

I think a couple more sessions on that board and it could become my favourite 8.75 setup - regular DLX - Real bold logo with graphic removed 8.75 deck, Thunder T-II 151 trucks, Spitfire Formula Four 54 mm Radial Full wheels rounded off a lot, just my usual everything else really.

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I feel I'm ready to change my Aces to T2s.

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significant madness/inspiration spun out for me.

fiendishly coveting ace af1 inverted hollows, and some very large softer spitfires, bannerot tribute setup.

on the positive side of things: ace turn great and are fun. big soft wheels would open up quite a bit of cruising around, skating for distance, which tbf, would be a more realistic way for me to have some fun on a skateboard (compared to skating infrequently, and trying tons of flip tricks from 25 years ago).

the against argument: i own more than i use. its just some greedy buying shit, trying to feel something nonsense. i’m just going to go to the same
parking lot and try and switchflip it.

my only positive ace pop experiences have been shorter boards with big wheels.

does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s, and/or, more importantly: the skating with very large wheels?

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does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s...

I have some great things to say about AF1s! The most enjoyment I've gotten from them is giving them away!

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does anyone have some good things to say about the af1s...

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I have some great things to say about AF1s! The most enjoyment I've gotten from them is giving them away!

haha, true.
aces gave me this thought, that once i gave up on flip tricks/and eventually ollie’s, they’d be perfect: if it’s just turns, and crazy turns, and and and
then aces would/will be perfect.
i’m not there yet, but it’s close, time is flying by

[swongolianbbq]

Af1s are great with the ace hard bushings, stable on center and crispy sounding but still can really dive when you want them to

I like the stock bushings too but it takes more energy riding "in" the board like that vs riding "on" top of it with a snappier, less gummy feeling bushing, especially for flip tricks

Aces pinch crooked grinds weird for me cause the turn is so deep

Soft wheels are sticky for me on crooked grinds

I've tried the AF1 55/regular radial 93a 58mm combo and it's super fun and I could still do all my shit. Was paired with an 8.5 x 14.25 board. Hard bushings, no risers.

58mm radial fulls are extremely wide

58mm normal radials, and 60mm classics aren't as wide but still wider than the other stuff

I personally wouldn't ride a 58+ wheel on anything smaller than an 8.5" truck

Boserio said they didn't really unlock any spots for him, they just look rad

After watching a lot of footage of people riding big wheels the last couple years, I got it in my head that I wanted to, too.

Now I'm back on 53s

I can just ride my cruiser if I want to just cruise