Gear madness support thread

[tzhangdox]

Aces are not higher than indys. Lurpiv and cast indys are both on the taller side

[bluedohdohs]

I keep forgetting about lurpivs, those are the highest right?

But dang thanks for the correction idk why i always thought my aces classics felt taller than my cast indys

[Hqjdncm]

Indy and lurpiv are the highest at 55mm. Then venture and ace at 53 then thunders.
There’s a truck database doc somewhere on here

[Sedition]

Indy and lurpiv are the highest at 55mm. Then venture and ace at 53 then thunders.
There’s a truck database doc somewhere on here

Cast Indy: 55mm
T-2: 54mm
Slappy: 53.9mm
Forged Indy: 53.5mm
Ace: 53mm
Team Thunder: 52mm

Venture: No idea

Note, Slappy makes risers in 1mm height increments, so you can really fine-tune heights, as needed.

All this said, height is not only considering factor for how a truck works with big wheels—the geometry and turning radius of the hanger (not to mention bushings) also impact wheelbite “clearance.” Hell, even shape of the wheel has impact, too.

[swongolianbbq]

what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks

If I skated like, 60mm radial fulls on my regular setup I'd prolly use ace AF1 hollow 60s or 66s, with 1/8" or 1/4" risers


I think Aces work well for big wheels especially because of their wheelbase being set further in, it mellows out the pop angle a bit which counteracts the added height of the bigger wheels and risers

They also turn like, inward a lot before they wheelbite

[moonordie]

what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks

Don't want to sound like a broken record but the answer is Lurpiv.
55mm tall + their "anti wheelbite technology" works like a charm.

[rikki]

Cast Ventures (with risers if you want to go extra big) work with big wheels as well.

They're 53mm tall, but their turn/geo is the most big wheel-friendly of all trucks. I get a lot more wheelbite on cast Indys as compared to cast Ventures even though the former are 2mm taller.

[Rick Trapasso]

Cast Ventures (with risers if you want to go extra big) work with big wheels as well.

They're 53mm tall, but their turn/geo is the most big wheel-friendly of all trucks. I get a lot more wheelbite on cast Indys as compared to cast Ventures even though the former are 2mm taller.

I believe it, ventures don't turn very deep/sharp.

The big square wheel/ventures setup seems like the go to setup for guys with tiny shirts and big pants.

[Mbrimson88]

what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks

I think as well as given answers, the question of bushings and risers can also play a significant part, so if you were running risers, or harder bushings, you could use almost any truck option.

Some vert guys who would always be on 60+ mm wheels never had risers and usually had trucks cranked down with barely any wheelbite marks on their boards, as one example, but I know you are not going anywhere near a vert ramp, so that might not really be of interest, although showing a combination of big wheels and tight trucks does work for some people.

Wheel wells can also add a lot more depth to a board without having to add risers and go up, but I guess unless you are keen to modify your board, it might also not be such a good option, but that is possibly the best way to retain a lower setup and still have everything work as you need it to.

[Obijuan91]

what trucks work best with huge huge wheels?
please and thanks

Destructo….

[skater0000]

On 8.38 / 14.25 / 32 but currently skating an egg shape my friend gave me that's 8.25 / 14 / 31.75 and it's so fun. Which makes me want to try something like this popsicle 8.0 / 14.125 / 31.75 shape that I can get. But that means I would have to go from my typical 149 hollows to probably 144 hollow since I like a small bit of truck sticking out.

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please and thanks

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Destructo….

you….sick fuck

[Obijuan91]

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please and thanks

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Destructo….

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you….sick fuck

I personally wouldn’t ride em…. But they’re 56mm tall….

[TurdyBird]

Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.

I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.

Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.

Thanks guys!

[moonordie]

Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.

I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.

Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.

Thanks guys!

Eh... 440 V2 high?

[swongolianbbq]

Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.

I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.

Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.

Thanks guys!

Last resort cm002 mid

[Thebird]

Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.

I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.

Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.

Thanks guys!

You tried Japan Pros yet?  Skate great, awesome fit for a wider foot.  Brutal when you land primo though, but that goes for any thin cup.

[bluedohdohs]

Going through a shoe crisis right now. The last few pairs of shoes I've bought have been from depop, with mixed results. I recently blew through my old NB# 440 mids (which I miss very much), and have been struggling trying to find something I like.

I tried skating the Authentic mids and I hated the lacked padding and loose structure of it while skating. Skated the Old Skool Pros yesterday (old pair from depop) and kind of liked them. They might have been a mixed bag because of the old rubber but they were a lil too grippy still for me. I also, liked and hated the board feel of the vulc construction compared to the cupsole 440. I liked having board feel, but hated it because I got so used to the comfort and padding of the 440.

Anyone have any thin cupsole recommendations (mid preferred but welcome to any suggestions)? Would kind of like to try the 1010. Would love a rec thats a model thats regularly on sale due to overproduction (poor colorways). Also, I tend to have a wider foot for shoes lately. Nikes tend to be too narrow in my size and the Old SKool Pros I skated in my size are a tad too narrow as well. Think I might try to the Louie's soon.

Thanks guys!

I think you’d like the Asics Gel Vickys or Cons AS-1

[DarkPools]

@TurdyBird

My recs:

Japan Pro MT - not super narrow, but not super wide (in my opinion - I own 2 pairs: leather & suede) but they feel excellent on foot. Cushioned, but still thin enough to have adequate boardfeel. Collar feels comfy and not over bearing

NB 440V2 Hi - in the right size they should fit well and feel somewhere between thin vulc and thick cup

Es Accel (NOT Accel OG) - slightly narrower than Accel OG but still fits wider feet well. Solid boardfeel, but still protective, while skating as nimble as Dunks do. Accel OG, if the puff isn't too much are solid, also. Accel OG is more wide foot friendly than the Accel

Nike SB Dunk High Pro - if you can find them in your size: love how good these feel while being supportive + solid boardfeel. Wider foot friendly.

Hours is Yours Dilo Pro - like a Dunk High or 440 Hi but more cushioned than 440 but still flexy like a broken in Dunk. I don't own a pair but the HIY thread has folks cosigning them. I tried one on once and felt like I would enjoy them in my preferred size. Not quite narrow,  not quite wide either

Etnies MC Rap Low/High - no longer made by Etnies, but was one of the best Dunk low/high alternatives ever made. Cushioned, flick was consistent, and good insoles in select colorways. Solid shoe that felt supportive but offered plenty of boardfeel. Some are still floating around. They could be a little narrow to some people, though. I think they're an average shape

Emerica OG-1 - swap in a better insole and you have a cushioned, flexible cupsole that skates like a nimble vulc. Flick is excellent. They are like a better Accel in some ways, but also feel like their own shoe. Wider foot friendly

Granted,  if you've tried any of these before and they didn't work, then please ignore! Hope you fix the madness!

[TurdyBird]

You guys are too good to me, thank you! Great breakdown @DarkPools thank you!

[Slave IV]

Just tried out the new to me 151 T-II trucks (thanks again to @Sedition) on my soon to be retired 8.5/14.5 deck coming from Thunder Standard 149. Initial thoughts are I like them a lot and no issues that I can tell yet. Pinch is as good as T-I or at least as good as I need them to feel and wheelbite didn’t happen except a slight scrape when I really tried to dip a corner when testing it. Extra kingpin clearance is also appreciated.

The main thing it helped me answer as far as gear madness is I liked the pop feel from the reduced wheelbase compared to standard Thunders. Part of it might be because the 14.5 wb is the longest I’ve skated in a while and also the razor tail/nose has reduced the kicks significantly but I always had that thought in the back of my head when riding the setup that I’d like to reduce the wheelbase.

The other thing it helped me notice is grinding felt really comfortable to have the extra surface. Mainly being able to adjust and having a larger margin for error when popping into grinds. I’m looking forward to trying them on a different curb that I can front crook to see how that goes since these are also the widest trucks I’ve ridden since the 80s.

I’m going to be riding mostly decks under 8.5” for a while on my main setups so plan is to pick up a wider shaped deck sometime to set these up on and use as a curb and ramp specialty setup.

[Sedition]

Just tried out the new to me 151 T-II trucks (thanks again to @Sedition) on my soon to be retired 8.5/14.5 deck coming from Thunder Standard 149. Initial thoughts are I like them a lot and no issues that I can tell yet. Pinch is as good as T-I or at least as good as I need them to feel and wheelbite didn’t happen except a slight scrape when I really tried to dip a corner when testing it. Extra kingpin clearance is also appreciated.

The main thing it helped me answer as far as gear madness is I liked the pop feel from the reduced wheelbase compared to standard Thunders. Part of it might be because the 14.5 wb is the longest I’ve skated in a while and also the razor tail/nose has reduced the kicks significantly but I always had that thought in the back of my head when riding the setup that I’d like to reduce the wheelbase.

The other thing it helped me notice is grinding felt really comfortable to have the extra surface. Mainly being able to adjust and having a larger margin for error when popping into grinds. I’m looking forward to trying them on a different curb that I can front crook to see how that goes since these are also the widest trucks I’ve ridden since the 80s.

I’m going to be riding mostly decks under 8.5” for a while on my main setups so plan is to pick up a wider shaped deck sometime to set these up on and use as a curb and ramp specialty setup.

Glad they found a good home. Enjoy!

[Sedition]

Last month I did something bold. I made a choice to let go.

By that, I mean that I got rid of / gave away ALL of my madness-related gear. Decks. Trucks. Wheels. Gone. All gone. Yes, there was anxiety at first. But it left, and calmness filled that void.

I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).

My set-up is not is “perfect.” No set-up is. But it is perfect-enough. Perfection does not exist.  Do not let the perfect obfuscate and hinder the good/great. Chasing perfection leads no where...to madness.

One of the biggest, unforeseen benefits of this “clearing” was how much my “madness mind” has itself, cleared. I used to think about assorted gear-configurations a lot—at work, driving, going to bed, while skating, etc. I am sure you know what I am talking about. That has all gone away, and I find myself with a lot more mental bandwidth to think about other, healthier things.

In terms of actual skating, I am way more “in the moment” during sessions. I feel more “at one” with my board than I have in a long time, and I am having a lot more fun in the process. 

I suppose it is like any addiction. You have to make a choice to stop, and then take concrete actions to effectuate that choice, and bring it to reality. It’s a choice, and nothing more. One I am glad I made.

[moonordie]

Last month I did something bold. I made a choice to let go.

By that, I mean that I got rid of / gave away ALL of my madness-related gear. Decks. Trucks. Wheels. Gone. All gone. Yes, there was anxiety at first. But it left, and calmness filled that void.

I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).

Until you really have only one setup madness is not cured

[Sedition]

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Last month I did something bold. I made a choice to let go.

By that, I mean that I got rid of / gave away ALL of my madness-related gear. Decks. Trucks. Wheels. Gone. All gone. Yes, there was anxiety at first. But it left, and calmness filled that void.

I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).

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Until you really have only one setup madness is not cured

Not even close to the same thing. Like comparing a fork for eating with a bandsaw for cutting wood (they are both tools, right? Must be madness if you have both!). I mean, if I start perseverating over wheel size/shape on the Polarizer, then sure, but that's never happened. 

[Mbrimson88]

I have only one set-up now (not including Polarizer and shaped/old-school cruisers).

My set-up is not is “perfect.” No set-up is. But it is perfect-enough. Perfection does not exist.  Do not let the perfect obfuscate and hinder the good/great. Chasing perfection leads no where...to madness.

So what is the chosen setup now? 

Guessing I know, but I would like to hear the breakdown of everything.

[munchbox]

id assume the 8.75 black label survived the purge

[Slave IV]

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Just tried out the new to me 151 T-II trucks (thanks again to @Sedition) on my soon to be retired 8.5/14.5 deck coming from Thunder Standard 149. Initial thoughts are I like them a lot and no issues that I can tell yet. Pinch is as good as T-I or at least as good as I need them to feel and wheelbite didn’t happen except a slight scrape when I really tried to dip a corner when testing it. Extra kingpin clearance is also appreciated.

The main thing it helped me answer as far as gear madness is I liked the pop feel from the reduced wheelbase compared to standard Thunders. Part of it might be because the 14.5 wb is the longest I’ve skated in a while and also the razor tail/nose has reduced the kicks significantly but I always had that thought in the back of my head when riding the setup that I’d like to reduce the wheelbase.

The other thing it helped me notice is grinding felt really comfortable to have the extra surface. Mainly being able to adjust and having a larger margin for error when popping into grinds. I’m looking forward to trying them on a different curb that I can front crook to see how that goes since these are also the widest trucks I’ve ridden since the 80s.

I’m going to be riding mostly decks under 8.5” for a while on my main setups so plan is to pick up a wider shaped deck sometime to set these up on and use as a curb and ramp specialty setup.

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Glad they found a good home. Enjoy!

Thanks! Just had another sesh on them and I definitely like them. So much I don’t want to put the deck down so I just might keep riding the setup until the deck snaps. Before these, I was planning on trying Slappys next time I buy new trucks and still might but that’s going to be a long time from now since I have a lot of truck options at the moment. I think overall, I like the T-II better than my Ace AF1 but will see as I skate that setups more in direct comparison.

I commend you on giving up the madness with just one setup. For me, I’m not so much mad but exploring since this is the first time in my skating life I’ve paid attention to specs and details and how they affect my skating. I’m really enjoying the process and it’s not like I’m buying a bunch of stuff and tossing other parts aside. I’m actively riding everything I get until it falls apart and basically rotating with my old setup to a new setup. I’ve definitely noticed a couple times now the putting shorter wheelbase trucks on an old deck helps give it some extra life.

[Sedition]

@Mbrimson88 and @munchbox

Black Label 8.75/14.5  |  159 Cast  |  53mm Classics

Among all the set-ups I’ve ridden over the last 1.5 years, this was the one I kept coming back to. I’ve basically tried everything from the 9”/15” Orange Eagle down to 8.25”/14”, and I kept returning to that 8.75/14.5 Black Label. Over and over.

It’s been weird, in ways I didn’t expect. I rode the DLX 8.25/14.38 as my mainstay for well over 10 years. Saying goodbye to that was like saying goodbye to a part of myself. But, well, things (people) change and evolve. It hasn’t been easy. I’ve slowly been “letting go” of the 8.25 for well over a year now, too. To whatever end, I am clearly just more comfortable on a bigger board these days, so, it’s time to just lean into/embrace that. But it does feel like I am closing the door on some significant chapter of my life. I never thought the 8.25/14.38 and would part ways, but here we are. Kind of sad in some weird way. I wasn't expecting existential angst to rise-up during this process. Little did I know.   

I gave away all other 8.25 and 8.5 trucks/decks and wheels I had (sent them to non-profit that gives board to kids in need). The bigger decks I left by a local bowl for the bowl trolls to fight over (those decks were too big for kids to ride).

[Mbrimson88]

@Mbrimson88 and @munchbox

Black Label 8.75/14.5  |  159 Cast  |  53mm Classics

Among all the set-ups I’ve ridden over the last 1.5 years, this was the one I kept coming back to. I’ve basically tried everything from the 9”/15” Orange Eagle down to 8.25”/14”, and I kept returning to that 8.75/14.5 Black Label. Over and over.

Nice!!!

I always find it funny (in a good way) that you have always stuck with the 53 mm Classics, even with other options and sizes and everything else in different decks, trucks, etc.

The rest of what you said re 8.25 boards is exactly how I feel about the 8.125 black eagles - had so many and rode them for a long, long time on 139s, then 144s, but then in trying other boards, I just moved on and that shape just feels too small now, even though I have a few of my old setups at the shop / indoor park for people to skate.

As to the new setup, I can definitely see how appealing that is, for the board width, shape and wheelbase and a good solid ride - got a few very similar around and have done for a while now (DLX 8.75 with slightly modified back truck, so I bring the Indy standards in to make the wheelbase between 14.4 - 14.5 and have a slightly longer tail).

The one I am currently riding a bit more than anything though is a DLX 8.75 with stock Thunder T-II 151 trucks and 54 mm wheels (Radial Full, now Classic Full) with a small version of that if I want a little more fun, DLX 8.38 with Thunder T-II 149s and 52 - 53 mm wheels (Classics taken down from 55 or so, with more a Classic Full shape too) and both just work so well, it is nice not having to really do anything to the deck or trucks for a change.

Not sure if I had to choose which one I would go with, as they both are really good, but if it was a "retirement board" I think the 8.75 would be it, over the 8.38 size setup.


* I am seeing / selling more 8.75 decks than any other size now I think, so it is crazy how many people are riding bigger boards - all adults, no kids, but still when the board size was 8.0, then 8.25, then 8.38 or even 8.5, having 8.75 as the most common size I am moving, it is a funny thing to consider in the timeline of skateboard evolution.