It’s very funny if that’s the case because who couldn't see that coming? When he joined Vans, it was pointed out how he basically went to the exact opposite of the kinds of shoes he was making at Emerica. Even when vulc was everything, he’d often have both a vulc and cupsole pro model. To me, it was just silly how quickly he pivoted when he joined Vans and now how quickly he jumped right into the NB model that is the exact opposite of Vans.