Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread

[thehogsniper]

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Emerica on Instagram just announced re-release of the MJ1, what is the verdict on the previous limited release is it good?

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I heard it was ubershit

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What were the shortcomings? Durability/quality, no insole or midsole, weird sizing? Those characteristics apply to some of my favorite shoes to skate (i.e. 440 high).

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I believe what happened is specific aspects of the shoe and it's construction were described to shops in one way and released with major changes. I don't recall what it was exactly (I think it was described as full EVA foam), but as previously said it ruffled a lot of feathers. Retail is in the midst of declining sales across the board, so shops can't afford to make so many mistakes. I hope someone can fill us in more about a few things:
what exactly changed from the pre-release details to the released shoe?
were shops made aware of the changes prior to release and given the option to cancel their pre-order?
how many shops dropped emerica after this?
has any accountability been taken by soletech?

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So basically your just speculating and hope someone who actually knows what they are talking about will confirm your guesses. Pictures of the new “MJ” shoe look pretty good. Obviously you’d have to check it out in person to make any real opinions on it.  I just need Emerica to keep making that slip on.

This exact discussion has already been discussed in prior threads and posts by people with first-hand knowledge, I just couldn't remember/find the previous posts and I didn't want to say something wrong. So instead of saying something incorrect, I was asking someone else who previously posted to chime in to be completely accurate. That wasn't speculation, it's just repeating what someone else said. Personally, I've seen the shoe in-person and it's quality for the money is off.

[dumptruck12]

Everyone compares the new ogs to the original MJ's but has anybody compared them to the ogs from 08ish? Would kinda make more sense if they were remakes of those shoes

So these reissues are the same as the 08ones, not the original ones..

[TreyPhillip]

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Everyone compares the new ogs to the original MJ's but has anybody compared them to the ogs from 08ish? Would kinda make more sense if they were remakes of those shoes

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So these reissues are the same as the 08ones, not the original ones..

You could have been the one to compare them but chose not to?

"The toe cap features triple stitching for extra skate durability, and the foot bed is made of a molded STI foam insole for extra comfort.  While the soles are not vulcanized, they do have a gum out sole for extra grip. Although Marc no longer rides for Emerica, this re-release is slated for early 2009, just in time to cash in on the hype Marc built with his epic 3 song video part in the latest Lakai ‘Fully Flared’ video. Available in sizes 5 – 14."
From https://sneakernews.com/2008/08/08/emerica-originals-marc-johnson-re-release/


So no, they are also worse than the 08/09 version.

[Sk8 Prick]

The new OG1s (I refuse to ever refer to them as MJs as they are an abomination in comparison) are complete and utter worthless trash.

Not tooling them with the P.U. midsole and referencing the 08 reissue instead of the true original MJ from the late 90s was a disservice to skateboarding as a whole and I'm glad emerica is hurting because of it. Everyone at emerica needs to be canned (with a severance package of course, im not heartless) and the brand needs to die. Once they are ready to start taking their position as one of the most important and iconic footwear brands in skateboarding seriously, and start actually investing in their product and designers, then they can come back.

They chose this life. It's their responsibility. I don't care that they are hurting financially. It's their own fault.

@EmericaTM Drop all the f*cking garbage, tasteless SKUs, hire a good designer, ditch the pseudo motorcycle brand aesthetic, ask your team to take a shower for once, and get the hell back in the game already. It's comical at this point.

[Atiba Applebum]

The new OG1s (I refuse to ever refer to them as MJs as they are an abomination in comparison) are complete and utter worthless trash.

Not tooling them with the P.U. midsole and referencing the 08 reissue instead of the true original MJ from the late 90s was a disservice to skateboarding as a whole and I'm glad emerica is hurting because of it. Everyone at emerica needs to be canned (with a severance package of course, im not heartless) and the brand needs to die. Once they are ready to start taking their position as one of the most important and iconic footwear brands in skateboarding seriously, and start actually investing in their product and designers, then they can come back.

They chose this life. It's their responsibility. I don't care that they are hurting financially. It's their own fault.

@EmericaTM Drop all the f*cking garbage, tasteless SKUs, hire a good designer, ditch the pseudo motorcycle brand aesthetic, ask your team to take a shower for once, and get the hell back in the game already. It's comical at this point.

All together : “username checks out”

[Mean salto]

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Everyone compares the new ogs to the original MJ's but has anybody compared them to the ogs from 08ish? Would kinda make more sense if they were remakes of those shoes

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So these reissues are the same as the 08ones, not the original ones..

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You could have been the one to compare them but chose not to?

"The toe cap features triple stitching for extra skate durability, and the foot bed is made of a molded STI foam insole for extra comfort.  While the soles are not vulcanized, they do have a gum out sole for extra grip. Although Marc no longer rides for Emerica, this re-release is slated for early 2009, just in time to cash in on the hype Marc built with his epic 3 song video part in the latest Lakai ‘Fully Flared’ video. Available in sizes 5 – 14."
From https://sneakernews.com/2008/08/08/emerica-originals-marc-johnson-re-release/


So no, they are also worse than the 08/09 version.

Was thinking more compare as far as the quality, suede, shape etc that people have been complaining about. You'd need to have both shoes to do so and I have neither

[SBlover]

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Everyone compares the new ogs to the original MJ's but has anybody compared them to the ogs from 08ish? Would kinda make more sense if they were remakes of those shoes

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So these reissues are the same as the 08ones, not the original ones..

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You could have been the one to compare them but chose not to?

"The toe cap features triple stitching for extra skate durability, and the foot bed is made of a molded STI foam insole for extra comfort.  While the soles are not vulcanized, they do have a gum out sole for extra grip. Although Marc no longer rides for Emerica, this re-release is slated for early 2009, just in time to cash in on the hype Marc built with his epic 3 song video part in the latest Lakai ‘Fully Flared’ video. Available in sizes 5 – 14."
From https://sneakernews.com/2008/08/08/emerica-originals-marc-johnson-re-release/


So no, they are also worse than the 08/09 version.

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Was thinking more compare as far as the quality, suede, shape etc that people have been complaining about. You'd need to have both shoes to do so and I have neither

How much longer until Etnies HO 23 release? I’m ready for some fresh Aurelien colorways.

[TreyPhillip]

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Everyone compares the new ogs to the original MJ's but has anybody compared them to the ogs from 08ish? Would kinda make more sense if they were remakes of those shoes

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So these reissues are the same as the 08ones, not the original ones..

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You could have been the one to compare them but chose not to?

"The toe cap features triple stitching for extra skate durability, and the foot bed is made of a molded STI foam insole for extra comfort.  While the soles are not vulcanized, they do have a gum out sole for extra grip. Although Marc no longer rides for Emerica, this re-release is slated for early 2009, just in time to cash in on the hype Marc built with his epic 3 song video part in the latest Lakai ‘Fully Flared’ video. Available in sizes 5 – 14."
From https://sneakernews.com/2008/08/08/emerica-originals-marc-johnson-re-release/


So no, they are also worse than the 08/09 version.

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Was thinking more compare as far as the quality, suede, shape etc that people have been complaining about. You'd need to have both shoes to do so and I have neither

Ahh that’s fair, I’m just super sour about the midsole thing still. The shape and quality are still way off for the price imo.
Golden Era Collector just did an ES muska video, would be nice if he got a series going comparing reissues to the OG’s and their different iterations.

[moonordie]

The new OG1s (I refuse to ever refer to them as MJs as they are an abomination in comparison) are complete and utter worthless trash.

Not tooling them with the P.U. midsole and referencing the 08 reissue instead of the true original MJ from the late 90s was a disservice to skateboarding as a whole and I'm glad emerica is hurting because of it. Everyone at emerica needs to be canned (with a severance package of course, im not heartless) and the brand needs to die. Once they are ready to start taking their position as one of the most important and iconic footwear brands in skateboarding seriously, and start actually investing in their product and designers, then they can come back.

They chose this life. It's their responsibility. I don't care that they are hurting financially. It's their own fault.

@EmericaTM Drop all the f*cking garbage, tasteless SKUs, hire a good designer, ditch the pseudo motorcycle brand aesthetic, ask your team to take a shower for once, and get the hell back in the game already. It's comical at this point.

Not that many times I agree with so many points. This is one of them.

[dj nipslip]

ask your team to take a shower for once

[pizzafliptofakie]

[FROTHY]

While a lot of the recent reissues hop on a late 90s early 00s puffy/baggy trend, what they also capture is an era when skate shoes were unmistakably, uniquely made for the skateboarding world and not easily integrated into gym outfits, dinner dates, or the office. I think where a lot of the frustration comes from is this apparent situation where skate shoe companies seem to be unequipped to make something skateboarding had for itself 15-25 years ago and didn't compromise to the appeal of the general population. Just saying, these bitter criticisms of any minor shortcoming of a reissue (like no midsole) is probably more of a reaction to a pattern of defeat - a general sense of grief and frustration about the state of skate-centric skate shoes, than about that particular shoe or technical feature.

[dj nipslip]

skate shoes were unmistakably, uniquely made for the skateboarding world and not easily integrated into gym outfits, dinner dates, or the office.

Gotta admit I felt like a moron when wearing my lynx og's to a funeral. I do think we have it pretty good nowadays when it comes to modern shoes. You could easily wear those new emerica jar jar binks shoes to the office. 

I think where a lot of the frustration comes from is this apparent situation where skate shoe companies seem to be unequipped to make something skateboarding had for itself 15-25 years ago and didn't compromise to the appeal of the general population. Just saying, these bitter criticisms of any minor shortcoming of a reissue (like no midsole) is probably more of a reaction to a pattern of defeat - a general sense of grief and frustration about the state of skate-centric skate shoes, than about that particular shoe or technical feature.

Agreed. Not sure if anyone's brought this up already, but has anyone actually tried the new muska shoes? With every reissue no matter the brand, there's always someone who will point out a logo being too small or the tongue being too big, regardless of how spot on the shoe may be. I feel like I haven't seen too many gripes about the muska other than price. Not a big soletech guy so I have nothing to go off of, but I'm curious how it skates.

[PalaceButtPlug]

Gotta admit I felt like a moron when wearing my lynx og's to a funeral.

Na, this makes you a real one.

[Crap]

While a lot of the recent reissues hop on a late 90s early 00s puffy/baggy trend, what they also capture is an era when skate shoes were unmistakably, uniquely made for the skateboarding world and not easily integrated into gym outfits, dinner dates, or the office. I think where a lot of the frustration comes from is this apparent situation where skate shoe companies seem to be unequipped to make something skateboarding had for itself 15-25 years ago and didn't compromise to the appeal of the general population. Just saying, these bitter criticisms of any minor shortcoming of a reissue (like no midsole) is probably more of a reaction to a pattern of defeat - a general sense of grief and frustration about the state of skate-centric skate shoes, than about that particular shoe or technical feature.

I can't speak for anyone else, but a midsole is a particular technical feature that makes or breaks shoes for me. Practically any cupsole with a full length midsole, I will try on at a minimum and will likely buy if it fits me. If it has that egg crate bullshit instead of a midsole, I am not interested whatsoever. Maybe it isn't fair to judge a whole brand on one shoe, but the MJ reissue - a fundamentally flawed shoe that seems to now be collecting dust on the clearance rack of practically every shop that ordered it, and was apparently so bad that shops are mad about it - does not suggest positive things about the current direction of Emerica.

[Madam, I'm Adam]

The new OG1s (I refuse to ever refer to them as MJs as they are an abomination in comparison) are complete and utter worthless trash.

Not tooling them with the P.U. midsole and referencing the 08 reissue instead of the true original MJ from the late 90s was a disservice

I mean I have to agree, sorry Tim. I had the original MJs in the early 00s and they were awesome. I had the first OG1 reissue in the '10s because I was hyped on skating the MJs again, only to be disappointed. That's why I was posting/asking some months back about whether or not this next round of the OG1 was going to be truer to the original or not. It's clearly not. I'd say at this point, it's too late to revert back to *real* MJ design as well. It's a bummer.

Regardless, I found a pair of the Reynolds G6 at a liquidation tent recently and I'm psyched to skate them when the time comes. And I have a pair of Figgy G6s on ice. I still appreciate some of the shoes and care about the brand, it's just been a lot of weird fuckups as of late. 

[Musicaldeath107]

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While a lot of the recent reissues hop on a late 90s early 00s puffy/baggy trend, what they also capture is an era when skate shoes were unmistakably, uniquely made for the skateboarding world and not easily integrated into gym outfits, dinner dates, or the office. I think where a lot of the frustration comes from is this apparent situation where skate shoe companies seem to be unequipped to make something skateboarding had for itself 15-25 years ago and didn't compromise to the appeal of the general population. Just saying, these bitter criticisms of any minor shortcoming of a reissue (like no midsole) is probably more of a reaction to a pattern of defeat - a general sense of grief and frustration about the state of skate-centric skate shoes, than about that particular shoe or technical feature.

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I can't speak for anyone else, but a midsole is a particular technical feature that makes or breaks shoes for me. Practically any cupsole with a full length midsole, I will try on at a minimum and will likely buy if it fits me. If it has that egg crate bullshit instead of a midsole, I am not interested whatsoever. Maybe it isn't fair to judge a whole brand on one shoe, but the MJ reissue - a fundamentally flawed shoe that seems to now be collecting dust on the clearance rack of practically every shop that ordered it, and was apparently so bad that shops are mad about it - does not suggest positive things about the current direction of Emerica.

I feel inclined to agree to this any time I see someone make this point about egg crate midsoles.  I refuse to buy cupsoles that don't have an actual midsole, you're no longer buying a function driven shoe when they are constructed that way.  You're buying something made as cheaply as possible to cash in.

[MOE SYZLAK]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cxa4wNbufi0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Vans should just let Dime take over their marketing department…

[MusclesMarinara]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cxa4wNbufi0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Vans should just let Dime take over their marketing department…

Okay I take back what I said about this collab a couple pages ago. Not only are they true and tasteful to a tee, that was one of the best ads I've seen for any skate related product in awhile.

[PalaceButtPlug]

Scott Kane should have been invited for a cameo

[dj nipslip]

Not a huge vans guy, or a huge dime guy for that matter, but those are SICK! Definitely gonna have to get a pair when they drop, although I'm assuming they'll be over $120.

[MusclesMarinara]

Not a huge vans guy, or a huge dime guy for that matter, but those are SICK! Definitely gonna have to get a pair when they drop, although I'm assuming they'll be over $120.

I'm assuming they'll definitely be up there, but like the Muska's they look pretty 1:1 accurate.

[LebowskisRug]

What is the desire to have shoes that have less functional designs than we can currently buy? Is it just signaling to other older skaters "Hey I had this shoe when I was a kid"

[FROTHY]

What is the desire to have shoes that have less functional designs than we can currently buy? Is it just signaling to other older skaters "Hey I had this shoe when I was a kid"

No
 

[dj nipslip]

What is the desire to have shoes that have less functional designs than we can currently buy? Is it just signaling to other older skaters "Hey I had this shoe when I was a kid"

Because shoes nowadays look exactly the same and lack any sort of character

[Musicaldeath107]

What is the desire to have shoes that have less functional designs than we can currently buy? Is it just signaling to other older skaters "Hey I had this shoe when I was a kid"

Because look at it... it's amazing

[iw0]

What is the desire to have shoes that have less functional designs than we can currently buy? Is it just signaling to other older skaters "Hey I had this shoe when I was a kid"

im going with a combination of nostalgia and varying tastes

[LebowskisRug]

Skateboarding definitely has a big nostalgia factor in marketing that seems higher than many other sports or activities aside from maybe Basketball, where many shoes that are long-term icons tend to remain around.

Are there any notable skate shoe reissues that were as good as or better than the original where there is actually usable functionality? Skate shoes back then were not exactly wonderful in terms of board feel, durability, or tech.

[dj nipslip]

Skateboarding definitely has a big nostalgia factor in marketing that seems higher than many other sports or activities aside from maybe Basketball, where many shoes that are long-term icons tend to remain around.

Are there any notable skate shoe reissues that were as good as or better than the original where there is actually usable functionality? Skate shoes back then were not exactly wonderful in terms of board feel, durability, or tech.

Honestly, i get what you are saying. Skate shoes back then were bricks. One could argue that durability was better because of the shoes simply having more material, but this depends on the years of shoes we're discussing. When bulk died and vulc was the new thing, not only were the shoes shitty but also mass produced due to one osiris d3 having the same amount of material as about 4 vans old skools. However, if we're talking "new technology" and functionality, then for me its style over skill. The day I get caught wearing sht like this:

Is the day I've sold my soul in skating

[Musicaldeath107]

Skateboarding definitely has a big nostalgia factor in marketing that seems higher than many other sports or activities aside from maybe Basketball, where many shoes that are long-term icons tend to remain around.

Are there any notable skate shoe reissues that were as good as or better than the original where there is actually usable functionality? Skate shoes back then were not exactly wonderful in terms of board feel, durability, or tech.

The ES Scheme re-issue despite some slight changes to the sole were a huge step up in quality from back in the day.  I didn't skate them but I've had them as chillers and they look barely worn after a few years.

The Kalis OG re-issue I skated a few years back was an absolute tank, and the quality of the suede was much higher now compared to back in the day.