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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4020 on: May 03, 2021, 10:01:08 AM »


Hereís the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.

Turn seems even better than classics. I do get wheelbite much more easily though.

Got a set of 55s and 66s now and I do like the them but I am worried they made the pivot cups even worse instead of making them better. I donít mind a busted pivot cup bushing as long as it works and doesnít end up fucking up the baseplate. It does seem like there might be an issue here though and I hope they have a fix for it.

Not sure what to do with my AF1 55s and 66s now as I kinda bought them to test them out and the idea was to skate all my classics down first and only after that move to the AF1s. But if these are defective, I donít think theyíd respect a warranty claim 3 years from now. 🤔

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4021 on: May 03, 2021, 10:06:38 AM »
Not a good look for a $65 truck...

Is this a common thing with the AF1s at this point?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4022 on: May 03, 2021, 10:29:27 AM »
Not a good look for a $65 truck...

Is this a common thing with the AF1s at this point?

I checked both of mine and not seeing it yet, but yeah, definitely not rad.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4023 on: May 03, 2021, 10:30:59 AM »
Been delaying setting mine up but I think I better get it out the way just see how mine hold up.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4024 on: May 03, 2021, 11:07:03 AM »
After a week of skating a pair of AF1 55s, I had some  major clicking just by pressing my axles lightly with my hand but it disappeared quickly after more skating. So far everything is going well anf they're feeling a bit more firm.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4025 on: May 03, 2021, 11:16:09 AM »
Everyone is going to be examining their pivot cups with microscopes the next week. Myself included.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4026 on: May 03, 2021, 11:22:55 AM »
Been skating Ace for 7 years now. I usually skate one pair a year or until they break.

Got the new 44 AF1s about 2 weeks ago and the metal is noticeably harder. Previous model had a softer and smoother grind and these new ones grind harder... more like Ventures. The turn is the just the same but the stock bushings are better. Usually swapped the old ones for bones hards but not anymore. Hoping the axles will hold up to the impacts, so far they are perfect.

I think this new model will grab even more of the market because the reasons not to ride Ace are dwindling

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4027 on: May 03, 2021, 11:24:45 AM »
Just to keep pals in the loop. I just received an email about my pivot cups. The person was very polite and is sending replacement pivot cups. I sent a second warranty form not long ago before getting the response from ace  about the weird notch in the pivot cup cavity.

I hope the cavity having that notch isnít what caused the pivot cup to bust so, fingers crossed the cavity is a non issue.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4028 on: May 03, 2021, 11:33:41 AM »
My first set of aces which was like 5/6 years ago **obliterated** both pivot cups in less than 1 month. They went from amazing carve to turning like shit. And this comes from someone that never had any problems with pivot cups before (or after). I would expected them to have fixed this issue by this point.  ::) letís see how the pivot cups hold up on my 77ís but doesnít sound too promising from whatís been posted.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4029 on: May 04, 2021, 12:45:31 AM »
Tactics has the AF1s for $63-$66 now. Congrats everyone that got them for $50 lol

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4030 on: May 04, 2021, 01:57:15 AM »
still no email from ace. thunders have been treating me good enough tho so i guess itís not a total bust. might try again with warranty in the afternoon

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4031 on: May 04, 2021, 05:01:21 AM »
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Not sure if it was mentioned as I was just skimming through the topic

but I saw a few folks mention price, so just throwing out there that tactics has them for around 50 as opposed to 65

cant wait for mine to come in, thinking the slightly longer wheelbase may be good for me. I love how aces turn but my flip tricks have been hit or miss for a while

could be my head too tho

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Yeah tactics def has for the lowest. Want to try em bad, only qualm is that theyíre 51mm high? Coming from Indyís (55mm) thatís a steep jump, especially considering Iíve been downsizing my wheels.
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Iím pretty sure theyíre a little higher than 51. I think closer to a true 53 based on a video I saw on YouTube
While Iím too lazy to measure Iím running mine with 56mm wheels and havenít died so it has to be taller hah

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4032 on: May 04, 2021, 08:15:54 AM »
After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition.  Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.

Street - not so much.  I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak.  Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.

I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail.  The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.

Not a quiver buster truck.  I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.

It may help, if you put your backfoot more towards the bolts. I cant skate some trucks/decks with my foot on the tip.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4033 on: May 04, 2021, 11:45:20 AM »
Both Tensor and ML use hard as fuck plastic for their pivot cups, yet I've never cracked them (they do end up worn like every other cup, with lots of hotdog in a hallway wiggle room); they are always a higher quality than say the stock thunders or old stock indy.

How hard is it to get this right? It's either the geo fucking up the cups or shitty 'hand poured' cups are shit...Only time will tell how fast the AF1s start shredding through non-ACE cups...

My AF1s are still untouched; got injured (off the board) and I'm out for another week at min.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4034 on: May 04, 2021, 04:40:22 PM »
Tactics has the AF1s for $63-$66 now. Congrats everyone that got them for $50 lol

wow, got em just in time

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4035 on: May 04, 2021, 10:39:22 PM »
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After a couple weeks on my AF 55s set up on 3 different decks I still really dig them in transition.  Super carvy, I feel very in control, and they grind well.

Street - not so much.  I just can't get a decent ollie with them. I have lost about 8 inches off my max ollie height and my flips are weak.  Depending on the setup I usually skate Indy Ti, or I have Thunder Ti sometimes. Occasionally Mini Logo. Maybe I'm just more used to those than the Ace.

I keep trying different decks to see if I can come up with a setup that works, but to no avail.  The best ollie so far was on a Santa Cruz 8.38 with a steep tail and 14.5 wheelbase - but with that length wheelbase and heavy trucks I am not feeling great about the rotation.

Not a quiver buster truck.  I'll be skating them in transition and probably will keep skating Indy, Thunder or Mini Logo elsewhere.
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It may help, if you put your backfoot more towards the bolts. I cant skate some trucks/decks with my foot on the tip.

Agreed- and that was already moving it in.  I skate all my mellow setups that way and more towards the edge on steep ones.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4036 on: May 05, 2021, 01:24:17 PM »
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4037 on: May 05, 2021, 01:42:02 PM »
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?

Never used this on a kingpin but have had to use them in a similar situation you're describing (think it was for something on a buddies dirtbike?), Anyway, split die, you place it underneath the damaged threads, then attach the wrench to start chasing the threads. Obviously you wont get a full thread near the damage point, but it'll catch, just have to be a bit more deliberate when fastening the nut.
https://www.threadtoolsupply.com/murray-tools-split-die-thread-repair-1-14.html

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4038 on: May 05, 2021, 02:04:53 PM »


Hereís the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4039 on: May 05, 2021, 02:35:14 PM »
So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?

Yeah, I don't really get the point of the re-threading tool. If it's significantly damaged and you can only access it from one side, you will typically need split-rethreading tool. The included tool is better than nothing, but handing skaters a thread chasing tool with no cutting oil, no lever, and presumably no experience operating such a tool just means you're going to end up with a lot of cross-threaded (and still equally useless) axles.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4040 on: May 05, 2021, 02:36:41 PM »
I would be very interested to see how the pivot cups failed. When you guys get your replacements, if you could post some decent quality photos of the destroyed ones, I would appreciate it.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4041 on: May 05, 2021, 06:52:28 PM »
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So...
Maybe some of the heads who have experience machining metals can address this.
Regarding the aftermarket kingpin re-threader that can be purchased as part of a set, along w/ the axle re-threading die: after a kingpin has been ground down a bit & the top is shaved into a wedge, can you even employ/utilize the re-threader in that situation? If the die can only "catch" the edge of the thread that is highest/closest to the axle, will it be able to chase the threads?
I get that a mushroomed off axle-end can be touched with a file & the chased, but the kingpins get scraped down at a bit of an angle, comparatively.
Anybody have any knowledge 'bout that? Maybe wanna share?
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Yeah, I don't really get the point of the re-threading tool. If it's significantly damaged and you can only access it from one side, you will typically need split-rethreading tool. The included tool is better than nothing, but handing skaters a thread chasing tool with no cutting oil, no lever, and presumably no experience operating such a tool just means you're going to end up with a lot of cross-threaded (and still equally useless) axles.

I ate shit recently due to my front hanger falling off during a manual with a speed check (oddly enough I had just adjusted one truck and then went to check the other...and due to riding a TT I didn't even think to check 'to check' I was checking the same truck...which I did)...kingping went straight into the sidewalk and got fucked; having picked up the ACE tool for this reason, I can it works fine but I don't think it's going to do anything the scenario mentioned, that's just new kingpin/Bplate/truck time.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4042 on: May 05, 2021, 10:50:54 PM »
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Hereís the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
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I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stock ones as well as riptides break on me in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4043 on: May 06, 2021, 04:31:26 AM »
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Hereís the pivot cup on the front truck of my AF1 66s I bought yesterday after about two hours of mellow slappies. Pivot cup at the back truck had squirted out quite a blob of black grease. Also the back truck started clicking at some point but it seemed to mellow out a bit as I skated more.
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I had the exact same thing happen, bought some 55s and the front trucks pivot cup basically split in half instantly after one stair sesh, and the back one looks like there is grease coming out of it. My front truck was also making a loud clicking sound anytime I turned, but seems to be getting better. Emailed Ace this morning and they are sending replacement pivot cups, so I will see how that goes. Had two pairs of classics in the past and never had any issues.
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it very well could be the actual seat the cup is in as well. i had my regular stick ones as well as riptides break on my in a very short amount of time. I would recommend trying to just get new base plates.

Iím thinking itís something with where the pivot cup sits or the geo. Because how weird is it that at this point everyoneís pivot cup that busted  (mine included ) is all just the front truck. Like we all just got one bad pivot in our set of trucks and all just so happen to use the bad one as the front? Or thereís an issue with the geo and pressure on the front truck we all are doing that busts the pivot. 

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4044 on: May 06, 2021, 09:26:03 AM »
Iím thinking itís something with where the pivot cup sits or the geo. Because how weird is it that at this point everyoneís pivot cup that busted  (mine included ) is all just the front truck. Like we all just got one bad pivot in our set of trucks and all just so happen to use the bad one as the front? Or thereís an issue with the geo and pressure on the front truck we all are doing that busts the pivot.
more stress is incurred on the front truck during steering than the back. if you were to skate your board backwards, the other pivot cup would soon go bye-bye as well
it's got to be a geometry issue, though. one that i was hoping they'd fix in the af1's. am big disappoint :'(
why, ace?
WHY?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4045 on: May 06, 2021, 09:40:21 AM »
The price of  'the turn.'

I never had pivot cups prematurely blow out in the classics.

But when I have worn out pivot cups in any truck, I kind of like that fucked up, loose rattle.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4046 on: May 06, 2021, 10:40:28 AM »
The price of  'the turn.'

Agree on that...but while pivot cup costs are nothing cost-wise to keep replacing to get 'the turn' they shouldn't be blowing out in the first week (depending on how much you skate) and certainly not the first few fucking sessions.

If they were prototyping with pros/pilots don't you think it would have cropped up once or twice?

Fucking pivotgate.



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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4047 on: May 06, 2021, 11:29:27 AM »
So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4048 on: May 06, 2021, 02:30:36 PM »
has me thinking about the potential for a well designed dual-durometer pivot cup with some kind of hard plastic reinforcement, you'd have to do it right though because I imagine that a more complicated design like that could introduce new pathways for failure

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #4049 on: May 06, 2021, 03:11:30 PM »
So what I am hearing is that maybe Independent Trucks had a reason to move away from their Stage III geometry and to decide not to reintroduce it at the Tershy's request?

Wouldn't the slight WB extension plant them firmly in Stage 7/8 territory? My 8's sit right between Classics and Stage 11's as far as WB goes. And I never remember the pivot cups blowing out back then (only the axles slipping like it was a selling point).