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i wish ace had visual indicators on their bushings. sometimes i get lazy feeling shit out when i’m juggling hards and stocks

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IIRC the stocks are slightly more yellow white and hards more white. But the difference is very minimal.

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That's likely due to the age of the bushings not the duro.

Could be. But I have a new set of Classics and some older Af1s. Classics stocks definitely have more yellow tone and the older hard bushings are more white. My Af1 stocks are not as white as the hards.

[DERBY]

nah they’re both white for me

[back smith]

How do you guys feel about AF1 77's on a 10" board (like actually 10" at the bolts) with 56mm wheels no risers?

[frank1175]

Coming out next year:









Clearance looks pretty crazy, looks like it's sitting well below the axle.
It mentions a sleeve system. I wonder if they figured out how to eliminate kingpin wiggle and keeping the kingpin from backing out over time.
You'll be able to buy inverted sets (44 & 55 only), or baseplates and bushings to convert your existing AF1s to inverted.

This looks awesome! Now I understand why it took them so long 😅 Really looking forward to these.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

How do you guys feel about AF1 77's on a 10" board (like actually 10" at the bolts) with 56mm wheels no risers?

Big, if true...

[Existential Pie Sitch]

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Coming out next year:









Clearance looks pretty crazy, looks like it's sitting well below the axle.
It mentions a sleeve system. I wonder if they figured out how to eliminate kingpin wiggle and keeping the kingpin from backing out over time.
You'll be able to buy inverted sets (44 & 55 only), or baseplates and bushings to convert your existing AF1s to inverted.

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This looks awesome! Now I understand why it took them so long 😅 Really looking forward to these.

I wonder if the axle height is the same

[Rick Trapasso]

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Coming out next year:









Clearance looks pretty crazy, looks like it's sitting well below the axle.
It mentions a sleeve system. I wonder if they figured out how to eliminate kingpin wiggle and keeping the kingpin from backing out over time.
You'll be able to buy inverted sets (44 & 55 only), or baseplates and bushings to convert your existing AF1s to inverted.

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This looks awesome! Now I understand why it took them so long 😅 Really looking forward to these.

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I wonder if the axle height is the same

Can't see why it would change based on the info they gave us.

Doubt it changes, but maybe.

[back smith]

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How do you guys feel about AF1 77's on a 10" board (like actually 10" at the bolts) with 56mm wheels no risers?

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Big, if true...

Trucks are on the small side for the deck actually.

[Meathook]

I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

[logjammin]

I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

Yep. Pivot cups in the AF1's are absolute gummy trash. Been back on indys (stage 4) all year and never going back to Ace's. I've broken plenty of classics baseplates on the side of the pivot cavity from slappies, too. They're a great looking truck with a great turn but they have repeatedly failed me and not been able to handle the abuse.

The pivot cups that come stock with Indys nowadays are fucking indestructible I love them. I wish I could order a bag of them but I guess I don't even need to because they refuse to dent, rip, or crack.

[moonordie]

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I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

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Yep. Pivot cups in the AF1's are absolute gummy trash. Been back on indys (stage 4) all year and never going back to Ace's. I've broken plenty of classics baseplates on the side of the pivot cavity from slappies, too. They're a great looking truck with a great turn but they have repeatedly failed me and not been able to handle the abuse.

The pivot cups that come stock with Indys nowadays are fucking indestructible I love them. I wish I could order a bag of them but I guess I don't even need to because they refuse to dent, rip, or crack.

Never had any issues with AF1, maybe I had that clicking sound for like 1 week if. Other than that all good.

[Too Frank To Fred]

Same. AF1s have been solid for me since they came out. I've had 4 sets in rotation, the pivot cups are fine in all of them and I do a lot of slappies with loose trucks. I thought Stage 4s would be my ideal trucks but still prefer both Classic and AF1 Aces. I've also had a little bit of kingpin play in nearly every truck from Thunder to Indy to Ace. Doesn't bother be and has never caused a problem.

Goes to show, ultimately you can only rely on your own experience with truck madness.

[back smith]

Stock Classic on the left stock AF1 on the right. Both look pretty white to me.

Maybe I should get those hards. Seems like I need to crank these trucks, three threads out.

[Murge]

I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

Came to this thread to convince my self I should give ace another chance after getting AF1s and the machined bore  for the pivot cup was egged and destroyed the pivot cups over and over again. And after reading your comment I realized ace quality is likely still garbage and I’ll stick with the Indy’s I just switched back to from venture.

[Meathook]

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I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

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Came to this thread to convince my self I should give ace another chance after getting AF1s and the machined bore  for the pivot cup was egged and destroyed the pivot cups over and over again. And after reading your comment I realized ace quality is likely still garbage and I’ll stick with the Indy’s I just switched back to from venture.

Seems like plenty of people in this thread/the real world run Aces with no problems.  I wish I was so lucky, they’re really fun trucks but QC has been an issue for me.  I would still put some classics on a cruiser, no doubt.

[Too Frank To Fred]

Yeah, I've taken several pairs of Ace to axle and never once had a pivot cup blowout. Skated multiple sets of Classics and AF1s and did have one axle bend but that's it. A little Kingpin wobble happens to me with Indy, Thunder and Ace also.

I love the Ace turn so much, I'd put up with a few QC concerns but its never been an issue for me thankfully.

[bombsaway86]

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I just noticed my front kingpin is pretty loose on some < month old AF1s.  This is also a replacement baseplate because the original pivot area deformed when I ripped the pivot cup in 10 minutes.

Officially done with AF1s forever.  Too many problems.  I’m back to Indy forged for now.  I’ll skate the classics if I ever want to switch back, I never once had a problem with 5+ pairs.

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Came to this thread to convince my self I should give ace another chance after getting AF1s and the machined bore  for the pivot cup was egged and destroyed the pivot cups over and over again. And after reading your comment I realized ace quality is likely still garbage and I’ll stick with the Indy’s I just switched back to from venture.

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Seems like plenty of people in this thread/the real world run Aces with no problems.  I wish I was so lucky, they’re really fun trucks but QC has been an issue for me.  I would still put some classics on a cruiser, no doubt.

I’ve had several pairs of classics and AF1s with QC issues that forced me to retire them after about a year. HOWEVER, I’ve had my current set of AF1s for almost two years now and they are still going strong. The back one is ground almost to the axle, but the bushings and pivot cups are still original and no kingpin rattle. The only issue I’ve had with this set are the garbage axle nuts coming loose.

I used to go back and forth between Indy and Ace because I preferred the Indy grind and the Ace turn. My current set of AF1s grind better than the stage 11 Indy’s on my other setup, so I’m all in on Ace now

[swongolianbbq]

The only problems I ever had with aces(I've only ever skated the AF1, so I can't speak on the classics) are:

The top washer would absolutely eat up my top bushings, and I swapped them for bones flat washers.

The fancy re-threader axle nuts don't stay tight, and I think they might ruin your axle threading after a while actually, so I swapped them for normal axle nuts. I own and use the separate re-threader if I need it.

They should come with three washers per wheel. I had to add a washer to the inside. The extra axle length is probably a feature, not a bug, but they should include the extra washer per wheel imo. Maybe it works better with the stock axle nuts, or super wide wheels, but I hate having the axle stick out a bunch past the nut... And I like some rattle too, I don't crank my wheels down all the way, or use spacers or anything like that.

Once I sawed off 1/16" from each end of the axles so I could run an old pair of AF1 55's on an 8" deck, with no washer inside and one washer outside. That was my peak madness.

Other than that I really enjoyed them. I switched to the hard bushings and ran them nut flush/little bit of thread coming out, just enough to feel secure, and they still turned just as great, but were a lot more stable on center and felt more poppy/energetic

Recently switched back to indys and just left them how they came cause I just don't care anymore. They don't turn as deep as aces. They're stable, but a little less lively/snappy. It's comfortable and familiar. Aces are badass, I just wish you could just slap em on your board and go, without having to tinker and sink more time and money into it.

[GrapeApeAffe]

The only problems I ever had with aces(I've only ever skated the AF1, so I can't speak on the classics) are:

The fancy re-threader axle nuts don't stay tight, and I think they might ruin your axle threading after a while actually, so I swapped them for normal axle nuts. I own and use the separate re-threader if I need it.

They should come with three washers per wheel. I had to add a washer to the inside. The extra axle length is probably a feature, not a bug, but they should include the extra washer per wheel imo. Maybe it works better with the stock axle nuts, or super wide wheels, but I hate having the axle stick out a bunch past the nut... And I like some rattle too, I don't crank my wheels down all the way, or use spacers or anything like that.

Yep I didn’t like those nuts, they kept loosening on their own.   
I did the same and replaced them with Indy and hardware store nuts. 
I still have them in a baggie so I measured.  The AF1 nuts are 6.9mm thick while standard Indy nuts are 6.4mm.  So almost a washer bigger. 

[swongolianbbq]

Yep I didn’t like those nuts, they kept loosening on their own.   
I did the same and replaced them with Indy and hardware store nuts. 
I still have them in a baggie so I measured.  The AF1 nuts are 6.9mm thick while standard Indy nuts are 6.4mm.  So almost a washer bigger.

Well that explains it!

[Murge]

What’s the deal with the spanky trucks ? It says like “new AF1 features, making for the lightest and strongest AF1 ever made” so did they  make it lighter and stronger than the normal hollow or even the deedz hollow? Like the deedz hollow says it comes with an extra washer but with the soanky one it says it’s stronger and lighter but the way it’s phrased makes me think different structurally. I’m itching for ace even though I swore it off. How’s the QA been in hollows ? I found the deedz hollows cheaper than the spanky ones and I’m wondering what’s the difference?

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What’s the deal with the spanky trucks ? It says like “new AF1 features, making for the lightest and strongest AF1 ever made” so did they  make it lighter and stronger than the normal hollow or even the deedz hollow? Like the deedz hollow says it comes with an extra washer but with the soanky one it says it’s stronger and lighter but the way it’s phrased makes me think different structurally. I’m itching for ace even though I swore it off. How’s the QA been in hollows ? I found the deedz hollows cheaper than the spanky ones and I’m wondering what’s the difference?

I dont think they're made of different components/materials etc. It's the same truck imo. At least their product info lists the same info on hangers/axles etc except being hollow or solid.

[myfeetarekillingme]

I don’t understand how the AF1 retheading nuts have passed QC and are still shipping on AF1s despite what must surely be surely tons of negative feedback about them. When I had AF1s, mine immediately loosened and I almost lost a wheel so I had to swap to regular axle nuts.

Anyway I’m skating some 33 classics now and have had zero complaints, great trucks and I prefer them to AF1s

[Mongo Lloyd]

I only ever experienced pivot cup blowouts on classics.

I use to replace the stock cups with khiro’s.

Any company that is using the harder more plastic like feeling urethane for cups is going to have issues.

[BeachChicken]

Indy pivot cups are super hard and have never blown out on me.

[myfeetarekillingme]

I haven’t had a pivot cup blowout on the classics but I also pack my pivot cups with wax shavings whenever I set up a new pair of trucks, mostly to free up the turn but maybe that also has the effect of reducing wear and tear on the cups and making a blowout less likely

[smellsdead]

damn im glad i pop in this thread every now and then

had some pretty beat axle nuts on my classic 55s (no issues with classics for the past 5+ years) so i swapped for some af1 nuts thinking oh these will chase the threads ill be all good

ill be damned if im not finger tightening these things all the fuckin time

crazy hazardous

[Bongwater Mojito]

damn im glad i pop in this thread every now and then

had some pretty beat axle nuts on my classic 55s (no issues with classics for the past 5+ years) so i swapped for some af1 nuts thinking oh these will chase the threads ill be all good

ill be damned if im not finger tightening these things all the fuckin time

crazy hazardous

I also learned from this topic that the self-threading AF1 axel nuts have higher profile, hence the axle is bit longer. This explains why I had to put in extra washers when I swapped them out.

I'm pretty sure those AF1 nuts are even more risky in Classic axles as the nylock might not contact axle properly because of "longer" nut and shorter axle.

[back smith]

How about putting some Loctite in there?

[Bongwater Mojito]

How about putting some Loctite in there?

Or just clearing the threads with the Ace special nut, then using good ole time tested classic nuts.