Ace trucks

[bbk]

I'm pretty sure they were on 2 when they did the 3/8 special...

[SirPizzaSlayer]

I wanna get aces because stranger rides them. Easy bargain.

[moonordie]

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V1: they came with 1 axle washer instead of the classic 2
V2: now with 2 washers but these have a huge nut
V3 (current ones): 2 washers and normal sized nuts.
At the end of 2019 I hear they're coming with V4, supposedly they are going to change their sizing and a 8.5 axle truck would be available.
Hope it helps.

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Are you sure?

I have the first version of 66's and they came with two axle washers. I had the Ace customer service confirm that my trucks are the first version of Aces. This was established by the fact that my trucks have matte black finish, the smaller axle nuts (the same size as you usually have on your mounting hardware, 3/8" or something) and two axle washers.

What is this huge nut on the V2's you are talking about? The kingpin nut?

They should print date or something to the trucks to save us the trouble of findng this stuff out ourselves.

I found that info on this same thread, can't remember the page

[Diocletian]

V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.

[B0udoir]

Do they have totally eliminated the "rocker"? My 55s are almost new and the axles have a slightly curvature. It is quite imperceptible, but it is still there.

[Xen]

Do they have totally eliminated the "rocker"? My 55s are almost new and the axles have a slightly curvature. It is quite imperceptible, but it is still there.

The rocker shape is still present from what I can see, it's just significantly less (ML has it, Thunder has it) it's just really subtle and different per manufacturer where the taper starts.

It's the extra metal/meat on the hanger that's gone - that made the rocker look more pronounced leading people to think they were bent (even tho most were lol).

[B0udoir]

Ok thanks.
But actually I think the axle is also bent for both trucks. I have F4 conical fulls, and if I force a wheel to be totally horizontal on the floor, it will lift the opposite wheel by a few mms. This means that if I ride straight, I'm not rolling on the full contact surface, just on about 1/3 of the wheel. However, if I take a deep turn, because both trucks turn inward, it will put both wheels on their full contact surface. I guess it's a technique on big trucks to give more stability when carving? Or is it totally random?

[Powerlesspillars]

No

[WorkClothscape]

Ok thanks.
But actually I think the axle is also bent for both trucks. I have F4 conical fulls, and if I force a wheel to be totally horizontal on the floor, it will lift the opposite wheel by a few mms. This means that if I ride straight, I'm not rolling on the full contact surface, just on about 1/3 of the wheel. However, if I take a deep turn, because both trucks turn inward, it will put both wheels on their full contact surface. I guess it's a technique on big trucks to give more stability when carving? Or is it totally random?

Are your wheels brand new? If not, they usually wear out faster at the outer edges. So if the riding surface is level with the floor, the rest of the wheel is not totally horizontal forcing the other side of the truck up.

[B0udoir]

Yep they were new, that's why I was puzzled with this axle bending.

[moonordie]

V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.

I guess these are V3 right?

[Jud Nestorkins]

I just ordered a Zip Zinger from Tactics (one of my favorite shapes ever even for a non cruiser) with Ace 22s and some Krux bushings as I remember everyone raving about that combo but now I’ve read the thread more and everyone is saying that now  Ace bushings are better than Krux and the old stock.

I know I don’t have it yet but should I run the Krux or the Aces?

[moonordie]

I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.

[Jud Nestorkins]

I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.

Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?

[moonordie]

I don't think so, is always good to have spare bushings just in case. Specially if you need specific ones like on Ace case.

[Beeker]

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I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.

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Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?

You probably did. Krux bushings were only a thing for the previous versions because they are slightly smaller (especially the top) and would allow for looser setup at same nut position. The new Ace bushings are softer so you get a better/looser turn right off the bat, but if you want that wobble that smaller bushings can give then maybe try the Krux. I would just use the Krux top and still Ace bottom though.

The new Ace bushings also have a better urethane formula (less plasticky) than most bushings of the same duro. Only thing close in my opinion is the Thunder 90a. I have tried the Ace bottom bushings in all my trucks (krux, thunder, tensor) and it has been a better feel every time.

[Dustwardprez]

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V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.

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I guess these are V3 right?

Yes it looks like it because of the flat hanger

[backinaction]

I know I don’t have it yet but should I run the Krux or the Aces?

I had read those things as well.  I bought some Krux trucks and the bottom bushings blew off the boardside washer before I left the garage leaving the deck sitting at an angle.  I re-seated it and it happened again.  Same thing happened when I bought Ace 66s.  Didn't happen with Indy, Thunder, Mini Logo or Royal.   I gave away the Krux truckx because they turn for shit and am running Mini Logo medium bushings in the Ace because that's what I had in the garage and they don't blow out.

[Jud Nestorkins]

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I have my 44 and 55 with stock bushings and they're awesome.

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Fuck did I just waste $5 on some Krux bushings lol?

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You probably did. Krux bushings were only a thing for the previous versions because they are slightly smaller (especially the top) and would allow for looser setup at same nut position. The new Ace bushings are softer so you get a better/looser turn right off the bat, but if you want that wobble that smaller bushings can give then maybe try the Krux. I would just use the Krux top and still Ace bottom though.

The new Ace bushings also have a better urethane formula (less plasticky) than most bushings of the same duro. Only thing close in my opinion is the Thunder 90a. I have tried the Ace bottom bushings in all my trucks (krux, thunder, tensor) and it has been a better feel every time.

Thanks. I probably won’t use the Krux since I like loose but without wobble.

[I AM]

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V1- super slim looking hanger with the “rocker” (curve). Amount of axle washers is irrelevant.

V2- beefed up hanger (44-66), still had the “rocker”, super hard bushings, normal axle nuts.

V2.5- same but with the “.38 specials” axle nuts stock.

V3- beefed up hanger (33-66), normal axle nuts, higher quality/softer stock bushings, eliminated “rocker”.

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I guess these are V3 right?

nope those are v2. the hanger shape on v3 is more angular/bulky.
v3 hanger

[I AM]

from top to bottom, v1,v2,v3. the difference between v1 and v2 is the v shape on the hanger being wider, and the hangers being thicker overall. v2.5s are v2s with smaller nuts. v3s have a subtly beefier and more angular v shape on the hanger, and are thicker overall compared to v2s. the pivot cup is bigger and softer. v3s also have softer bushings. sizes below 44 and the low models look basically the same from v1 to v3. maybe they're a bit thicker now? don't know. v3s have softer bushings and bigger pivot cups regardless.
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v2

v3

[Jud Nestorkins]

So Ace says only the 44/55/66 got an overhaul so I’m guess the 22s I have still have the old design/rock hard bushings?

Maybe it was good I got the Krux bushings then.

[Jud Nestorkins]

Got the aces and they appear to have the new bushings and you guys were right. They are some of the highest quality bushings on the market and even right away these aces turn like a dream. As quick as a thunder but with actual stability.

[B0udoir]

Maybe it's me getting used to loose trucks, but I have the feeling that these bushings get harder over time.

[tangar]

They definitely get more firm/stable after a sesh or two. I think I cranked mine a 1/4 turn after stock and they were fine. Not wobbly or too loose at all. My copper ones are tilted to one side tho even after a bunch of sessions. I spun the bushings around trying to fix it so hopefully that will help.

[moonordie]

Maybe it's me getting used to loose trucks, but I have the feeling that these bushings get harder over time.

I share that feeling

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables

[Krooked antihero]

They definitely get more firm/stable after a sesh or two. I think I cranked mine a 1/4 turn after stock and they were fine. Not wobbly or too loose at all. My copper ones are tilted to one side tho even after a bunch of sessions. I spun the bushings around trying to fix it so hopefully that will help.

When I’m breaking new trucks in I always swap them front to back and vice versa after few sessions, to avoid that tilting. If you want to do it without mounting ur trucks of remember to swap pivot cups with bushings too.

[schralp pal]

Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables

Just switched to ace (about a month ago) after 5 years on thunder and this is my experience, I didn’t touch the kingpin nut and within 2-3 sessions they felt perfect. It was like I was denying myself flow and elongating my WB for no reason with thunders.

[Dad you're embarrassing me]

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Yeah, they harden up over 2-3 sessions.
I’ve been really lucky with the last two pairs of trucks I’ve bought; I took slap’s advice, didn’t touch them until they were broken in and now I can just run them stock without having to worry about 76 different variables

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Just switched to ace (about a month ago) after 5 years on thunder and this is my experience, I didn’t touch the kingpin nut and within 2-3 sessions they felt perfect. It was like I was denying myself flow and elongating my WB for no reason with thunders.

That’s the one thing that got me when I changed from Thunders to Ace: the wheelbase.
 I suddenly went from being able to pick any 8.5 off the wall to only being able to skate a 14.75 wb, to replicate the long wheelbase to which Thunders had me accustomed.