Spitfire formula four

[mj23]

Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better” 

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.

[RichardBarkley]

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Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better” 

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.

Agreed

From TnT post though it seems like these are gonna be classic though?

[JANUS]

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Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.

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What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.

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Already purchased the 99a 52mms, picking them up this afternoon. I’m currently in Toronto, but moving to a smaller city inside the GTA (heading west) pretty soon, which gets more snow than toronto. How fucked am I? Hahah. I’m thinking the roads are gonna be bad. Since I’ve never lived there I do plan on biking around looking for spots, rather than skating around randomly at first. But I do love to just go out and push around so I might have to grab another set of something later this summer.

Realistically I should probably be on something 54mm or above and on the softer side. But I’m a one setup guy right now and getting back into skating so the smaller wheels should help me get some tricks back faster.

You might be in for a rough ride, but I think you’ll be ok. Getting places might involve a lot of pushing, though. I’m interested to hear how it goes.

[gaunting]

god damnit! just bought some 99a f4’s in 52mm. wish I would’ve seen these new 53mm in 97a.....

[Frank and Fred]

Doesn't mean they are going to be in production and they are not F4s just the 95a classic formula, SoftDs that they have done in the past.

Enjoy your F4 97as.

[sometimeperhaps]

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Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.

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What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.

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Already purchased the 99a 52mms, picking them up this afternoon. I’m currently in Toronto, but moving to a smaller city inside the GTA (heading west) pretty soon, which gets more snow than toronto. How fucked am I? Hahah. I’m thinking the roads are gonna be bad. Since I’ve never lived there I do plan on biking around looking for spots, rather than skating around randomly at first. But I do love to just go out and push around so I might have to grab another set of something later this summer.

Realistically I should probably be on something 54mm or above and on the softer side. But I’m a one setup guy right now and getting back into skating so the smaller wheels should help me get some tricks back faster.

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You might be in for a rough ride, but I think you’ll be ok. Getting places might involve a lot of pushing, though. I’m interested to hear how it goes.

I’ll report back in a couple weeks once I’m out there. But went for a skate last night with them and they felt pretty good, in all my years I’ve never had spitfire for some reason. I’m coming off some worn down random 50mm skate mental wheels though so anything will feel better than those.

The more and more I lurk this section though the more I want some 56mm 97a go anywhere type wheel and setup. If the rough roads rattle my brain enough I might just have to make that happen.

[Mbrimson88]

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Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better” 

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.

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Agreed

From TnT post though it seems like these are gonna be classic though?

These were are "once off" for TNT, as they do for some of their pro guys, and although it would be cool that they were back in production, I think they stopped making them the first time because they didn't sell well enough.

Yes the slightly softer formulas are awesome and I still have quite a few sets of 95 and 92 duros but they did have very regular issues as per the older Spitfires, including flatspots, deforming in shape and the softer ones tended to have more issues with the compound as well, some of mine not holding up like the other ones do, eg one wheel is all mushy and chunks out easily, but the other three do exactly what they are supposed to do.

Honestly though, the F4 97s are going to be way better for everything than the older Soft Ds even if they are not quite as soft, they will last a lot longer and perform better than softer wheels.

[Cthunderw]

I’ve seen the 97a conicals popping up on Canadian Paradeworld for those still looking for a set.

[Mesteezo]

I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

[sweet pee]

I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

[Mbrimson88]

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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

[Lloyd Braun]

To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.

[mj23]

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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

So glad to hear this, I used to think I was insane for feeling like my wheels got harder over time

[fakiefs180]

To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.

I think it depends on the wheels. F4 54mm classics feel very nice after two sessions for me.
Radial Slims took a bit to get used to.

Top 5 new gear I hate:
- Shoes
- Bushings
- Shoes
- Grip
- Shoes

[Mbrimson88]

To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.

Yeah I will ride my wheels for a long time, and even set up other people's old wheels (after I have machined them) and skate them just as happily more often than not.


I must admit though, new Formula Four wheels with new bearings are just so good - so fast and clean rolling - right away, maybe because they are not "treaded" and have a smooth riding surface right from new, as compared to most other wheels that you always have to wear in before really going to skate normally.

Definitely feeling the love for any wheel like that, but more so Spitfire Formula Fours every time, over Bones SPFs or Slimeballs (which I have and are the only other hard wheels that have a smooth riding surface from new).

[rocklobster]

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To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.

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Yeah I will ride my wheels for a long time, and even set up other people's old wheels (after I have machined them) and skate them just as happily more often than not.


I must admit though, new Formula Four wheels with new bearings are just so good - so fast and clean rolling - right away, maybe because they are not "treaded" and have a smooth riding surface right from new, as compared to most other wheels that you always have to wear in before really going to skate normally.

Definitely feeling the love for any wheel like that, but more so Spitfire Formula Fours every time, over Bones SPFs or Slimeballs (which I have and are the only other hard wheels that have a smooth riding surface from new).

I just got my trucks and deck dimensions nailed, don't think I can deal with another element. I'll delay wheel changes as long as possible.

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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same 

[Lloyd Braun]

Just got my first set of F4 97a's yesterday, 56mm Conical Full. First impression, they are exactly what I was hoping for, a wheel that is soft enough to roll over rough ground but still hard enough to power slide going down hills etc. I was surprised at how well they handled crusty ground, I was skeptical thinking they'd be harder than I wanted only being slightly softer than 99a, but I got to say I'm impressed, happy with the purchase.

[bombsaway86]

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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

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I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same 

Bones definitely get harder with age too

[Banned from the room]

I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

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I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same 

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Bones definitely get harder with age too

By far the worst are Ricta Chrome Cores. The hard plastic core hardened around the bearing so tight (coupled with rust), I had to drip a couple of drops of oil along the edges before the bearing would start to wiggle.

[Banned from the room]

I thought that all modern wheels are multiple derometer by production default?

[white guy in a durag]

Love the feel of my 58s too. Still getting used to the new pop timing, but the height and speed feel great.

[dancing]

Love the feel of my 58s too. Still getting used to the new pop timing, but the height and speed feel great.

the 58mm 97a f4 conical fulls are the truth

[CannerSpaghetti]

I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

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Board porn right here

[jtrpma]

I also love the 58 conical fulls. And they last forever, just keep getting better. I have a set I’ve been riding for years and even though it got demoted to second set they still feel perfect, even at 52mm

[OldCandy]

so i wear down wheels pretty quick

i went from ~45 - 40 in a month and my wheels feel softer and smoother on the surface (skating crust) there bones v5 stf 99a if that helps

any clue to why?, I'm guessing that the urethane inside is still yet to cure even though this set is like at least a year old by now.

[Paperclip20]

I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)

[Firebert]

I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)

Spend most of my time on the 99s, no regrets with the 97s - they still break into slides without problem, they just don't slide AS far.

[rocklobster]

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I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)

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Spend most of my time on the 99s, no regrets with the 97s - they still break into slides without problem, they just don't slide AS far.

Damn, now I'm really excited to try my 97a Classics in 54mm. I wish they did a Radial Slim version.