Spitfire formula four

[modern life is war]

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I wonder if spitfire riders just aren't going above 56 very often and it's not worth it to produce them

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it's not about riders. It's about customers

That's what I meant haha. Maybe bones just has the vert and boomer market who want 58mm+ wheels covered

[PRISON IKE]

I went out after work to buy a set of 54mm 97 CFs (which I got) and impulse bought a set of 56mm 80HD CFs. I’ve never actually seen a set in person and they looked awesome. I’m a sucker I know.

[Sedition]

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.

[richard00800]

I need some juicy 51mm radial slims, come on...

[Frank and Fred]

I went out after work to buy a set of 54mm 97 CFs (which I got) and impulse bought a set of 56mm 80HD CFs. I’ve never actually seen a set in person and they looked awesome. I’m a sucker I know.

That's funny. I got sucked into an 80HD impulse buy recently, also. I have't tried them yet but I got the 56mm Classic fulls. They do indeed look great.

[jerrygurneyscream]

Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

[Frank and Fred]

Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

What size do you like?

[jerrygurneyscream]

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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

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What size do you like?

Im looking for 58 ideally

[yourbreakfsat]

Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.

Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!

[roba]

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Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.

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Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!

i work at a shop and like i said they didn’t include the blacked out sizes in the pre-order form. i really hope that they will be available because 58mm classics are my favorite wheels but we weren’t able to order those.

still most of you guys live in the states so there’s a ton of online shops that you could check out but in poland it’s been hard to find f4s over 54mm anywhere since november, and i really took my time to look for them. i had to skate pig wheels ffs. they weren’t that bad but they were no f4s.

[jerrygurneyscream]

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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

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What size do you like?

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Im looking for 58 ideally

because of this i just looked for them and found some, same price as the usual og formula so we'll se if it was a typo

[Mbrimson88]

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Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.

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Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!

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i work at a shop and like i said they didn’t include the blacked out sizes in the pre-order form. i really hope that they will be available because 58mm classics are my favorite wheels but we weren’t able to order those.

still most of you guys live in the states so there’s a ton of online shops that you could check out but in poland it’s been hard to find f4s over 54mm anywhere since november, and i really took my time to look for them. i had to skate pig wheels ffs. they weren’t that bad but they were no f4s.

I get the impression we are coming up on shortages again in quite a few sizes and shapes with the Formula Four wheels, or they could be concentrating right now on only getting out the most common sizes and shapes, with a few other thrown in the mix, eg pro one off Conical Full 60mm for Austin Kanfoush or similar.

There seem like some more bigger wheels on the horizon too, but wait and see for those.


They may have had too much confusion or too many negative comments from the blacked out options, so it is easier just to post the full list of wheels with all sizes, so people can see, but not necessarily make all those shapes and sizes, with shops only getting the options of what is available, but even then, it seems like USA gets a lot more in the way of stock and options than other places like EU or AU too.

It seems like the last drop here in AU was pretty minimal, or the shops I usually see get re ups of all the usual stock just didn't get as much or any this time round.  I follow most shops here in AU as well as way too many from US and other places so it is interesting to see sometimes who posts what, with quite a few things not in catalogs still appearing on their websites or on instagram posts.


Just some observations and thoughts, not insider info or anything like that.

[JimmyFive]

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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

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What size do you like?

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Im looking for 58 ideally

Me too! But I'm in NZ. Good luck! If you find them let me know!

[DERBY]

wait wtf it also says 57mm and 59mm under the f4 classics. what colours would those be ?

[Mbrimson88]

wait wtf it also says 57mm and 59mm under the f4 classics. what colours would those be ?

I was wondering what you were talking about, but I see it now.

Looks like they accidently put those extra sizes in there when they only come in the Bighead range, not the Classic range, as the updated catalog does not have 57 and 59mm in the info pic.  Who knows, at some point they might add those extra sizes to that Classic range, so there is the full size range in one lot, keeping it more simple than having the Bighead and Classic ranges overlapping each other.

I guess on face value, don't believe everything you see or read.



https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2023/


Refresh those images below or open the catalog link above and they should come up with the correct size range for each, but looking at the saved link / pics from this thread, they come up with the other sizes still.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg

[eviltgirl]

So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?

[Sedition]

So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?

More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Conicals. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (than conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.

[eviltgirl]

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So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?

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More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (thab conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.

Oh huh, okay thanks, guess I was just thinking less weight = good lmao

[Mbrimson88]

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So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?

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More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (thab conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.

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Oh huh, okay thanks, guess I was just thinking less weight = good lmao

Here is the link to the close up images for the wheel options that others have posted on Slap, which are really good to see all specs and info:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3844842;topicseen#msg3844842


As well as the Spitfire profile pics on their site:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


It probably still doesn't show the most important thing, but pretty much the main difference when looking at them in person is Classics and Radials are curved from the bearing seat round the wheel profile, no sharp edges at all on the face of the wheel, whereas the Conical or Conical Full have a sharp edge at the widest point, where the inside wall joins the outer area before it slightly curves to the riding surface.

The Lock Ins might be the best pic that shows this, as they have one side Conical Full, one side flat edge.






Radial profile:





Rounded edges make it way easier to get on and off coping or similar things, but the Conical edge grips more when grinding getting in and out of things, as others have said.

[Xen]

 Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials.

Wut?

[TheLowerBack]

How are the 97's on smooth concrete/parks?

[Sedition]

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 Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials.

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Wut?

Damn mental typo. Thanks for the catch. Radials are halfway between Classics and CONICALS.

[Sedition]

How are the 97's on smooth concrete/parks?

Slow and sticky. They are best suited for more crusty stuff.

[franquietits]

This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

[Sedition]

This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

[franquietits]

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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.

[Frank and Fred]

This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

Absolutely. I unlocked backside power slides on 101 radial slims (I can FS power sliding duro wheel). But after I had them dialed, it wasn't too hard to take them to 99s. Hills are the best place to learn them.

[DERBY]

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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.

what’s ur foot placement looking like?

[switchfrontshuv]

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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.

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what’s ur foot placement looking like?

a lot of weight on my toes for bs powerslides. theyre too scary now so i dont do them anymore (dont want roadrash on my stomach no thanks)

[franquietits]

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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.

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what’s ur foot placement looking like?

Front foot over the front bolts slightly angled, back foot -- not sure, never payed attention probably just pocket. I've seen clips of people pulling them off with their front foot in the middle of the board; so, maybe there is something there. I also think I just don't lift my body up (weightless) enough when I angle into the power slide. Idk, the weather has been shit for awhile, so I haven't been trying. for some reason, I just started thinking about all of this suddenly. I remember seeing the degros trick tip for it and it was really good.