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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5640 on: September 02, 2022, 11:52:04 AM »
always wanted conical wheels, so a while back i picked up some 55mm acid pods. i only got them because they were the only conicals in the shop, but they actually turned out really solid. don't know if they're actively making them anymore which sucks.

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« Reply #5641 on: September 04, 2022, 08:31:35 AM »
Just got the Dragons. They slide about the same on angle iron as my 97a F4s on crooks and noseslides. Powerslides feel better on the 97a F4s, but these are good too. The 93a Dragons feel way better and faster on rough asphalt.

I'm actually loving that the same speeds feel "slower" because of how soft they are. I'm a wuss who's scared of skating fast and these really help.

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« Reply #5642 on: September 04, 2022, 07:09:53 PM »
Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

Also anybody have any experience with 78a Slime Balls, or Acid Jelly Shots compared to OJ Super juices?

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« Reply #5643 on: September 04, 2022, 10:43:56 PM »
Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5644 on: September 05, 2022, 02:35:48 AM »
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Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

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I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough

Thanks thats good to hear. Do you notice the 60mm being significantly better in terms of rolling for longer, being faster etc?

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« Reply #5645 on: September 05, 2022, 10:00:30 AM »
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Has anybody had both 55mm mini super juices and 60mm super juices (the OJ 78a one)? I have the 60mm ones and wonder how much of a hit in speed/smooth roll I'd take if I got the 55mm. Wanna set them up on a small cruiser I just got.

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I have. They’re narrower, lighter, and more practical if you want to do more than just cruise. If you pair them up with decent bearings they should be fast enough
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Thanks thats good to hear. Do you notice the 60mm being significantly better in terms of rolling for longer, being faster etc?
i had the 60’s set up on my filming board with bones Swiss ceramics. That combo is always going to feel pretty fast and roll far. It was real easy to not have to push. The 55’s I had with bones reds. It was a fast enough combo, but not nearly the same. If speed is your only concern then go with the 60’s
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5646 on: September 08, 2022, 11:46:39 AM »
OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5647 on: September 08, 2022, 11:55:23 AM »
OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out

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« Reply #5648 on: September 08, 2022, 12:10:50 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5649 on: September 08, 2022, 12:46:29 PM »
I remember Jaws testing some shock absorbing wheel for bones….I suspect it was similar….

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5650 on: September 08, 2022, 01:42:14 PM »
I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5651 on: September 08, 2022, 02:41:33 PM »
OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

Honestly seems like yet another gimmick from a third-rate wheel maker.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5652 on: September 08, 2022, 02:56:56 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push

oh, I see. Nevermind then, I'm not interested in these anymore lol.

Yeah I've only ridden the standard OJ wheels, not the Elite or Insaneathane ones. I suppose I'll give those a try at some point

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5653 on: September 08, 2022, 06:41:56 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push


They have been rather disappointing overall, but I know some people really love their OJs - the good ones that is, not the cheap / pricepoint wheels.  Especially the older 60 / 61mm 95 / 97 duro versions, which are amazing wheels.

Funny thing is with the dual duro, it seemed like it worked way better the other way round, eg the core was harder so it kept the bearings aligned correctly, then the outer part you actually ride was softer, as per some old Spitfires I have and other wheels over the years, which work really well - inner being 101 or so and outer being 92, 95, 96 or 97 on various wheels.

Having a softer core means the bearings move in the wheels, which caused more issues than anything else with the softer wheel market.

That is just me with my own experiences though.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5654 on: September 08, 2022, 06:48:10 PM »
I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide

Yup. You have to be going Mach 10 to get them sliding in the streets (Milton slides OJs like a boss). In a park setting, I'd choose them over SPFs any day for that grip...SPFs can be glassy,
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5655 on: September 08, 2022, 09:21:56 PM »
OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro

I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5656 on: September 08, 2022, 10:30:42 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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These are interesting, I'm looking forward to potentially trying a set. I haven't ever liked OJ urethane though so I don't have very high hopes but it will still be cool to try. Wouldn't you want the harder durometer on the inside though? that way you can slide your wheel better for smith grinds and crooked grinds and all that. Perhaps I'll run them flipped inside out
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I think you might be confused by their wording. The softer inner durometer refers to the core not the width


 I tried a few sets of OJ Elite urethane wheels. EZ Edge’s(classic shape) and Mini Combos. They were Pretty good. I also tried a set of From Concentrate wheels and they might have been the single worst wheel I’ve ever skated. It felt like they would slow down mid push
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They have been rather disappointing overall, but I know some people really love their OJs - the good ones that is, not the cheap / pricepoint wheels.  Especially the older 60 / 61mm 95 / 97 duro versions, which are amazing wheels.

Funny thing is with the dual duro, it seemed like it worked way better the other way round, eg the core was harder so it kept the bearings aligned correctly, then the outer part you actually ride was softer, as per some old Spitfires I have and other wheels over the years, which work really well - inner being 101 or so and outer being 92, 95, 96 or 97 on various wheels.

Having a softer core means the bearings move in the wheels, which caused more issues than anything else with the softer wheel market.

That is just me with my own experiences though.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5657 on: September 09, 2022, 12:04:03 AM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.

Better shot of the core/shape.



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5658 on: September 09, 2022, 12:06:57 AM »
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I can't slide the OJ 101 elites to save my life and I stick on everything.  They feel great rolling but I wish they could fix the slide
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Yup. You have to be going Mach 10 to get them sliding in the streets (Milton slides OJs like a boss). In a park setting, I'd choose them over SPFs any day for that grip...SPFs can be glassy,
i always found OJs to be pretty shit to slide outside of anywhere but a smooth park. in that setting they’re a pretty decent wheel, at least for transition. I can’t speak for flatbar/tech stuff

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5659 on: September 09, 2022, 05:34:46 AM »
I always want to try OJs but it definitely seems like the people that like them skate parks most the time or smooth streets. Seems like a very socal perfect streets type wheel so it don’t apply to me in the Midwest.

Also I’m curious how wearing these down will be. They turn into 95s?

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« Reply #5660 on: September 09, 2022, 06:29:04 AM »
I've been skating 56mm 99 and 60mm 95 Vee shape NFGs on a Polar P9 on ace 44s and a Dane 1 on Indy 149s and risers the last week or so. Have yet to take them to a park but they're very interesting on asphalt and sidewalks. Especially after only skating 99 F4 conical fulls basically since they came out.

These are big ol' wheels, and the contact patch is the entire width of the wheel.

They bark on a slide, and the 99s break into a slide way easier, but there's less control. I've yet to take a slam on a powerslide but I know it's coming. The one session I had at an actual spot I felt confident about back noseslides, which I was worried about. I mostly ended up filming that day though

I took the 95s to a meeting yesterday and skated probably 20 blocks combined on the way home. They're not super absorbent of rough ground but I'm rolling over everything. They bark nice on sidewalks and slide pretty normal on the street. I could roll pretty fast and feel some grip while knowing a speed check could be doable. My first thought was definitely that they skate like those 53mm 99 F4s I love so much but with more momentum. Stopped at a wet curb and did back nose and then nollie back tail with no push in between, which was interesting. They slide really nice on that curb. I'm thinking they'd do well on a day where I want to film fisheye but maybe get a clip or two

Now I'm thinking about the teardrop shapes. Wheel madness beginning. I don't care too much about an "optimal" setup as long as I can keep rolling and kickflip
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5661 on: September 09, 2022, 07:15:56 AM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.

wait so... rictas?

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« Reply #5662 on: September 09, 2022, 04:36:32 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?

Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.
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« Reply #5663 on: September 09, 2022, 04:52:01 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.

What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center

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« Reply #5664 on: September 09, 2022, 05:21:41 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.
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What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center

The concept is a sort of a “shock absorber” that keeps its speed and slide. The outer shell keeps it’s shape to preform like a standard wheel but the innards soak up all the chatter. Terrible for bearings I would assume.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5665 on: September 09, 2022, 05:24:31 PM »
Mr. Slap, how many licks does it take to get to the softer durometer roll center of a wheel?

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« Reply #5666 on: September 09, 2022, 05:39:41 PM »
Interesting that OJs newest product is essential what ricta has been doing. Ricta speed rings are an underrated wheel. I wonder how much research they did to make it different.

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« Reply #5667 on: September 09, 2022, 06:55:05 PM »
Aren't Speedrings the complete opposite though? My understanding is they have a hard core and a softer riding surface. I am pretty Ricta ignorant but Cairo got me thinking about them for a day or two.
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« Reply #5668 on: September 09, 2022, 08:36:22 PM »
Speedrings and Ricta cored wheels aren't dual duro like these OJs, or the old ABs, or even the powerflex wheels (tho those are closest to the ricta chrome cores).

The ricta cores just have a hard bearing seat. whereas the speed rings are different in that they have an inner urethane ring that surrounds the bearing core, and then the ring, then the outer urethane (part you skate) so: bearing seat, urethane, ring, urethane.

From ricta, complete with typo:

"Ricta Speedrings’ unique core design puts urethane around the bearing bore like a non-cored wheel. You get the feel of a traditional wheel with the speed and reduced rolling resistance of a cored wheel. Less Rattle, More Roll"

I've skated speed rings a number of times and never felt an advantage in skating. Plus they only come in 95/99 now and the 99s were very grippy but felt harder.

The older chrome cores, before they switch to the NRG' branding  were hard af and would rattle your teeth out.

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« Reply #5669 on: September 10, 2022, 06:49:52 AM »
Everything Xen said for sure. I feel like the OJs are like the lazy version of this “technology “.
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