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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5670 on: September 10, 2022, 07:30:18 PM »
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. Iím wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.

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« Reply #5671 on: September 11, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spitís lock-in shape.

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« Reply #5672 on: September 11, 2022, 12:09:51 PM »
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spitís lock-in shape.

Yeah all three shapes. V1 is Classic. V4 is Radial. V6 is Conical Full.

Careful you pay attention to which shape you're buying, because they don't make it very clear.
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« Reply #5673 on: September 12, 2022, 05:27:48 AM »
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. Iím wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.

First post, what's up slappers.

Skated my first session on the 54mm V4 dragons on a dusty wooden indoor mini last Friday. They feel significantly gripper than 99a wheels, but still slide just fine. I was noticeably slower on the dragons, though, so I'll use ceramic bearings to hopefully make up for that little bit of drag in future sessions.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5674 on: September 13, 2022, 12:59:54 PM »

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« Reply #5675 on: September 15, 2022, 08:35:51 AM »
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5676 on: September 15, 2022, 02:42:43 PM »
Pig donít get any love because no one skates them to give any feedbackÖtheyíre probably amazing we just donít know it.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5677 on: September 15, 2022, 02:50:25 PM »
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Anyone fuck with those Pig Prime Naturals? And where are they made?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5678 on: September 15, 2022, 05:02:56 PM »
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.


I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.

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« Reply #5679 on: September 15, 2022, 05:04:12 PM »
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5680 on: September 16, 2022, 04:48:41 AM »
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
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« Reply #5681 on: September 16, 2022, 07:56:56 AM »
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My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
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« Reply #5682 on: September 19, 2022, 10:36:05 PM »


Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.

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« Reply #5683 on: September 20, 2022, 07:12:12 AM »
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5684 on: September 20, 2022, 07:21:38 AM »
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.

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« Reply #5685 on: September 20, 2022, 07:37:05 AM »
@tzhangdox  stoked to hear your thoughts after youíve ridden them some. The 93a dragons was never for me but the 97a bones definitely seem to be more in my wheel house. Just looking for an all around wheel and I love the v5 shape. Bones never slide as good as spits for me. So Iím hoping this somehow works

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5686 on: September 20, 2022, 09:56:22 AM »
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`
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« Reply #5687 on: September 20, 2022, 10:27:32 AM »
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`

Nah I believe these should be the ones that are coming out in production, got them from my local shop yesterday. My samples from Kam had cores and were toothpaste white and hard af, also comically fat felt like dumbbells on my trucks.

Even the dragons didn't stick on bluntslides on certain waxed concrete ledges, but definitely stuck on blunt on skatelite, wood and other stuff. These are tbd but I imagine they'll probably be okay.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5688 on: September 20, 2022, 11:08:19 AM »
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so theyíre presumably going to be available shortly.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5689 on: September 20, 2022, 01:53:25 PM »
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so theyíre presumably going to be available shortly.

Hmm... Wonder when the 95a are coming.
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« Reply #5690 on: September 20, 2022, 02:24:41 PM »
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.

Last official word from them was November for the bones x 97s; hopefully sooner.

Been on the 93s for a minute now. They work just fine in every scenario I've put them in so far...after the first few minutes I didn't even notice a difference other than them being quiet, super fucking smooth and bouncy on the drop; I matched them with race reds (so they're locked down) a slick deck and tensor maglights, no lie that setup opened up a few spots and makes a world of difference 'just cruising' or skating from spot to spot.

I'll also vouch for the increase in session time at rough spots, much less fatigue.

Slightly gummy on crooks (squeaky on slappy crooks), smiths and feebles...but I just go faster...scary for blunts (unless super waxed), can't trust them. Miss the speed check chirp.

If they can get close to a spit/stf 99a feel with most of the 93 functionality I'm betting (as predicted) the 97s are going to be my sweet spot.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5691 on: September 20, 2022, 08:28:21 PM »


Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.

Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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« Reply #5692 on: September 22, 2022, 11:59:21 AM »
Ive broken in both my 56mm 99a Vee shape NFG and my 60mm 95a. After years of F4 99a and Keyframes I love how hard the softer wheels are, but the 99a are slippery sometimes. Not as versatile as F4s. Great on hard asphalt and smooth pavement/cobblestone, scary at the indoor. My powerslides keep going just a little bit on these - something about the way F4s break into slides make me feel way safer but I gotta have perfect form. Not with the NFGs.

Neither wheel is bouncy - the 95s don't really eat up crust so much as roll right through it. So I don't know how much chiller they'd be at a smaller size. But I've got two other boards in the quiver and a new indoor I dig so I might try a 95a in a rounder shape
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« Reply #5693 on: September 22, 2022, 01:14:28 PM »
What happened with those 95a Spitfire F4s that were rumored or speculated or leaked a while back?

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« Reply #5694 on: September 22, 2022, 01:54:28 PM »
What happened with those 95a Spitfire F4s that were rumored or speculated or leaked a while back?

They're in the works

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« Reply #5695 on: September 22, 2022, 04:28:49 PM »
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
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I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.


I had meant to say thanks for the info, but only remembered when I was going back over the thread.

Always good to know.

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« Reply #5696 on: September 22, 2022, 05:04:43 PM »
Iím entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. Thereís no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit itís tempting me

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« Reply #5697 on: September 22, 2022, 06:18:17 PM »
Iím entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. Thereís no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit itís tempting me

The 95a Nomads are pretty tight. But if I could trade em in I'd probably drink the Dragon kool-aid.

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« Reply #5698 on: September 25, 2022, 02:43:34 AM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.

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« Reply #5699 on: September 25, 2022, 11:17:51 AM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!

The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.