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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5640 on: September 09, 2022, 07:15:56 AM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.

wait so... rictas?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5641 on: September 09, 2022, 04:36:32 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?

Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5642 on: September 09, 2022, 04:52:01 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.

What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5643 on: September 09, 2022, 05:21:41 PM »
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OJs dual duro has entered the chat.

Looks like 101 outer duro and a 95 inner duro
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I'm confused. I thought all modern wheels was dual duro.

That font is sick AF.
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wait so... rictas?
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Speedrings baby! Also Darkstar had something similar way back when.
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What’s the advantage of a dual durometer wheel? More rebound? Not sure that would be helpful tho. You’d have to skate thru the top layer of you wanna get to the softer nougaty center

The concept is a sort of a “shock absorber” that keeps its speed and slide. The outer shell keeps it’s shape to preform like a standard wheel but the innards soak up all the chatter. Terrible for bearings I would assume.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5644 on: September 09, 2022, 05:24:31 PM »
Mr. Slap, how many licks does it take to get to the softer durometer roll center of a wheel?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5645 on: September 09, 2022, 05:39:41 PM »
Interesting that OJs newest product is essential what ricta has been doing. Ricta speed rings are an underrated wheel. I wonder how much research they did to make it different.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5646 on: September 09, 2022, 06:55:05 PM »
Aren't Speedrings the complete opposite though? My understanding is they have a hard core and a softer riding surface. I am pretty Ricta ignorant but Cairo got me thinking about them for a day or two.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5647 on: September 09, 2022, 08:36:22 PM »
Speedrings and Ricta cored wheels aren't dual duro like these OJs, or the old ABs, or even the powerflex wheels (tho those are closest to the ricta chrome cores).

The ricta cores just have a hard bearing seat. whereas the speed rings are different in that they have an inner urethane ring that surrounds the bearing core, and then the ring, then the outer urethane (part you skate) so: bearing seat, urethane, ring, urethane.

From ricta, complete with typo:

"Ricta Speedrings’ unique core design puts urethane around the bearing bore like a non-cored wheel. You get the feel of a traditional wheel with the speed and reduced rolling resistance of a cored wheel. Less Rattle, More Roll"

I've skated speed rings a number of times and never felt an advantage in skating. Plus they only come in 95/99 now and the 99s were very grippy but felt harder.

The older chrome cores, before they switch to the NRG' branding  were hard af and would rattle your teeth out.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5648 on: September 10, 2022, 06:49:52 AM »
Everything Xen said for sure. I feel like the OJs are like the lazy version of this “technology “.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5649 on: September 10, 2022, 08:52:14 AM »
Powerflex has been doing the soft core/ hard surface for a while

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« Reply #5650 on: September 10, 2022, 07:30:18 PM »
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. I’m wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.

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« Reply #5651 on: September 11, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spit’s lock-in shape.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5652 on: September 11, 2022, 12:09:51 PM »
are the dragons fully symmetrical? not big on how keyframes have a sharper and rounder side, like a Spit’s lock-in shape.

Yeah all three shapes. V1 is Classic. V4 is Radial. V6 is Conical Full.

Careful you pay attention to which shape you're buying, because they don't make it very clear.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5653 on: September 12, 2022, 05:27:48 AM »
Anybody have experience with the dragon wheels on indoor mini ramps? Specifically moderately slippery birch. I have bad form and push stuff way to hard and end up slipping out a lot on 99a wheels. I’m wondering how the dragons compare to spitfire 97s which are pretty good for the indoor stuff.

First post, what's up slappers.

Skated my first session on the 54mm V4 dragons on a dusty wooden indoor mini last Friday. They feel significantly gripper than 99a wheels, but still slide just fine. I was noticeably slower on the dragons, though, so I'll use ceramic bearings to hopefully make up for that little bit of drag in future sessions.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5654 on: September 13, 2022, 12:59:54 PM »

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« Reply #5655 on: September 15, 2022, 08:35:51 AM »
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5656 on: September 15, 2022, 02:42:43 PM »
Pig don’t get any love because no one skates them to give any feedback…they’re probably amazing we just don’t know it.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5657 on: September 15, 2022, 02:50:25 PM »
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Anyone fuck with those Pig Prime Naturals? And where are they made?
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Pigs are just Bones Wheels rejects. Not all wheels turn out perfectly so Pig buys Bones rejects then they trim a bit of the urethane off to make them consistent. Then a pig swallows them in even sets of 4. 53mm one day, 58mm another day not to stretch out the pigs rectum. After that they are rinsed and sold at a loss. Pig Wheels operates at a deficit of 30k a year to supply the buyer with the best possible wheels. The spirit of the Pig lies within the wheel forever and gives you that pop and slide that is so desired by the skate industry right now.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5658 on: September 15, 2022, 05:02:56 PM »
what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.


I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5659 on: September 15, 2022, 05:04:12 PM »
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5660 on: September 16, 2022, 04:48:41 AM »
My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5661 on: September 16, 2022, 07:56:56 AM »
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My OJ 95a 60mm combos have been having the bearing slip out of it constantly during my session today and seizing up my wheel. Back to Spitfires >:(
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5662 on: September 19, 2022, 10:36:05 PM »


Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5663 on: September 20, 2022, 07:12:12 AM »
50 shades of dragons

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5664 on: September 20, 2022, 07:21:38 AM »
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.

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« Reply #5665 on: September 20, 2022, 07:37:05 AM »
@tzhangdox  stoked to hear your thoughts after you’ve ridden them some. The 93a dragons was never for me but the 97a bones definitely seem to be more in my wheel house. Just looking for an all around wheel and I love the v5 shape. Bones never slide as good as spits for me. So I’m hoping this somehow works

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5666 on: September 20, 2022, 09:56:22 AM »
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`
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« Reply #5667 on: September 20, 2022, 10:27:32 AM »
Were those the same samples from Kam? The only 97a I was able to get are comically fat and I can't skate them.

The 95a are sticking pretty hard on bluntslides, I think the switch up was fun but I'm headed back to F4.`

Nah I believe these should be the ones that are coming out in production, got them from my local shop yesterday. My samples from Kam had cores and were toothpaste white and hard af, also comically fat felt like dumbbells on my trucks.

Even the dragons didn't stick on bluntslides on certain waxed concrete ledges, but definitely stuck on blunt on skatelite, wood and other stuff. These are tbd but I imagine they'll probably be okay.

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« Reply #5668 on: September 20, 2022, 11:08:19 AM »
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.

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« Reply #5669 on: September 20, 2022, 01:53:25 PM »
Bones is pushing the 97a on Instagram so they’re presumably going to be available shortly.

Hmm... Wonder when the 95a are coming.
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