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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5730 on: October 01, 2022, 09:36:40 AM »

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« Reply #5731 on: October 01, 2022, 10:18:12 AM »
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5732 on: October 01, 2022, 11:03:19 AM »
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pros and cons of wheel shapes youíve tried. whatíre their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
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Just switched from Conical Fulls to Classics and was surprised by how much easier flip tricks were. My first few flicks, my board rotated further than I expected - I had to dial down my flick to get it back to normal. Also seems like they get into a slappy a little easier, but that might be my imagination.

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Same thing happened, but I also went up to 149 so it sorta cancelled out.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5733 on: October 01, 2022, 11:32:31 AM »
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.

101 Ricta are hard to beat once you adjust to the slide. Everything else will feel soft but Elites but Elites will be too grippy, bones will be too glassy, and spit will feel a bit slower, in my experience (after riding ricta).

They wear down pretty fast but no flats spots or complaints.

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« Reply #5734 on: October 01, 2022, 02:34:14 PM »
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I havenít really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, whatís the verdict?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5735 on: October 02, 2022, 12:04:39 AM »
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pros and cons of wheel shapes youíve tried. whatíre their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
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Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else
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Blessed wheel shape and unique to Spitfire,  I'd say impossible to find a similar wheel profile amongst other brands.

Dug my last set out and rode them today (been on 93 dragons and 103 v1s), they feel so good, way better than the classics I had with me, both 101.

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« Reply #5736 on: October 02, 2022, 06:15:19 AM »
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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i got a set of them, my friend bought a set earlier and he liked them so i thought why not. so far i've only skated to the store on them, but on the way there i skated on asphalt and bricks and they slid very well, a little stickier than f4s (those are truly unfuckwithable in that aspect) but i really didn't have to adjust where i put my body weight when powersliding like i had to with other wheels. i don't know the hardness, it's nowhere to be found on the packaging or the wheels themselves, they feel harder than 99a spitfires, so i'm guessing they're like 100s or 101s. i'm heading to the skatepark after work so i'll write more tomorrow (or maybe tonight because i'm going to a party after that so we will see where that goes) but i'm pleasantly surprised as for now. they're so much cheaper than f4s too, like price point wheels without really feeling like price point wheels.

still havenít been to the skatepark, but i skated street all day yesterday on them, bombed some hills and skated a wooden ramp. they worked well on all, a little slippery on the wooden ramp but thatís not surprising for hard wheels, f4s were slippery there too. slide great on asphalt, ok on bricks, i havenít got any flatspots on them yet. my last two sets of wheels different than f4s were dialtones and bones 100s and pig wheels i would rank higher than those two. 
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5737 on: October 02, 2022, 11:09:55 AM »
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5738 on: October 02, 2022, 12:18:04 PM »
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.

I keep meaning to nab a set during xx amount off clearance items...they were $14 last SW sale... not much of a risk.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5739 on: October 02, 2022, 07:54:20 PM »
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Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
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I keep meaning to nab a set during xx amount off clearance items...they were $14 last SW sale... not much of a risk.

Bought a set of the Primes a while back and shared on here that they were really good. I think a little better than the OJ Elites.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5740 on: October 03, 2022, 02:31:33 AM »
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pros and cons of wheel shapes youíve tried. whatíre their pros n cons? what sorta tricks are they best for?
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Bones V2/Spit tablets =  ledges/rails
Bones V5 = slappies/rails/bowls - favorite wheel shape
Spit Radial Slims for literally everything else
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Blessed wheel shape and unique to Spitfire,  I'd say impossible to find a similar wheel profile amongst other brands.
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Dug my last set out and rode them today (been on 93 dragons and 103 v1s), they feel so good, way better than the classics I had with me, both 101.

Are we twinning? Iím also currently on the dragons with my mini logo trucks krooked combo and 103v1 on my Indy zoo York setup
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5741 on: October 03, 2022, 03:46:56 AM »
Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.

Fairly sure you can get Pig primes in any popular duro. I've definitely seen 99a and 101a at various shops. The pig line is actually pretty diverse, but like most Tumyeto stuff individual duros/shapes/colors come and go from their site and are usually easier to find at the warehouses or local shops that are particularly chummy with the Tumy.

Pig wheels are decent. I have some of the 97a conicals and they're actually far better than I expected them to be when I got them. They're kinda sticky on dry ground but they slide fine once you break them loose. It's a very predictable response. I fear the dragons have made them obsolete, but they were actually my favourite soft/hybrid wheel for a while until NFG dropped their 95a formula.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5742 on: October 03, 2022, 06:31:29 AM »
I said the NFG 56 Vees I was skating were 99s...

NFG doesn't make a 99...

They're 52D, 103A equivalent

I've been skating them and wondering why the fuck are these so slippery...

I fucked up. But I dig them after skating F4 99s so long
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5743 on: October 03, 2022, 02:25:20 PM »
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Looks like most Pig Wheels are 101a. Pig Prime urethane is 103a.
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Fairly sure you can get Pig primes in any popular duro. I've definitely seen 99a and 101a at various shops. The pig line is actually pretty diverse, but like most Tumyeto stuff individual duros/shapes/colors come and go from their site and are usually easier to find at the warehouses or local shops that are particularly chummy with the Tumy.

Pig wheels are decent. I have some of the 97a conicals and they're actually far better than I expected them to be when I got them. They're kinda sticky on dry ground but they slide fine once you break them loose. It's a very predictable response. I fear the dragons have made them obsolete, but they were actually my favourite soft/hybrid wheel for a while until NFG dropped their 95a formula.

You like the nfg 95a more than the dragons?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5744 on: October 03, 2022, 03:23:09 PM »
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjPWcr1st6P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Here's an Austin wheel company that just started. My wife bought the 55's and after checking hers out I might do the same
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5745 on: October 04, 2022, 07:58:33 AM »
What do you guys think about this new OJ Double Duro? 101 on the outside and 95a on the inside. I am curious to try them. i really dont like the idea of the soft ass dragons this seems like a better option. not out yet but maybe someone here has got a sneak peak?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5746 on: October 04, 2022, 09:29:35 AM »
No one has tried them so hard to speak accurately. My guess is Powell Dragons/Bones X damage control.

The pitch:

101a Outer = Hard wheel characteristics/performance = slide...so theoretically a better slide than say, a 95 or 97 (but OJs don't really do that well; jury is out on a new thane for these)

95a Inner = Dampening/absorption of a smaller wheel

In spit terms, you get the slide of the 101a, and [supposedly] crust conquering of the 97s...imagine an F4 like that...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQVkMhB9wA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.



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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5747 on: October 04, 2022, 11:13:40 AM »
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjPWcr1st6P/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Here's an Austin wheel company that just started. My wife bought the 55's and after checking hers out I might do the same

Couple people I know have been riding these, they seem alright, the only thing I have against them is the whole DIY aesthetic they are trying to push when in fact these are prolly just another batch of creative urethane, there is nothing special about them, glad there is a company ran by a woman of color thatís doing things and putting on for austin though, they recently put on a curb contest here in Austin and it looked rad
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5748 on: October 04, 2022, 11:34:36 AM »
No one has tried them so hard to speak accurately. My guess is Powell Dragons/Bones X damage control.

The pitch:

101a Outer = Hard wheel characteristics/performance = slide...so theoretically a better slide than say, a 95 or 97 (but OJs don't really do that well; jury is out on a new thane for these)

95a Inner = Dampening/absorption of a smaller wheel

In spit terms, you get the slide of the 101a, and [supposedly] crust conquering of the 97s...imagine an F4 like that...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQVkMhB9wA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.

i reallly need to try dragon for myself to see how it slides compared to 95a
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5749 on: October 04, 2022, 11:43:48 AM »
What brands are made by creative/mearthane?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5750 on: October 04, 2022, 11:50:16 AM »
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?

Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I havenít really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, whatís the verdict?

They're designed to be mounted with the square side in for better lock ins. IIRC they were pretty much a response to spits lock in shape
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5751 on: October 04, 2022, 12:05:08 PM »
What brands are made by creative/mearthane?

Just about any wheel brand that says 'Made in the USA' that isn't Acid/NFG/Bones/Spit..etc., and assume all 'team' wheels unless specified are China-made.

[dated info] found on page 3 of this thread...

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg2273002#msg2273002

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5752 on: October 04, 2022, 12:53:42 PM »
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WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?

Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I havenít really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, whatís the verdict?
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They're designed to be mounted with the square side in for better lock ins. IIRC they were pretty much a response to spits lock in shape

Thanks man  :)
I thought so too, but i thought the manufacturer had an idea with placing the graphics on the square side, as many wheels are designed for graphics to face out, I thought that was the main way to use them.
I thought the Slime balls and OJ combo shape were OG wheel shapes from way back when?

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5753 on: October 04, 2022, 04:26:45 PM »
Currently riding a set of 101a Rictas. Was riding 99 F4s before.

Curious how Bones 103a STF, Spitfire 101a and OJ Elite 101 compare now.
i've got the OJ 101s set up on my glass park setup right now, so obviously they see less use but they're still nice. i was soured a bit at first as i flatspotted them with relative ease on a park that had been concreted a fair while ago (granted i was intentionally trying to, in order to see if they would hold up).
despite this, they feel really nice on those smoother parks. never tried spitfire so i can't speak on that matter, but on those parks that range from smooth-glassy they perform well compared to stf's. i don't slide out ever, and they feel easy to control in powerslides. if i was being more sceptical i would say how they take that tiny bit more effort (that FEELS like a mountain compared to the relative molehill it is) to break into a slide.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5754 on: October 04, 2022, 04:50:17 PM »


Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.

The Autobahn dual duro ones were 101A core with 97A outer, so the opposite of what OJ's trying.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5755 on: October 04, 2022, 05:07:07 PM »
Dual durometers have been a thing for a long time, but it's always been softer outer with harder core. No idea what effects happen when reversing the durometer positions, so this looks interesting. The only thing I can think of is that it'll reduce vibration when pushing through crappy ground. Time will tell.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5756 on: October 04, 2022, 05:26:47 PM »
WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I havenít really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, whatís the verdict?


I had meant to reply to this a while back but got distracted.


At least you pretty much have the info re asymmetric shaped wheels, but some people do like to ride them in and some out, most the normal way, as said, but they do give you the option, mini combo = a combination of two wheel shapes so you can choose either way depending on what you want or how wide your wheel to truck to deck is and other factors.


As for the surfaces of different ramps, as well as how people skate, there can be so many variables between what might be considered the best wheels for any given place.  Some people like to have that slip and slide feel, whereas others prefer NO slide unless they want it to slide, so you can easily go from 101 / 99 down to 90 duro and everything in between for the same ramp, depending on who is skating it and what they prefer.

Try the normal wheels you have (with caution) and if they are extremely slippery, then I would say go down to a lower duro than 97, but if you just wanted a touch more grip, then the 97s should be good.

The different wheel brands with different formulas will skate differently as well, but for the most part the 97s from Spitfire and Slimeballs will work well on moderately slippery ramps, but will still feel too hard on very slippery ramp surfaces.

Lower duros than that I found that the Mini Logo 95 duro or even the 90 duro were really good, kept speed and didn't slip out on the skatelite / slippery wood / other surfaces around here, whereas some other 95 duro wheels didn't keep grip on the slippery stuff and some other 90 duro wheels just ended up being very slow to roll over those surfaces, when compared to the normal harder wheels.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5757 on: October 04, 2022, 06:23:57 PM »
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Longboards wheel manufacturers been doing it for years, Autobahn did it years ago (83B outer durometer w/ 97A core, really good wheel for back then)), never really caught on: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3821869#msg3821869.
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The Autobahn dual duro ones were 101A core with 97A outer, so the opposite of what OJ's trying.


Autobahn Dual Duro Ultra 97a/100a (inner/outer) (they also came in 97a/97a) - clear urethane core

Autobahn ABX Dual Duro 83B/97A (inner/outer) - black core/plastic


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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5758 on: October 05, 2022, 02:52:02 PM »
are any pals getting their hands on the ojs early (a la dragons)
more interested in these than any of the powell wheels
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5759 on: October 06, 2022, 04:44:13 AM »
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WHAT is the deal with flip flop wheels??
Do any of you ride combo wheel shapes, I.E. asymmetrical ones like Santa Cruz Vomits or OJ Mini combos?

If yes, which way do you use them, and why?
Like, conical side facing inwards for better lock-in on grinds, or rounded side inwards for hanging up less?
Which way do the pros run theirs?

Also most of my local skateparks are plywood, Masonite and skatelite. Think kinda slippery dusty stuff, and I have a fear of slipping out, which duro should I get?
OJs only come in 101a and except for the Gregson 56mm 97a. Slime Balls come in 97 and 99, right?

Currently on Spit F4 57mm Radials in 99a. I havenít really given them the full test yet, because time. Some people claim them to be very slippery, and others perfect, whatís the verdict?
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I had meant to reply to this a while back but got distracted.


At least you pretty much have the info re asymmetric shaped wheels, but some people do like to ride them in and some out, most the normal way, as said, but they do give you the option, mini combo = a combination of two wheel shapes so you can choose either way depending on what you want or how wide your wheel to truck to deck is and other factors.


As for the surfaces of different ramps, as well as how people skate, there can be so many variables between what might be considered the best wheels for any given place.  Some people like to have that slip and slide feel, whereas others prefer NO slide unless they want it to slide, so you can easily go from 101 / 99 down to 90 duro and everything in between for the same ramp, depending on who is skating it and what they prefer.

Try the normal wheels you have (with caution) and if they are extremely slippery, then I would say go down to a lower duro than 97, but if you just wanted a touch more grip, then the 97s should be good.

The different wheel brands with different formulas will skate differently as well, but for the most part the 97s from Spitfire and Slimeballs will work well on moderately slippery ramps, but will still feel too hard on very slippery ramp surfaces.

Lower duros than that I found that the Mini Logo 95 duro or even the 90 duro were really good, kept speed and didn't slip out on the skatelite / slippery wood / other surfaces around here, whereas some other 95 duro wheels didn't keep grip on the slippery stuff and some other 90 duro wheels just ended up being very slow to roll over those surfaces, when compared to the normal harder wheels.

This was really helpful!
I think my next set of wheels are gonna be either the stupid dragon wheels, or the OJ/Slime balls 97a.
I think the shape, with the radial side outwards and the conical on the inside might be really good for sliding and locking into ledges and rails.
My only skatepark is strictly wooden stuff. In the street area it has concrete floor between obstacles, but I want to learn mini-ramp and smaller transition. Iím 35, and just started again, was never good as a teen though. Iím working up the courage to do my first drop in, and really donít want to introduce my teeth to metal coping.
Im too dumb to figure out how to make this drawing my profile pic.