Wheels Thread

[iw0]

The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.

finally the comparison i was waiting for! thanks for the write up

[Musicaldeath107]

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The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.

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finally the comparison i was waiting for! thanks for the write up

No problem I was surprised I hadn't heard any NFG comparisons yet honestly.

I don't have enough time on the 93A ones yet to know for sure if they will be my all the time wheel or if I will keep around a hard and a soft set and switch up.  Those NFG 95A are such a good crust wheel but I could never ride them at a smooth park. Early signs are I could run these 93A ones anywhere and not feel shorted.

[FuzzGNU]

Yeah, your F4 comparisons are spot on (I haven't rode NFG myself though).

The 93a are definitely good enough for park. Like you said, I don't "feel shorted". They're the same as how F4 99a feels at parks, except they are able to prevent slip outs better.

Let me put it this way: they are basically normal F4 99a wheels, that make it so you don't need a second pair of wheels for crust or transportation. Which in turn... frees up you being able to have an optional set of some niche park-only wheels like STF 103a, or some SPF 84a if you want (for extra speed), but its not necessary. If you're fine with how fast 99a wheels are, then you will be fine with these. If you like having something harder than 99a at parks, then get a set of park wheels to go with these.

[Musicaldeath107]

Yeah, your F4 comparisons are spot on (I haven't rode NFG myself though).

The 93a are definitely good enough for park. Like you said, I don't "feel shorted". They're the same as how F4 99a feels at parks, except they are able to prevent slip outs better.

Let me put it this way: they are basically normal F4 99a wheels, that make it so you don't need a second pair of wheels for crust or transportation. Which in turn... frees up you being able to have an optional set of some niche park-only wheels like STF 103a, or some SPF 84a if you want (for extra speed), but its not necessary. If you're fine with how fast 99a wheels are, then you will be fine with these. If you like having something harder than 99a at parks, then get a set of park wheels to go with these.

I don't think I'll have time to hit the park till next week but everything you've said in past posts has lined up directly with my experience so far.  So I'm expecting them to do feel great at the park. I like F4 99A at the local. 

These wheels are something special for sure.

Curious about the 95a version too, will probably grab a retail set. I have too many wheels as is now haha

[Hairy Ballsagna]

So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?

[iw0]

So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?

technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.

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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.

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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets

[Xen]

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So when am I going to be able to buy these magic wheels!?

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technically, right now - here's the thread people have mentioned too https://www.skateone.com/forum/discussion/4276/new-formula-new-hardness-90a-93a-95a

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I skated the new Bones wheels today. The 93a's in 52mm handled varying degrees of blown-out rustbelt crust with surprising ease. My feet felt comfy and I pushed less to maintain the same amount of speed as 99a F4s. They also slide very well. Spitfire has a real problem on their hands. I don't see myself going back to F4s, and I previously felt they were the pinnacle of urethane. I'm amazed a 52mm skates so well around here.

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Hey…where did you get these wheels? They are not on the Powell website. As for softer wheels, it is amazing how fast my Bones Rough Riders are. I am definitely sold on Bones/Powell Peralta for all my 93a-80a wheel needs.

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Email [email protected]

They are $30 shipped or cheaper for multiple sets

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97a / 54mm are also available. Just have to ask.

[tom]

Kam sent me six sets of wheels via next day delivery. 90’s, 93’s, and 95’s. I got 52’s because that’s what I like to ride for hard wheels. Some are in that Bones white color, and the others are the natural urethane color. So far I’ve only tried the super white ones. I’m not sure if there’s a difference in feeling between the different urethane colors

On regular street ground they’re fast and can slide with a little effort. I could push through tailslides and noseslides, but they’ve been a little less forgiving if your technique isn’t perfect and you catch a wheel as you’re locking in. Sometimes they stopped sliding mid trick but I think that’s because I didn’t try to push through the whole slide

They don’t have that slow feeling that softer wheels usually have on super smooth ground. I thought the NFG crust formula felt a little slow, but they more than made up for it by still being skateable on shitty ground. I think I would choose the Bones if I had to make a choice between them. So far the 93’s are sort of close to what I was looking for in the formula. The 95’s could be the ticket though

It looks like some people have the opinion that they skate like a 99a. Maybe I’m a dipshit but they almost feel like a semi harder wheel being a better street skating version of a softer wheel

[Landmine]

I emailed the dude about the Bones wheels, here's what he said in case it's of interest to anyone else:

"I am out of the wheels in the new formula in V1 and V4 shapes in all sizes.  All I have left are the experimental wheels with hubs which will not be produced. We chose the regular non hub wheels for final production.

If you want to try those out I have:
52mm in 90A, 93A, and 95A.
54mm in 90A, 93A, 95A, and 97A.
56mm in 90A and 93A."

[Sundaynuggets]

I got some of the 90, 93 and 95 with hubs and the 93 with no hubs.

90 hubs feel good rolling and are grippy. 93 hubs are surprisingly slippery (which I love) on black top but grip on brick and other surfaces, feel like a harder wheel in rolling. 95 hubs feel hard, are grippier than the 93 and feel like a harder wheel (maybe closer to 99).

The 93 with no hubs are my favorites. They feel softer than the 99 or 97 spots I’ve tried, and are slightly grippier than the 93 hubs, but break into a nice icy slide, much like 99 F4’s. These work fine on ledges for nose/tail slides and crooked grinds. Haven’t tried any bluntslide because there is only one place on earth I can get even close to anything blunt-wise and I have been there this week.

All the wheels feel as fast as the 99 F4’s I usually skate. So far, both the 93’s I’ve tried are fantastic though the hubs seem less versatile.

Will report back once I’ve put more time in on them.

[notinternetfamous]

excuse my ignorance

dafuq are wheels with hubs? they have cores??

[goodatmeth]

I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

[iw0]

I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

to be fair, these aren't officially on the market yet and i don't think they are releasing all of these different ones at the end of the day. more that they made a bunch of test product in different duro's and core/notcore to test things out and get feedback. but i do get what you're saying

[GetItStraitRideKrooked]

Yeah, wheels with hubs are wheels with cores.

I've tried the 93A and 95A without the hubs/cores.

93A is the most versatile wheel I've personally come across.

I was tripping on some LSD recently and was gonna skate to the curb spot since there was no way I could drive. Had the dilemma of do I use soft wheels and have a limited session, or hard wheels have my teeth vibrate on the way to the spot. Put on the 93A's that day and holy fuck I felt like I'd discovered the best all-around wheel.

These things are easier to slide than the bones 99A, but they also grip when you need them to. They don't really make sense. They don't stick on crooks, tailslides, or noseslides either.

The drawback on the 93A I personally found was they were feeling slightly sluggish at the skatepark.

Then I tried the 95A's w/ no hub and found they handle crust just as well as the 93A. The 95A don't feel sluggish at all on smooth skatepark concrete. For me, these are the perfect wheel. No sticking on crooks, tailslides, noseslides and they slide easily. The 95A's are like the "I'm gonna throw these on my setup and skate wherever without worrying about changing my shit" kind of wheel.


The only downside to these were that the wheels came treaded, but it was easy to wear it down pretty quick.

[tzhangdox]

Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

[yeahisaidit]

Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

I’ve had a couple cruiser wheels with hubs that the wheel fell off the hub. Probably not as likely on harder wheels but I just feel like it’s not having the mental block that it might happen where hubless has the advantage.

[cucktard]

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Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

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I’ve had a couple cruiser wheels with hubs that the wheel fell off the hub. Probably not as likely on harder wheels but I just feel like it’s not having the mental block that it might happen where hubless has the advantage.

Powell does a lot of shear force testing to see how well the urethane bonds to the cores, I don’t think ripping off is a problem. But I imaging the harder cores means the vibrations travel more efficiently to the board, whereas a non-hubbed wheel might dampen it a bit more.

I’m ordering some 90a and 93as myself.

[FuzzGNU]

I got some of the 90, 93 and 95 with hubs and the 93 with no hubs.

90 hubs feel good rolling and are grippy. 93 hubs are surprisingly slippery (which I love) on black top but grip on brick and other surfaces, feel like a harder wheel in rolling. 95 hubs feel hard, are grippier than the 93 and feel like a harder wheel (maybe closer to 99).

The 93 with no hubs are my favorites. They feel softer than the 99 or 97 spots I’ve tried, and are slightly grippier than the 93 hubs, but break into a nice icy slide, much like 99 F4’s. These work fine on ledges for nose/tail slides and crooked grinds. Haven’t tried any bluntslide because there is only one place on earth I can get even close to anything blunt-wise and I have been there this week.

All the wheels feel as fast as the 99 F4’s I usually skate. So far, both the 93’s I’ve tried are fantastic though the hubs seem less versatile.

Will report back once I’ve put more time in on them.

Thanks for sharing!

That hubbed and non hubbed comparison of the 93a gives me some hope for the unhubbed 95a... But I don't see myself switching off of the unhubbed 93a unless I move to a different part of the country.

[FuzzGNU]

I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.

[Musicaldeath107]

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I feel like it's such a mess they're releasing the new formula in four different durometers. Isn't that kind of bad business practice? It's confusing and a lot of people will give them a single chance, buy the wrong durometer and then just dismiss them.
Really want to try them but no idea which ones will be it. This leads me to wait until there are many legit reviews to finally make a decision, but maybe just never get them at all. I need a three hour Ben Degros breakdown of every durometer in every size.

And THANK YOU Sundaynuggets for finally talking about how they crook. So many people already got the wheels and not one of them did a crooked grind? Almost like people on slap don't actually skate...

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I agree. I really think they are going to shoot themselves in the foot and burry the 93a with all of this extra saturation of product. People are going to spread the word of mouth "oh I tried that formula and they aren't very good" after trying the 97a... When that person should have bought 93a in the first place.

Trust me when I say the 93a are like the "thesis" of what this formula is about. It's essentially a wheel that feels like 99a wheel tackles rough stuff like a softer wheel would, but slides well. They don't give a fuck about pebbles or shitty roads. Everyone should start with those IMO. It's the definitive duro of the formula. A true all terrain wheel.

The 90a is a cruiser wheel, straight up. You can do tricks with them, but it's going to feel like a cruiser wheel that can slide. A pretty niche wheel.

The 95a and 97a (with the hub cores) just sort of seem like they "didn't understand the assignment". They vibrated like crazy like really really hard wheels... And really struggled with sidewalk cracks, sticks, pebbles. I think they will struggle with that less without the cores... They are really really fast wheels and maintain speed better than other really hard wheels... They grip pretty well... But they just feel a bit strange. They are REALLY fun to revert on... But feel a bit more gimmicky, while the 93a feels like a new evolution of wheels (without feeling too different from other wheels).

I hope that all makes sense.

Also yeah, I've always been trash at grinds, but especially now that I don't have a driveway with my own grindbox to practice on anymore. Sorry I haven't been able to help with describing the grinds.

Yeah I'm curious how they handle release and marketing.
Do they actually push them as 93A etc or do they say 93A/99A?

Because without really trying them or knowing about them you wouldn't know they feel +6 on the hardness scale when riding.

Most people will see 93A and immediately say that's way too soft.

[skateviewer]

personally i don't see any issue with the multiple formulas re:market confusion at this point. if you have to email and talk to someone at the company to even get the wheels (when they're in stock) that means they're still testing and may only move forward with the most enjoyed wheels from the range.

i was able to work out some shipping to canada with kam and although they aren't here yet i'm looking forward to trying the 93 as an only wheel.

[Sundaynuggets]

excuse my ignorance

dafuq are wheels with hubs? they have cores??

Yup, cores

[Sundaynuggets]

Just got some 52mm, 54mm 93a with hubs

Sadly they were out of the hubless ones.

Everyones saying the ones with no hubs are slightly better, but exactly how? All I've read is that it seems to feel a little softer without the hubs, but how about actual performance? Any advantages to the hubs at all?

The main difference I noticed in the 93 hub vs no hub was that the hubs power slide maybe 20% more easily on black top than the non hubs, but grip like crazy on other surfaces like brick (oddly enough) whereas the non hubs slide nicely on black top, brick and other surfaces they should slide on. The shape is different too. The hub wheels are shaped like the Powell cruiser wheels (like the Gslides and the rough riders) and the non hubs are shaped more like normal street wheels (I guess fairly close to f4 conical full shape). The 93 hubs are also a brown urethane color whereas the non hub 93 are white.

Bear in mind that this is all from one day each of usage. I’ve noticed that some Powell wheels (specifically the g slides) lose all of their slide after a few sessions, so I’m not sure how these will feel in a week. Hope that helps some!

[manysnakes]

personally i don't see any issue with the multiple formulas re:market confusion at this point. if you have to email and talk to someone at the company to even get the wheels (when they're in stock) that means they're still testing and may only move forward with the most enjoyed wheels from the range.

i was able to work out some shipping to canada with kam and although they aren't here yet i'm looking forward to trying the 93 as an only wheel.

Yeah, this is the smallest niche of the smallest niche market of hardcore skate nerds. No one outside of a handful of people will know about this. They’ll have && out there promoting the new wheels and all the 50+ year olds with Flight Decks are gonna snatch them up.

[Xen]

As someone who partakes in slappies, these wheels could open up a lot of new spots otherwise unskatable; let alone manuals and just regular skating.

Cored wheels these days are fine...Autobahn, Ricta, and now Snot...you get a mix of duros that can really tweak a wheels riding characteristics (hard wheel performance for tricks, softer wheel feel for uneven terrain and vice versa); you also get an even bearing seat (hopefully). I'm not discrediting anyone, but I wouldn't think that Hub vs. no Hub would have any characteristics on speed of slides (feel yes) but rather the urethane used.

Good on PP for taking the most liked versions and going forward to market with them and not pushing an agenda or whatever, good R&D.

I'm still in for a set of 97a as I always prefer the harder wheel feel and performance but wouldn't mind a reduced tooth chatter.

[FuzzGNU]

As someone who partakes in slappies, these wheels could open up a lot of new spots otherwise unskatable; let alone manuals and just regular skating.

Cored wheels these days are fine...Autobahn, Ricta, and now Snot...you get a mix of duros that can really tweak a wheels riding characteristics (hard wheel performance for tricks, softer wheel feel for uneven terrain and vice versa); you also get an even bearing seat (hopefully). I'm not discrediting anyone, but I wouldn't think that Hub vs. no Hub would have any characteristics on speed of slides (feel yes) but rather the urethane used.

Good on PP for taking the most liked versions and going forward to market with them and not pushing an agenda or whatever, good R&D.

I'm still in for a set of 97a as I always prefer the harder wheel feel and performance but wouldn't mind a reduced tooth chatter.

To be clear (at least from my ones with hubs) the 97 and 95 do NOT reduce teeth chatter. They have the same teeth chatter, but maintain more speed while you vibrate like crazy.

This is why I like the 93a... It does not shake you up (again, like about a 98a wheel in that regard). I could see the 95a without a core being alright... But if getting rid of that chatter is your goal, the 97a might be too hard for you?

The 97a (hub) had the teeth chatter of a 103a (maybe harder even, I didn't have a 1:1 comparison). Even pretty smooth ground rattled with those hubs at 97a. However they were fast as hell, gripped well, and maintained speed on rough road. But got absolutely fucked up by pebbles and sidewalk cracks.

Gotta hear what people say about those higher duros without hubs... But don't expect it to vibrate way less than the duro it "feels like". It vibrates like the "feels like" duro... But maintains speed l over that vibrating like like a softer wheel.

If you're in SoCal or something it might work, but if you're somewhere where 103a is too hard... maybe start with 95a no hubs, and go from there?

[Musicaldeath107]

The 93A however are amazing for every day all surfaces so far. On the smooth concrete they rolled and felt very similar to F4 99A.  On the asphalt they felt more along the lines the 97A spits or maybe slightly harder NFG 95A. Not quite as cushioned ride wise but in how they held speed.  They felt equally as good on both surfaces and they powerslide and revert like a hard wheel.

So want to amend or expand on this a little.

Took the 93A set to the DIY today as well as my set of NFG 95A for a direct comparison. The NFGs are their square shape, dunno Bones shape names for shit but it's essentially the same shape.

The Bones wheels were faster, held speed better, slid better all of this despite being 52mm vs 54mm on the NFG. There is a metal box there that when doing 50-50s you can feel softer wheels really grab even the NFGs.  The Bones wheels did not grab at all.

The NFGs definitely mellowed out the vibrations more on shitty ground so if that's your main concern the NFGs still feel better in that regard.  I wanna test the 90a Bones here soon as they may dampen the vibrations to the same level and perform better than the NFGs still.

Before this the NFGs were basically untouchable to me on this surface and are still excellent wheels.

Absolutely blown away by these wheels so far. Smooth concrete park review hopefully Monday

[Xen]

I like hard wheels, how they slide and sound. A hard wheel that still feels hard but will get me over the chunky is fine with me!

[chinotto]

Here's my Bones new formula essay, I'm not sure if all the test samples they send out are the same quality cause my experience is a bit different from the previous posts.

I got 4 sets: 3 sets of 52mm hub wheels (square shape kinda like tablets) and one set no hub V1 95a 54mm. So far I’ve tried 95a V1 54mm vs 95a hub 52mm vs 95a ricta crystal cores 53mm for a 95a comparison.

Bones 95a no hub feels primarily like a soft wheel but they have all the characteristics of a hard wheel like no bounce, fast speed, and a great slide, except they’re silent on smooth concrete to the extent that it was messing with my brain and i was expecting them to be sticky all the time which wasn’t the case but i had to fight my brain on that. They slide better than any wheel I’ve ever had and don’t stick on grinds. Hard to get used to them being so silent and smooth but the slide is phenomenal but again almost silent.

Bones 95a hub feels kind of like 99a f4 maybe a bit softer. Feels more like a normal wheel to me so I preferred that. BUT they slide worse than the no hub version, like noticeably both control and initiation are harder than even ricta 95a/f4 99a. Ricta are about as hard to initiate a slide as f4 99a but control is easier. So in terms of slideability, I would put them in this order: Bones 95a no hub => f4 99a/ricta 95a (these are close to a tie in my opinion) => bones hub 95a. I don't want to try these in the park because I know 4 sure they'll be sticky on grinds.

Speed: Both bones hub and no hub versions are faster than f4 on any surface but ricta is faster than all of them on smooth concrete. On crusty asphalt bones 95a no hub are super fast, pretty much like my ricta clouds 78a. Then goes the hub version and then ricta 95a. Ricta although way better than F4 still struggles with keeping speed on really crusty asphalt. F4 are worse on crusty asphalt than all the above

I’m not sure if I want to keep riding 95a hub version because of the inferior slide but I’m going to try 93a hub and see how it compares. If I’m able to get used to the silence of 95a no hub then I’ll keep riding those if it still keeps bugging me I’ll go back to ricta or try the 97a bones or ricta speedrings 95a.

Of all the wheels I mentioned ricta 95a are the loudest and hardest feeling wheels.

I had no issues with small rocks with all of them except f4 99a I only get ejected on those.

[FuzzGNU]

Here's my Bones new formula essay, I'm not sure if all the test samples they send out are the same quality cause my experience is a bit different from the previous posts.

I got 4 sets: 3 sets of 52mm hub wheels (square shape kinda like tablets) and one set no hub V1 95a 54mm. So far I’ve tried 95a V1 54mm vs 95a hub 52mm vs 95a ricta crystal cores 53mm for a 95a comparison.

Bones 95a no hub feels primarily like a soft wheel but they have all the characteristics of a hard wheel like no bounce, fast speed, and a great slide, except they’re silent on smooth concrete to the extent that it was messing with my brain and i was expecting them to be sticky all the time which wasn’t the case but i had to fight my brain on that. They slide better than any wheel I’ve ever had and don’t stick on grinds. Hard to get used to them being so silent and smooth but the slide is phenomenal but again almost silent.

Bones 95a hub feels kind of like 99a f4 maybe a bit softer. Feels more like a normal wheel to me so I preferred that. BUT they slide worse than the no hub version, like noticeably both control and initiation are harder than even ricta 95a/f4 99a. Ricta are about as hard to initiate a slide as f4 99a but control is easier. So in terms of slideability, I would put them in this order: Bones 95a no hub => f4 99a/ricta 95a (these are close to a tie in my opinion) => bones hub 95a. I don't want to try these in the park because I know 4 sure they'll be sticky on grinds.

Speed: Both bones hub and no hub versions are faster than f4 on any surface but ricta is faster than all of them on smooth concrete. On crusty asphalt bones 95a no hub are super fast, pretty much like my ricta clouds 78a. Then goes the hub version and then ricta 95a. Ricta although way better than F4 still struggles with keeping speed on really crusty asphalt. F4 are worse on crusty asphalt than all the above

I’m not sure if I want to keep riding 95a hub version because of the inferior slide but I’m going to try 93a hub and see how it compares. If I’m able to get used to the silence of 95a no hub then I’ll keep riding those if it still keeps bugging me I’ll go back to ricta or try the 97a bones or ricta speedrings 95a.

Of all the wheels I mentioned ricta 95a are the loudest and hardest feeling wheels.

I had no issues with small rocks with all of them except f4 99a I only get ejected on those.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

I definitely had more problems with initiating power slides with the 97a hubbed and 95a hubbed than I did with the unhubbed 93a.

Seems like the hubs are a no-go for their formula (maybe it works for the 90a?).

Glad to hear the 95a are still fast without the hub. I will definitely have to give those a try. If the 97a without the hub can handle rocks and cracks, that would be a fun wheel to try, because those things were really fast.