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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5700 on: September 22, 2022, 01:54:28 PM »
What happened with those 95a Spitfire F4s that were rumored or speculated or leaked a while back?

They're in the works

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5701 on: September 22, 2022, 04:28:49 PM »
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what's up with pig wheels? i'm looking at some proline 58mm, f4s are nowhere to be found in my country in the shapes and sizes i like. pig wheels are cheap as fuck so i'm thinking about getting some, are they better that standard (non f4) spitfires? do they slide? my 58mm og classics are around 49mm now, so it's definitely time to get a new set of wheels. it's either these pig wheels or 57mm bigheads, but to be honest i'd rather get the pigs because they're cheaper and i'm going to get a set of f4s as soon as they are back in stock anyway.
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I haven't skated the most recent versions, as they have changed the urethane and production from what I heard, but the older ones were decent wheels and skated well, although like original formula Spitfires, they still had flatspot issues.

The generic versions that came out not too long ago were more like the cheaper pricepoint wheels and felt like any "blank" wheel on the market when I had a roll on a board from someone, but there are different options and different duros now too.

Might be a good chance to get them and see what they are like, as well as telling all of us too.
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I've been on a set of Pig ProLine 51mm for a couple months now. The ride and slide is pretty identical to spitfire classic formula. They are definitely not Bones rejects as someone mentioned above.


I had meant to say thanks for the info, but only remembered when I was going back over the thread.

Always good to know.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5702 on: September 22, 2022, 05:04:43 PM »
Iím entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. Thereís no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit itís tempting me

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5703 on: September 22, 2022, 06:18:17 PM »
Iím entertaining the idea of getting those 101a/95a OJs. I never skate ojs. Thereís no way they will be better than the regular conical spits I have. But shit itís tempting me

The 95a Nomads are pretty tight. But if I could trade em in I'd probably drink the Dragon kool-aid.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5704 on: September 25, 2022, 02:43:34 AM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.

Damn need these asap!!
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5705 on: September 25, 2022, 11:17:51 AM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!

The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5706 on: September 25, 2022, 05:56:46 PM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!
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The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.

Thanks for the update

Iím still down for these cause as of recent months I prefer the feeling of bones formula over the spits only cause when I got a distance to cruise not trying to be serious the bones just absorbed more vibration and felt grippier but still felt I could break out a slide no issues

I love formula fours donít get me wrong, the 99a are okay standard premium street wheel but to me the 101a are better cause they feel more aggressive for street and faster

Iím on the dragons right now and I love them! So fast, so soft, but still feels like a street wheel mostly(not as sticky as a cruiser wheel in my opinion) and if these bones experimental are a bit harder im down bad for them, Iíll pay the ridiculous price I paid for the dragons maybe more

When are these bones expected to release?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5707 on: September 25, 2022, 07:31:30 PM »
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Got a set of 97a bones experimentals today. 52mm, v5 shape I'm pretty sure.

First impressions I'm pretty into them, they're basically harder, slightly louder, less gummy dragons. Still feel maybe a little softer than 97a f4s (if my memory serves me right). Noticeably softer and smoother than 99a f4s. Still sound different and more bouncy when you throw down though. Still throw you a little harder than 99a f4s when you wheelbite, but not by much not too bad.

Skated a waxed, chunky concrete ledge it was just fine, no drag or slide issues. But dragons did fine on those too. Locking into a 5050 does feel weird compared to an f4 though, you're almost a little less sure that you're locked in because you don't feel your wheel hit the edge of the ledge as much as they're softer. But you can get used to that pretty quick, and dragons had the same thing even more

Will skate some angle iron and curbs hopefully soon and report back, as thats where I dealt with most of the drag issues on dragons and all the preproduction formulas. The sidewalls are still a bit glossy on these right now, which probably makes them drag a bit more. My dragons grinded a little better after the sidewalls wore down to a matte texture.

Dragons for me were a tired legs/dont wanna push/don't care about getting tech/rough spot wheel for me, did not replace f4s. But these I'd definitely consider making these my main wheel. So far the compromises are worth the smoother ride, increased speed and reduced vibrations.

Verdict tbd but I'm optimistic.
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Update on these skated some curbs today they still grip and drag a little more compared to f4s on slappies. Tried side by side with my friends setup that has 99 f4s. Not a dealbreaker, little bit better than dragons, and I imagine once the sidewalls wear in and are even less glossy they'll go better. But definitely a little slower and more unpredictable than f4s on curbs now. If they break in and get better will report back.
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Damn need these asap!!
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The drag got maybe a teeny bit better but not by much, I sanded down sheen on the sidewalls with some grip so they're fully matte I think thats what helped a tad. All in all they definitely still feel like a soft-ish wheel to me.

All my friends on formula fours thought I was still on the "quiet ass dragon wheels" and thought they were bouncy and gummy. Definitely still more similar to a dragon than a 99 f4. The grind will still feel "gummy" even if they go just as good on the right obstacle. Whether thats worth the smoother ride or not its up to you, sometimes it is to me, sometimes it isnt.

The one thing thats bothering me is that they're still really pitching me super hard on wheelbite. To be fair, I did just set up some indys with new bushings and they're 144s which bite easier than 8.5 trucks which I'm used to skating. I've gotten my shit rocked a few times landing hard in wheelbite and getting sent, the wheels definitely made it worse. Have some 149s on the way and hopefully that plus broken in bushings make it a bit better.
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Thanks for the update

Iím still down for these cause as of recent months I prefer the feeling of bones formula over the spits only cause when I got a distance to cruise not trying to be serious the bones just absorbed more vibration and felt grippier but still felt I could break out a slide no issues

I love formula fours donít get me wrong, the 99a are okay standard premium street wheel but to me the 101a are better cause they feel more aggressive for street and faster

Iím on the dragons right now and I love them! So fast, so soft, but still feels like a street wheel mostly(not as sticky as a cruiser wheel in my opinion) and if these bones experimental are a bit harder im down bad for them, Iíll pay the ridiculous price I paid for the dragons maybe more

When are these bones expected to release?

I think November? Not sure. If you like the dragons and would want to try a slightly harder version of those, then youíll probably love these. Both these and the dragons make me miss f4s for things. But when Iím on f4s I also miss having these on lol. Pretty conflicted overall.

Powerslides, like dragons are really really really good for the most part. Iím 100% happy with these or dragons or f4s for reverts n powerslides. Itís more sidewall drag on grinds and some slide tricks on some ledges (most of my skating is ledge tech shit)Ö and the wheelbite thing

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5708 on: September 26, 2022, 04:43:04 AM »
Been rolling on Bones SPF 84b (alleged 104a equivalent) 60mm V5 Side Cut wheels since January. I have ridden the wheels down from 60 to 55mm.
Was on F4 99a 56mm Conicals prior.

I have enjoyed riding the Bones wheel very much. At first I used as prescribed keeping to relatively smooth skate parks. As the contact patch widened I tried a hill bomb and some switchbacks. Enjoying the wheel on rougher ground while going fast I started to use the wheel almost exclusively when normally I run 78-80a on roads.

Pros
    Super hard, allows one to feel the ground below.
    More grip than F4 99a.
    Shape is very lite for a large wheel.
    Contact patch changes from classic like to conical full which is a pleasant transition.
    Wheel size overpowers crust.
    Holds up to desert southwest triple digit temps and the sun baked concrete.
Cons
    Wheel picked up metal coping slivers on the side which stayed in until contact patch reached it.
    I had one flat spot from hitting rock at full speed at skate park. Was able to work most of it out sliding on rough concrete the day it happened.
    The wheel goes from grippy to ice cube really fast. I actually like the feeling of how the grip hooks back up once in line with inertia.
    Once ground down to 56mm the wheel chips slightly.

I highly recommend this size/shape/formula combo if you like rolling fast on a hard wheel. Want a wheel that lasts longer than most. Desire a large yet lite wheel. Want a wheel that can jump over cracks/rocks firstly due to 60mm height, secondly due to wide contact patch manifesting once worn down.
I think the wheels could be ridden down to around 52mm.