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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5760 on: October 07, 2022, 05:20:28 PM »
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.


Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

 
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« Reply #5761 on: October 07, 2022, 07:46:53 PM »
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.
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Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

Good to know about the nomads, I might pass on them now. I love the OJ II combo 95a 60mm. They’re fast and grippy, but they’re also super wide which I’m not always in the mood for. I saw there’s some new 57mm 95a OJ team riders, I’ll definitely grab a set of those if my local shop gets any.

There’s one park I frequently skate that’s covered in several layers of graffiti, so it’s very slippery. I always have a set of 95a wheels that I’ll put on just to skate there. 95a is the perfect balance of grip and speed when it comes to slippery parks, but you are also very correct that formula/brand matters just as much if not more than advertised durometer.
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5762 on: October 07, 2022, 08:11:19 PM »
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Aren't Bones sPf made specifically for ramp surfaces? Don't those work?

I swear there's a hundred posts in here about indoor ramp surfaces, and I'm not sure if I've seen a single mention of SPF.

If you guys are honestly skating indoor parks so much, just have a separate deck set up specifically for that park.
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Don’t use SPFs indoors, it will be like skating on ice. SPFs are made for smooth concrete parks. I know people who use them to skate vert (skatelite ramp), but we always mop the ramp before skating it. So unless you’re mopping the indoor park daily, stay away.

I personally use whatever 95a wheels I can find if I’m riding an indoor park or other slippery parks. OJs 95a wheels are good (haven’t tried the nomads yet but I’ve been meaning to). Speedlab and Rainskates have some decent 95a offerings too, but they’re on the bigger side.
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Sounds exactly like a number of people I know and skate with.

Some love their SPF on the vert ramp for how fast and slick they are, but I have seen them totally eat it on some occasions because of those wheels.

Many of the other guys swear by the bigger (and often wider) 95 duro wheels for their boards.


Also, I am not sure if it is the different urethane mix, but the older 97 and 95 formulas in OJ and Slimeballs (usually in the bigger wheel sizes) were so much better than wheels like the Nomads on slippery stuff.

Nomads worked well on bitumen / asphalt roads, rough or raw old concrete but slipped out a lot on wood and skatelite.

I do have one set of newer smaller Slimeballs which don't slip out as much and they are 97 duro, compared to the Nomads which are 95 duro.


The formula of a wheel is almost more important than the given durometer in some cases.

What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?
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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5763 on: October 08, 2022, 08:09:45 AM »


Good to know about the nomads, I might pass on them now. I love the OJ II combo 95a 60mm. They’re fast and grippy, but they’re also super wide which I’m not always in the mood for. I saw there’s some new 57mm 95a OJ team riders, I’ll definitely grab a set of those if my local shop gets any.

There’s one park I frequently skate that’s covered in several layers of graffiti, so it’s very slippery. I always have a set of 95a wheels that I’ll put on just to skate there. 95a is the perfect balance of grip and speed when it comes to slippery parks, but you are also very correct that formula/brand matters just as much if not more than advertised durometer.



I was keen to get a few sets of the 56 or 58mm 95 duro Natas wheels.  Ended up being very popular and I can't keep a set on any board that people like to try, as they are so keen to buy them right there and then, so yes they are a good wheel for the more normal rider in that category.

Still hadn't actually skated them more than a quick roll around on everything (and they worked well) but the guys who bought them still like them, so that is what I am basing the positive answer on for those ones.








What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?


Some people love them on everything.  Others find them too slippery on many surfaces.  It is just down to what you prefer and how you like your wheels to slide or stick.


The B range is said to be 20 points lower than the A range, so if a wheel is 81B, just add 20 so it would be 101A, but as there is no true A rating over 100, that whole thing kind of goes out the window for durometer.

81B = 101A
84B = 104A

Any wheel over 95 to 97A and certainly over 99A is going to be quite slick on slippery type surfaces, but those with good balance and don't push too hard into things love them for how fast they roll and how much they can easily revert tricks that anyone else might be slipping out on constantly.

Most pro vert guys are very accomplished skaters, so they have no problem skating those sorts of wheels on anything, but the more average skater who rides them could very easily be on the end of a slip and slide more often than not, if they are not so well balanced, be it a stick thin kid or a solid man beast. 

Seen pretty much all of the categories of skaters with concussions, whiplash or broken bones from riding "normal wheels" including Spitfire Formula Four, Bones SPF, OJs, Pig and many others on slick vert and other ramps at the old indoor park when they slipped out on that ramp surface.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5764 on: October 08, 2022, 09:55:02 AM »
anyone know anything about the 'reformulated' spitfire 80HDs?

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« Reply #5765 on: October 08, 2022, 08:29:25 PM »
What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?

They’re made to haul ass in smooth concrete parks. The “softer” SPF are still 81b which is roughly a 101a, so they’re not soft at all.
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« Reply #5766 on: October 08, 2022, 08:46:19 PM »
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What's the point of the SPF if they aren't good on indoor ramps? Are even the softer SPF not very grippy on indoor ramps?
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They’re made to haul ass in smooth concrete parks. The “softer” SPF are still 81b which is roughly a 101a, so they’re not soft at all.

They are absolutely excellent wheels for the new, smooth fresh skatepark concrete. I always say that if I lived in SoCal and had a sea of glass smooth skateparks everywhere, I’d probably skate these exclusively. 

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« Reply #5767 on: October 08, 2022, 09:45:43 PM »
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?


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« Reply #5768 on: October 08, 2022, 10:10:01 PM »
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?

Both will be almost equally great for transit... but Dragons are a bit faster, and are easier to powerslide.

Once you get to the park, people on here will debate which one is better. I personally say Dragons hands down, but people on here say they grind better with F4 97a. People also say F4 97a feels harder, but honestly to me Dragons feel harder in how they perform so I dunno.

One thing I will say is I think they have two seperate shapes for the 54mm Dragons, so make sure you're getting the one you want. Ones a wider radial wheel, and ones a thinner classic shape.
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« Reply #5769 on: October 09, 2022, 02:04:01 AM »
Dragons way better for transit imo. If you sit on a lot of grinds on park stuff then maybe 97as, but if not and you need to ride over shit pavement a lot then do dragons.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5770 on: October 09, 2022, 07:02:45 PM »
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?

Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.
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« Reply #5771 on: October 09, 2022, 07:19:50 PM »
Thank you all for the feedback, I'll try to find some dragons in stock in Canada, might get the spitfire 97a if I can't find them right away.

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« Reply #5772 on: October 09, 2022, 07:20:48 PM »
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.

I say get the 56mm dragons because they have a wider contact patch than the 54mm. More comparable to the conical full wheels.

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« Reply #5773 on: October 09, 2022, 07:57:39 PM »
Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
Im skating the f4 97duro, Classic shape 56mm (now 55-54) and i really like them. You can feel them Just a little softer than a F4 99 and you can still slide and powerslide really good. Very fast on the street too. You'll be able to powerslide everywhere, from marble to concrete to street.

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« Reply #5774 on: October 09, 2022, 08:31:12 PM »
I like how the SPF 84b chirps while cornering at high speed. I can hear the wheel scrubbing and know I am at the edge of the wheels grip.
I personally feel SPF 84b is harder to break into a slide than F4 99a. Once SPF breaks into a slide the grip goes to ice very fast. I think F4 breaks out easier on smooth concrete but the formula has more grip while sliding offering more control.

As an afterthought when SPF regains grip from a slide it is just as nasty of a transition.
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« Reply #5775 on: October 09, 2022, 09:14:22 PM »
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Im looking for a good all round wheel for the shitty pavement on the way to the skatepark and feeling alright when i get there. Also be able to powerslide on both surfaces. I currently swap between 86a ricta clouds and 99a f4 classics and its a pain. My options are

F4 conical full 54mm 97a (30% off local shop)
Or
54mm dragon wheels (order online)

What do you guys think?
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Same situation as you, rough ride from the bus stop to the park, park is pretty smooth.

Dragons get my vote, I rode the 95a prototypes and they made the push from bus stop to park very pleasant.
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I say get the 56mm dragons because they have a wider contact patch than the 54mm. More comparable to the conical full wheels.

I was riding the 54mm V1 (their take on the Classic shape) and they delivered even with the skinnier profile. PP really delivered a great product, riding every other wheel brand (besides F4) over rough ground is akin to torture.
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« Reply #5776 on: October 09, 2022, 11:33:19 PM »
I like how the SPF 84b chirps while cornering at high speed. I can hear the wheel scrubbing and know I am at the edge of the wheels grip.
I personally feel SPF 84b is harder to break into a slide than F4 99a. Once SPF breaks into a slide the grip goes to ice very fast. I think F4 breaks out easier on smooth concrete but the formula has more grip while sliding offering more control.

As an afterthought when SPF regains grip from a slide it is just as nasty of a transition.
I got chucked off my board last week because of the above. Hip bone smashed my glute into concrete and sent me into shock w/cold sweats and all that funness. Turned out to be a walk it off injury.

I’ve taken some gnarly slams on SPFs for the same reason. The control factor on the F4s has let me ride away from some sketchy situations that I could not have pulled off on SPFs.

Despite my criticisms, I still think SPFs are really great wheels. They’re just intended for a single specific purpose. That’s another reason why I prefer F4, they’re good enough in pretty much any situation.
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« Reply #5777 on: October 09, 2022, 11:48:09 PM »
All this SPF talk is wild to me, since I just assumed that was the whole point of those things.

That being said, I wonder how the 93a Dragons work on slippery ramps, because I've had great luck with them on slick blacktop. Stuff that even F4 97a would slip out on.

However, that might not mean shit on slick ramps.
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« Reply #5778 on: October 10, 2022, 04:26:05 AM »
Anyone know what's up with those 95a Bones? Think those would be brilliant

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« Reply #5779 on: October 10, 2022, 05:50:02 AM »
final post (for now) about pig wheels, if anyone's interested

i've worn through the tread on them, and they powerslide worse now, but i got used to that. it's challenging to do a long powerslide on them on gritty asphalt, they worked better in that aspect before the tread wore down. they also drag on unwaxed ledges more than f4s but not that much. i haven't got any flatspots on them so far, and i've done a ton of different slides. they feel slower in the streets than f4s, i put a new set of skf bearings in them to compensate but in the skatepark they work great. i wouldn't recommend them if you skate street a lot (unless your street spots are smooth concrete/marble/granite), but they're not bad wheels, they're just worse than f4s but to be fair everything is.

i might post something more about them when i switch back to f4s, so november/december

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« Reply #5780 on: October 10, 2022, 06:35:46 AM »
All this SPF talk is wild to me, since I just assumed that was the whole point of those things.

That being said, I wonder how the 93a Dragons work on slippery ramps, because I've had great luck with them on slick blacktop. Stuff that even F4 97a would slip out on.

However, that might not mean shit on slick ramps.

I bought mine specifically for a dusty wooden indoor park. They feel slower than harder wheels, but definitely offer much more grip (while still sliding when I need them to). I much rather push a little more than wipe out all the time, so it's a no brainer for me. Things might be different if you're more of a bowl/transition guy, though.

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« Reply #5781 on: October 10, 2022, 07:39:42 AM »
I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.

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« Reply #5782 on: October 10, 2022, 10:38:45 AM »
I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.

Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?
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« Reply #5783 on: October 10, 2022, 10:49:51 AM »
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I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.
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Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?

There’s not much of a difference between the 84b and 81b. It’s rock hard vs very hard
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« Reply #5784 on: October 10, 2022, 11:03:30 AM »
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I spend most of my time skating an Evergreen flow park that's smooth.  SPF all the way for most of the year.  They are just faster than anything else.  I have SPF, STF 103 and 99, F4 101 and 99s, NFG 95s and Dragons. I have tried to run the others because they are better all around wheels, but I'd prefer to have an SPF board for here, and then another setup with different wheels to skate everywhere else.  It's just not worth skating slower wheels and having a single setup for me. 

Once the temps drop below about 45 the SPF do get too slick for me and they come off.  I'll do F4 101s at that point, and maybe 99s in the middle of winter.  I may end up on the Dragons at those temps this year because they do grip really well and nothing hurts more than body slamming the concrete when it's 35 degrees.
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Interesting, thanks!

What's the difference between the two SPF duros? Is it a noticeable the difference between them?

I have never used the softer SPFs and only use the 84b / 104 ones.   I should try the 81b/101s. 

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« Reply #5785 on: October 10, 2022, 11:10:44 AM »
I've only ever skated the 84b, they can be very, very glassy at speed, be careful.

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« Reply #5786 on: October 10, 2022, 11:16:20 AM »
Are zero’s wheels total trash?

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« Reply #5787 on: October 10, 2022, 05:38:56 PM »
Are zero’s wheels total trash?


I don't know about the current versions, but a while back, a couple of sets came through my hands, used but not abused, so still a good shape, not worn down too much or flatspotted and they worked great.

Quite a few generic wheels from completes or cheaply produced with whatever brand name on them are, as you say, total trash - best left on the beginner completes they came on.

I guess that depends on whether they are on the cheaper completes, or from somewhere that actually makes good wheels.  It can be hard to tell sometimes as I have seen some places take apart completes and sell parts separately, when someone buying a board wants an instant upgrade, but if they are from Zero or a reputable shop, they should still be good if they are asking a higher price for them too.

If Jamie Thomas doesn't have a wheel sponsor, he would definitely be making sure he has his own brand Zero wheels to keep him rolling nicely, but I haven't really looked into any of that either.


https://zeroskateboards.com/collections/wheels


Gone since 1988.  I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5788 on: October 15, 2022, 05:16:33 PM »
@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.



Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.

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Re: Wheels Thread
« Reply #5789 on: October 15, 2022, 05:27:33 PM »
@Mbrimson88 just wanted to say thanks for posting your wheel rehab with the grinder. Got me wondering if I could use my bushing shaping fixture with wheels.



Works well. I just need to make a sanding block with the radius I want so they’ll be consistent. I’ll toss finished pics up when I get it dialed in.

Yo post the radius block too! I’m afraid I don’t have steady enough hand to try with out some sort of fixture or something to keep them consistent. So basically I’m trying to steal your idea haha