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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1890 on: March 20, 2023, 01:39:11 PM »
Random thought, does anyone here only skate the 8.06x31.8x14.38 shape? 

Seems like it's always the last DLX shape left on sale racks, yet they consistently keep putting it out.  I know an 8.0 will always have some market share, but adding the long wheelbase seems pretty niche.


For the 8.38 True Fit shape, what trucks are going to fit it better 8.25s or 8.5s? The 14Ē WB seems so beautiful.
Let us know how you like this shape. Been contemplating trying it out.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1891 on: March 20, 2023, 02:23:12 PM »
Random thought, does anyone here only skate the 8.06x31.8x14.38 shape? 

Seems like it's always the last DLX shape left on sale racks, yet they consistently keep putting it out.  I know an 8.0 will always have some market share, but adding the long wheelbase seems pretty niche.

I have often wonder this exact same thing.
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1892 on: March 20, 2023, 03:56:48 PM »
Random thought, does anyone here only skate the 8.06x31.8x14.38 shape? 

Seems like it's always the last DLX shape left on sale racks, yet they consistently keep putting it out.  I know an 8.0 will always have some market share, but adding the long wheelbase seems pretty niche.


8.06/31.8/14.38 niche rat here. That little extra wb makes the difference while keeping it on the 8" range being about 1'80m or so tall

my go to 8" since 2005ish (?) just set this one up today





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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1893 on: March 20, 2023, 04:33:59 PM »
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I just set up my 8.5 Curbmanments decksÖ. Pissed.

Itís an 8.25! Not even a 8.38 itís an 8.25 right on the money. I went back to my order and looked at the sticker that both say 8.5.  Iím not about the hot Rod life.

Wheel base reads 13 5/8Ē. Length 31 3/16Ē
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Their "blue eagle" 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb has been getting smaller, now barely 8.3 in width so I wonder if that one is also somehow reshaped down, the opposite when compared to some of the other 8.38 boards that are closer to 8.5 which I ride.

Sucks if you can see and feel the board is so small.

You said "decks" so did you get more than one?
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My mistake. Just the one.


Not a worry.

Just a pain that the Maderson which was advertised as his shape with 14.25 wb has now changed to the shorter one.

Almost something to send in to DLX and ask what happened?!?


You going to skate it anyway or is that shape just a no go whatsoever?


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1894 on: March 21, 2023, 07:59:41 AM »
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I just set up my 8.5 Curbmanments decksÖ. Pissed.

Itís an 8.25! Not even a 8.38 itís an 8.25 right on the money. I went back to my order and looked at the sticker that both say 8.5.  Iím not about the hot Rod life.

Wheel base reads 13 5/8Ē. Length 31 3/16Ē
II stamp on top.
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Their "blue eagle" 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb has been getting smaller, now barely 8.3 in width so I wonder if that one is also somehow reshaped down, the opposite when compared to some of the other 8.38 boards that are closer to 8.5 which I ride.

Sucks if you can see and feel the board is so small.

You said "decks" so did you get more than one?
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My mistake. Just the one.
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Not a worry.

Just a pain that the Maderson which was advertised as his shape with 14.25 wb has now changed to the shorter one.

Almost something to send in to DLX and ask what happened?!?


You going to skate it anyway or is that shape just a no go whatsoever?

My normal set up is an 8.25. I'll just wait until I'm done with my current one. I'll try it for sure. The shape looks great. I just wish it was the 8.5 as advertised, I wanted to try something different for mini ramp and curbs at my local.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1895 on: March 21, 2023, 08:36:53 AM »
The DLX 8.75" model usually comes with a 14.25" WB, but the 8.62 usually is 14.75" WB. The new 8.62" yellow dipped Cardiel has a slightly smaller WB at 14.6", but what kinda sizing/ratio is this?

Please size the WB down on the 8.62 shape and watch us short legged kings fly!

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1896 on: March 21, 2023, 08:44:46 AM »
The DLX 8.75" model usually comes with a 14.25" WB, but the 8.62 usually is 14.75" WB. The new 8.62" yellow dipped Cardiel has a slightly smaller WB at 14.6", but what kinda sizing/ratio is this?

Please size the WB down on the 8.62 shape and watch us short legged kings fly!

Both my Krooked and AH 8.75s have 14.62 wheelbase.

Edit: To your point about the 8.62, though, Quasi also does a 14.75 wheelbase on their 8.625. That's exceptionally strange for them as even their bigger decks have relatively tucked-in wheelbases. The Quasi deck is PS and DLX is BBS, obviously.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1897 on: March 21, 2023, 08:48:10 AM »
There's two 8.75"s. one with with 14 5/8" WB and one with the 14 1/4" WB.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1898 on: March 21, 2023, 08:50:13 AM »
pretty sure it normally goes like this:
8 = 14"
8.25 = 14.25"
8.5" = 14.5"
etc.
i see a lot of AH vary between 14.25" and 14.62" for 8.75. but I have one 8.75" x 14.75" so all sorts of goofy shit is possible. its a blue meanie shape board tho
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1899 on: March 21, 2023, 08:59:10 AM »
They also run a 14.25" WB on most of their 8.5"s and then a 14.5" WB on their 8.38" models. Never had the biggest problem with this but it is odd.


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1900 on: March 21, 2023, 09:08:30 AM »
One factor that probably went into thought for Deluxe wheelbases are that they are a San Francisco based company and a little longer wheelbase helps with bombing hills. At least thatís what Iíve come up with in my head for them making an 8.06 board have a 14.38 wheelbase.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1901 on: March 21, 2023, 12:52:02 PM »
The DLX 8.75" model usually comes with a 14.25" WB, but the 8.62 usually is 14.75" WB. The new 8.62" yellow dipped Cardiel has a slightly smaller WB at 14.6", but what kinda sizing/ratio is this?

Please size the WB down on the 8.62 shape and watch us short legged kings fly!

The standard DLX 8.75 deck has 14.62wb. AH was additionally making an 8.75 with a 14.25wb about a year ago, but it seemed to be a short lived production. All of their other 8.75s have 14.62. Also, this does not inc. the AH Blue Meanie shaped deck, which is an 8.75 with a 14.75wb.
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1902 on: March 21, 2023, 01:09:40 PM »
One factor that probably went into thought for Deluxe wheelbases are that they are a San Francisco based company and a little longer wheelbase helps with bombing hills. At least thatís what Iíve come up with in my head for them making an 8.06 board have a 14.38 wheelbase.

Iíll take it.

Iím at some weird place, where I think a longer wb on a narrower board is cool, I just want a smaller overall length. I like short tails. There I said it.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1903 on: March 21, 2023, 01:16:17 PM »
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The DLX 8.75" model usually comes with a 14.25" WB, but the 8.62 usually is 14.75" WB. The new 8.62" yellow dipped Cardiel has a slightly smaller WB at 14.6", but what kinda sizing/ratio is this?

Please size the WB down on the 8.62 shape and watch us short legged kings fly!
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The standard DLX 8.75 deck has 14.62wb. AH was additionally making an 8.75 with a 14.25wb about a year ago, but it seemed to be a short lived production. All of their other 8.75s have 14.62. Also, this does not inc. the AH Blue Meanie shaped deck, which is an 8.75 with a 14.75wb.

The short WB 8.75" is still around and has new graphics coming out.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1904 on: March 21, 2023, 03:00:54 PM »
One factor that probably went into thought for Deluxe wheelbases are that they are a San Francisco based company and a little longer wheelbase helps with bombing hills. At least thatís what Iíve come up with in my head for them making an 8.06 board have a 14.38 wheelbase.

Nah, that's not it. The tails are a tiny bit shorter on their decks vs other BBS base molds of the same size due to moving the rear truck that extra bit further back. Also back in the day they had riders skating a lot of faster, bigger stuff and moving the wb out was a better move for sales than making boards overall longer as many of their boards feel smaller than they are. The DLX 8.38 is a tad over 32" with 14.5 but feels and skates smaller than the BBS 8.5 with a 14.5, which is barely wider but has a longer tail

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1905 on: March 21, 2023, 04:32:23 PM »
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The DLX 8.75" model usually comes with a 14.25" WB, but the 8.62 usually is 14.75" WB. The new 8.62" yellow dipped Cardiel has a slightly smaller WB at 14.6", but what kinda sizing/ratio is this?

Please size the WB down on the 8.62 shape and watch us short legged kings fly!
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The standard DLX 8.75 deck has 14.62wb. AH was additionally making an 8.75 with a 14.25wb about a year ago, but it seemed to be a short lived production. All of their other 8.75s have 14.62. Also, this does not inc. the AH Blue Meanie shaped deck, which is an 8.75 with a 14.75wb.


Yeah, the shorter 14.25 wheelbases and totally different stubby shape with a very short tail, on an 8.75 have only been a more recent thing, with the white eagle (and whatever other graphics DLX have put on them over the years) being as said, longer board overall with big kicks on a 14.62 wb since as long as I can remember.  I still have one from early 2000s and that size, shape and dimensions have not changed.


As to the differences in overall length, to width, to wheelbase, it was explained by someone a while back that they alternate the sizes to accommodate people who want both shorter and longer wheelbases with an approximate size of board.  I made a very long post about it a while back, which is somewhere in this thread, but not going to go looking for it this minute.

That in itself was interesting to hear, given that in one line of boards, they had so many different shapes, which sometimes got a little confusing for some people, but also gave almost everyone something they could be happy with.

That has also changed now with the addition of the very short wheelbases and the Tru Fit shapes.


I sometimes wonder how many different shapes one company can have before it is too much, but as long as they are labelled correctly, it shouldn't be too hard to work out, but if people buy a board based more on the graphic or if a board is only listed by width, things could get messy.

The regular size and shape boards are great for me, being taller, but I definitely could not ride a Tru Fit size and shape board.


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1906 on: March 24, 2023, 07:13:11 PM »
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Someone was talking about the 8.25 FULL shape the other day, not the Full SE version, so from the latest Real drop, there is one of those there.

https://www.realskateboards.com/spring-2023/





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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1907 on: March 24, 2023, 07:27:22 PM »
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There has a new one too, a variation on the 9.0 shape, now a little shorter but still a longer than average board.

https://www.thereskateboards.com/product-page/joker-in-a-pack-chandler-burton-9-0-1

Chandler's custom 9.0 shape

9.0 x 32.9 x 14.7


One other thing I have noticed is that the more random shapes seem like they have now been aligned with the Tru Fit shapes, such as the Manderson being changed, as per previous info in the last page or two, as well as the Mis registered eagle in the new drop being now even shorter as the 8.5 Tru Fit shape.

Previously 8.5 x 31.8 with 14.0 wb, now shorter.





Antihero has a new mini Grosso shape as well - Nooner at 9 x 31.8 with 14.25 wb

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring-2023


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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1908 on: March 26, 2023, 06:06:09 PM »
Random thought, does anyone here only skate the 8.06x31.8x14.38 shape? 

Seems like it's always the last DLX shape left on sale racks, yet they consistently keep putting it out.  I know an 8.0 will always have some market share, but adding the long wheelbase seems pretty niche.


me! currently skating a There 8.06x31.8x14.38 and it's my second deck of this shape. the first was an Ishod full SE board and I loved that thing. haven't seen another 8.06 full SE in awhile.

then I tried a glue 8x31.3x14 (I believe these are the specs but I honestly don't know with certainty). I skated fine with it but it felt a bit too short. so back to the 8.06 I went.

I like it, it feels comfortable, and it has a nice pop. but now I'm admittedly curious about the true fit shapes. for reference I'm a 5'5 woman with short-ish legs. I might have to grab a true fit deck from this new drop just for the hell of it. I'm still exploring what shape is optimal for me.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1909 on: April 02, 2023, 07:45:07 AM »
I got the 8.38 Krooked True Fit Mold. In conjunction with 5.8 Ventures, this has been my favorite setup ever. Itís poppy and just feels perfect! Love the short wheelbase. Great deck Iíll be sticking with it for a long time.

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« Reply #1910 on: April 02, 2023, 09:18:37 AM »
I got the 8.38 Krooked True Fit Mold. In conjunction with 5.8 Ventures, this has been my favorite setup ever. Itís poppy and just feels perfect! Love the short wheelbase. Great deck Iíll be sticking with it for a long time.
Running the 8.3 true fit on aces but itís by far my favorite setup Iíve had in a very long time.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1911 on: April 02, 2023, 06:32:18 PM »
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8.38 Krooked True Fit Mold
5.8 V-Light Ventures
53mm F4 Classics
Quantum Metallic Bearings
Shake Junt Hardware
Jessup Grip

This setup is great! The pop is so much better compared to my last setup with Aces. Not sure if itís placebo but I think Iíll be using Ventures for the foreseeable future.


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Rad looking setup!

My question with this is given the normal 8.38 is very nearly 8.5 in width, is the 8.38 Tru Fit board the same, in that it is almost 8.5 wide or is it more an 8.3 in width?

Not a worry either way, but I know some boards are slightly wider than listed and others are not as wide as listed.
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The width at the bolts is a hair over 8.38. Maybe like 8 7/16.


Thanks!

So pretty much the same width as the usual 8.38 sized boards.


From looking at the Tru Fit size chart again, I think the 8.38 actually comes out as the best overall shape, decently sized kicks for the overall length.


8.38 x 31.75 with 14" wheelbase


I know all of them are too small for me, but I look at that one in particular as that is the usual width I ride, but the other sizes should also be good for people who want a shorter board overall with shorter wheelbase too.


Other sizes in text as I keep having to go look up the chart:


8.06 x 31.3 with 13.88 wb

8.25 x 31.5 with 13.88 wb

8.38 x 31.75 with 14.0 wb

8.5 x 31.35 with 13.75 wb



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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1912 on: April 03, 2023, 05:59:58 AM »
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One other thing I have noticed is that the more random shapes seem like they have now been aligned with the Tru Fit shapes, such as the Manderson being changed, as per previous info in the last page or two, as well as the Mis registered eagle in the new drop being now even shorter as the 8.5 Tru Fit shape.

Previously 8.5 x 31.8 with 14.0 wb, now shorter.






It says new shorter wingspan with tru fit dims but kept the sticker image that has the original 14 wheelbase.
Are they actually doing away with the 14" 8.5 for this, which a few posts above says is actually 8.25? How do they make an 8.3 tru fit with a 14" wheelbase, but can no longer do an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase? Someone make sense of this for me. I just want the 8.5 with the 14 wheelbase please and thank you

Also an 8.6 with a 14.1 wheelbase would be a nice addition. An in between of the 8.5 14 and the 8.75 14.25

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1913 on: April 03, 2023, 04:54:59 PM »

It says new shorter wingspan with tru fit dims but kept the sticker image that has the original 14 wheelbase.
Are they actually doing away with the 14" 8.5 for this, which a few posts above says is actually 8.25? How do they make an 8.3 tru fit with a 14" wheelbase, but can no longer do an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase? Someone make sense of this for me. I just want the 8.5 with the 14 wheelbase please and thank you

Also an 8.6 with a 14.1 wheelbase would be a nice addition. An in between of the 8.5 14 and the 8.75 14.25


So with the 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb, it tapered down but even then the widest point was not quite 8.5 anyway, hence all the conversations about it not being 8.5, unlike the other longer 8.5 x 32.18 with 14.38 wb which is 8.5 through the rail.

As to other sizes, I guess it is just a wait and see for what comes out, or what is not made any more, like the mis-registered eagles, or the same board in that tape graphic.


One that you might like to check out, if you are down for a bit of modification is the Cardiel 8.62 shape which you could drill in the tail to make it way more like the 14.1 wb in what would be a pretty good shape overall.  The board is out in most runs, including this current one, pic below:

8.62 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, drilled down the 3/4 with a six hole baseplate easily enough




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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1914 on: April 03, 2023, 10:22:59 PM »
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It says new shorter wingspan with tru fit dims but kept the sticker image that has the original 14 wheelbase.
Are they actually doing away with the 14" 8.5 for this, which a few posts above says is actually 8.25? How do they make an 8.3 tru fit with a 14" wheelbase, but can no longer do an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase? Someone make sense of this for me. I just want the 8.5 with the 14 wheelbase please and thank you

Also an 8.6 with a 14.1 wheelbase would be a nice addition. An in between of the 8.5 14 and the 8.75 14.25
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So with the 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb, it tapered down but even then the widest point was not quite 8.5 anyway, hence all the conversations about it not being 8.5, unlike the other longer 8.5 x 32.18 with 14.38 wb which is 8.5 through the rail.

As to other sizes, I guess it is just a wait and see for what comes out, or what is not made any more, like the mis-registered eagles, or the same board in that tape graphic.


One that you might like to check out, if you are down for a bit of modification is the Cardiel 8.62 shape which you could drill in the tail to make it way more like the 14.1 wb in what would be a pretty good shape overall.  The board is out in most runs, including this current one, pic below:

8.62 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, drilled down the 3/4 with a six hole baseplate easily enough




Questions on the 8.62: (1) "Sticker" on top left says 14.6. But listed as 14.5. Anyone know which it actually is? (2) How true is that 8.62 width?
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1915 on: April 04, 2023, 05:44:36 AM »
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It says new shorter wingspan with tru fit dims but kept the sticker image that has the original 14 wheelbase.
Are they actually doing away with the 14" 8.5 for this, which a few posts above says is actually 8.25? How do they make an 8.3 tru fit with a 14" wheelbase, but can no longer do an 8.5 with a 14" wheelbase? Someone make sense of this for me. I just want the 8.5 with the 14 wheelbase please and thank you

Also an 8.6 with a 14.1 wheelbase would be a nice addition. An in between of the 8.5 14 and the 8.75 14.25
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So with the 8.5 x 31.85 with 14.25 wb, it tapered down but even then the widest point was not quite 8.5 anyway, hence all the conversations about it not being 8.5, unlike the other longer 8.5 x 32.18 with 14.38 wb which is 8.5 through the rail.

As to other sizes, I guess it is just a wait and see for what comes out, or what is not made any more, like the mis-registered eagles, or the same board in that tape graphic.


One that you might like to check out, if you are down for a bit of modification is the Cardiel 8.62 shape which you could drill in the tail to make it way more like the 14.1 wb in what would be a pretty good shape overall.  The board is out in most runs, including this current one, pic below:

8.62 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, drilled down the 3/4 with a six hole baseplate easily enough



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Questions on the 8.62: (1) "Sticker" on top left says 14.6. But listed as 14.5. Anyone know which it actually is? (2) How true is that 8.62 width?
Pretty sure thatís gotta be a typo on the site. I think the sticker is correct with 14.6 - skated one in the past and the wheelbase feels long. Donít have one on hand to measure but to answer your other question, definitely true to 8.62 ~ Fun ride

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1916 on: April 04, 2023, 06:47:53 AM »
My locals don't get much DLX- usually 1 graphic from each brand and they're gone quickly with long wait times hence I often have to mail order.

Has anyone actually had the balls to ask a shop for a specific number like "send me a III of IV if you have em"? I seem to always get I if I mail order and the difference between I and IV is quite noticeable.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1917 on: April 04, 2023, 07:48:00 AM »
My locals don't get much DLX- usually 1 graphic from each brand and they're gone quickly with long wait times hence I often have to mail order.

Has anyone actually had the balls to ask a shop for a specific number like "send me a III of IV if you have em"? I seem to always get I if I mail order and the difference between I and IV is quite noticeable.

I do every time I mail order, if they have a order comment section. This is what I send (I usually order Anti-Hero):

Anti-Hero/DLX decks have a Roman numeral (ďIĒ through ďIXĒ) stamped on the top ply, near the front truck holes. *IF* possible please send,

1st Choice:  IV
2nd Choice:  III
3rd Choice:  II
Last Choice:  I

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1918 on: April 04, 2023, 08:34:21 AM »
My locals don't get much DLX- usually 1 graphic from each brand and they're gone quickly with long wait times hence I often have to mail order.

Has anyone actually had the balls to ask a shop for a specific number like "send me a III of IV if you have em"? I seem to always get I if I mail order and the difference between I and IV is quite noticeable.


Some of the bigger places I know have lots of stock, or who show current quantities of boards are good for asking for the specific numbers, but I try not to be painful about it.

Usually just a quick message asking what number I to IV is on top of these boards in stock - then usually get a reply quickly enough within a day or so and I always make sure to order ASAP just so they don't get pissed for answering questions that they don't get any reply or sale from.

Some other places I have never heard back, but it is not a worry either way.


I got quite a few I and II on good sales recently, so have been parking on the kicks and turning them all into IV boards, which works nicely.  Yes I have flattened some a little more than I would have liked, but I would rather have a board that is a little too flat than too steep, so never have problems skating them anyway.

Before that, I wouldn't buy a board I didn't know the number on top first (and only ever IV stamps), most from going in to stores on my travels, but quite a few from places as per the start of this reply, who had more than one or two in stock.


Also I just remembered to add, not that it might have any bearing on anywhere else, but it seemed that anything with an aqua top was going to be flatter overall even in I than anything else including IV in orange or some other colour top ply.  Having about five or more now with aqua tops and they were all so very flat.  Some yellow tops I have now too also seem a bit flatter than other colour top ply, but I would not know if they went into more mellow molds for that run of boards or if there was anything else to note with them.

All are 8.38 sized boards too, which in general come out a bit more mellow than some other shapes, but from having so many come through my hands, it is a curious thing to see.


I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: DLX Shapes
« Reply #1919 on: April 04, 2023, 05:49:10 PM »
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My locals don't get much DLX- usually 1 graphic from each brand and they're gone quickly with long wait times hence I often have to mail order.

Has anyone actually had the balls to ask a shop for a specific number like "send me a III of IV if you have em"? I seem to always get I if I mail order and the difference between I and IV is quite noticeable.
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I do every time I mail order, if they have a order comment section. This is what I send (I usually order Anti-Hero):

Anti-Hero/DLX decks have a Roman numeral (ďIĒ through ďIXĒ) stamped on the top ply, near the front truck holes. *IF* possible please send,

1st Choice:  IX
2nd Choice:  III
3rd Choice:  II
Last Choice:  I

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!



This is so sickÖwas just gonna ask the same question to @Sedition, so thank you both.

I like dlx and all of their moves, except that I just donít like bbs boards, mostly because of the concave, but also because they were traditionally (maybe just my opinion), too long.
I went into a small shop the other day and they had an 8Ē Ishod twin tail, that checked a lot of boxes, except it was a I. Couldnít. And Iím bummed Iím this wack.
AnywaysÖsomeone posted the beeeest looking Krooked Iíve seen in a minute.
Iím on the hunt for a flat 8.06, I keep checking the shops that are close ish to me.
I want to support these short ass boards because, turns out, I like short boards.