DLX Shapes

[LebowskisRug]

How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

[schralp pal]

How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

Huge factories and cheap(er) labor.

Does anybody skate that AH 8.62 with 14.75 wb for their everyday setup? I’m on a 14.6 wb right now and loving it.

[Mbrimson88]

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How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

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Huge factories and cheap(er) labor.

Does anybody skate that AH 8.62 with 14.75 wb for their everyday setup? I’m on a 14.6 wb right now and loving it.

Yeah the labor costs in China are so minimal compared even to Mexico that it was a no brainer for companies to move production over there, from as early as they could.

Even with shipping containers sending wood over and bringing boards back, it still worked out way cheaper.



Although I have one 8.62 set up, it is not my regular rider, but yes the 14.75 wb is so good for people who want that little bit more stability, or are taller, or those guys who skate vert or big bowl.

Couldn't see it on Venture or Thunder, but most people who skate it (myself included) ride it with Indy 159s and it works well.  Mine currently has Classic 58mm wheels on it as it was more a big transition board, but they still work well for everything and have a straighter shape than the 8.75 too.

[Kneesles]

How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

In china they do 5+ decks per press, but they make their molds different. They have similar top and bottom molds to their presses, with separate aluminum molds with both top and bottom shapes each that go in between the decks in the stack. This is how they can press just as many or more decks with great consistency and with a minimal amount of extra labor. The cost to upgrade the current presses used in America to fit this production model might cost to much for them to modernize since they are likely using the same presses they have had for years and it also costs more to make each set of Molds.

[Xen]

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In china they do 5+ decks per press, but they make their molds different. They have similar top and bottom molds to their presses, with separate aluminum molds with both top and bottom shapes each that go in between the decks in the stack. This is how they can press just as many or more decks with great consistency and with a minimal amount of extra labor. The cost to upgrade the current presses used in America to fit this production model might cost to much for them to modernize since they are likely using the same presses they have had for years and it also costs more to make each set of Molds.

https://youtu.be/TbkLpl_jnuo?t=263 (straight to the mold discussion)

I could be wrong, but if BBS and PS Stix (who both use four per press method) went to single board pressings, production would be quartered, so an output of 25,000 decks instead of 100,000 for the same time, expenses, employee wages, etc which would make them prohibitive in price for the current model of business.

No doubt; their volume turn out would be crippled. They'd have to bring in the new presses and run them until they could fully switch over.

[Mbrimson88]

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How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

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In china they do 5+ decks per press, but they make their molds different. They have similar top and bottom molds to their presses, with separate aluminum molds with both top and bottom shapes each that go in between the decks in the stack. This is how they can press just as many or more decks with great consistency and with a minimal amount of extra labor. The cost to upgrade the current presses used in America to fit this production model might cost to much for them to modernize since they are likely using the same presses they have had for years and it also costs more to make each set of Molds.

Some have up to nine decks at a time in single press systems, whereas BBS and others have single press systems that take four boards.  To change all this would be more trouble than it is worth for those existing woodshops, but for new woodshops, it is an option to do something different for sure.

Example, this one in China (sorry for the annoying video though)

Compared to BBS

[Mbrimson88]

I always enjoyed watching that video, as it had so much good info and explained so much about how boards are made.

[schralp pal]

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How do the Chinese brands manage single press and such huge production?

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Huge factories and cheap(er) labor.

Does anybody skate that AH 8.62 with 14.75 wb for their everyday setup? I’m on a 14.6 wb right now and loving it.

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Yeah the labor costs in China are so minimal compared even to Mexico that it was a no brainer for companies to move production over there, from as early as they could.

Even with shipping containers sending wood over and bringing boards back, it still worked out way cheaper.



Although I have one 8.62 set up, it is not my regular rider, but yes the 14.75 wb is so good for people who want that little bit more stability, or are taller, or those guys who skate vert or big bowl.

Couldn't see it on Venture or Thunder, but most people who skate it (myself included) ride it with Indy 159s and it works well.  Mine currently has Classic 58mm wheels on it as it was more a big transition board, but they still work well for everything and have a straighter shape than the 8.75 too.

Thanks, Yeah I ride 159s, but I don’t usually skate transition over 5ft. Tempting still because  I rarely rocket tricks on longer wb boards. Wonder if I will be able to tell the difference between 14.6 and 14.75. I notice hopping on a ledge backside with a longer wb takes is harder or I need to pop earlier.

[Xen]

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https://youtu.be/TbkLpl_jnuo?t=263

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I always enjoyed watching that video, as it had so much good info and explained so much about how boards are made.

Yea, def a good one DSM vid explains a lot.

Here's an older BBS one.

[Richard Skidder]

Maybe this isn’t the best place for this but I think it’s better here than questions that don’t deserve their own thread:
Has anyone tried the 8.4 14.25 Anti Hero shape with Thunder 148’s? I know theoretically it will work because it’s within a quarter of an inch but I’d just like to hear from anyone who rode these two together. I just picked up the 8.4 and my shop is out of Thunder 149 of any style.

[Mbrimson88]

Maybe this isn’t the best place for this but I think it’s better here than questions that don’t deserve their own thread:
Has anyone tried the 8.4 14.25 Anti Hero shape with Thunder 148’s? I know theoretically it will work because it’s within a quarter of an inch but I’d just like to hear from anyone who rode these two together. I just picked up the 8.4 and my shop is out of Thunder 149 of any style.

I really liked the 8.4 x 32 with 14.25 wb before I moved up to longer boards.

Not that exact setup with Thunder 148s, but I would say yes to the deck and to Thunder trucks (I had 149s on it but I like wider trucks on anything) or others who have 8.25 trucks on that board and said it works well for them.

If you were worried about the trucks not being wide enough, two or even three washers on the inside, none on the outside of each wheel and that should give you a little more truck width to board, but yes that size and shape works for quite a few people, who want their deck to sit just a little wider than their wheels.

That shape has nice long kicks too, which work well for me with the Thunder or Venture truck geometry.

[Crabby_Bastard]

Maybe this isn’t the best place for this but I think it’s better here than questions that don’t deserve their own thread:
Has anyone tried the 8.4 14.25 Anti Hero shape with Thunder 148’s? I know theoretically it will work because it’s within a quarter of an inch but I’d just like to hear from anyone who rode these two together. I just picked up the 8.4 and my shop is out of Thunder 149 of any style.

Yes, I have tried it. It is a good combo, although I prefer the DLX 8.5 14.25 with 148s.

[Richard Skidder]

Thanks for the replies folks. I think I’m gonna try it out.

[Xen]

Anyone ever find something close to the Manderson but with a 14.3x WB (and preferably 32” or under)?

[europa1991]

Anyone ever find something close to the Manderson but with a 14.3x WB (and preferably 32” or under)?

Frog makes one but I’m pretty sure the wheelbase is 14.25. Some of the 8.38 shapes they have are 14.38 tho.  Here’s one’s that’s on sale too
https://www.unionskates.com/shop/p/frog-toast

[LebowskisRug]

That shape is the BBS generic shape, not like the Manderson. The Mando has a pretty large nose and square kicks and I'm unaware of any other shape that is approximately those dimensions at least on BBS wood. Maybe a mellow Quasi, but those are PS and have a smaller tail.

I did see a Baker Kader 8.38 B2 last week that was 14.38 and probably decently close. It looked mildly more square than my normal BBS generic 8.38 go-to and isn't actually much if at all steeper. There were some Deathwish shapes in the same stack that looked less pointy than Baker so maybe one of theirs is worth looking into.

[Xen]

That shape is the BBS generic shape, not like the Manderson. The Mando has a pretty large nose and square kicks and I'm unaware of any other shape that is approximately those dimensions at least on BBS wood. Maybe a mellow Quasi, but those are PS and have a smaller tail.

I did see a Baker Kader 8.38 B2 last week that was 14.38 and probably decently close. It looked mildly more square than my normal BBS generic 8.38 go-to and isn't actually much if at all steeper. There were some Deathwish shapes in the same stack that looked less pointy than Baker so maybe one of theirs is worth looking into.

I'm a fan of the B2 (oddly, I learned a lot of spine transfer stuff on two of them); all the bakers I see at that width or above are usually listed as 14.5" WB and you never know if you can trust them or not. Do you recall the graphic? Was it the furries (32.25" x 14.5" WB = no bueno).

https://holisticskateshop.com/products/baker-b2-kader-our-fury-friends-deck-8-3

[Mbrimson88]

The B2 board that I have is definitely long, 32.25 with 14.38 wb (not 14.5), same as @LebowskisRug said, but not at all as wide in the 8.38 / 8.375 size, which was more like 8.25 and a bit when compared to the other 8.38 boards I have, but I like the DLX 8.38 for almost being 8.5 anyway, so the width might be good for some people.

Just shave a bit off the nose and tail if you aren't a fan of longer kicks, or longer boards in general, especially the tail, as that thing was longer than most boards I compared it to.

[LebowskisRug]

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That shape is the BBS generic shape, not like the Manderson. The Mando has a pretty large nose and square kicks and I'm unaware of any other shape that is approximately those dimensions at least on BBS wood. Maybe a mellow Quasi, but those are PS and have a smaller tail.

I did see a Baker Kader 8.38 B2 last week that was 14.38 and probably decently close. It looked mildly more square than my normal BBS generic 8.38 go-to and isn't actually much if at all steeper. There were some Deathwish shapes in the same stack that looked less pointy than Baker so maybe one of theirs is worth looking into.

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I'm a fan of the B2 (oddly, I learned a lot of spine transfer stuff on two of them); all the bakers I see at that width or above are usually listed as 14.5" WB and you never know if you can trust them or not. Do you recall the graphic? Was it the furries (32.25" x 14.5" WB = no bueno).

https://holisticskateshop.com/products/baker-b2-kader-our-fury-friends-deck-8-3

14.38. I almost got it so I put it on top of my current board. Id try it in the future for sure. And I don't like very steep decks. I think Casper skates this shape so hopefully I can get some of his boards.

[Richard Skidder]

Already posted in the setup thread but here we go:



Anti Hero 8.4/ 14.25/ 32 II in the stack
Thunder 148
I was worried I was going to need the 149 but so far it skates pretty nimble and the trucks are turning a little more sharp than before ( not a bad thing for Thunder). Also I broke out the tape measure and the dims are spot on with the sticker if anyone is curious.

[Xen]

New Hotness

[Phao Lo]

Mis-Registered Eagle 8.25 https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/mis-registered-eagle-825-skateboard-deck/brown

Width (in)	8.25
Length (in)	31.5
Wheelbase (in)	14.0
Nose (in)	6.875
Tail (in)	6.625

[Idk]

Mis-Registered Eagle 8.25 https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/mis-registered-eagle-825-skateboard-deck/brown

Width (in)	8.25
Length (in)	31.5
Wheelbase (in)	14.0
Nose (in)	6.875
Tail (in)	6.625

Whoa.

[munchbox]

misregisted huffer next?
ill dare to dream

[Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum]

misregisted huffer next?
ill dare to dream

Ooooh that could be good... with a shorter WB like the others?

Best message DLX.

[Sedition]

Just curious for all the DLX junkies out there...what is your favorite and second favorite DLX shape?

Mine:

1st: 8.25/14.38
2nd: 8.75/14.62

[Orangepulp1000]

Just curious for all the DLX junkies out there...what is your favorite and second favorite DLX shape?

Mine:

1st: 8.25/14.38
2nd: 8.75/14.62

Hands down the 8.28" x 31.7" x 14.12"
preferably on a 1 or 2 but I'll take what I can get.
I usually grab 2 boards at a time in case I can't find one

[Sedition]

I usually grab 2 boards at a time in case I can't find one

I have a little stock pile of 8.25s...

[Mbrimson88]

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Just curious for all the DLX junkies out there...what is your favorite and second favorite DLX shape?

Mine:

1st: 8.25/14.38
2nd: 8.75/14.62

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Hands down the 8.28" x 31.7" x 14.12"
preferably on a 1 or 2 but I'll take what I can get.
I usually grab 2 boards at a time in case I can't find one

They definitely seem like a harder shape to get hold of.


Almost every second board coming out right now is the 8.38 x 32.25 with 14.5 wb, which in some ways makes me happy as that is the one I skate the most, but I know lots of other people think it is weird, long wheelbase or whatever.

[Boog]

Just curious for all the DLX junkies out there...what is your favorite and second favorite DLX shape?

Mine:

1st: 8.25/14.38
2nd: 8.75/14.62

I would say,

1st: 8.25 full se
2nd: 8.25/14.38

And honorable mention would be this price point anti hero I got a couple summers back it was called a budgie. It had a pigeon holding a ripped 20 dollar bill in it's beak. It was only 40 bucks and it had a stained top and middle ply. The bottom was regular non dyed. It was an 8.38/14.38. It was such a good shape. And I've been hoping they make them again but they haven't  :'(