DLX Shapes

[Mbrimson88]

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This might have already been covered... but is the Krooked Wegg shape (Andrew Wilson's egg) symmetrical?

Looks like the tail and nose are the same lengths. And looks very close to the GFB twin tails with an 1/8" longer WB.

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According to Tactics (not sure how reliable that is), it is a twin: 9.1 x 32, 14.5 WB, 6.75 at each end.

Yes, I would think that is the same 9.1 egg shape they have had out before for DLX, of which I have a Grimple deck and Krooked did an eyes variation on it too, or maybe an old Gonz face graphic, but yes still the same shape, with identical kicks, same angles so they are a twin in concave and length.


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These have been on that so far, from what I could see online:

Grimple work
Krooked Alt Moonsmile
Krooked Klassic (Gonz faces)
Krooked Stroll (Gonz family)
Antihero Supreme deck


Interesting now they have put a name to it, but I guess that is also in keeping with the various shapes to make them easier to identify, eg Nooner, Genius, Huffer, Anchor, Dream, etc.


https://www.tactics.com/krooked/andrew-wilson-wegg-91-skateboard-deck

Size   9.1
Width (in):   9.1
Length (in):   32.0
Wheelbase (in):   14.5
Nose Length (in):   6.75
Tail Length (in):   6.75

[Too Frank To Fred]

If its the same 9.1 egg DLX have used before then its not symmetrical. Wider nose and pointier tail.

[Mbrimson88]

If its the same 9.1 egg DLX have used before then its not symmetrical. Wider nose and pointier tail.

These two which I put back to back, 69 and every which way before setting them up do look different but are symmetrical in every way.

Having two of them to do that with actually surprised me because no matter which way they looked on their own, the tail looked more pointy, but they matched up completely.


Of course that is not to say that previous boards were not something else, but the Krooked shape, as well as the Grimple shape here are the same - compared a Krooked board recently too.  Recently being about two months ago.


* I didn't realise, but this Grimple egg is actually from 2021 as well - old stock.

https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/summer-2021/

[Too Frank To Fred]

Interesting. Wonder why they didn't/don't advertise them as twin tails...?

Super close to the Skate Samples GFB twins.

[Mbrimson88]

Interesting. Wonder why they didn't/don't advertise them as twin tails...?

Super close to the Skate Samples GFB twins.

Yeah that is what I thought too, because someone else was saying they were different, so maybe at first they were on a normal mold with a nose angle and tail angle, then at some point ended up on a twin mold and it stuck.

I have skated a few of the Ishod twins over the years and it was weird because I am so used to the different kicks, not just kick length but kick angles too, so although I never owned any, I had them come through my hands, as well as tried boards people set up.

Initially I drilled in the nose, but then drilled in both ends (drilled the truck baseplates, not the deck) and people who skate this one really like it like that, but I think I am still more used to a traditional shape, longer nose type of thing.

The kicks are a little too pointy for me as well, but it is a fun board to have around.  I would skate a Huffer over another one of these, if I had the choice too, but again that is just me.


* Forgot to say, which was the main reason I replied again - maybe it is the rise of the Heroin twin eggs that made this shape a little more common or DLX wanted to try something like this as well, which in turn gave rise to the GFB shape so brands or shops could do their own football shape too.  Or anyone else via skatesamples.com as per the options on the site.

[Troubadour26]

I’m aware of Ben’s love for Crail, anyone else feel like the Deluxe Easy Riders are just Girl/Chocolate shapes? I got a Real Busenitz deck this week (8.25/32/14.375) and everything about it just reminds me of old Chocolate decks I used to skate.

[Mbrimson88]

I’m aware of Ben’s love for Crail, anyone else feel like the Deluxe Easy Riders are just Girl/Chocolate shapes? I got a Real Busenitz deck this week (8.25/32/14.375) and everything about it just reminds me of old Chocolate decks I used to skate.

Was it the new "Fourth wall" robot hand graphic Easy Rider deck?

Interesting they are doing a number of Easy Rider concaves on various boards in these drops now on normal shapes too, but I guess they are somewhat popular so I could see them being tried on a few more here and there.





* Sorry if this is too much info / not needed below.

** I had initially typed up all this, was about to delete it, then thought I would leave it anyway.


The standard 8.25 x 32 with 14.38 shape has been the go to for a lot of the team and actually the most popular shape in general for a long time, so nothing has changed there, but the DLX colab board Ben worked on more recently was the Easy Rider concave and then made the very specific shape of an 8.25 x 32(.07) just to differentiate it maybe, with an even 14.0 wheelbase, which works better on his Venture trucks he is currently riding.

I am guessing that his special board being flatter through the middle was way more 90s era specific, which could also be said to be the Crail golden era, so it would not be mistaken to think that those boards from back then would also be preferred in terms of shapes and concaves, but that era nothing was over 8.0" either, even riding an 8 was a "big board" back then.  Standing on Crail boards more recently, they seem way more in the medium concave range to me, but then I also have some old 90s boards that are flat as flat can be, so most things will have more concave than them anyway.

Oddly enough I am not really keen on the Easy Rider concave, but I do prefer a fairly mellow board all round.  I also have not seen one in person yet, or had a chance to stand on one, but the similar 90s concave boards are just too flat for my liking.

What number was on your DLX board?  I kind of feel like all the 8.25 are a bit steeper overall, when compared to my usual 8.38 or some other shapes, but again coming from something steeper, it might feel like it has less concave.


https://www.realskateboards.com/fall-2024/

https://www.dlxsf.com/easyriders/

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...The standard 8.25 x 32 with 14.38 shape has been the go to for a lot of the team and actually the most popular shape in general for a long time...

Because it is the best general all-purpose deck/shape/dimensions in the history of skateboarding.

[Troubadour26]

yes, it’s the Fourth wall deck @Mbrimson88

it’s a I concave. & I mega appreciate all of the info.

[rikki]

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...The standard 8.25 x 32 with 14.38 shape has been the go to for a lot of the team and actually the most popular shape in general for a long time...

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Because it is the best general all-purpose deck/shape/dimensions in the history of skateboarding.

It's funny how perfect the DLX 8.25 x 14.38 is.

I've been riding another BBS non-DLX 8.25 x 14.38 recently, bought it 'cause I got in on a great sale, thought it would be similar enough to the DLX one, but something felt off, my pop was feeling sluggish and a bit heavy.

Only after some sessions I realized that the angle of the tail was just a tiny bit more mellow than on the DLX ones, possibly only by one measly degree. But it made a difference.

Gonna stick with the DLX ones from now on. Life's too short.

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Only after some sessions I realized that the angle of the tail was just a tiny bit more mellow than on the DLX ones, possibly only by one measly degree. But it made a difference.

I assume then that you always ride the same stamp number?

[rikki]

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Only after some sessions I realized that the angle of the tail was just a tiny bit more mellow than on the DLX ones, possibly only by one measly degree. But it made a difference.

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I assume then that you always ride the same stamp number?

Mostly yes. II the most often.

Edit: plus the China-made ones (been starting to get them as I live in Europe) are single-pressed if I've understood correctly, thus resulting in more or less identical decks as opposed to BBS-made I-IVs.

[Mbrimson88]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

The boards I saw were a range of I through to IV, so a good mix and standing on one, it has more side to side concave than most of my mellow 8.38 IV stamp boards, but it was fairly comfortable to stand on too - not too steep side to side, but definitely not as flat as I was thinking they were going to be.

The kicks were quite comfortable too, same angle on both nose and tail, as per the DLX page info and everything else about the board was quite nice, so I think I would have no issues skating one.


This is not at all any marketing, promo or whatever, but just my own observations, as I was not sure what to expect and was thinking they were going to be flat like the 90s concave boards I have, which are very flat through the middle, too flat really for me, so I was more surprised than anything else and wanted to post that, as I think I might have said previously I was not keen on them for that reason.

[Fifty8mm]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

The boards I saw were a range of I through to IV, so a good mix and standing on one, it has more side to side concave than most of my mellow 8.38 IV stamp boards, but it was fairly comfortable to stand on too - not too steep side to side, but definitely not as flat as I was thinking they were going to be.

The kicks were quite comfortable too, same angle on both nose and tail, as per the DLX page info and everything else about the board was quite nice, so I think I would have no issues skating one.


This is not at all any marketing, promo or whatever, but just my own observations, as I was not sure what to expect and was thinking they were going to be flat like the 90s concave boards I have, which are very flat through the middle, too flat really for me, so I was more surprised than anything else and wanted to post that, as I think I might have said previously I was not keen on them for that reason.

Idk what is it about dlx boards. They feel soggy to me.

I skated a few Baker mellow molds and none of them felt like a standard eagle or a dlx easy rider. The Bakers did not feel soggy or flex so much.

I think i mentioned this before. But DOA flat as fuck mold in 7.5 did not flex as much as dlx boards and the pop felt consistent. I still have a few 7.5 flat DOAs.
I think i want to try the Real Full SE shape in 8.0 if they make it still.

[Lou Strux]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

The thing here is… the flat portion between the two sides is a touch wider, so… more flat than you’re standard BBS pressed deck?

Idk what is it about dlx boards. They feel soggy to me.

I skated a few Baker mellow molds and none of them felt like a standard eagle or a dlx easy rider. The Bakers did not feel soggy or flex so much.

And yet… same wood shop.
You can bet good money that the heads at DLX are NOT spec’ing a lower grade product.
So what gives?
Dated product?
Anecdotally, 3 of my current set ups are on DLX versions of BBS wood & they feel great.
Maybe a bad batch?
A fly in the ointment, so to speak?

Oh shiiit… did I just inadvertently self-create an excuse to post a Wire song?!?

Why, YES.
Yes I believe I did!

[WelcomeToHell]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

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The thing here is… the flat portion between the two sides is a touch wider, so… more flat than you’re standard BBS pressed deck?

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Idk what is it about dlx boards. They feel soggy to me.

I skated a few Baker mellow molds and none of them felt like a standard eagle or a dlx easy rider. The Bakers did not feel soggy or flex so much.

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And yet… same wood shop.
You can bet good money that the heads at DLX are NOT spec’ing a lower grade product.
So what gives?
Dated product?
Anecdotally, 3 of my current set ups are on DLX versions of BBS wood & they feel great.
Maybe a bad batch?
A fly in the ointment, so to speak?

Oh shiiit… did I just inadvertently self-create an excuse to post a Wire song?!?

Why, YES.
Yes I believe I did!

Gnar if I could!

[Fifty8mm]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

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The thing here is… the flat portion between the two sides is a touch wider, so… more flat than you’re standard BBS pressed deck?

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Idk what is it about dlx boards. They feel soggy to me.

I skated a few Baker mellow molds and none of them felt like a standard eagle or a dlx easy rider. The Bakers did not feel soggy or flex so much.

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And yet… same wood shop.
You can bet good money that the heads at DLX are NOT spec’ing a lower grade product.
So what gives?
Dated product?
Anecdotally, 3 of my current set ups are on DLX versions of BBS wood & they feel great.
Maybe a bad batch?
A fly in the ointment, so to speak?

Oh shiiit… did I just inadvertently self-create an excuse to post a Wire song?!?

Why, YES.
Yes I believe I did!

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I don't think deluxe cuts on quality.
I swear to fkn god I'm baffled. Granted the bakers were a bit older.

Only thing i could think of is the short tail on the bakers made it stiffer. Less leverage for it to flex.

The AH was a 8.5 blue eagle 14.25, the krooked was a Belle easy rider 8.06 14.38 wb . The AH eagle was at the beginning of this year and the krooked last month or two ago. Only way they skated kinda alright was putting venture forged trucks. Decreasing the flat from the baseplate ends to where the kicks start. Did do a sweet back tail with the 8.5 eagle though.

[Mbrimson88]

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RE: Easy Rider shapes and concave.


I finally got to see and stand on a few Easy Rider decks and they are definitely NOT flat through the middle concave like I thought they would be, but more just smooth from the kick through the shoulder to the middle, if that makes sense.

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The thing here is… the flat portion between the two sides is a touch wider, so… more flat than you’re standard BBS pressed deck?

Maybe I just have come across a number of the "mellow mold" boards that Kyle Walker likes, or else a different mold to the standard DLX boards for the most part, because some of these boards are so mellow they are pretty close to "flat" as per anyone who stands on them, eg me to someone "Stand on this" and someone "Damn that is flat" every time.

Even I initially thought they were too flat, but I have one set up and it goes just fine.


As for the comparison between one of these and the Easy Riders, they do appear very similar when I look at the side profile pics from DLX, so I guess I had thought they were going to be very flat.

Maybe it is the sparkle graphic, or the cost, but I feel like I am good on my usual / other DLX boards and have too many of them to need to get an Easy Rider just to see what it feels like actually skating one.

At least I have info from you and others, some people like them, some not so much, so that's ok.

Maybe more than anything it was just the fact that I had not seen one in person up to that point and was not really sure what the deal was, so at least that "not knowing" is now gone and like anything I would skate one easily enough just to see if it made me a believer or whatever, but I had to say something, as I feel like maybe I had a guilty conscience.

[Mbrimson88]

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This is the sort of difference in concave between a "normal" IV stamp on the right (blue) compared to one of the "flat" IV stamp on the left (green) I have, which is pretty significant.






This is the side view which doesn't really show a lot, but the normal one on top sits up way higher at the shoulder.

[kneebone]

damn, the Easy Riders are also stamped I-IV?

[Mbrimson88]

damn, the Easy Riders are also stamped I-IV?

Yes they are exclusively still through the usual BBS manufacturing and distribution from Mexico, so everything is the same including different degrees depending on where they were in a press and I through to IV stamps.

Everything out of BBS for DLX will have the stamp, the only boards not having stamps being the boards that come from the woodshop in China, all single press and same exact concave, etc.


* Edit:  Everything SHOULD have the stamp now out of BBS, but who knows really.

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Everything out of BBS for DLX will have the stamp, the only boards not having stamps being the boards that come from the woodshop in China, all single press and same exact concave, etc.

I am not so sure about that. I have absolutely seen DLX decks at Zumies with NO STAMP (some have  had the dot), and this was BEFORE the China mfg started happening. Also, when I have seen this, it is often something like blue Oval (or blue eagle), which is normally the 8.5 shape, but it's absolutely NOT the usual 8.5 shape. I should also note, that I have never seen this occur at "real" skate shops.

[Mbrimson88]

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Everything out of BBS for DLX will have the stamp, the only boards not having stamps being the boards that come from the woodshop in China, all single press and same exact concave, etc.

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I am not so sure about that. I have absolutely seen DLX decks at Zumies with NO STAMP (some have  had the dot), and this was BEFORE the China mfg started happening. Also, when I have seen this, it is often something like blue Oval (or blue eagle), which is normally the 8.5 shape, but it's absolutely NOT the usual 8.5 shape. I should also note, that I have never seen this occur at "real" skate shops.

Ha yeah, I should have said:   "Everything SHOULD have the stamp now" cause yes I got a few price point boards in different dimensions too that were not stamped and only had the dot.

I think they have tightened it up now, but I do recall I still have some orange eagles with no stamp too, also before 2020 when I got them.

[JM]

I’m having a difficult time finding it. I thought it was a Ben video, but it might have been up here:

I got a IV, 8.25x14.38wb (Nicole deck. White, with the blue hummingbird. Very sick)

I prefer I or II, but I measured with the iPhone level tool and it’s like (guessing) .25 degrees less steep than my current skated I, with a few months of skating in it (so likely flattened out a bit).

Finally the question. What trucks are mellow decks good with: shorter wheelbase like Indy, or longer wheelbase like Thunder?

Thanks

[BartHarleyJarvis]

I’m having a difficult time finding it. I thought it was a Ben video, but it might have been up here:

I got a IV, 8.25x14.38wb (Nicole deck. White, with the blue hummingbird. Very sick)

I prefer I or II, but I measured with the iPhone level tool and it’s like (guessing) .25 degrees less steep than my current skated I, with a few months of skating in it (so likely flattened out a bit).

Finally the question. What trucks are mellow decks good with: shorter wheelbase like Indy, or longer wheelbase like Thunder?

Thanks

Longer WB for mellower decks

[mvdbosch90]

I’ve lately been considering giving the 9.0 DLX shape a try. I’ve skated their 8.75 shape a while and I love the long nose/tail and full shape. For people who’ve skated both, does the 9.0 have the same full shape on the nose and tail? And how do they compare?

[BeachChicken]

I’m having a difficult time finding it. I thought it was a Ben video, but it might have been up here:

I got a IV, 8.25x14.38wb (Nicole deck. White, with the blue hummingbird. Very sick)

I prefer I or II, but I measured with the iPhone level tool and it’s like (guessing) .25 degrees less steep than my current skated I, with a few months of skating in it (so likely flattened out a bit).

Finally the question. What trucks are mellow decks good with: shorter wheelbase like Indy, or longer wheelbase like Thunder?

Thanks

I've skated that deck on literally any big 3 truck you can think of and this is my preference order:

Indy Standard
Thunder Cast
Indy Forged
Venture Cast
Really far behind would be Thunder and Venture forged. IDK why but I just never really like those trucks.

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I’ve lately been considering giving the 9.0 DLX shape a try. I’ve skated their 8.75 shape a while and I love the long nose/tail and full shape. For people who’ve skated both, does the 9.0 have the same full shape on the nose and tail? And how do they compare?

 It does. And it's a fucking tank. 15" wb.

[Mbrimson88]

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I’ve lately been considering giving the 9.0 DLX shape a try. I’ve skated their 8.75 shape a while and I love the long nose/tail and full shape. For people who’ve skated both, does the 9.0 have the same full shape on the nose and tail? And how do they compare?

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 It does. And it's a fucking tank. 15" wb.

Sure is a tank in the 33 length - orange eagle, or similar, which has the specs below:


Width (in):   9.0
Length (in):   33.0
Wheelbase (in):   15.0
Nose Length (in):   7.1
Tail Length (in):   6.75


Then there is the newer 9 shorter popsicle board, the Anchor shape, which is 9 x 32.3 with 14.38 wb and was a little weird for the dimensions but it works as a "normal" board that is just wider.

Overall the 8.75 is a bit of an all rounder, everything just works for the size and shape, but stepping up to an orange eagle 9 x 33 with 15 wb it is going to be big all round and very long.  As to the shape, it is very much a popsicle and not at all full but not at all pointy either - right down the middle there.

Some people love that shape, maybe more so for vert or pool or just people who love big boards in general, but others can't deal with it at all, especially for a street tech type board, but in saying that, someone like BA makes it work for everything.


If you want to try something that is longer, or with longer kicks, the 8.62 shape is almost the same width, but a longer wb and overall length, with a longer tail too.  There is almost always one or more in each DLX drop and it might not seem like much, or might even seem like a step down, but it actually is a bigger board, just not quite as wide at the shoulder as the 8.75 shape.

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I'll also put a plug in for the Black Label "Standard cut" popsicles if you like the fuller nose/tail on the DLX 8.25/14.38, 8.75.14/62, 9.0/15 decks.

I was big fan of the DLX 8.75/14.62, but then I tried the BLKLBL 8.75/14.5 and was FULLY converted. The sightly shorter WB on Label gives it a touch more agility, but its width still makes it really stable. It's a fantastic board. I think LBL makes a 9.0 "standard cut" deck, but not sure on the WB (think it's 14.5), but I know they also make 9.0/15 popsicle, too. BBS wood, too.

The 8.75/14.5 Label and DLX 8.25/14.38 are my two absolute dream decks. Couldn't live with out either.