DLX Shapes

[MxsDx]

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I think overall there are a lot more people who realise that they skate better on shorter boards for whatever reason, least of all they are smaller, shorter legs...

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Man, I hate short WB decks.

Power: They feel like trying to swing a baseball bat, hockey stick, or golf club while being really choked-up on the handle--or like trying to run with resistance bands around your legs that prevent you from going into a full-on sprint.

Comfort: They make my stance feel way, way, way too cramped. Like trying to sit on airplane seat that is too narrow, or walk up stairs that have no depth and/or are too close together.

Stability: A cramped-stance makes me feel way less stable, like trying to stand with your feet together on a moving train/bus/subway.

Flick: Yes, they spin faster, but too twitchy / sensitive to me, and become less controllable. Feels like riding a Penny board.

All that said, I firmly believe that everyone has their "magic WB zone," and if you are shorter, or have shorter legs, a longer WB is going to be a nightmare for the all the opposite reasons stated above. So, I am glad those people have deck options that work them. However, it would be nice if DLX had more 14.38/14.5 WB options to round things out a bit (and not so many 14.25, and smaller) .

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Got me thinking Sedition. Care to share your height and inseam? Also, you skate Indy forged, right?

[Sedition]

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I think overall there are a lot more people who realise that they skate better on shorter boards for whatever reason, least of all they are smaller, shorter legs...

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Man, I hate short WB decks.

Power: They feel like trying to swing a baseball bat, hockey stick, or golf club while being really choked-up on the handle--or like trying to run with resistance bands around your legs that prevent you from going into a full-on sprint.

Comfort: They make my stance feel way, way, way too cramped. Like trying to sit on airplane seat that is too narrow, or walk up stairs that have no depth and/or are too close together.

Stability: A cramped-stance makes me feel way less stable, like trying to stand with your feet together on a moving train/bus/subway.

Flick: Yes, they spin faster, but too twitchy / sensitive to me, and become less controllable. Feels like riding a Penny board.

All that said, I firmly believe that everyone has their "magic WB zone," and if you are shorter, or have shorter legs, a longer WB is going to be a nightmare for the all the opposite reasons stated above. So, I am glad those people have deck options that work them. However, it would be nice if DLX had more 14.38/14.5 WB options to round things out a bit (and not so many 14.25, and smaller) .

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Got me thinking Sedition. Care to share your height and inseam? Also, you skate Indy forged, right?

I am 5’11”. Not really sure what my correct inseam is. I wear 33”/34” pants, but they are probably a little too long on me.

14.38 wb is my go-to.
14.5 is good for a tad more stability.

14.25 and below and things start to get cramped.
14.62 and above, and things start to feel to feel like an 8-year-old on a full sized deck.

And yes, Indy forged.

[Mbrimson88]

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I think overall there are a lot more people who realise that they skate better on shorter boards for whatever reason, least of all they are smaller, shorter legs...

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Man, I hate short WB decks.

Power: They feel like trying to swing a baseball bat, hockey stick, or golf club while being really choked-up on the handle--or like trying to run with resistance bands around your legs that prevent you from going into a full-on sprint.

Comfort: They make my stance feel way, way, way too cramped. Like trying to sit on airplane seat that is too narrow, or walk up stairs that have no depth and/or are too close together.

Stability: A cramped-stance makes me feel way less stable, like trying to stand with your feet together on a moving train/bus/subway.

Flick: Yes, they spin faster, but too twitchy / sensitive to me, and become less controllable. Feels like riding a Penny board.

All that said, I firmly believe that everyone has their "magic WB zone," and if you are shorter, or have shorter legs, a longer WB is going to be a nightmare for the all the opposite reasons stated above. So, I am glad those people have deck options that work them. However, it would be nice if DLX had more 14.38/14.5 WB options to round things out a bit (and not so many 14.25, and smaller) .

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Got me thinking Sedition. Care to share your height and inseam? Also, you skate Indy forged, right?

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I am 5’11”. Not really sure what my correct inseam is. I wear 33”/34” pants, but they are probably a little too long on me.

14.38 wb is my go-to.
14.5 is good for a tad more stability.

14.25 and below and things start to get cramped.
14.62 and above, and things start to feel to feel like an 8-year-old on a full sized deck.

And yes, Indy forged.

It really is down to what people skate too.

Can't talk as I never really skate vert or big bowl, but rolling around on those 14.75 or similar wb type boards, or even the orange eagle at 15 wb which is crazy long unless going fast round a bowl or vert ramp type thing for me, but other people find them just right for their own vert / big bowl sessions.

I can easily see how someone short like Peter Hewitt looks on the 8.38 with 14.5 wb, which would probably compare to me on the orange eagle (only with 1% of his gnar factor), but then the 8.38 board has been my go to for a while, even though I used to skate the 8.12 with 14.25 wb a lot and do still enjoy getting on a couple of shorter wb boards for smaller stuff.

Then I get on a couple of the other 14.38 or 14.5 wb boards and they feel great, maybe more so for an allrounder, so I get you there.

I am approximately 6'2" with the usual 874 pants being 32 length and fit fairly well, no rolled cuff or chop on any of mine and sit just about right on my shoes when standing still.


Ideal skate setups can absolutely make a session just like magic, with everything working, but a board that doesn't fit well can make things a struggle all round.

[Fifty8mm]

I hated the 8.06 14.38 wb easy rider krooked.
I was skating mostly palace decks so going from dsm steep kicks/ stiff as fuck to a mellower and flexy bbs, it seemed like the board was soggy and no pop. Skated a baker, dealt with the soggy feeling and i got used to the flex. Broke it a week ago.

I set up the 8.06 krooked again and it feels fucking perfect, v8 truck on the front with the reduced wb holes and it noselides perfect and pops so good.

I wonder if dlx is going to make more boards on that shape. Also almost feels like a twin. According to tactics its a 6.6 nose and tail. If not I'll buy a few more, 5 or 6 . Reminds me of old girl shapes, before they got the nice wood they have now. Around 2000-2005.

[Mbrimson88]

I hated the 8.06 14.38 wb easy rider krooked.
I was skating mostly palace decks so going from dsm steep kicks/ stiff as fuck to a mellower and flexy bbs, it seemed like the board was soggy and no pop. Skated a baker, dealt with the soggy feeling and i got used to the flex. Broke it a week ago.

I set up the 8.06 krooked again and it feels fucking perfect, v8 truck on the front with the reduced wb holes and it noselides perfect and pops so good.

I wonder if dlx is going to make more boards on that shape. Also almost feels like a twin. According to tactics its a 6.6 nose and tail. If not I'll buy a few more, 5 or 6 . Reminds me of old girl shapes, before they got the nice wood they have now. Around 200-2005.

Is it this one:

https://www.tactics.com/krooked/belle-806-easy-rider-skateboard-deck

Then compare measurements to these:

https://www.tactics.com/krooked/team-eyes-806-skateboard-deck/white-dipped

https://www.tactics.com/krooked/cromer-redacted-806-skateboard-deck/yellow


Pretty close all up - same overall length and wb, just the nose length really which I would say should be the same on all the same shape, even with the Easy Rider mold.


I don't know if the kicks are both 6.6 as that 8.06 shape is usually about 6.8 or 6.75 nose and a slightly shorter tail, as per the other 8.06 boards, but I haven't seen one in person so don't know.

Even just the rough measurement of your own board - hand length from end to bolts on each might show the nose is a bit longer, or might show they are both about the same.


As for the change from DSM wood, yeah it is crazy how different any of those would feel to then get on that Krooked board.  I feel the reverse - BBS is comfortable and getting on a DSM, or even a new DLX China made board just feels too stiff for me, to the point where I get so in my head about it, then I can't ride it, but once you get used to anything, it can work easily enough.


Any which way, if I find something I like, I do try to get more of them if I can afford it, because you never know.

[Sedition]

Ideal skate setups can absolutely make a session just like magic, with everything working, but a board that doesn't fit well can make things a struggle all round.

And that, IMHO, is the real "lesson" of Ben DeGros' six years(?) of documented madness: He could do all his tricks on any set-up he had. But on some set-ups, things just felt better, and thus were a little more consistent/fun to do.

I can do all of my tricks on a <14.25 deck, and on a >14.62 deck. But they simply just don't feel as good (as 14.38/14.5)...it's like wearing someone else's shoes, even if they are the same size as you. Yeah, you can walk, but shit don't feel right. If you're fighting your equipment, some thing is wrong. Your set-up should feel like a natural extension of your body...not like you are wearing shoes that are too tight, or too loose.   

EDIT: Another good analogy to WB/deck size, is proper bicycle sizing. If you're an adult, and you ride a kid's bike, you're going to be cramped up. Yeah, you will have a real tight turning radius, and it will be agile for turning, but you will feel constricted. Put a kid on adult bike, and they will be all stretched out (hard time reaching handle bars and pedals), etc. Neither case will you be really stable, comfortable, or be able to optimize the bike's performance. Get a bike (or WB) that fits you well, and shit is golden.     

[BeachChicken]

I don't love a lot of DLX shapes and wish their 8.38 had a shorter WB, there 8.25 was normal, etc.

Short boards make sense for people that want something that might be more reactive. I know dudes over 6 feet that have no issue ripping on 14.1-14.25 wheelbases.

[Sedition]

Short boards make sense for people that want something that might be more reactive. I know dudes over 6 feet that have no issue ripping on 14.1-14.25 wheelbases.

100%. My comments were only about (a) what works for me, and (b) general comments about finding what works/fits you (e.g. "you" in the general sense of anybody on a skateboard). Obviously, everyone's "own mileage may vary."

[Sedition]

I just realized that DLX is making these three different shapes.

8.28 / 31.7 / 14.12

8.32 / 31.6 / 14.18 ("short wheelbase" team pigeon series)

8.38 / 31.7 / 14 (true fit)

Man, that is some OCD nuance, IMHO, even for DLX.

[j....soy.....]

They're baiting you dude....next up, breaking out the tape measure to find they don't actually measure as advertised....

[BeachChicken]

You gotta be in the deep depths of madness to wanna fuck with a weird shape that DLX probably won't produce in 2 years. I loved the 8.25 Full SE, but they slowly gave it the worst graphics and then it was just gone.

[Sedition]

You gotta be in the deep depths of madness to wanna fuck with a weird shape that DLX probably won't produce in 2 years. I loved the 8.25 Full SE, but they slowly gave it the worst graphics and then it was just gone.

My madness has (mostly*) be over for quite awhile these days, thank god. That said, I wouldn't even consider trying any of the DLX "novelty items" until it's clear they are going to (a) be around for awhile, and (b) be in regular production. Sucks to find something you really like, and then POOF!, it's gone. However, the hairs they are splitting over those three decks I cited a post or two above is just, well, insane.

* My only real madness these days is Classic vs. Conical (regular) on my bigger board...and if I feel like skating my BLKLBL 8.75 or my DLX 8.25/14.38 on any given day...so it's pretty under control.

[BeachChicken]

Oh yah I didn't mean you specifically just a normal skater/consumer.

[Síota]

Anyone skate the horse pill shape yet? Would thunder 161's work (with classics f4, I know they will look tiny but..)

[Dan Gerous]

Anyone skate the horse pill shape yet? Would thunder 161's work (with classics f4, I know they will look tiny but..)

Someone just posted one in the setup thread, on 215 Indys though.

161s would give a very magic carpet feel. I have a 10" Grimple Twin that works well with 161s, but it's football/egg shaped, the Horse Pill shape stays wide pretty much from kick to kick.

[Síota]

Ah yeah I don't wanna buy trucks when I have two sets of 161's , ace 55's and a set of Venture 6.1's sitting in a box.
There was a Grimpé twin at 10"? Mind posting a pic of it?

[Dan Gerous]

Ah yeah I don't wanna buy trucks when I have two sets of 161's , ace 55's and a set of Venture 6.1's sitting in a box.
There was a Grimpé twin at 10"? Mind posting a pic of it?

Mbrimson88 had posted it when it was released. As often, the Tactics specs are off though, it was a twin, nose and tails are the same. It was from the 'Asphalt Animals' series if you want to hunt one down.

EDIT: I just remembered I had two, thinking I might as well in case I love it and the shape never comes back. Turns out I was half right: it did not come back since, but I don't love it that much, too big for my tastes, so I don't use the one I setup nearly as much as I thought I would and it will probably last me forever. I could sell the one that's in its wrapper still if interested. I'm in Canada though, so shipping cost might be a bit much unless it's sent within Canada.

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https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/gerwer-grimple-asphalt-animals-100-twin-nose-shape-wheel-wells/brown


SIZE   10.0
CENTER WIDTH (IN):   10.0
LENGTH (IN):   33.25
WHEELBASE (IN):   14.62
NOSE (IN):   7.25
TAIL (IN):   7.375

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Anyone skate the horse pill shape yet? Would thunder 161's work (with classics f4, I know they will look tiny but..)

I'm on the horse pill now and to back up what @Dan Gerous said, 161s with classics would be fine but will definitely magic carpet. There is absolutely no taper over the trucks, it's a true 10" across. I have Indy 215s with Conical Fulls and they still barely reach the edge.

[back smith]

Thunder 181 would be the best but not that easy to find some.

[Mbrimson88]

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Ah yeah I don't wanna buy trucks when I have two sets of 161's , ace 55's and a set of Venture 6.1's sitting in a box.
There was a Grimpé twin at 10"? Mind posting a pic of it?

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Mbrimson88 had posted it when it was released. As often, the Tactics specs are off though, it was a twin, nose and tails are the same. It was from the 'Asphalt Animals' series if you want to hunt one down.

EDIT: I just remembered I had two, thinking I might as well in case I love it and the shape never comes back. Turns out I was half right: it did not come back since, but I don't love it that much, too big for my tastes, so I don't use the one I setup nearly as much as I thought I would and it will probably last me forever. I could sell the one that's in its wrapper still if interested. I'm in Canada though, so shipping cost might be a bit much unless it's sent within Canada.

Re Grimple egg:

It's funny hey, some unique shapes come out and although I think that one was almost an attempt at a Heroin copy, I never saw any of them here in AU and I guess they were more just a one off for the simple fact that they could make one so they did.

The horse pill seems to be way more popular though, maybe also way more accessible for the most part too, so I have seen quite a few around on here and a few clips and others of people riding them.

I got one, still yet to set it up, if at all, but I have my 215s there ready just in case I do feel the need.  Thinking someone did put 9" trucks on it and it still worked well enough for them, but I couldn't find the link, pic, or video of it now.  I jokingly sat some 8" trucks on it yesterday in the shop just to see how it looked - very silly - but 9", 9.3", 9.5 all sit fairly well as a magic carpet and I think that could work for people well enough.

[Síota]

Gnars all around. @Dan Gerous I'm in France these days so shipping is way too insane. Thanks thou, I completely forgot about that deck.
Yeah I don't mind a like magic carpet but hate when it gets tipsy. I'll keep looking for something to use these 161's with. Just saw a Grimple horse pill is in the works hence my idea.

[rikki]

Confirmed after some time of skating: the DLX China decks are nice. Currently on an AH 8.25. Good pop, not too stiff like some peeps complain, solid, feels like it's gonna last. Not disappointed at all. Will keep buying, especially if on discount. Might invest in a BBS-made Eagle at some point just to compare, but as for my personal needs for skateboarding, these deliver.

[Sedition]

Question about the newer 14” wb decks.

The 8.5 and 8.25 are both listed with a 14” wb. The 8.5 is listed at 31.75, and 8.25 at 31.5. Anyone know where that length distance is made up? Equally longer nose/tail, etc.?

[Mbrimson88]

Question about the newer 14” wb decks.

The 8.5 and 8.25 are both listed with a 14” wb. The 8.5 is listed at 31.75, and 8.25 at 31.5. Anyone know where that length distance is made up? Equally longer nose/tail, etc.?

I think I recall seeing one that someone had set up and thinking that tail was short, but I hadn't actually seen any in a shop or stood on them.

Knowing how much you love the Tactics measurements, I hesitated to post this, but that seems about right looking at the overall dimensions in relation to other boards:


https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/gerwer-grimple-beach-825-skateboard-deck


Width (in):   8.25
Length (in):   31.5
Wheelbase (in):   14.0
Nose Length (in):   6.75
Tail Length (in):   6.5


Going under 6.5 tail is just silly, but knowing the usual DLX 8.25 has more like a 6.6+ tail, most others seem a little on the short side to me now.


Could be good for some people though, so who knows?

It would be good if anyone else who did actually have one knew more info.

[Sedition]

Spring 2025 anti-hero drop is up. Seems to be a smaller “drop.” Aside from the Pigeon Motion, graphics are pretty horrible, too, imho.

[Mbrimson88]

Spring 2025 anti-hero drop is up. Seems to be a smaller “drop.” Aside from the Pigeon Motion, graphics are pretty horrible, too, imho.

That current drop might just have the most diversity in shapes and sizes I have seen in the one drop though.

The regular boards, the "short" versions, this, that and more.


As you said graphics are a bit out there, but I am taking most graphics off a lot of boards anyway, so graphics are not such a big deal to me.


Were some of those short boards the reason you were asking about the length and wheelbase on them?


https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring-2025/

[franc]

Does anyone know how wide the BA 8.5 x 31.75 with a 14 wheelbase is? Is it really 8.5 or more like the traditional DLX 8.5 which is closer to 8.375 and tapers towards the tail? Ta.

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Spring 2025 anti-hero drop is up. Seems to be a smaller “drop.” Aside from the Pigeon Motion, graphics are pretty horrible, too, imho.

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That current drop might just have the most diversity in shapes and sizes I have seen in the one drop though.

The regular boards, the "short" versions, this, that and more.


As you said graphics are a bit out there, but I am taking most graphics off a lot of boards anyway, so graphics are not such a big deal to me.


Were some of those short boards the reason you were asking about the length and wheelbase on them?


https://www.antiheroskateboards.com/spring-2025/

Without question, one of the most varied drops they've done. Surprised no 8.4, though. That should really be added to the Eagles.

Graphics: Yeah, they are never a big deal, but it's always better have graphics you're stoked on rather than, well, those John Herdon abortions. 

Shorter WB: I was musing over team pigeons, and the 8.28, and unbelievably similar they all seem on paper...and was just wonder about the differences....hadn't seen the Spring drop yet.

There there seems to be some weird graphic typos, too. Anyone else seeing an "8.28" box in the middle of the black 8.12 deck (by right side the eagle's head)?

Also, did Real never have a proper "winter 2024" drop???

[rikki]

Possibly a stupid question, but enlighten me, Slap wizards: why isn't there (or is there) a DLX 8.38 x 14.38 popsicle?

(I'm aware that some of the BBS made 8.25 x 14.38's are closer to a 8.38, but that's not an official feature, and since the China-made decks arrived, an 8.25 is an 8.25.)

[back smith]

Possibly a stupid question, but enlighten me, Slap wizards: why isn't there (or is there) a DLX 8.38 x 14.38 popsicle?

(I'm aware that some of the BBS made 8.25 x 14.38's are closer to a 8.38, but that's not an official feature, and since the China-made decks arrived, an 8.25 is an 8.25.)