For Esquivel
By this i mean that you might actually WANT to read that the refugees are causing mayhemIf you are suggesting that in a thread where Im trying to show you guys how much the current refugee situation is fucking up the EU , then yes I am looking for articles to prove my point . But this is hardly difficult when most days you can find articles in all papers on how they "behave"
Now, if you are looking for sites that present Sweden's issue, just think that there are many other countries that have similar problems with refugees but the DF emphasises on Sweden's issues only to justify the horrible decision that your government has takenSweden was one of the countries who were most positive in taking in the refugees , telling everybody that Sweden can do it and will be fine . But that ended pretty quick . Sweden is there for a shining example how refugee handling and integration is a major fuck up
I believe the ny times are biased too. Why wouldn't they be? are there any newsgroups that are unbiased? in my opinion even the "leftist" sites are full of shit. Everybody has a agenda , you cant 100% trust any media
for brycickle and Hercules Rockefeller
Slightly off topic, but no one has asked the question of why private industries aren't cashing in on this? Not saying at all that I think they should. It's just kind of obvious given how big the prison and military industrial complexes are.Its the same all over Europe I think , The private comparison know the government needs the space so they hike up the prices ALOT
for excitableboy
You're kidding yourself and trying to kid everybody else here. Keep bringing up economical refugees, about whom i'm obviously not talking. Balkans need to go, how many times do you want me to say that? Just concede that true refugees are also in part economical refugeesWhat about the Afghans ? the Tunisians ? the Somalis ? the Moroccans ? . I used to have a good friend who used to go visit his family in Kabul each year . In fact you can still fly to Afghanistan for about 400 euros . There is still a issue with the Taliban in Afghanistan but is it big enough to have millions of Afghans in Europe ?
What about the Somalis ? Moroccans ? Tunisians ?
If IS were all up in Europe and it was up to the people to fight them, obviously we are vastly outnumbered in that scenario. Our armies would already be defeated. Hence my remark that such a scenario is so far from our current situation that it would be really silly to indulge you. But don't propose an all-out-war thought experiment and when I go along with it get all blas� like 'oh they ask for your house and you just give it to them like that, really?' Take your own thoughts seriously for once.
Let me put it differently: most Holocaust survivors didn't sit around and wait, or bravely fought the Nazi's. It's crazy to me that you (say you) would stick around in such a scenario
Every country that were invaded by the Nazi or the countries supporting the Nazis had rebel groups . Espionage , sabotage , assassinations
The Jewish had support groups for smuggling out jews , for giving weapons , food and other valuables to other Jews . Swedes volunteered
to the Army in USA , England and Norway . There were small rebel groups helping Danish Jews hide in Sweden
Raoul Wallenberg . He is widely celebrated for saving tens of thousands[5] of Jews in Nazi-occupied Hungary during the Holocaust from German Nazis and Hungarian Fascists during the later stages of World War II. While serving as Sweden's special envoy in Budapest between July and December 1944, Wallenberg issued protective passports and sheltered Jews in buildings designated as Swedish territory
Dont give up hope excitableboy , even if you are occupied and all hope is gone , If you are willing to risk your life there is still good you can do
You will still be in Sweden, but it won't be the same Sweden. It's that Sweden which responded cheaply to a refugee problem, then covered up the public raping of its women, then panicked and sent away real refugees.Sweden is getting fucked by the refugee situation . But its because the refugees we have changed . If there wasnt such a shit situation where Sweden for some reason has to prove we are not anti Muslim , anti refugees . Swedens government and Sweden Police wouldn't have to cover up and lie about that refugee commit crimes in Sweden
You said before that Sweden/Europe is just not ready to deal with this. You don't have 5000 extra police for this problem. That is of course nonsense. This refugee problem is a perfect example of what you have an army for. Building temporary housing for some 100,000 people is a challenge, but really not that big of a deal. Swedens 4th or 5th biggest city is about 100 thousand . You dont think a whole new city in Sweden is a big deal ? . If its no big deal why have the Socialist Party ( who rule Sweden ) Lost most of its voters ? why is there talk about a new election ? why is there talk about having the PM leave his position ?
If its no big deal why has the Swedish immigration service said they cant handle it ? if its no big deal why did the PM of Sweden come out in a press conference and say we need to close the border cause we cant handle it anymore ? Why is the police saying they need 4000 new police to deal with the situation ?
And when ever the military is involved somebody gets shot .
For Alan
Monty, you must have a really bad memory. Just check the first page for an answer to your question. If that's too difficult, here's a more recent map, with the numbers of displaced/refugees in Syria and the neighbouring countries. On top of that, the EU is funding the humanitarian efforts in the region. You would know that if you actually took the time to research the topics that supposedly interest you. The info isn't out of reach, I know this , but thats not what Im saying . Im saying ALL camps in Syria and Afghanistan and no camps in Europe . I saw the map you posted on the first page And I belive I said I was wrong and thanked you ?
Anyways some camps close to Syria is not enough, still had 200k refugees coming into Sweden and 1 million into Germany . All camps should be over there
Btw, at what point will you actually start fighting the refugees?I thought we have been doing it for some time now ? greeks forcing boats back . Hungary and other countries throwing up barb wire fences . Women in Germany and Sweden fighting back to not get raped ? Police arresting refugees in all countries for sexual assault , rape , assault , murder , attempt of murder ?
The swedish refugee worker who got stabbed to death was trying to fight for her life .
Time to start hoarding food and weaponsIm not sure about the food , but
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-assaults-guns-idUSKBN0UM27F20160108http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-crisis/migrant-crisis-gun-sales-in-austria-surge-amid-fears-of-refugee-crime-20151027-gkkdus.htmlseems like alot of people are taking you up on your advice
Also, when you start fighting (GRRRRRR!!!!!), you won't be able to pull your "I vote Green!" card, seeing as they're against violence.Why not ? If I agree on 90% of the Green Partys platform but not 10% . Does that mean I cant vote on the green party ?
Its still probably higher then I would agree with other parties platform
What if the fighting started mid term ? I cant change who I voted for . So even if there was a war and if the green party was against it
I couldnt change my vote and I would have still voted for the green party
If there was a civil war in Sweden I assume the green party would make up a new platform so neither you or me could say now what the their platform would be
German newspaper writes that the guy who filmed the vid told the paper that he did go to the police, which turned out to be false
In the DM article they say that the filmer didn't go to the police because he believed that the police wouldn't do anything,So DM was correct ? whats your point ?
SZ claims that the police are in fact investigating the incident because someone else in the car, presumably one of the attacked pensioners, actually went to the police, which is when the police contacted the filmer. The police was able to identify three attackers, all of them Afghan.Soooo ? more poor refugees that need germany to keep them safe is attacking german senior citizens and trying to molest german women ?
Oh and Alan . You forgot to answer my last reply to you . Im pretty sure you forgot about it and didnt ignore it . If you need help to find it I can post the link , or just copy paste it with my next post