The HD 4:3 thread

[CossRooper]

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I saw this nice little write up on panasonic p2 domination of skate media and the need for something new on quartersnacks this morning. this thread gets a shout out. Though I don't totally agree with the writer's outlook (I like 720p!) the article is nice shorthand for the unfamiliar and might alleviate some explaining in here from time to time

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this entire article is stupid. it sounds like this dude had to write this for a class.

sorry i feel like thats a little harsh, its not stupid its just.... idk, unnecessary?

gah i don't know. i support anyone that writes anything with the general sentiment like "skaters should not use 15 year old tech just because other people do"

I feel like the author would have liked this Jenkem vid, around 13:35 they dedicated a whole portion to people (like Shari White) looking for newer, cheaper, non HPX setups

https://youtu.be/baSnSlIYQd8?t=816

[P2PIMP]

just dropped a new part with my homie for our local shop out here in washington. filmed with the af-100/meike 3.5mm and hvx-200a for the long lens footage. i wasnt sure how i would like the meike fisheye at first because of the price/quality compared to the 8-15 canon lens but after using it for my last few edits, i am completely sold on this thing.

[Jordan Wiens]

looks to be hpx/mk1. bear myles is so fucking good zayum

[Judychamagnee]

Here's a video I shot mainly VX21/mk1. I transitioned to HD at the 37 minute mark.
HD Setup is Canon XF400/Mk1 with the Wooden Camera VX Mic
Mk1 is mounted using 2 mk1 Bayo Rings clamped together with a 10$ exhaust clamp from O'Riellys.
(This modded setup mounts directly to the camera!)
1 Bayo wouldn't work due to the inside of Mk1 hitting the camera glass so some separation was needed.
Shot in 4k and dropped onto a 1080x1440 timeline.
Fisheye scaled to about 61%
Long Lens scaled no lower than 50%
Great run and gun setup

[Jordan Wiens]

def the closest thing to a vx21/mk1 look on HD for sure. could even bump the audio levels up by 1 or 2. good lucks dude. fuck tapes

[gorf_life]

Just finished up this first vid I've made using an XF200 w/ my old ass GL1 MK2.  There's also a bit of hi8 footage in there.

Definitely was inspired/helped by this thread.  Thanks y'all.

[35mm]

Does anyone have experience with any of the following fisheyes?

• Tokina SZ 8mm F2.8 Fisheye MF
• 7artisans 7.5mm F2.8 II
• TTArtisan 7.5mm f/2

I am looking for a fisheye with a image circle big enough to film 16:9 with a full frame camera (no crop) and be able to crop to 4:3 without much vignetting. The 7artisans and the TTartisans don't have removable lenshoods so some cutting will be neccesary. The tokina looks promising despite not being the best optical quality, I think for video it is enough.

Other options are the tokina 10-17 mm (does anyone here use it?) and the canon 8-15 mm (the best but also the most expensive).

I also accept suggestions for a fisheye with a image circle big enough to film 16:9 with an aps-c camera (1.5x crop) and be able to crop to 4:3 without much vignetting.

[donkey]

Just finished up this first vid I've made using an XF200 w/ my old ass GL1 MK2.  There's also a bit of hi8 footage in there.

Definitely was inspired/helped by this thread.  Thanks y'all.

really enjoyed this vid man. i keep leaning towards going for the canon xf200/mk1 set-up and all the footage i see just makes me want it more. do you color grade your footage at all? the only think i don't like is the kinda bland colors and if i had one i would probably go for a color profile that makes it even more washed out (think of like a vx1000 with the color option turned all the way down) or one that makes it more saturated

[gorf_life]

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Just finished up this first vid I've made using an XF200 w/ my old ass GL1 MK2.  There's also a bit of hi8 footage in there.

Definitely was inspired/helped by this thread.  Thanks y'all.

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really enjoyed this vid man. i keep leaning towards going for the canon xf200/mk1 set-up and all the footage i see just makes me want it more. do you color grade your footage at all? the only think i don't like is the kinda bland colors and if i had one i would probably go for a color profile that makes it even more washed out (think of like a vx1000 with the color option turned all the way down) or one that makes it more saturated

Thanks! 

No, i do not color grade at all.  The camera is using the default color profile.  What you see here is exactly what comes out of the camera.

I used to do a lot of grading, but I've moved onto the philosophy of spending as little time as possible working on a vid because everything is so disposable in 2022.  The XF200 really helps in this regard of no longer having to capture tapes.  Just mark in camera, and transfer only the clips marked.  It's heavenly.

[Jordan Wiens]

always love seeing max murphy footage <3 couple things. def gotta get some sort of mic for it, even if its as cheap as a rode video micro (soft wheels will help line audio too). bumping sharpness up in cam or a little in post will help a lot, using a high shutter speed of at least 500 will help too. and take off the lens hood of the MK2 and leave it inside the lens cap so you dont get that weird vignetting. and again more max murphy! love that dudes skating

[gorf_life]

always love seeing max murphy footage <3 couple things. def gotta get some sort of mic for it, even if its as cheap as a rode video micro (soft wheels will help line audio too). bumping sharpness up in cam or a little in post will help a lot, using a high shutter speed of at least 500 will help too. and take off the lens hood of the MK2 and leave it inside the lens cap so you dont get that weird vignetting. and again more max murphy! love that dudes skating

Thanks for watching!  I actually purposefully avoid using 1/500, I want to avoid the soap opera video look. 

I have a Rode video mic from the SLR days.  Not sure how I could mount the thing up without it dong'n out into the fish eye footage.  I'll have to brainstorm.

Noted on sharpness, I noticed it was kind of soft.

Always plenty more of Max to come.  He is never not skating.

[CossRooper]

just dropped a new part with my homie for our local shop out here in washington. filmed with the af-100/meike 3.5mm and hvx-200a for the long lens footage. i wasnt sure how i would like the meike fisheye at first because of the price/quality compared to the 8-15 canon lens but after using it for my last few edits, i am completely sold on this thing.

somehow I missed this. great fucking clip dude. fish looks awesome, whole thing looks great

and as always:

fuck tapes

[Thejumpoff]

Here’s a test clip of my pretty budget setup that is kind of the poor man’s version of bataards setup. It’s a Sony cx900 (non 4K version of an ax100. Still shoots 1080 60p). 37mm opteka and a Sony ms908c mic. Still need to play around with the settings more, but looks pretty solid.



Pic of the setup

[CossRooper]

Here’s a test clip of my pretty budget setup that is kind of the poor man’s version of bataards setup. It’s a Sony cx900 (non 4K version of an ax100. Still shoots 1080 60p). 37mm opteka and a Sony ms908c mic. Still need to play around with the settings more, but looks pretty solid.



Pic of the setup

Looks really good and that compact ass setup looks fun to use. i'm also on the 37mm opteka/MS908 combo just with a panasonic camcorder. your vig def looks sharper than mine. is that a huge ass spacer on there?

What setting do you put the ms908 on? 90 degrees or 120? I never remember which one i set it to and one definitely sounds better than the other. I need to do some proper tests.

Also, if you set your timeline to 1080p or even higher, youtube will give you higher bitrates so your footage will look better in the youtube player.

[Thejumpoff]

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Here’s a test clip of my pretty budget setup that is kind of the poor man’s version of bataards setup. It’s a Sony cx900 (non 4K version of an ax100. Still shoots 1080 60p). 37mm opteka and a Sony ms908c mic. Still need to play around with the settings more, but looks pretty solid.



Pic of the setup

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Looks really good and that compact ass setup looks fun to use. i'm also on the 37mm opteka/MS908 combo just with a panasonic camcorder. your vig def looks sharper than mine. is that a huge ass spacer on there?

What setting do you put the ms908 on? 90 degrees or 120? I never remember which one i set it to and one definitely sounds better than the other. I need to do some proper tests.

Also, if you set your timeline to 1080p or even higher, youtube will give you higher bitrates so your footage will look better in the youtube player.

Thanks for the info to get YouTube to have higher bitrates. On the mic I have been putting it on 120, but don’t really know the difference between the two.

I had the same Panasonic camera you had and the vig was always a little blurry for me as well. I’ve gotten really sharp vig on a canon g40, but due to the type of stabilizer it uses the vig would shake a little even with the stabilizer off. On the cx900 I am just using a 62-37 step down ring. And then scaling footage about 122%
I don’t love the settings on this camera compared to the canon, but dig the output and the non shakey vig

[CossRooper]

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Here’s a test clip of my pretty budget setup that is kind of the poor man’s version of bataards setup. It’s a Sony cx900 (non 4K version of an ax100. Still shoots 1080 60p). 37mm opteka and a Sony ms908c mic. Still need to play around with the settings more, but looks pretty solid.



Pic of the setup

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Looks really good and that compact ass setup looks fun to use. i'm also on the 37mm opteka/MS908 combo just with a panasonic camcorder. your vig def looks sharper than mine. is that a huge ass spacer on there?

What setting do you put the ms908 on? 90 degrees or 120? I never remember which one i set it to and one definitely sounds better than the other. I need to do some proper tests.

Also, if you set your timeline to 1080p or even higher, youtube will give you higher bitrates so your footage will look better in the youtube player.

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Thanks for the info to get YouTube to have higher bitrates. On the mic I have been putting it on 120, but don’t really know the difference between the two.

I had the same Panasonic camera you had and the vig was always a little blurry for me as well. I’ve gotten really sharp vig on a canon g40, but due to the type of stabilizer it uses the vig would shake a little even with the stabilizer off. On the cx900 I am just using a 62-37 step down ring. And then scaling footage about 122%
I don’t love the settings on this camera compared to the canon, but dig the output and the non shakey vig

Interesting, thanks for sharing all this, might help many others who might go down the same path trying to find an older affordable cam. I have been looking at the Canon HF-G series for months but that vig situation makes it kind of a non starter.

a microphone thread is probably necessary too...

[Thejumpoff]

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Here’s a test clip of my pretty budget setup that is kind of the poor man’s version of bataards setup. It’s a Sony cx900 (non 4K version of an ax100. Still shoots 1080 60p). 37mm opteka and a Sony ms908c mic. Still need to play around with the settings more, but looks pretty solid.

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Looks really good and that compact ass setup looks fun to use. i'm also on the 37mm opteka/MS908 combo just with a panasonic camcorder. your vig def looks sharper than mine. is that a huge ass spacer on there?

What setting do you put the ms908 on? 90 degrees or 120? I never remember which one i set it to and one definitely sounds better than the other. I need to do some proper tests.

Also, if you set your timeline to 1080p or even higher, youtube will give you higher bitrates so your footage will look better in the youtube player.

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Thanks for the info to get YouTube to have higher bitrates. On the mic I have been putting it on 120, but don’t really know the difference between the two.

I had the same Panasonic camera you had and the vig was always a little blurry for me as well. I’ve gotten really sharp vig on a canon g40, but due to the type of stabilizer it uses the vig would shake a little even with the stabilizer off. On the cx900 I am just using a 62-37 step down ring. And then scaling footage about 122%
I don’t love the settings on this camera compared to the canon, but dig the output and the non shakey vig

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Interesting, thanks for sharing all this, might help many others who might go down the same path trying to find an older affordable cam. I have been looking at the Canon HF-G series for months but that vig situation makes it kind of a non starter.

a microphone thread is probably necessary too...

Here’s a test of the g40. It’s not horrible but if you stare at the vig it shakes a bit when you start pushing fast/hit bumps. Could also just use a vig overlay with it. If that doesn’t bother You can currently get a xa20 for like 425 on eBay without the handle and just make your own. My friend had one and it’s almost exactly the same as the g30-g40

[Thejumpoff]

Does anyone have experience with any of the following fisheyes?

• Tokina SZ 8mm F2.8 Fisheye MF
• 7artisans 7.5mm F2.8 II
• TTArtisan 7.5mm f/2

I am looking for a fisheye with a image circle big enough to film 16:9 with a full frame camera (no crop) and be able to crop to 4:3 without much vignetting. The 7artisans and the TTartisans don't have removable lenshoods so some cutting will be neccesary. The tokina looks promising despite not being the best optical quality, I think for video it is enough.

Other options are the tokina 10-17 mm (does anyone here use it?) and the canon 8-15 mm (the best but also the most expensive).

I also accept suggestions for a fisheye with a image circle big enough to film 16:9 with an aps-c camera (1.5x crop) and be able to crop to 4:3 without much vignetting.

Saw this online about running an 8mm Samyang on a full frame. Probably pretty similar lens to the Tokina. Would love to see how the Tokina looks.

https://www.panotwins.de/mmatern_20150610_8410_walimex8mmonff_web-2/

[kevfromflorida]

Really diggin this vid from Florida homies 






Hvx200 filmed by Ben Eubank

[donkey]

Really diggin this vid from Florida homies 






Hvx200 filmed by Ben Eubank

These guys are the best, Ben is the GOAT

[CossRooper]

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Really diggin this vid from Florida homies 

Hvx200 filmed by Ben Eubank

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These guys are the best, Ben is the GOAT

+1. great clip great squad

[kevfromflorida]

Hpx 4:3 from ABQ and Colorado
Some clips are 480i and a lot of scene file trial and error.
Classic throwaway vid. Enjoy 💖

[JMSneep]

My new 4:3 HD video "Hollandsch Diep" just came out.

GH5 - Meike 3.5

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My new 4:3 HD video "Hollandsch Diep" just came out.

GH5 - Meike 3.5

Very sickkk !
Filmed in 4K 4:3 ratio then stab+fake vig in post ?
What about long lense ?

[JMSneep]

Yes, filmed in 1080P though

And Sony AX700 for longlens

Black Magic Micro for all the inbetween

[this_VX_is_dead]

Longtime lurker, first time poster, only because i think i might have something usefull to contribute incase anyone is contemplating on a gh5 setup:

This project was filmed on two different gh5 setups, so you can compare them both:



About 20% was filmed by my friend with the more standard, yet more expensive setup:
- lumix gh5
- fisheye: canon 8-15mm (adapter required)
- longlense: canon 24-105mm (adapter required)
- adapter: Metabones speedbooster ultra 0.71x
- handle: eazy handle V2
- mic: wooden camera vx-mic

And about 80% was filmed with my cheaper setup:
- lumix gh5
- fisheye: samyang 7.5mm f/3.5-22MFT (no adapter required)
- longlense: canon 24-105mm (adapter required)
- adapter: viltrox 0.71x
- handle: small rig with the record button on top.
- mic: wooden camera vx-mic

By getting the cheaper fisheye, adapter and handle i was able to save roughly $2500 without losing too much quality in the footage (or so i believe). You can compare both setups in the clip:
- The fisheye footage with vig and longlense 2nd angles on tricks where the fisheye has no vig was all shot my friends setup.
- The fisheye without vig and pretty much all longlense footage was shot on my cheaper setup (you could add a fake vig in post if you'd want to).

This was my first experience filming HD after filming 15 years with a vx, so i was still figuring out the settings and getting a feel for the setup. And the footage looks nowhere near as nice as footage filmed with a sony fx6 (but thats a whole other price range). But all in all, i’m very happy with this setup and value for money it offers.

I hope this helps someone!
Cheers

[Burton Ernie]

short vid from one our local DIYs in Oklahoma City:



I use a Canon XA20, Century Mk 1, and a Rode StereoMic

P.S.: anyone know how to turn off ads on a video that I own all the rights to? I don't want YouTube's bullshit ads on my videos.

[doyle]

A quick edit from yesterday with GH5/8-15mm and XA11 (+ VX Mic).



Does anyone use a GH5/Speedbooster and have any experience with it feeling a little bit wobbly/loose? You can see the vignetting shake around a little bit in some clips (a couple clips were really bad and I just fixed the vig with a mask).

[Jordan Wiens]

Does anyone use a GH5/Speedbooster and have any experience with it feeling a little bit wobbly/loose? You can see the vignetting shake around a little bit in some clips (a couple clips were really bad and I just fixed the vig with a mask).

you could add a lens support if your cage allows it? kind of like the rail system on an hpx

[doyle]

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Does anyone use a GH5/Speedbooster and have any experience with it feeling a little bit wobbly/loose? You can see the vignetting shake around a little bit in some clips (a couple clips were really bad and I just fixed the vig with a mask).

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you could add a lens support if your cage allows it? kind of like the rail system on an hpx

Good suggestion! I have this little extension mount thing that I used for VX1/MRC1 that is almost perfect. The Metabones screw mount is a little higher up than the mount under the Eazy Handle that I use so it doesn't sit perfectly flush, but until I can track down a longer screw this is pretty much perfect!