Vans. Core pass or not?

[Cherb]

I'm down with going to the vans outlet putting solid/two tone shoes in boxes that have crazy printed shoes and getting them on the cheap.

How does this work? I don't think I've ever bought shoes anywhere without them opening the box of shoes when you're checking them out.

[Hefe43]

you gotta find boxes with similar shoes...keep your vulcs in vulc boxes, red shoes in cheaper red shoe boxes, lx shoes in lx boxes. Skating knowledge puts you at an advantage over civilians. Era, Era pros, and authentics are interchangeable to a minimum wage person who doesn't really care about their job anyway and doesn't skate. You gotta avoid the managers too. I always go for any chubby Hispanic girl that works at the outlet in Camarillo. I don't consider myself handsome but chubby girls always like me, I hate it, but just talk to them about anything while they're checking you out. Make them laugh and they give no fucks about shoes they barely know anything about. I once had a manager catch me with the wrong box and I just played it off like that's how it was and just didn't get that pair but without her catching me I wouldn't have upped my scheming game so it was a win in the long run...I don't know about other vans outlets but they rip the tops of the boxes in Camarillo so there's no need to open a box. I have like 30 pairs of never worn vans in my moms garage at least 80% were bought that way. I haven't bought shoes in at least 5 years it got too overwhelming. I keep them at her house so I don't have to look at them, she tries to donate them all the time

here's one more for free about clothing, take the end of the plastic fastener that holds tags on clothes and bend it in half, take one of a cheaper price tag of a similar item(pantsforpants etc) the same way as the first and put that cheap tag on and unfold the plastic so it sits normal. Boom cheaper pants!


The flat wide side should always be outside of the clothing


It's easy to probably do anywhere but don't be a dick and rip of your locals. Mall stores? You have my blessing.

[Hefe43]

Don't mean to double post but you have to have time to kill also. You can't swap shoes and bounce, people won't think you're doing shady shit if you've tried on 12 pairs of vans and have been there for 45 minutes looking at everything, they just forget about you. The most I ever hustled was 6 pairs for $80, it was awesome.

[Fecal Fury]

We talk about companys- some are successful-
other not. For professional skateboarding we need
successful company who pay skaters. Thats it.

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Whether a brand is 'core' or not is irrelevant to whether or not they are good for skating.

Everything is circumstantial and a brand should be judged solely on it's merits.

PRO'S:
- Have been around since day one.
- Have paid Skaters with cash and product since day one.
- Have given back to the wider Skateboarding community since day one through contests, videos, skateparks.
- Make good shoes.

CON'S:
- Have become a leviathan of a brand now run by a corporate entity.
- Relies on Outlet stores to clear stock (Someone remind me why is this a bad thing again?)
- Difficult for smaller 'core' Skate shops to deal with.
- Make shit shoes.

Depending on what matters to you most is what determines what side of the fence you are on.

[fulfillthedream]

I began skating in 1999 and they had a really interesting  skate team with willy santos, ethan fowler, cardiel, karma and few others. But it wasn't seen as a brand a lotta people rocked until the rowley's came out.. my first skate shoes were some mervyns vans my mom but i didn't consider them as "real" skate shoes.

there not as bad as some of you are making them out to be. i haven't had a pair of vans for a while but they make decent vulc shoe. people who like them have always had shoes available like   eras, half cabs slip ons etc  and they've always

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and they've always

[IHOP]

Dont really care much either way on the topic, its been with skating since day 1 but I wouldnt call them core when they are opening stores to take business away from shops.

What I wanted to bring up though is that "core" companies like HUF and Lakai are also owned by non skaters, and are marketing to non-skaters to make money.  Its just how business goes especially at this time.  Skateboarders dont give you a profit but their lifestyle does.

[Chavo]

Vans only sells skate shoes because it is a formula that works for them. They have tried to get out of the skateboarding business several times to dismal failure.

[Paul Cicero]

Vans only sells skate shoes because it is a formula that works for them. They have tried to get out of the skateboarding business several times to dismal failure.

Care to share some details of these several failures? First I've ever heard of it.

[Chavo]

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Vans only sells skate shoes because it is a formula that works for them. They have tried to get out of the skateboarding business several times to dismal failure.

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Care to share some details of these several failures? First I've ever heard of it.

In late 1979, skateboarding died and Vans mostly abandoned skateboarding for BMX during most of the early 80s. Their team captain at the time, Everette Rosecrans, aggressively built up their BMX team (including his sons) and eventually collaborated with the movie "Rad". Their decision to also branch out into athletic shoes caused Vans to go bankrupt during the mid-80s. ironically, the brother who tried to turn Vans into Nike ended up falling out with the company and started a knock-off company of strictly skate shoes.

That was the Van Doren ownership, when the original family sold Vans to a corporation, they eventually started doing the typical wakeboard/snowboard thing in the late '90s until stocks started tumbling and the skateparks started closing. Highs and lows are inherent in skateboarding, so now they just heavily promote the appearance of skateboarding. it's really just a piece of rubber and fabric thrown into an oven.

[Bumpovertrash]

Slip on pros are the shit have had like 7 pairs

[lk130]

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[Cuban_Lynx]

Does anyone understand what House of Vans gets out of opening buildings? Is it tax breaks? I see them working on the one in Chicago every day. I've gone to open skate and concerts, and it's all free with free food, beer, hats, etc.

[Nosferatu]

What is the definition of "core"?

[Francis Xavier]

What is the definition of "core"?

When you eat an apple to its center,thats core
If you don't want to call someond Corey you call them Core
Earth is core  because it has one

[kook nukem]

My local shop only carries Vans these days, and I consider them pretty "core."

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

What is the definition of "core"?

There isn't one. Its a made up thing. There's super corporate non-skate centered companies that try to sell shit to skateboarders, they call the skater owned, skater centric companies "core" because its a way to define those companies and not their own.

[Cuban_Lynx]

What is the definition of "core"?

Todd Falcon is the definition of core.

[planman]

Vans is and always will be core. Yeah it wasn't started by/for skaters but they've stuck with us for the past 50 years even when the industry was complete shit and there was zero money in skating. Nike, on the other hand, already pulled out once before and if SB was to show a number of quarterly losses in succession, I'm sure they'd do it again because that's how they operate.

[Pigeon]

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I love Half Cabs, core or not. They fucking rule for skating.

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Ditto.  As an added bonus, I've never seen non-skate people wearing them so in my feeble mind they still hold their "cool" factor. 

Not that I haven't (and wouldn't still) skate in old schools if they didn't wear out so easily. 

One of the girls that works at my local liquor store had a pair of Half Cabs, last time I went in there. She probably longboards.

[SodaJerk]

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I love Half Cabs, core or not. They fucking rule for skating.

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Ditto.  As an added bonus, I've never seen non-skate people wearing them so in my feeble mind they still hold their "cool" factor. 

Not that I haven't (and wouldn't still) skate in old schools if they didn't wear out so easily. 

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One of the girls that works at my local liquor store had a pair of Half Cabs, last time I went in there. She probably longboards.

There was a thread about skate shoes in non skate media and there was a porn actress wearing half cabs that was great.

[violentpizza]

They're sold in malls. Not core. By this idiotic thread, I'd assume half of you think Zumiez must be a core shop too. I mean, SKATEBOARDING ( by that I mean the companies that sell their goods there) WANTED THEM ( to sell more of their shit) so they must be core?

This is so dumb. This 'core' business is just marketing. I just buy whatever's on sale at my local, because I'm just gonna destroy them anyway

[kerfield]

Does anyone understand what House of Vans gets out of opening buildings? Is it tax breaks? I see them working on the one in Chicago every day. I've gone to open skate and concerts, and it's all free with free food, beer, hats, etc.

Tax breaks and PR.
I've heard the location of the London one means they can't make a profit from it - hence loads of free events..

[jums]

Not core and wack because everyone and their grandmother has a pair of Vans nowadays. I spot at least 20 people wearing Old Skools, Slip-Ons, and Sk8 His daily.

Vans are garbage to skate in anyway. Skating in Vans, modern street skating, is the equivalent of jogging in a pair of Nike Cortez. Vans are really worn out of nostalgia, but unfortunately the masses like them so therefore they're wack.

[Francis Xavier]

Not core and wack because everyone and their grandmother has a pair of Vans nowadays. I spot at least 20 people wearing Old Skools, Slip-Ons, and Sk8 His daily.

Vans are garbage to skate in anyway. Skating in Vans, modern street skating, is the equivalent of jogging in a pair of Nike Cortez. Vans are really worn out of nostalgia, but unfortunately the masses like them so therefore they're wack.

This was done wearing authentics in 1999...modern skaters are just pussies

[NowhereInLife]

Even though they need to reinstall some more rigid material (ie: gel or PU) in the heel of the next ultracush iteration (c'mon big corpo u got this), yes they get a core pass.  My knee issues have healed enough (thank you NB#) that I've unwritten them off.

[pizzafliptofakie]

They're sold in malls. Not core. By this idiotic thread, I'd assume half of you think Zumiez must be a core shop too. I mean, SKATEBOARDING ( by that I mean the companies that sell their goods there) WANTED THEM ( to sell more of their shit) so they must be core?

This is so dumb. This 'core' business is just marketing. I just buy whatever's on sale at my local, because I'm just gonna destroy them anyway

What isn't sold in the mall though?

[DaSk8D00D]

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Not core and wack because everyone and their grandmother has a pair of Vans nowadays. I spot at least 20 people wearing Old Skools, Slip-Ons, and Sk8 His daily.

Vans are garbage to skate in anyway. Skating in Vans, modern street skating, is the equivalent of jogging in a pair of Nike Cortez. Vans are really worn out of nostalgia, but unfortunately the masses like them so therefore they're wack.

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This was done wearing authentics in 1999...modern skaters are just pussies

Yeah but I'm pretty sure his knees are shit and he probably deals with back pain too

Skateboarding and basketball shoes are very similar in terms of their key features (traction, court/boardfeel, cushioning,support, etc) so imagine in 2017, some NBA players hooping in chucks or blazers (both originally bball shoes). Shit would be straight up comedy and would lead to a slew of injuries yet skaters are doing just as much abuse to their bodies & joints if not more in the same shoes. Vulc technology is literally almost a 100 years old that shit is borderline illogical to be skating in them nowadays where damn near every other shoe is using phylon, eva, or other foams/gels. One session in vulc shoes won't kill you, but wearing them frequently over a long period of time will DEFINITELY wear your body down faster than cupsoles will, and that fact alone keeps me far away from them. I want to skate as long as I possibly can and I take that very seriously. Health is wealth.

For the record, I still own and have skated the Gilbert crockett 1 mids with wafflecup & ultracush, so I'm not just talking out of my ass. Theyre the thinnest shoes I own and while I loved their flick, it ain't worth the forefoot pain whenever i smacked my feet on the ground or the shorter overall endurance per session. I can't imagine how people jump down shit in vulcs...all that shits gonna come back to you when you're all old & and then you end up having to skate cupsoles anyway so why even bother? If vans made their standard designs with a plain ass phylon midsole, I'd probably buy them fairly often instead of practically never

[Maggie]

i just want emerica to reissue the Ellingtons fuck come one Reynolds i'll buy some fucking coconut water mon