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How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« on: November 09, 2017, 07:45:37 PM »
Take a deck company like Blind or Darkstar for example. They've been around for a while and seem to be able to stay afloat someway or another (usually by way of weird collabs & mall kids), but do they ever have a chance of being truly relevant again? Granted relevancy/popularity is somewhat hard to measure, especially for something as diverse as the skate industry, but you know what I mean. Could brands in popularity purgatory ever become "cool" again? Or are they stuck there forever?

What about truck brands like Theeve & Krux that have solid product and have been around for a while but never seem to get close to the likes of Indy, Thunder, & Venture?

Then you have the shoe game, which I think could be easier to turn around a brand than other categories because all it takes is that one flagship model that'll always keep you relevant (look at eS & the accel). How could a C1rca or etnies get back on top as one of the more popular brands?

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2017, 07:49:01 PM »
World industries seems to be having a hard time

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2017, 07:53:05 PM »
It all comes down to who is repping the product - I guarantee if ben kadow or sean pablo started wearing blind hoodies they would be deemed 'cool' once more.

I was going to say i think collabs help, but etnies has done collabs with magenta, jk etc and they are still associated with the mall. You can't sponsor joslin and sheckler and assume just because you do a collab with an indie crew or brand that the whole image will change.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2017, 07:56:59 PM »
the premise that Darkstar or Etnies have ever been cool (etnies at least hasn't been in 20+ years) is flawed.


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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2017, 08:23:15 PM »
i had a long ass reply about to send but eh, i think it comes down to ease of access, product quality, filling a market niche, dumb luck and like lunchbox said whose repping it, if you get some random praised celeb/pro to rock some decent looking (and even ugly ass shit tbh) gear, then aaaallll of the little hype wave riding fans are gonna swarm to buy that shit regardless. but when it gets so big it goes to jcpennys and shit (like zoo york) you get that major cheese ball factor from random suckas wearing it and youre back to square one again, but at that point you probably have a bunch of money so eh, but then again you could probably balance it but it'll still lose that "exclusivity" factor.
*editors note, ive went back through this so many times i dont even know if im even making any sense but im posting it anyway because i spent 20 minutes on this bullshit, also i think this makes more sense for starting a company from scratch rather than rebranding, shit.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2017, 08:27:24 PM »
the premise that Darkstar or Etnies have ever been cool (etnies at least hasn't been in 20+ years) is flawed.



I don't know about cool but rumor is Darkstar Wheels used to be the shit, or maybe still are?  The review by this dude on Amazon is funny he's a "darkstar lifer"

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5.0 out of 5 starsDarkstar + lightknights = win
ByC. Everton July 3, 2011
Verified Purchase
I'm an old dude who's been skating for over 20 years - I never gave up, and so I try to keep up. I'm not an old school rider (but it's always sweet to see tricks like no-complies come back, when I learned likely every variation in the 90's).

I've used a countless number of wheels over the years, and for about the past 9 years I've been riding a local outdoor skatepark with a slightly textured surface - like a tennis court.
This surface is murder on wheels, and I can't tell you how many times I've gone to try some other premium brand of wheel, only to have them flatspot on a rough landing or slide on that surface. I flat spotted a set of Spitfires the day I mounted them.

By sharp contrast, I've never flatspotted a set of these, and I've had 3 sets of LightKnights now. I think that says remarkable things about their urethane - I've never flatspotted them, and that's typically what it takes for me to move on to a new set of wheels.

They are tremendously light, they feel extra hard due to their hard-plastic balloon construction. They are also slightly noisier than most wheels, since you are simply riding on a skin of urethane bonded to this hollow plastic core.

My first set failed after I had nearly worn the urethane skins through, and the urethane became unbonded from one wheel - this was after a lot of mileage and abuse on the wheels, I was impressed they made it that far.

I'm becoming a Darkstar lifer, with this quality of urethane. If you don't want the lightknights in particular, I'm sure the standard Darkstar wheels would be even more reliable and last even longer. I'd highly recommend these.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2017, 09:02:23 PM »
Etnies is on their way back up the ladder I reckon

Impish sausage is definitely gonna blow up as a euphemism this year

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2017, 09:07:15 PM »
Try the poop thing.  It worked for big brother.
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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2017, 09:20:04 PM »
Etnies is on their way back up the ladder I reckon

They’ve tried, it’s just never taken.  The biggest push I remember was when they made a big deal about Arto, then added Rune, janoski, Dill, and some others.  I was a big Arto fan at the time, but the design wasn’t enough to pull the trigger, not when the Lakai Howard 3 was around

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2017, 09:26:18 PM »
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the premise that Darkstar or Etnies have ever been cool (etnies at least hasn't been in 20+ years) is flawed.


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I don't know about cool but rumor is Darkstar Wheels used to be the shit, or maybe still are?  The review by this dude on Amazon is funny he's a "darkstar lifer"

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5.0 out of 5 starsDarkstar + lightknights = win
ByC. Everton July 3, 2011
Verified Purchase
I'm an old dude who's been skating for over 20 years - I never gave up, and so I try to keep up. I'm not an old school rider (but it's always sweet to see tricks like no-complies come back, when I learned likely every variation in the 90's).

I've used a countless number of wheels over the years, and for about the past 9 years I've been riding a local outdoor skatepark with a slightly textured surface - like a tennis court.
This surface is murder on wheels, and I can't tell you how many times I've gone to try some other premium brand of wheel, only to have them flatspot on a rough landing or slide on that surface. I flat spotted a set of Spitfires the day I mounted them.

By sharp contrast, I've never flatspotted a set of these, and I've had 3 sets of LightKnights now. I think that says remarkable things about their urethane - I've never flatspotted them, and that's typically what it takes for me to move on to a new set of wheels.

They are tremendously light, they feel extra hard due to their hard-plastic balloon construction. They are also slightly noisier than most wheels, since you are simply riding on a skin of urethane bonded to this hollow plastic core.

My first set failed after I had nearly worn the urethane skins through, and the urethane became unbonded from one wheel - this was after a lot of mileage and abuse on the wheels, I was impressed they made it that far.

I'm becoming a Darkstar lifer, with this quality of urethane. If you don't want the lightknights in particular, I'm sure the standard Darkstar wheels would be even more reliable and last even longer. I'd highly recommend these.
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Those wheels used to be great in the streets,until they flatspotted. Whatever urethane duro they were had to be close to steel- hard as rocks,yet you couldn't even roll over one. I had homies that only rode em', but I switched to Spitfires after skating this indoor park slipping and sliding because those damn Darkstar 53mm didn't grip masonite. I don't know about now,or how anyone skates with them.

However, if World or Dwindle did a Rodney vs Daewon type video with team sections and Darkstar got in there like the good ol' days I'd be stoked. Quality video content is a necessity these days,that shows who's lame or not.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2017, 09:53:34 PM »
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Etnies is on their way back up the ladder I reckon
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They’ve tried, it’s just never taken.  The biggest push I remember was when they made a big deal about Arto, then added Rune, janoski, Dill, and some others.  I was a big Arto fan at the time, but the design wasn’t enough to pull the trigger, not when the Lakai Howard 3 was around
they has bastien for minute there too!
I think their current team is pretty crazy and if they could just get someone OG enough to start rocking the scam again then things might happen for them? I think sole tech in general missed out on swooping the chief up after fallen fell. They've obviously got the money so they should just buy penny away from Supra too and cut him a deal where he can only skate in raps for the rest of his career.

Impish sausage is definitely gonna blow up as a euphemism this year

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 09:55:40 PM »
Answer: Put Jeffwon Song on

Remember when Dill was on etnies?

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2017, 10:02:09 PM »
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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2017, 10:04:23 PM »
It all comes down to who is repping the product - I guarantee if ben kadow or sean pablo started wearing blind hoodies they would be deemed 'cool' once more.

I was going to say i think collabs help, but etnies has done collabs with magenta, jk etc and they are still associated with the mall. You can't sponsor joslin and sheckler and assume just because you do a collab with an indie crew or brand that the whole image will change.

The ting that sucks the most about etnies is that the shoes are solid. That E though, I just can't...
flat spotted 3 times in 2 weeks, other than that awesome wheels

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 11:57:10 PM »
Etnies stand out the most at the shop as the only shoe to come with:
1. A huffable chemical smell
2. A drop of glue from a glue gun to keep the insole in place

Just get Emericas

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2017, 01:23:17 AM »
It all comes down to who is repping the product - I guarantee if ben kadow or sean pablo started wearing blind hoodies they would be deemed 'cool' once more.

I was going to say i think collabs help, but etnies has done collabs with magenta, jk etc and they are still associated with the mall. You can't sponsor joslin and sheckler and assume just because you do a collab with an indie crew or brand that the whole image will change.

a blind hoodie would suffice?
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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2017, 01:42:39 AM »
Take notes, Leticia.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2017, 01:48:08 AM »
Etnies stand out the most at the shop as the only shoe to come with:
1. A huffable chemical smell
2. A drop of glue from a glue gun to keep the insole in place

Just get Emericas
You realise they are the same brand right? They don't spend more money on Emerica or put more emphasis on quality.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 02:04:49 AM »
They might never be "cool" but the Jameson XT is probably the best shoe I've skated in the last 5 years.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 02:11:40 AM »
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It all comes down to who is repping the product - I guarantee if ben kadow or sean pablo started wearing blind hoodies they would be deemed 'cool' once more.

I was going to say i think collabs help, but etnies has done collabs with magenta, jk etc and they are still associated with the mall. You can't sponsor joslin and sheckler and assume just because you do a collab with an indie crew or brand that the whole image will change.
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a blind hoodie would suffice?


why not? Nike wasn't cool until they sponsored Gino and Danny Supa?

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 02:23:15 AM »
DC is the only brand I see that has hopes of getting back to being "cool" again. You can tell they're "evolving" with the times and trends through T Funk, Chase Webb and Shanihan. My overuse of quotations was to emphasize the bullshit trend hopping-ness of the situation we as a community tend to cultivate, myself included.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 04:04:21 AM »
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Etnies is on their way back up the ladder I reckon
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They’ve tried, it’s just never taken.  The biggest push I remember was when they made a big deal about Arto, then added Rune, janoski, Dill, and some others.  I was a big Arto fan at the time, but the design wasn’t enough to pull the trigger, not when the Lakai Howard 3 was around
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they has bastien for minute there too!
I think their current team is pretty crazy and if they could just get someone OG enough to start rocking the scam again then things might happen for them? I think sole tech in general missed out on swooping the chief up after fallen fell. They've obviously got the money so they should just buy penny away from Supra too and cut him a deal where he can only skate in raps for the rest of his career.

I actually hear really good things about Sheckler's shoe, the Marana?   But there's just too many good shoes out there now. 

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 04:07:02 AM »
DC is the only brand I see that has hopes of getting back to being "cool" again. You can tell they're "evolving" with the times and trends through T Funk, Chase Webb and Shanihan. My overuse of quotations was to emphasize the bullshit trend hopping-ness of the situation we as a community tend to cultivate, myself included.

DC's problems are-
1. Sold all over TJ Maxx/Marshalls/Ross to randoms
2. Heavily associated with the SoCal "Bro Dog"/Moto X scene

They have some good product though.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 04:42:11 AM »
Man! Etnies are great! You guys should get a pair! I just wish they could slim there shoes down a little more.

Etnies album will help out them back on course.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2017, 04:57:20 AM »
Man! Etnies are great! You guys should get a pair! I just wish they could slim there shoes down a little more.

Etnies album will help out them back on course.

Just like True Blue did for Dekline!

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2017, 06:26:36 AM »
I was pretty excited when Plan B came back but it fizzled quickly. The team choices all financially made sense but I didn't really get into their graphics? I loved original Plan B. New version weighs too heavily on the Rankin-Bass logo for everything. I think the lack of PJ , Way and McKay in their video also did not help. That being said... I think adding Sheffey back is cool and that ... if they did better graphics they could be "cool" again. And if those guts made that brand a priority with their footage. They will always sell cuz of guys like Sheckler and Joslin etc. (Could  be popular with the girl crowd if they gave Leticia a board too). Financially they should be fine but I wish they were as cool as they were!

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2017, 06:29:26 AM »
Shoe brands can fix their coolness a lot easier than board brands can these days, they already have a built in infastructure that is pretty hard to create, with shoe companies it comes down to getting a proper brand manager and team together and just focus on making great product. I think the thing that hit Soletech and DC is everything just started changing so fast they couldn't make great decisions they just had to hope to keep up, the Vans making a Huge comeback and the Nike thing was just a lot to handle. It almost reminds me of the early 90s when companies like Powell and Santa Cruz were just to big to react well, and spent 7-8 years just trying to find a new voice.
If ya'll remember Geoff Rowley almost singlehandly saved Vans, this can very well happen for DC and Soletech.

For board brands i think it's a just a matter of a total rebrand strategy, Dogtown didn't resonate with young kids, so they kept all the up and comers and started Think. Same thing with Alva, kick all the old dudes off and create New School skateboards. Dwindle probably needs consolidate a few of those brands and put everyone thats marketable on one brand with a really current marketing scheme, and don't license the new brand to any wack sporting goods stores or Walmart. Crailtap could use some modernizing, maybe it time to make Girl a legacy company and take all the newer kids they are working with start a new brand aim at tumblr/hypebeast/supreme kids. Girl could probably survive running Mike and Rick boards and a bunch of reissues. As far as board brands go they've always been pretty disposable.

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2017, 06:46:23 AM »
Oh and I agree for board brands it's harder. The "New cool thing" is always the best you know? I know when I was a kid it was Powell, Santa Cruz and Vision but when World came out.. I had some VSW pants on and hot heckled ASAP. The whole "dude vision isn't cool" when it literally was a week before. Then Blind then H-street was the thing. Then Plan B/101 etc. The older established brands become a way to kickstart your career only to move to the cool brands (im looking at you Crail!) . What kids like determines the market of course. Im so out of the loop as to whats cool with boards now myself. On slap it seems like Polar, Hockey, Quasi, FA, some smaller brands are whats cool. Sort of reminds me of 89/90 When the big brands lost their cool factor so that's kind of interesting. It is a bummer watching some of it happen (again looking at you Crail) but stuff doesnt last. Girl/Chocolate were one of the best for so long (mediocre quality products though). What made them special was it was teams of legit friends that also happened to be great skaters. But that brotherhood of a team of real friends ... to me was awesome. I don't think they can recapture that magic. I used to rep board brands hard but right now I'm not really into any one team (anti hero aside). And I (predictably) prefer guys from my era so it's made me even more picky. I am riding JK Industries cuz Klein was my dude way back and I like that he hand screens/uses old graphics and he is someone I will always support. That's kinda what makes "cool" to me at age 41. Sorry this is so long!

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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2017, 06:51:58 AM »
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Re: How would you make a lame brand cool again?
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2017, 06:54:15 AM »
You don't, for the most part. Every brand revival was predicated on the history of their last incarnation, and you either try to live off that legacy (Plan B) or you disappoint everyone (Axion). Why do you think Gonz never brought some cool shit like 60/40 or Kool back?

Plan B didn't have the "best" team in the world that second go around. They had cherry picked guys who were better off/ fit better on their previous board brands (aside from Sheckler and maybe PJ), and were banking super hard off of the legacy Questionable and Virtual Reality established. That team was such a legendary myth in the early 2000's to people who weren't skating in its heyday with all the mentions from all the newest up and comers like Pj and Gallant praising it in their interviews around 2001-2002 that there was a direct correlation between those mentions and the drastic increase in people downloading the old videos off of p2p at the time. They were able to ride that wave and had the right people in place to make the correlation strong to beef up the hype of the brands reopening, and it worked. It worked because Danny Way & Colin McKay were behind it, and it made sense at the time even though it was more fabricated than the original.

Now look at the second shot at something like Blueprint or City Stars, that shit fucking tanked. You think getting Mike York and some fake ass looking Tosh Townend looking kid for that Blueprint revival did them any good? City Stars didn't have Kareem pushing the brand as hard as Danny and Colin pushed Plan B 2.0, and no one gave a shit about some random nice kid suburban black skateboarders skating metal skate plaza ledges, we wanted some gritty shit going on. Even Kyle Nicholson and Mike Maldonado couldn't bring Axion back, because it had zero ties to its legacy.

The bottom line is that when things are over, they should stay in the past because they'll never recapture what made the initial offering hot. You have to have a following outside of skateboarding like what Supreme has to weather a storm like that; if it weren't for hypebeast culture who didn't even give a fuck about skateboarding infusing them with more cash than the skateboard market could provide, it would have died in the early 2000's no problem. And as much as they work to legitimize themselves with Fat Bill filming the FA kids (read: not giving shine to Antonio or SP bc their sponsors aren't financially propped up by Supreme), skateboarding doesn't care about them.

It's always better to do something new than it is to beat a dead horse. The best you can hope for if you bring a brand back out is to exist enough to make bank, and eventually let people down when it's apparent this second go isn't as authentic as the last (read: Plan B, True). But most likely, you're gonna end up like World Industries (who's actually trying to make boards again and put them into "legit" skate shops as we speak)

At least when you're a washed-out hipster douchebag in NY, you can milk it at some decent looking, hard to skate spots. In LA you're just a tan-lined faggot in a school yard somewhere.