Venture 2020

[scab]

Which makes me wonder how come I can't get short boards and Ventures to work...

Have you had good experiences with _any_ short boards? As a fellow tall dude I've given up on boards under 32", they don't work for me outside of some very contained use cases, regardless of trucks.

In Venture specific news, I'm happy to report I'm back on the purple stock bushings. Messed around with the loose trucks conversion kit for what turned out to be much too long. Virtually all my tricks are more consistent and popped higher on the stock bushings run flush. I'm mainly posting this to keep my ass accountable if I get the urge to fuck around with bushings again.

[rikki]

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Which makes me wonder how come I can't get short boards and Ventures to work...

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Have you had good experiences with _any_ short boards? As a fellow tall dude I've given up on boards under 32", they don't work for me outside of some very contained use cases, regardless of trucks.

In Venture specific news, I'm happy to report I'm back on the purple stock bushings. Messed around with the loose trucks conversion kit for what turned out to be much too long. Virtually all my tricks are more consistent and popped higher on the stock bushings run flush. I'm mainly posting this to keep my ass accountable if I get the urge to fuck around with bushings again.

Yes. All hail the stock purples.

[rikki]

Anyone dig Polar shapes with Ventures? For me they feel like a good match.

[lildonut92]

Venture Lo heads, what decks do you find pair well with them?

I’m on a Real full se 8.06. (31.5 x 14 wb) And the pop feel is so bad. I can’t figure out if I got a dud or what. The board will just not suck up to my feet no matter what. Everything just feels too immediate.

[WelcomeToHell]

Just converted to Ventures for my popsicle boards and absolutely love them. The big boys and football shapes still get Indys.

I’m running the Skate Jawn 5.6 V Cast. Curious what the different bushing colors mean. The Skate Jawn bushings are red, but I’ve seen white and purple as well. Does it indicate hardness like Indys or is it just different colors?

[scab]

Just converted to Ventures for my popsicle boards and absolutely love them. The big boys and football shapes still get Indys.

I’m running the Skate Jawn 5.6 V Cast. Curious what the different bushing colors mean. The Skate Jawn bushings are red, but I’ve seen white and purple as well. Does it indicate hardness like Indys or is it just different colors?

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Bushing colors doesn’t matter right for ventures ? All the same durometer ?

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What's the duro of the stock purples? I keep finding contradictory info online.

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all stock bushings are 90A regardless of color

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petition to change the thread title to "Venture 2020: all stock bushings are 90A regardless of color"

[RichardBarkley]

 What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

[munchbox]

Anyone dig Polar shapes with Ventures? For me they feel like a good match.

im riding the 9.0 popsicle with 6.1 hollows, feels real right
gonna run this indefinitely and focus on consistency

dane1 with the same trucks was a fun time
but short boards no longer suit my skating

what you got setup?

[munchbox]

What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

be more specific with the size to get a real answer
thunder smallest size is 143 (7.125 axle)
the narrowest venture is 5.0 (7.63 axle)

[rikki]

Venture Lo heads, what decks do you find pair well with them?

I’m on a Real full se 8.06. (31.5 x 14 wb) And the pop feel is so bad. I can’t figure out if I got a dud or what. The board will just not suck up to my feet no matter what. Everything just feels too immediate.

Try a longer deck with a longer wheelbase? I'm pretty sure you'll be happier with a close to 32 x 14.25 wb deck.

[rikki]

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Anyone dig Polar shapes with Ventures? For me they feel like a good match.

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im riding the 9.0 popsicle with 6.1 hollows, feels real right
gonna run this indefinitely and focus on consistency

dane1 with the same trucks was a fun time
but short boards no longer suit my skating

what you got setup?

Good to hear man. I'm currently running a 8.125 x 32 x 14.25 popsicle with 5.6 V-Lights. There's something there. Anything shorter (especially wb-wise) feels off.

[rawbertson.]

https://youtu.be/MlGyiia_uYY?si=pFKktOhvelPLqmFw

Schoolyard skating just looks so good with Lows

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https://youtu.be/MlGyiia_uYY?si=pFKktOhvelPLqmFw

Schoolyard skating just looks so good with Lows

pretty sure he’s on thunders in that part. fuck i love trilogy.

your comment that lo’s and schoolyard skating goes together holds true.


as to ventures and decks. i’ve got a krooked truefit i can’t skate with any trucks.
other than that i usually ride a ps stix 8.125 (trying to ride a bigger board than this, we’ll see).
with lo’s i can generally adjust to whatever deck, with the forged plate hi’s i’m finding them pretty agreeable to most decks. sometimes i need to play around with the wheel height.
short answer: flat ps stix boards.
boards that i want to try them with: 8.38 eagle/dreamer shape, that limosine 9”, the polar 9”

[WelcomeToHell]

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Just converted to Ventures for my popsicle boards and absolutely love them. The big boys and football shapes still get Indys.

I’m running the Skate Jawn 5.6 V Cast. Curious what the different bushing colors mean. The Skate Jawn bushings are red, but I’ve seen white and purple as well. Does it indicate hardness like Indys or is it just different colors?

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Bushing colors doesn’t matter right for ventures ? All the same durometer ?

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What's the duro of the stock purples? I keep finding contradictory info online.

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all stock bushings are 90A regardless of color

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petition to change the thread title to "Venture 2020: all stock bushings are 90A regardless of color"

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Thank you! I guess I could have searched the thread. Much appreciated.

[JugeL]

Venture Lo heads, what decks do you find pair well with them?

I’m on a Real full se 8.06. (31.5 x 14 wb) And the pop feel is so bad. I can’t figure out if I got a dud or what. The board will just not suck up to my feet no matter what. Everything just feels too immediate.

Skated couple boards that were g008 shape (31.85 & 14.25) and pop was okay. Flatground was really on point. Next board is 31.3 & 14 just to try out shorter board for change. Yet to skate it but maybe next week i have something to report.

[RichardBarkley]

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What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

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be more specific with the size to get a real answer
thunder smallest size is 143 (7.125 axle)
the narrowest venture is 5.0 (7.63 axle)

Venture 5.2 high

[j....soy.....]

the lightest thunder is noticeably lighter than the lightest Venture.....that said, the venture is easily light enough....

[manuduncan]

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Which makes me wonder how come I can't get short boards and Ventures to work...

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Have you had good experiences with _any_ short boards? As a fellow tall dude I've given up on boards under 32", they don't work for me outside of some very contained use cases, regardless of trucks.

In Venture specific news, I'm happy to report I'm back on the purple stock bushings. Messed around with the loose trucks conversion kit for what turned out to be much too long. Virtually all my tricks are more consistent and popped higher on the stock bushings run flush. I'm mainly posting this to keep my ass accountable if I get the urge to fuck around with bushings again.

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Yes. All hail the stock purples.

Where do you buy the stock purples?  Can’t seem to find any online

[LebowskisRug]

The only way to get stock bushings is to have a proper defect and get them warrantied. It sucks because DLX could easily sell them as they do for Thunder.

[iw0]

The only way to get stock bushings is to have a proper defect and get them warrantied. It sucks because DLX could easily sell them as they do for Thunder.

they come free in every set of venture brand skateboarding trucks^TM

[manuduncan]

lmao damn that sucks, trucks last me like over a year but bushings several months

i have some spare ace hard bushings laying around i'll pop those in and report back i suppose

[BurgerCop]

What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

I'm about to make the dive from Thunder to Venture so I've been looking at this stuff already.
My front and back nose slides are fine but my front and back tails always scrrrt and half the time I get bucked off the ledge. I'm sure my form is partially to blame, but I want to try a different truck to see how much the baseplate issue is messing me up (if at all)

According to Tactics...



Jesus, if this is accurate the 8.75 Thunder is lighter than the 7.6 Venture.
That's kinda making me rethink this experiment...

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What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

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I'm about to make the dive from Thunder to Venture so I've been looking at this stuff already.
My front and back nose slides are fine but my front and back tails always scrrrt and half the time I get bucked off the ledge. I'm sure my form is partially to blame, but I want to try a different truck to see how much the baseplate issue is messing me up (if at all)

According to Tactics...



Jesus, if this is accurate the 8.75 Thunder is lighter than the 7.6 Venture.
That's kinda making me rethink this experiment...

it’s dope that you shared the tactics info.
for a more apples to apples comparison, you would want to compare the venture v-lights to the thunder lights, not the hollow lights. thunder hollow lights: forged plate, hollow kingpin, AND hollow axle. venture v-lights: forged plate, hollow kingpin, solid axle.
for what it is worth, i’ve been a big forged plate hater. somehow that has completely reversed, i now prefer forged plates, but also prefer the solid axle. feels better when i grind (which is pretty rare and really crappy. but that’s my feeling).

[rocklobster]

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What is the lightest Thunder and how much lighter is it than the hollow Venture highs

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I'm about to make the dive from Thunder to Venture so I've been looking at this stuff already.
My front and back nose slides are fine but my front and back tails always scrrrt and half the time I get bucked off the ledge. I'm sure my form is partially to blame, but I want to try a different truck to see how much the baseplate issue is messing me up (if at all)

According to Tactics...



Jesus, if this is accurate the 8.75 Thunder is lighter than the 7.6 Venture.
That's kinda making me rethink this experiment...

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it’s dope that you shared the tactics info.
for a more apples to apples comparison, you would want to compare the venture v-lights to the thunder lights, not the hollow lights. thunder hollow lights: forged plate, hollow kingpin, AND hollow axle. venture v-lights: forged plate, hollow kingpin, solid axle.
for what it is worth, i’ve been a big forged plate hater. somehow that has completely reversed, i now prefer forged plates, but also prefer the solid axle. feels better when i grind (which is pretty rare and really crappy. but that’s my feeling).

My quick math and guesstimate from years of stressing over truck weight is that Thunder is around 5-10% lighter than a comparable Venture. Off Tactics:

Venture 5.2 HI V-Hollow - 323.8g
Thunder 147 Hollow Lights - 300.9g

Venture 5.6 V-Hollow - 333.2g
Thunder 148 Hollow Light - 324g

Works out to around 2.89 - 7.61% difference in the above examples. More than percentage points on weight I found the heft and pop feel of a board is influenced less by grams and more about how much they shift the wheelbase. And IMO weight starts becoming more pronounced above 8.25 truck sizes, those 8.5 trucks start feeling heavy but you could adapt to it over a few sessions.

Ben's summary of truck weight is helpful here.


Also I haven't ridden Thunders in close to 2 years, been on the Venture program and (almost) no thoughts of switching.

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that venture v-light restock would be nice

[Mongo Lloyd]

I like a heavier heftier feeling truck personally.

I just switched from team A to V 

Enjoying the pop, and pleasantly surprised the turn isn’t nearly as bad as I remember. I feel like Venture has either improved, or my friends were straight cranking their trucks down back in the day.

[rikki]

I like a heavier heftier feeling truck personally.

I just switched from team A to V 

Enjoying the pop, and pleasantly surprised the turn isn’t nearly as bad as I remember. I feel like Venture has either improved, or my friends were straight cranking their trucks down back in the day.

Yeah I think the "Ventures don't turn" narrative is just that, a narrative that's blown out of proportions and is probably mostly kept alive by people who don't actually even skate Ventures. I skate them on transition no problem. The turn is actually kind of big-wave surfy and balanced for sizeable transition lines. One can lean on the turn and not dip out too easily.

I mean, if I skated only transition, I'd probably choose Indy or Ace, but for an all-around truck, Venture is just as good as any.

[Mongo Lloyd]

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I like a heavier heftier feeling truck personally.

I just switched from team A to V 

Enjoying the pop, and pleasantly surprised the turn isn’t nearly as bad as I remember. I feel like Venture has either improved, or my friends were straight cranking their trucks down back in the day.

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Yeah I think the "Ventures don't turn" narrative is just that, a narrative that's blown out of proportions and is probably mostly kept alive by people who don't actually even skate Ventures. I skate them on transition no problem. The turn is actually kind of big-wave surfy and balanced for sizeable transition lines. One can lean on the turn and not dip out too easily.

I mean, if I skated only transition, I'd probably choose Indy or Ace, but for an all-around truck, Venture is just as good as any.

Agreed, I felt kind of silly I was hanging onto some sort of false judgement I’ve held for a couple of decades.

The turn is honestly fantastic.

[WelcomeToHell]

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I like a heavier heftier feeling truck personally.

I just switched from team A to V 

Enjoying the pop, and pleasantly surprised the turn isn’t nearly as bad as I remember. I feel like Venture has either improved, or my friends were straight cranking their trucks down back in the day.

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Yeah I think the "Ventures don't turn" narrative is just that, a narrative that's blown out of proportions and is probably mostly kept alive by people who don't actually even skate Ventures. I skate them on transition no problem. The turn is actually kind of big-wave surfy and balanced for sizeable transition lines. One can lean on the turn and not dip out too easily.

I mean, if I skated only transition, I'd probably choose Indy or Ace, but for an all-around truck, Venture is just as good as any.

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Agreed, I felt kind of silly I was hanging onto some sort of false judgement I’ve held for a couple of decades.

The turn is honestly fantastic.

Same. I came from nearly 3 decades of Indy use and I love the way Ventures turn. It’s just different. They’re not super twitchy when you lean going fast or come off a ledge squirrely, but they turn just fine and I can ride them a lot looser than Indys.

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I like a heavier heftier feeling truck personally.

I just switched from team A to V 

Enjoying the pop, and pleasantly surprised the turn isn’t nearly as bad as I remember. I feel like Venture has either improved, or my friends were straight cranking their trucks down back in the day.

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Yeah I think the "Ventures don't turn" narrative is just that, a narrative that's blown out of proportions and is probably mostly kept alive by people who don't actually even skate Ventures. I skate them on transition no problem. The turn is actually kind of big-wave surfy and balanced for sizeable transition lines. One can lean on the turn and not dip out too easily.

I mean, if I skated only transition, I'd probably choose Indy or Ace, but for an all-around truck, Venture is just as good as any.

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Agreed, I felt kind of silly I was hanging onto some sort of false judgement I’ve held for a couple of decades.

The turn is honestly fantastic.

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Same. I came from nearly 3 decades of Indy use and I love the way Ventures turn. It’s just different. They’re not super twitchy when you lean going fast or come off a ledge squirrely, but they turn just fine and I can ride them a lot looser than Indys.

Same here, after 34 years on Indy I am happy to state that I feel Awake.
In my years I've had several cases of "Truck-Madness" and always came back to Indy. This time I couldn't come back though 'cause I just couldn't get them to feel right anymore. And believe me I've tried, spent a fortune on different Indy-Variations and bushings but to no avail. Stepped on a friends board and decided to try for myself. Bought a set of Ted Barrow 5.8 V-Cast Hollows in July and really love it every time I step on my setup.
I also feel that Ventures either improved or that I was just too preoccupied by the "they don't turn narrative".