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Skateboarding => Shoes & Gear => Topic started by: baravettski on June 14, 2016, 09:58:56 AM
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Hey everyone,
Just wanted to drop a note on FTW and what's going on for anyone interested on the process.
Shit is weird right now, the industry is simultaneously exploding and imploding so we are gonna do our thing our way. Skateboarding needs a 'fuck you.' We want to make shoes that fit right, look good and can stand up to skateboarding and do so at an honest price. Footwear That Works...
Here's where we are currently:
Samples - I have one lasted upper sample so far, expecting the first weartest samples for me to check out in the next couple weeks. Thanks to you guys that hit me up about testing, I'll get at you when I have pairs to send out to people, probably more like July/August for those.
Models/Colors - Did some redesigns and shifting, I have four designs out, we are moving ahead with three for production, 2 colors each, I'll end up finalizing those in the next month or so, but there will definitely be some black/white and some white/gum. Maybe triple black and triple white too.
Team - I have some feelers out there, so far I got a local Portland homie, Cam Barrett who is a rad dude and gonna help out. This will also be easier once I have real samples to show.
Internets - We are most active on @ftwbrand on IG. My homie Drew is on board doing artwork and edits and more will come when samples get in.
As far as the rest of what's happening, I figured I would ask you guys what you want to see or know about. I didn't want to get too fancy and post a press release or some shit, so if you want to see sketches, line art, have any other questions or concerns about my history, whatever else, just let me know and I'll do my best to keep up. I'll answer if I can, if I can't I'll do my best to tell you why. I really want to make this a thing that skateboarders can feel like they are part of. It's not going to be easy, we are doing it on our own with our own money, but I still believe in skateboarding and want to contribute.
Thanks.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/FTWLOGO_zps96wts1ia.png) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/FTWLOGO_zps96wts1ia.png.html)
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It's awesome watching you get this up and running from the get go and also coming to slap to discuss all your goings on. I really want to support this as best I can.
The "I don't like the name or the graffiti-style logo" points have already been made ad nauseam, so I won't get into that until I see the finished product.
I guess what I'd like to see is line art for shoes or as much of the end product as possible. The art, the shoes, the idea for ads, etc.
Thanks again for keeping us posted.
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Man.....all this seems so promising but that logo is so bad.
This shoe looks okay though. White and gum are always classic.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13269365_1598250807139451_604932338_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI2NDgyNzE0MDMxMTQ1NDQxNw%3D%3D.2)
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Man.....all this seems so promising but that logo is so bad.
It looks like the Jnco logo.
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Dude, as you know i can try to help you with some ideas for the shoes. I'm no expert but i would love to do it. Those line sketches on illustrator are really easy to do too. My advice (construtiva criticism) on that one fongstar posted. Try to avoid those stiched panels so close to the flick area, it would be a easy spot for blowouts. Also, try a diferent typography in the logo (graffiti one). Looks kinda outdated... :-\
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I like the "tag" logo.
Its giving me the middle finger
Cant comment on the shoe design.
Id hit up skatan on his willigness to help.
He does really nice illistrations that give a 3d perspective of the shoe.
Your idea might be amazing, but on paper , it doesnt look appealing to me. Its too flat
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graffiti style company logos never come across looking good.
Even having a cool homemade font rarely works out. Hecox for Chocolate may be the exception.
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I like pretty much everything you're doing except for the name and especially the logo if you want honest feedback. I know you're hearing it lots, but I have to agree with the comments. The logo looks very dated and JNCO or Triple Five Soul or something to me.
But I think the shoe drawings you've posted on IG so far look great and I'm stoked on how interactive you're being.
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I just think if you are spending this much money on making shoes, spend just a little more to have someone make a proper logo for you. I know logos for shoes can be unnecessary at times(State's logo is pretty non existent. Deklines was horrible but was fine towards the end) but it can also make or break a brand as well. Just don't plaster that thing on the sides of the shoe. Keeping that logo small helps a little but I noticed it's on the soles as well.
Other pics from the IG:
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/13408914_1145084858846393_1003328799_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI2OTM5NTcwNTI4Njk4ODIwOA%3D%3D.2)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/13109001_243107879382393_1829391526_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1NDE3NzQ1Mjg5Mzc3MDIxNw%3D%3D.2)
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p640x640/13117982_1015817361835414_468926340_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI0MTY3OTkyMTY0NzU1NTQyNA%3D%3D.2)
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Thanks for the update!!!
I'm felling those black shoes that remind me of the Adidas Gazelle. I like the added ollie pad.
I've been liking all the designs so far.
I actually like the graffiti logo. Little different from what everyone else is putting out. Everyone seems to be very modest. Simple color ways with an edgy image would be rad.
Looking forward to seeing the final product!!!
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Those gazelle and dunk inspired shoes look sick. I'd wear them regardless of the logo, which I don't think is great, but it's not gonna be as big as a swoosh, so fuck it. I think if the logo was a bit more uniform it could help
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absolutely get rid off that logo. it looks outdated and it will be hard to make it work with a shoe.
is i to late to get on the wear test program? or is that impossible since im outside the us?
i would not start off with those 2 models though.
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I'd want the shoes to be true to size, and have the fit be accommodating to most feet types. Kinda like the Lakai Staple where you just put it on the first day and go. The last design looks really good, the one before the sole picture.
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I agree with everyone else here, the logo is bad and it certainly fits with how bad the name is. Again, the name is more of a slogan than anything. Good luck with your endeavors, but I'll take a pair of States over this stuff.
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I'm not logo designer by any means but I had this idea... It's simpler and has the 3 letters in it too. I did 3 options but i could do more variations of it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/7ecee88f-92a1-4a66-9e19-ba567e9a782b_zpscbt7nhwh.jpg)
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ive done some logo work and could help contribute. im interested to see how the shoes feel and fit. if you ever get 7.0 us made let me know.
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hell yeah dude!
progress!
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Thanks everyone.
Finger logo - biggest place it will most likely ever be is on the bottom, I get it, not everyone is gonna dig it and that's fine. This is the one that I currently consider the "main" logo. But at least for now I don't want to go down the traditional path of "visual center, main illustrator type logo that looks like every other logo, etc." That said, if anyone wants to help out with some logo shit, I'm down to take a look too.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/FTW-STROKED_zpsi9f3mbpu.gif) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/FTW-STROKED_zpsi9f3mbpu.gif.html)
Yeah, Sk.A.T.A.N. is hella good at those renderings, and your'e right, they are usually used to spruce up a flat CAD for presentations, etc. The ones I've posted and you guys are seeing are what we send to the factory. I've seen whole sales teams get tricked by nice renderings and consequently, seen what should be really good shoes not even get to the next step because of shitty renderings in shitty colors.
Also, out of curiosity and I realize it's free market research, if you want to either comment or message me the last three skate shoes you bought, where you got em and how much you paid, it'll help down the line for distribution and what not.
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I'd want the shoes to be true to size, and have the fit be accommodating to most feet types. Kinda like the Lakai Staple where you just put it on the first day and go. The last design looks really good, the one before the sole picture.
Cool, thanks for referencing an existing shoe. You talking about the old Staples or that new one?
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I'm not logo designer by any means but I had this idea... It's simpler and has the 3 letters in it too. I did 3 options but i could do more variations of it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/7ecee88f-92a1-4a66-9e19-ba567e9a782b_zpscbt7nhwh.jpg)
Love your work but that looks like it was designed by a skinhead on acid lol
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I'm not logo designer by any means but I had this idea... It's simpler and has the 3 letters in it too. I did 3 options but i could do more variations of it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/7ecee88f-92a1-4a66-9e19-ba567e9a782b_zpscbt7nhwh.jpg)
Love your work but that looks like it was designed by a skinhead on acid lol
ahahah, it's just the bottom ones, the top one is just to show where the letters are...
It's just raw ideas tho, i like the middle one that looks almost like a clover/trefoil. It's kinda simple too. But yeah, this is not my thing.
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I'm not logo designer by any means but I had this idea... It's simpler and has the 3 letters in it too. I did 3 options but i could do more variations of it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/7ecee88f-92a1-4a66-9e19-ba567e9a782b_zpscbt7nhwh.jpg)
Love your work but that looks like it was designed by a skinhead on acid lol
ahahah, it's just the bottom ones, the top one is just to show where the letters are...
It's just raw ideas tho, i like the middle one that looks almost like a clover/trefoil. It's kinda simple too. But yeah, this is not my thing.
Actually after a second look, the one you like is pretty dope. I like that one too
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I'd want the shoes to be true to size, and have the fit be accommodating to most feet types. Kinda like the Lakai Staple where you just put it on the first day and go. The last design looks really good, the one before the sole picture.
Cool, thanks for referencing an existing shoe. You talking about the old Staples or that new one?
New ones, the fit is so good. Not too wide not too narrow.
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If I'm being honest "Footwear that Works" reminds me so much of "Nice Skate Shoes" that I already know I'd never buy it. Graffiti logo aside (you need to fix that too).
I just don't want you to be these guys.
(http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/xgamesshoes.jpg)
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If I'm being honest "Footwear that Works" reminds me so much of "Nice Skate Shoes" that I already know I'd never buy it. Graffiti logo aside (you need to fix that too).
I just don't want you to be these guys.
(http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/xgamesshoes.jpg)
I also don't want to be those guys.
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The white/gum shoes remind me of the first Ellington Supra in a very good way. And I would skate the fuck out of those ollie pad Bruins. The Bruin SE was my favorite skateshoes ever once it broke down a bit. My main problem initially was that it was either too long or too narrow, so I had to juggle sizing up or down. (The New Balance Stratford is currently my favorite shoe. The fit is flawless and accommodating)
My biggest issue with the logo is that it doesn't really reflect the extensive design and consideration that went into the shoes.
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I agree with everyone about the name and the logo. While I see the appeal in both, I don't see them working in shoes or anything else I'd consider wearing.
Other than that, I'd back a new skater owned shoe company that is sticking it up to the big corpos.
Maybe be edgier with your ads? No one over 13 really wants to wear any "edgy stuff".
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It would be A bummer to see a project with passion and dedication that is headed in a great direction be derailed because of A logo.
As A retailer/buyer and someone who watches buying trends, talks at length with customers about their habits and interests, it's a bit disheartening to hear you disregard peoples adamant dislike of your logo.
That kind of feedback is pretty valuable, and and after speaking with a few other shops about the brand, we all kinda feel the same way.
It's A corny logo.
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It would be A bummer to see a project with passion and dedication that is headed in a great direction be derailed because of A logo.
As A retailer/buyer and someone who watches buying trends, talks at length with customers about their habits and interests, it's a bit disheartening to hear you disregard peoples adamant dislike of your logo.
That kind of feedback is pretty valuable, and and after speaking with a few other shops about the brand, we all kinda feel the same way.
It's A corny logo.
Maybe block letters ala Baker, just straight FTW?
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Changing the logo to be even more legible would only make it more obvious at how bad the name is.
haha
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Sooo, I think everyone agrees about the name and the logo not being the best. This is free market research, and I really think you should listen to us (the consumers). A good name + a good logo is halfway to success, dont handicap yourself right before you start. It's pretty much up to you if you listen or not.
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If I'm being honest "Footwear that Works" reminds me so much of "Nice Skate Shoes" that I already know I'd never buy it. Graffiti logo aside (you need to fix that too).
I just don't want you to be these guys.
(http://skateandannoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/xgamesshoes.jpg)
I also don't want to be those guys.
Yo, those shoes have a gold, a silver, and a bronze medal. They're obviously good. You dudes don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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One also has to take into account that the slap forum demographic represents a small non-representative proportion of skaters. The average age is what? Closing in on 30?
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Yep, I'm listening, and combined with some possible trademark issues I'm going to change the name. I actually had a first one before FTW that I may go back to if I can get it through trademark shit. You'll be happy to know it's one word with two syllables. I'll keep ya posted.
And thanks guys, I really do appreciate the support, the comments, the hate, all of it. It matters.
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Yep, I'm listening, and combined with some possible trademark issues I'm going to change the name. I actually had a first one before FTW that I may go back to if I can get it through trademark shit. You'll be happy to know it's one word with two syllables. I'll keep ya posted.
And thanks guys, I really do appreciate the support, the comments, the hate, all of it. It matters.
Take the advice and then look at the successful shoe companies like Vans. Their image is a big reason they are still successful, their shoes aren't even the greatest or most durable. If you can get a good image AND have shoes to back it up then you are golden.
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I'm not logo designer by any means but I had this idea... It's simpler and has the 3 letters in it too. I did 3 options but i could do more variations of it.
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag474/miguelsk8/7ecee88f-92a1-4a66-9e19-ba567e9a782b_zpscbt7nhwh.jpg)
Really digging that logo. I can see that on the Gazelle inspired shoe, easily.
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Last 3 skate shoes I bought...
I bought 2 pairs of Dunk Lows at this mall skateshop called Mainland. Both on sale for $60. Would never pay the full price of $90 for them though.
And then I just bought a pair of HUF Soto's for full price from a local shop called Ground Zero. They retail at $70, but I honestly wasn't looking at the price. I was stoked on them. I would've paid $80. Ended up getting 15% off when I went to pay cause the dude was cool. Always getting hooked up there.
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FTW reminds me about a guy in Philly who had an FTW tattoo and worked at a Carvel store. His nickname was Fudgie the Whale. Its better than his friend who was known as Ball Bag.
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Rad to see another skate-only brand emerging. Those two designs look pretty proper, the black bruin-ish one looks killer.
Last three shoes I've skated were Emerica Reynolds vulc (great), Bruin Hyperfeel (meh), and Vans Slip-On pro. Purchased @ skate warehouse.
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Yep, I'm listening, and combined with some possible trademark issues I'm going to change the name. I actually had a first one before FTW that I may go back to if I can get it through trademark shit. You'll be happy to know it's one word with two syllables. I'll keep ya posted.
And thanks guys, I really do appreciate the support, the comments, the hate, all of it. It matters.
Glad you are listening. I really want your project to succeed!
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Anything at Agenda to check out?
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Anything at Agenda to check out?
Nope, we'll miss it. I might be down there just to cruise around and hang out though.
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Personally I like the name (am I the only one?) but thought it would have been more biker/ iron cross/ indy-inspired logo ttyt (image search "FTW biker" but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about anyway).
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call it zamboni footwear
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One thing I'd think would be amazing that is not offered ( although I don't know the logistics of how much it would make your life suck ) would be offering an option on the insole.
Hear me out...
I like a lot of the emerica/es shoes but their insoles blow and having to buy new insoles for a new shoe is ridiculous.
It would be rad if a company offered the same shoe with upgrade insole options. Maybe just two one for flatter feet and one with an arch support to start and then add a $5-10 upgrade fee. I would have kept buying es but when I can get a pair of adidas off the shelf that I don't have to do anything to that feel amazing, I'm not gonna buy the shoe just because it may be a few bucks cheaper and skater owned.
Being old, comfort and support are my top concerns. If you can figure that out I'll buy at least a couple pair to support the cause.
And fwiw I really appreciate you listening and taking the criticism ( good and bad ) and actually thinking about it
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One thing I'd think would be amazing that is not offered ( although I don't know the logistics of how much it would make your life suck ) would be offering an option on the insole.
Hear me out...
I like a lot of the emerica/es shoes but their insoles blow and having to buy new insoles for a new shoe is ridiculous.
It would be rad if a company offered the same shoe with upgrade insole options. Maybe just two one for flatter feet and one with an arch support to start and then add a $5-10 upgrade fee. I would have kept buying es but when I can get a pair of adidas off the shelf that I don't have to do anything to that feel amazing, I'm not gonna buy the shoe just because it may be a few bucks cheaper and skater owned.
Being old, comfort and support are my top concerns. If you can figure that out I'll buy at least a couple pair to support the cause.
And fwiw I really appreciate you listening and taking the criticism ( good and bad ) and actually thinking about it
This.
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One thing I'd think would be amazing that is not offered ( although I don't know the logistics of how much it would make your life suck ) would be offering an option on the insole.
Hear me out...
I like a lot of the emerica/es shoes but their insoles blow and having to buy new insoles for a new shoe is ridiculous.
It would be rad if a company offered the same shoe with upgrade insole options. Maybe just two one for flatter feet and one with an arch support to start and then add a $5-10 upgrade fee. I would have kept buying es but when I can get a pair of adidas off the shelf that I don't have to do anything to that feel amazing, I'm not gonna buy the shoe just because it may be a few bucks cheaper and skater owned.
Being old, comfort and support are my top concerns. If you can figure that out I'll buy at least a couple pair to support the cause.
And fwiw I really appreciate you listening and taking the criticism ( good and bad ) and actually thinking about it
Good idea, been talking about it for years, but it's definitely a logistic nightmare. Nike ID used to get away with it since they did those custom builds and they had a longer wait time, but it definitely puts a company in a weird spot. Let's say I make 1000 pairs of a certain shoe, and it can come with insole A or insole B. Do I order 500 pairs or each? What if everyone likes insole A, and the 500 sell out? What do I do with insole B? You get stuck sitting on 500 of those things and then if people don't want the shoe you got 500 shoes sitting. I think the way it could work would be sort of combining a shoe company model with an aftermarket insole model. Like, Shoe with insole A costs 65 bucks but you can buy insole B which works with the shoe for an extra $10 or whatever like you said. Back when we did the Boston 2 (fuck it, autocorrect three times, it can be the Rick Boston model for all I care) we talked about offering a separate insole, but it gets expensive fast. I think one of the Kobes came with multiple insoles, but again, pricey.
My goal here is to make a good insole from the jump, and don't waste money in the shoe on dumb shit like technology you don't need or whatever, so hopefully that will cover you.
And no problem, I've been doing this for a long fucking time, so you get a thick skin and learn how to listen (and when not to.)
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One thing I'd think would be amazing that is not offered ( although I don't know the logistics of how much it would make your life suck ) would be offering an option on the insole.
Hear me out...
I like a lot of the emerica/es shoes but their insoles blow and having to buy new insoles for a new shoe is ridiculous.
It would be rad if a company offered the same shoe with upgrade insole options. Maybe just two one for flatter feet and one with an arch support to start and then add a $5-10 upgrade fee. I would have kept buying es but when I can get a pair of adidas off the shelf that I don't have to do anything to that feel amazing, I'm not gonna buy the shoe just because it may be a few bucks cheaper and skater owned.
Being old, comfort and support are my top concerns. If you can figure that out I'll buy at least a couple pair to support the cause.
And fwiw I really appreciate you listening and taking the criticism ( good and bad ) and actually thinking about it
Good idea, been talking about it for years, but it's definitely a logistic nightmare. Nike ID used to get away with it since they did those custom builds and they had a longer wait time, but it definitely puts a company in a weird spot. Let's say I make 1000 pairs of a certain shoe, and it can come with insole A or insole B. Do I order 500 pairs or each? What if everyone likes insole A, and the 500 sell out? What do I do with insole B? You get stuck sitting on 500 of those things and then if people don't want the shoe you got 500 shoes sitting. I think the way it could work would be sort of combining a shoe company model with an aftermarket insole model. Like, Shoe with insole A costs 65 bucks but you can buy insole B which works with the shoe for an extra $10 or whatever like you said. Back when we did the Boston 2 (fuck it, autocorrect three times, it can be the Rick Boston model for all I care) we talked about offering a separate insole, but it gets expensive fast. I think one of the Kobes came with multiple insoles, but again, pricey.
My goal here is to make a good insole from the jump, and don't waste money in the shoe on dumb shit like technology you don't need or whatever, so hopefully that will cover you.
And no problem, I've been doing this for a long fucking time, so you get a thick skin and learn how to listen (and when not to.)
Kove VII had something similar, I think they retailed for $140, but with the strap/insole add on, add another $40.
(http://hiphopsince1987.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Nike-Kobe-VII-7-System-Supreme-Unveiled-8-600x424.jpg)
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I like those black and white and the white and gums a lot, idk if it matters but I feel the tread/grip of the shoes should Probably be like Nike/adidas/fallen and be that wavy/herringbone tread cause it's just so flexible and grippy but make sure it's a good rubber cause I know c1rca and lakai tries to copy that herringbone tread Nike puts on most of their shoes and they just don't hold up as well. Looks the same and you think it would perform the same but the quality of rubber makes a difference to how well it'll flex and grip.
Also try for making the sole consistently something protective like what adidas did with Silas's second shoe where the sole was made to spread impact where the heel lands
Any cupsole ideas try to make them like the puma suede cupsole, it's thin but surprising not too thin that you lose impact protection and still get a nice amount of board feel
Last 3 pairs were new balance pj ladd, new balance Quincy, and now the Nike sb blazer low. I know it bad I'm supporting non skater root shoe brands but let's be real, they actually make really quality lasting shoes that feel good and work good.
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I like those black and white and the white and gums a lot, idk if it matters but I feel the tread/grip of the shoes should Probably be like Nike/adidas/fallen and be that wavy/herringbone tread cause it's just so flexible and grippy but make sure it's a good rubber cause I know c1rca and lakai tries to copy that herringbone tread Nike puts on most of their shoes and they just don't hold up as well. Looks the same and you think it would perform the same but the quality of rubber makes a difference to how well it'll flex and grip.
Also try for making the sole consistently something protective like what adidas did with Silas's second shoe where the sole was made to spread impact where the heel lands
Any cupsole ideas try to make them like the puma suede cupsole, it's thin but surprising not too thin that you lose impact protection and still get a nice amount of board feel
Last 3 pairs were new balance pj ladd, new balance Quincy, and now the Nike sb blazer low. I know it bad I'm supporting non skater root shoe brands but let's be real, they actually make really quality lasting shoes that feel good and work good.
You clearly havn't tried the sole they've been using since the Griffin came out...
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I like those black and white and the white and gums a lot, idk if it matters but I feel the tread/grip of the shoes should Probably be like Nike/adidas/fallen and be that wavy/herringbone tread cause it's just so flexible and grippy but make sure it's a good rubber cause I know c1rca and lakai tries to copy that herringbone tread Nike puts on most of their shoes and they just don't hold up as well. Looks the same and you think it would perform the same but the quality of rubber makes a difference to how well it'll flex and grip.
Also try for making the sole consistently something protective like what adidas did with Silas's second shoe where the sole was made to spread impact where the heel lands
Any cupsole ideas try to make them like the puma suede cupsole, it's thin but surprising not too thin that you lose impact protection and still get a nice amount of board feel
Last 3 pairs were new balance pj ladd, new balance Quincy, and now the Nike sb blazer low. I know it bad I'm supporting non skater root shoe brands but let's be real, they actually make really quality lasting shoes that feel good and work good.
Lakai holds up. Stop talking about things you don't know
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One thing I'd think would be amazing that is not offered ( although I don't know the logistics of how much it would make your life suck ) would be offering an option on the insole.
Hear me out...
I like a lot of the emerica/es shoes but their insoles blow and having to buy new insoles for a new shoe is ridiculous.
It would be rad if a company offered the same shoe with upgrade insole options. Maybe just two one for flatter feet and one with an arch support to start and then add a $5-10 upgrade fee. I would have kept buying es but when I can get a pair of adidas off the shelf that I don't have to do anything to that feel amazing, I'm not gonna buy the shoe just because it may be a few bucks cheaper and skater owned.
Being old, comfort and support are my top concerns. If you can figure that out I'll buy at least a couple pair to support the cause.
And fwiw I really appreciate you listening and taking the criticism ( good and bad ) and actually thinking about it
Good idea, been talking about it for years, but it's definitely a logistic nightmare. Nike ID used to get away with it since they did those custom builds and they had a longer wait time, but it definitely puts a company in a weird spot. Let's say I make 1000 pairs of a certain shoe, and it can come with insole A or insole B. Do I order 500 pairs or each? What if everyone likes insole A, and the 500 sell out? What do I do with insole B? You get stuck sitting on 500 of those things and then if people don't want the shoe you got 500 shoes sitting. I think the way it could work would be sort of combining a shoe company model with an aftermarket insole model. Like, Shoe with insole A costs 65 bucks but you can buy insole B which works with the shoe for an extra $10 or whatever like you said. Back when we did the Boston 2 (fuck it, autocorrect three times, it can be the Rick Boston model for all I care) we talked about offering a separate insole, but it gets expensive fast. I think one of the Kobes came with multiple insoles, but again, pricey.
My goal here is to make a good insole from the jump, and don't waste money in the shoe on dumb shit like technology you don't need or whatever, so hopefully that will cover you.
And no problem, I've been doing this for a long fucking time, so you get a thick skin and learn how to listen (and when not to.)
What about having a stock insole in shoes,then selling a better option insole online and in stores for$5/10.
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Tate, yeah that one.
Micky, definitely an option.
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Tate, yeah that one.
Micky, definitely an option.
eS is doing it so maybe wait a bit and see how theirs sells and how it is reviewed.
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I want those Kobe ankle cuffs, in any other color.
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FTW reminds me about a guy in Philly who had an FTW tattoo and worked at a Carvel store. His nickname was Fudgie the Whale. Its better than his friend who was known as Ball Bag.
His friend wasn't named Cookie Puss?
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Fwiw, let me know if you want/need help with a website
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Fwiw, let me know if you want/need help with a website
definitely will. getting this name shit sorted then I'll hit you up, thanks!
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I like those black and white and the white and gums a lot, idk if it matters but I feel the tread/grip of the shoes should Probably be like Nike/adidas/fallen and be that wavy/herringbone tread cause it's just so flexible and grippy but make sure it's a good rubber cause I know c1rca and lakai tries to copy that herringbone tread Nike puts on most of their shoes and they just don't hold up as well. Looks the same and you think it would perform the same but the quality of rubber makes a difference to how well it'll flex and grip.
Also try for making the sole consistently something protective like what adidas did with Silas's second shoe where the sole was made to spread impact where the heel lands
Any cupsole ideas try to make them like the puma suede cupsole, it's thin but surprising not too thin that you lose impact protection and still get a nice amount of board feel
Last 3 pairs were new balance pj ladd, new balance Quincy, and now the Nike sb blazer low. I know it bad I'm supporting non skater root shoe brands but let's be real, they actually make really quality lasting shoes that feel good and work good.
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I like those black and white and the white and gums a lot, idk if it matters but I feel the tread/grip of the shoes should Probably be like Nike/adidas/fallen and be that wavy/herringbone tread cause it's just so flexible and grippy but make sure it's a good rubber cause I know c1rca and lakai tries to copy that herringbone tread Nike puts on most of their shoes and they just don't hold up as well. Looks the same and you think it would perform the same but the quality of rubber makes a difference to how well it'll flex and grip.
Also try for making the sole consistently something protective like what adidas did with Silas's second shoe where the sole was made to spread impact where the heel lands
Any cupsole ideas try to make them like the puma suede cupsole, it's thin but surprising not too thin that you lose impact protection and still get a nice amount of board feel
Last 3 pairs were new balance pj ladd, new balance Quincy, and now the Nike sb blazer low. I know it bad I'm supporting non skater root shoe brands but let's be real, they actually make really quality lasting shoes that feel good and work good.
i know what im talking about, the lakai griffins were my second pair of lakais i ever owned(first were the carroll selects) and they were good for a month and a half but after that they started flopping. they looked really nice and skated nice but like emerica and eS they started to flop out. ive had the emerica laced and eS square 2's. nike doesnt flop out for a good while. i had a pair of janoskis that last a whopping 3 months before i gave them up. and it didnt flop like my griffins. seriously the quality rubber of the sole matters cause its what hold the upper together besides the stitching. if you got a good base youll have a good standing shoe.
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Is the new name Proper now?? Like, officially??
I like it. Although, I wouldn't give a shit about the name as long as the shoes were good, I do like this name better.
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I can see Proper being a better name.
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Proper sounds like a cool name and the new P logo look really nice too! 😉
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What did I miss? Where are you getting Proper from?
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He changed up his insta, deleted all the old stuff. It threw me off for a minute, didn't know who I was following.
https://www.instagram.com/properskateboarding/ (https://www.instagram.com/properskateboarding/)
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He changed up his insta, deleted all the old stuff. It threw me off for a minute, didn't know who I was following.
https://www.instagram.com/properskateboarding/ (https://www.instagram.com/properskateboarding/)
I searched FTW like i used too and it appeared in this new form... I didnt mind it.
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Proper is a cool name, I don't like the logo though. The octagon/diamond thing is kind of lame, would rather the P logo be a shoelace or something.
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Wait, he actually changed the name out?
While proper sounds pretty classic (and reminds me of 'simple shoes') that P logo is gunna get all mixed up that palace/ politic/ polar/ poler shit
Don't you dare make a hat with a single P on it :D
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proper footwear has a nice ring too it, i'm backing it
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I like the P. If you look at it, it actually looks a little unique. I get the whole Polar, Palace thing though. Also, Primitive uses a "P" on everything.
But, if used correctly, who cares. No one is going to notice.
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I like the P. If you look at it, it actually looks a little unique. I get the whole Polar, Palace thing though. Also, Primitive uses a "P" on everything.
But, if used correctly, who cares. No one is going to notice.
I hope kids and hypebeasts mistake that P. It only means more sales that way! :D
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2 pentagons to form the points of a decagon. I dig it. Also like the Escher style P
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There are already two Proper companies I know of. One is a shoe shop in Long Beach. Been there for ages. The other one is a food company that seems to be popping up around SF. There are a ton of other Proper brands as well but I guess no footwear. Better name though.
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Thanks everyone, yeah it's Proper now, which was actually my first name idea when I started working on this. Trademark shit is a bitch, everything has been done, etc but I'm psyched on it. More soon...
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Thanks everyone, yeah it's Proper now, which was actually my first name idea when I started working on this. Trademark shit is a bitch, everything has been done, etc but I'm psyched on it. More soon...
Man, that's gotta be a relief. Can't imagine how bummed Mother must have been when they had to change their name to Quasi.
It was weird at first, but I think it's grown on everyone.
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proper is a great name and the escher p is great.
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"Proper"? Mine as well call them "posh" and make the logo a dude sitting down sipping tea.
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So, does this mean samples and the overall launch of the brand gonna be pushed back at all??
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"Proper"? Mine as well call them "posh" and make the logo a dude sitting down sipping tea.
Proper is a good name, Posh is dumb. You mine as well just sit down and have some tea homie.
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psyched to see where this goes...new logo looks good g
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"Proper"? Mine as well call them "posh" and make the logo a dude sitting down sipping tea.
Currently sippin' on some "breathe deep" tea by Yogi. It's the bomb yo.
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So, does this mean samples and the overall launch of the brand gonna be pushed back at all??
Nope, we should still be on schedule, got some tooling adjustments to make but that should be fine. I just gotta figure out how much it's gonna cost me to take that finger logo off the bottom.
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Proper sounds much better!
Sounds upscale and classy, and rather quite British.
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I like the logo. I thought of Politic for a sec but I doubt that anyone will mistake the logo for Polar/Poler/Politic/Palace/etc...
Will you be based in Portland or in CA?
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I like the logo. I thought of Politic for a sec but I doubt that anyone will mistake the logo for Polar/Poler/Politic/Palace/etc...
Will you be based in Portland or in CA?
Half and half, the production and development guys are in LA, art director and I are up here.
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Take a look at State, even though they are skater owned the designs are boring just like Dekline. I don't see them lasting even with the team they have. Watch out and please try to make shoes that get people hyped when they look down at their feet.
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Take a look at State, even though they are skater owned the designs are boring just like Dekline. I don't see them lasting even with the team they have. Watch out and please try to make shoes that get people hyped when they look down at their feet.
That's the plan.
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are you going the vulc route or the cupsole route?
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are you going the vulc route or the cupsole route?
He has said cupsole before.
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are you going the vulc route or the cupsole route?
He has said cupsole before.
oh whoops, i guess a better question would have been what shoe silhouette types/designs he was considering, which might have also been answered.
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are you going the vulc route or the cupsole route?
He has said cupsole before.
look at page one of the thread for some sillhouettes.
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The new name is better and I like the Escher logo.
you could do some consistent, slightly offwhite tone for the soles, that makes them readily identifiable. Which makes me wonder, is it more expensive to do a non-white sole?
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I prefer solid or non high contrast between sole and upper, but the vast majority of shoes are white sole + whatever upper. I do skate white sole/dark upper sometimes, but can't help feeling like it's sort of a cartoonish look, like old school Mikey Mouse or something. Sometimes it looks good, but I can't shake the weird association.
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The new name is better and I like the Escher logo.
you could do some consistent, slightly offwhite tone for the soles, that makes them readily identifiable. Which makes me wonder, is it more expensive to do a non-white sole?
Ha, interesting you should bring that up. I have had that conversation (to no real result) about gum vs. white a couple times. I am definitely curious as well.
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last 3 are huf classic lows, dylan slip ons, and vans slip on pros (2x), i like skating in slip ons/will pay 50-70 usually
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are you going the vulc route or the cupsole route?
He has said cupsole before.
Yessir, cupsole.
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The new name is better and I like the Escher logo.
you could do some consistent, slightly offwhite tone for the soles, that makes them readily identifiable. Which makes me wonder, is it more expensive to do a non-white sole?
Thanks. You can do that color, yeah. It's a weird one, it actually doesn't sell all that great usually. It's a fine line between "off white" and "why does this new shoe look dirty?"
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The new name is better and I like the Escher logo.
you could do some consistent, slightly offwhite tone for the soles, that makes them readily identifiable. Which makes me wonder, is it more expensive to do a non-white sole?
Ha, interesting you should bring that up. I have had that conversation (to no real result) about gum vs. white a couple times. I am definitely curious as well.
Haha...oh and on the cost, sometimes gum costs a little bit more but white vs off white would be about the same.
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last 3 are huf classic lows, dylan slip ons, and vans slip on pros (2x), i like skating in slip ons/will pay 50-70 usually
Speaking to this, make a good cupsole slip on. I was excited before the Owen was released and there were rumors it was going to be a cupsole slip on.
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last 3 are huf classic lows, dylan slip ons, and vans slip on pros (2x), i like skating in slip ons/will pay 50-70 usually
Speaking to this, make a good cupsole slip on. I was excited before the Owen was released and there were rumors it was going to be a cupsole slip on.
I was just thinking about this a couple days ago actually.
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last 3 are huf classic lows, dylan slip ons, and vans slip on pros (2x), i like skating in slip ons/will pay 50-70 usually
Speaking to this, make a good cupsole slip on. I was excited before the Owen was released and there were rumors it was going to be a cupsole slip on.
I was just thinking about this a couple days ago actually.
Definitely backing a cupsole slip-on.
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The new name is better and I like the Escher logo.
you could do some consistent, slightly offwhite tone for the soles, that makes them readily identifiable. Which makes me wonder, is it more expensive to do a non-white sole?
Thanks. You can do that color, yeah. It's a weird one, it actually doesn't sell all that great usually. It's a fine line between "off white" and "why does this new shoe look dirty?"
yeah. It is a fine line. A friend of mine once bought a set of wheels that were off white and they basically looked like dirty old wheels right off the bat lol. I could see it being even more of an issue with shoes.
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Any updates?? I've been seeing baravettski skating some samples. They look awesome!!!
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Hey dudes, been a while...here's what's up:
@properskateboarding is the IG if you wanna see what's out there so far.
Nate Guest (@hallucinate_g) is on with us as well as Cam Barrett from Portland. Working on a couple more, stay tuned on that.
I get sales samples in correct colors in about three weeks, so once those are shot I'll be sharing some info. Right now looking like April '17 for first drop.
I've been testing samples, mainly to make sure the cupsole works right and it's been fucking great.
Next few weeks will be busy but I'll update when I can.
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Guess you could say it's all going "proper"! Hyuck hyuck hyuck. I'll be here all week, folks. In all seriousness, I hadn't recognized the brand's posts on my IG feed... now I know who it is. The new logo is timeless and the name is good too. Looking forward to see those shoes!
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Thanks for the update!!! Stoked to see them. I'm still available for sample testing. Haha.
You definitely got my money in Spring '17
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Yeah this is pretty hype af now. I'm stoked for you. The shoes are looking good. Especially the Bruinish one.
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no photos of the shoes?
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Samples are shipping from the factory today, so in like a week or so I'll have em.
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Samples are shipping from the factory today, so in like a week or so I'll have em.
Hyped to see them! :)
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Working on this catalog over here...
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those tall guys look good, also like the bruin-esque white/gum
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Awesome to see it's coming together and excited to see what you end up with!
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Looking good.
congrats on your brand and good luck.
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Definitely like the Bruin looking ones. The box looked great on instagram too. Hope you do well.
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Same here: those bruin style black/gums are buttery. Good luck!
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Yeah, the boxes look great. I never understood why more time isn't put into the packaging. More expensive, yeah but if I'm asking to try on a pair and I see it comes in a cool box, I get more stoked. Maybe it's the kid in me. Haha
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White/Gum has a lot of features similar to a Fred Perry shoe I rock.
Hugely digging the aesthetic! Nothing outside the box, just clean simple designs.
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I really like the second one, the all black model. All in all, they're nice, clean, elegant designs and the hightops are appealing. The box is neat, eye-catching, too. Good job!
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damn really clean, minimal without it being a unsupported vulc shoe! when will they be available for us to purchase?
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I want and I don't even do cupsoles. Hey baravettski, I remember you posting some ftw samples on here a while back. Do you think nike were sharking your shit when they did that ftw blazer not long after?
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The white/gum shoes look stupid good. Are they leather or just a smooth suede?
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Really like the hi top! The box is very rad also, definitely going to scoop a pair.
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High tops look goooood!
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Beatrice posted a pic of the white/gum bruin type shoe on her insta earlier but it's been taken down now. Genuinely hope I can get my hands on a pair in the uk.
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My bad - was on her story
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/15gbhag.jpg)
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^^ Those shoes are fine. I saw the story too.
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My bad - was on her story
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/15gbhag.jpg)
Those look sweeeet! The green touch is dope, the sole seems nice and the toe shape looks "proper" as fuck too.
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My bad - was on her story
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/15gbhag.jpg)
Shape looks great! Is there an ollie patch on there that we can't see in that catalog photo?
I'd rock a black with white sole in that one for sure.
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My bad - was on her story
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/15gbhag.jpg)
Those look sweeeet! The green touch is dope, the sole seems nice and the toe shape looks "proper" as fuck too.
Hey Baravettski,
I know im not in the norm of shoe sizes, i know smaller brands dont always make every size. any chance youre going to make 7's?
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These all look really really good. Bravo.
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Thanks everyone. All of them are suede, no leather yet. Getting these things sent off to team dudes, more updates soon...
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Watson - yep there's an ollie patch.
shit_for_brians - thanks!
pointandclick - yeah, planning on going down to 6
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All of those shoes look amazing
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Looking forward to picking up a pair or two.
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What's the expected price on these beauties?
Also my two cents: for some reason they all looka bit heavy, I know it's just the looks but that what i felt looking at them.
Maybe because I had those (http://skately.com/img/library/shoes/large/etnies-scam.jpg) in brown back in the days, and they were fucking heavy, but good otherwises.
The sole looks good, maybe a couple milimeters too big but those are all shoe you look at and feel like you want to skate them.
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Do you only skate vulcs? Because these don't look any thicker or heavier than ay other cupsole, save for the super minimal ones like the Laced or Figgy.
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Those look also classic but perfect (https://scontent-mrs1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/15276568_377585545924729_4040513663650496512_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTQwMTc2OTM1ODU2MDM5MTExMA%3D%3D.2)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BN0WCY1BNji/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BN0WCY1BNji/)
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Do you only skate vulcs? Because these don't look any thicker or heavier than ay other cupsole, save for the super minimal ones like the Laced or Figgy.
I actually skate more cupsoles than vulc, but maybe it's not the sole. It could be the angle of the pictures or the padding, or the fact that there is not a stripe in the side of the sole that makes it look slimmer. I don't say that as a negative criticism. I'm being honest, when I looked at them (specially in the multiple shoes picture), they looked a like they'd weight a bit more than typical shoes.
It's purely optical perception, it could be the fact that there are no logos, so my brain feels like something is wrong.
I'd probably have a different perception if there was a lakai/nike/adidas logo on it and a side stripe on the sides of the sole, or some part of the undersole that goes over the lines on the side (I don't know how to describe it accurately), like in the dunks for example
(http://www.flightclub.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x570/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/n/i/nike-dunk-low-pro-iw-ishod-wair-deep-royal-white-gym-red-081301_1.jpg)
The lower blue part of the sole goes into the sides of the sole, and the red lining breaks also the perception of the sole. If it was all white, it would look bigger/heavier. It's just about perception
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wow, those red mid tops look amazing.
congrats, and all the best to you guys!
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Do you only skate vulcs? Because these don't look any thicker or heavier than ay other cupsole, save for the super minimal ones like the Laced or Figgy.
It's purely optical perception, it could be the fact that there are no logos, so my brain feels like something is wrong.
I'd probably have a different perception if there was a lakai/nike/adidas logo on it and a side stripe on the sides of the sole, or some part of the undersole that goes over the lines on the side (I don't know how to describe it accurately), like in the dunks for example
(http://www.flightclub.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x570/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/n/i/nike-dunk-low-pro-iw-ishod-wair-deep-royal-white-gym-red-081301_1.jpg)
The lower blue part of the sole goes into the sides of the sole, and the red lining breaks also the perception of the sole. If it was all white, it would look bigger/heavier. It's just about perception
I get what you're saying. That makes sense now.
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do they do hardflips y/n?
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My bad - was on her story
(http://oi68.tinypic.com/15gbhag.jpg)
Man, can't wait to support!!!
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BN4vzJkg0Dp/?taken-by=properskateboarding (https://www.instagram.com/p/BN4vzJkg0Dp/?taken-by=properskateboarding)
I hadn't paid too much attention to the skate photos/clips so far, just seemed like standard skating for standard advertising, but this is sick.
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Here's a breakdown on the cupsole with some references..
I raised up the height of the sidewall profile to be in the zone of vulc sidewall tape, I went between blazer/bruin vulc height and something like a Vans which is way higher. Most skate cupsoles are actually very low from the side, and yes, the color breaks and stitch lines can make them look even thinner.
I had a theory that if the cupsole was higher with more of a radius it would make the flick better and last longer. To make sure it wasn't a brick we took rubber out of the inside and made the outsole as thin as we could so it's flex but still wears down well. I just got back from a loop to LA and back and everyone that's seen them has said they actually feel lighter then they look, so that's been good too. Here are references of sidewall height up in that flick zone. Dunk is about 19-20mm, blazer is 24mm and Proper is 26mm. That angle from the cupsole stitch up lets us have some extra rubber to stay durable and keeps the flick nice. Durometer for the rubber is a nice balance so that it stays grippy the whole time it wears down. I skated my test pairs all the way through and they stay grippy the whole time.
Turtle Boy, what's the name of that Etnies? We were all trying to remember the other day and I couldn't place it...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png.html)
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Here's a breakdown on the cupsole with some references..
I raised up the height of the sidewall profile to be in the zone of vulc sidewall tape, I went between blazer/bruin vulc height and something like a Vans which is way higher. Most skate cupsoles are actually very low from the side, and yes, the color breaks and stitch lines can make them look even thinner.
I had a theory that if the cupsole was higher with more of a radius it would make the flick better and last longer. To make sure it wasn't a brick we took rubber out of the inside and made the outsole as thin as we could so it's flex but still wears down well. I just got back from a loop to LA and back and everyone that's seen them has said they actually feel lighter then they look, so that's been good too. Here are references of sidewall height up in that flick zone. Dunk is about 19-20mm, blazer is 24mm and Proper is 26mm. That angle from the cupsole stitch up lets us have some extra rubber to stay durable and keeps the flick nice. Durometer for the rubber is a nice balance so that it stays grippy the whole time it wears down. I skated my test pairs all the way through and they stay grippy the whole time.
Turtle Boy, what's the name of that Etnies? We were all trying to remember the other day and I couldn't place it...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png.html)
Thanks for the explanations, it's really interesting to hear about the process.
The Etnies I had were called the Scam, but as usual with Etnies, it came in various names before and after the release of the model I owned. I think one of the versions was called Slam.
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Turtle Boy, what's the name of that Etnies? We were all trying to remember the other day and I couldn't place it...
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/Screen%20Shot%202016-12-12%20at%2010.00.43%20AM_zpsh0m9ztpy.png.html)
etnies scam
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I'll be buying the white/gums for sure!
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SCAM! When I was trying to remember I could only think of the Skol and Screw and it was driving me crazy. Maybe it was SKAM back in the day, because 90's.
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do they do hardflips y/n?
y*
*proper not responsible for illusion hard flips.
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do they do hardflips y/n?
y*
*proper not responsible for illusion hard flips.
Damn it ... the bane of my existence and now I won't be able to blame you when I get a pair!
not my most recent but you can see the struggle is real ...
Hardflip/illusion ratio currently 50/50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZJn1pzKOhQ#)
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never heard of an illusion hardflip, whats the difference?
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A hardflip ( attempt ) that doesn't actually go frontside 180 and flip ( think muska flip but without your body turning ), it also kinda looks like a pressure flip but takes way more effort and is super frustrating ;)
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*proper not responsible for illusion hard flips.
Damn it ... the bane of my existence and now I won't be able to blame you when I get a pair!
not my most recent but you can see the struggle is real ...
Hardflip/illusion ratio currently 50/50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZJn1pzKOhQ#)
yo i think we might be hardflip twins, i have a similar ratio happening
hardflip to illusion ratio also approx 5050 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vNwHMhbb5o&feature=youtu.be#)
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Got mine in the mail today, so sick! Haven't had a chance to skate in them yet but they're comfortable and the cupsoles feel sturdy without feeling like 2x4s tied to my feet.
My reason for posting now is just to ask, does Beatrice really wear size 10.5?
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ungzilla, don't be so hard on yourself man, that one looked great to me! But I feel your pain. I stopped doing frontside flips regular ( switch are fine though ??? ) all together because I couldn't figure out how to not muska flip them. I haven't given up on the hardflips yet though
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Got mine in the mail today, so sick! Haven't had a chance to skate in them yet but they're comfortable and the cupsoles feel sturdy without feeling like 2x4s tied to my feet.
My reason for posting now is just to ask, does Beatrice really wear size 10.5?
Fuck yeah, glad you got em. Keep me posted.
Nope, she's a 9, the samples she has are her size.
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Hardflip proof. File this under "I'm 41 one now so I'm counting it" aka "if it was on defense in a game of SKATE I'm taking that too."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk#)
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Hardflip proof. File this under "I'm 41 one now so I'm counting it" aka "if it was on defense in a game of SKATE I'm taking that too."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk)
Oh damn! That was pretty legit! If you remove the s from https it will load the vid on the page :-* ( btw 40 next june here! oldmanclub )
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damn that was a carroll approved hardflip, illusion ratio close to zero. i like where this thread has ended up.
ungzilla, don't be so hard on yourself man, that one looked great to me! But I feel your pain. I stopped doing frontside flips regular ( switch are fine though ??? ) all together because I couldn't figure out how to not muska flip them. I haven't given up on the hardflips yet though
haha, no worries! i actually kinda like a little bit of a borderline hardflip...
fs flips on the other hand, i've got the opposite issue as you, regular, can do em reasonably-but-not-reynolds flat, but switch they are muska as fuck, and i don't like it at all
ps baravettski: all black high tops, just sayin.
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that was a carroll approved hardflip, illusion ratio close to zero. i like where this thread has ended up.
ps: all black high tops, just sayin.
Thanks!
black high will definitely happen at some point, if not at the launch, second run I reckon.
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Hardflip proof. File this under "I'm 41 one now so I'm counting it" aka "if it was on defense in a game of SKATE I'm taking that too."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk)
Oh damn! That was pretty legit! If you remove the s from https it will load the vid on the page :-* ( btw 40 next june here! oldmanclub )
Thanks and fixed! Next time I can weasel into the swoosh park I'll get a legit one on the euro gap or something. That garage is small and rough and cold. Keeps ya honest.
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Hardflip proof. File this under "I'm 41 one now so I'm counting it" aka "if it was on defense in a game of SKATE I'm taking that too."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAKu0woKNk)
Oh damn! That was pretty legit! If you remove the s from https it will load the vid on the page :-* ( btw 40 next june here! oldmanclub )
Thanks and fixed! Next time I can weasel into the swoosh park I'll get a legit one on the euro gap or something. That garage is small and rough and cold. Keeps ya honest.
pretty legit if you ask me. i cant do them regular only fakie.
have you figured out any sort of distribution, canadian or international?
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Stop getting so hung up on your hardflips. All those looked good and if you're not trying to go pro, fuck it. You are al killing it.
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The last hardflip I landed was at least 10 years ago. Those hardflips look great guys.
I'm over here still trying to get a decently consistent 360 flip. Haha
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
Yep, suede all the way and we used a thicker suede for a little extra durability.
thanks!
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
Yep, suede all the way and we used a thicker suede for a little extra durability.
thanks!
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
Yep, suede all the way and we used a thicker suede for a little extra durability.
thanks!
White/gums are looking so fucking good. I wanna skate in the snow like that.
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
Yep, suede all the way and we used a thicker suede for a little extra durability.
thanks!
White/gums are looking so fucking good. I wanna skate in the snow like that.
I generally don't like white shoes as I feel like a nurse in training wearing etonics or some other weird orthotic shoe. I got a pair of white leather and gum Puma court stars last spring and really dug the colourway.
Your bruin-esque model really does look amazing. What's the model name going to be?
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Cup sole with the bruin toe and ollie patch looks amazing! White/gum and black/gum!
Thanks!
Is the whole shoe suede material?
Looks good, already winner from it being a cupsole.
Yep, suede all the way and we used a thicker suede for a little extra durability.
thanks!
White/gums are looking so fucking good. I wanna skate in the snow like that.
I generally don't like white shoes as I feel like a nurse in training wearing etonics or some other weird orthotic shoe. I got a pair of white leather and gum Puma court stars last spring and really dug the colourway.
Your bruin-esque model really does look amazing. What's the model name going to be?
Thanks! That one's called the Conquista.
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Everything looks so good! Especially the green Conquistas!
But one question will determine if I can care about this company: do you make 7.5s?
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Everything looks so good! Especially the green Conquistas!
But one question will determine if I can care about this company: do you make 7.5s?
Not on the first run, half sizes will start at 8.5, hopefully down the road though. Sorry, I know that sucks.
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Everything about these shoes sucks from the name to the uninspired rip-off designs.
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Give me me Proper Tee.
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Working on this catalog over here...
The all black one on the left with the saddles has an unpictured white colorway too right? I want to see more pics of that.
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Some proper skate models:
https://www.instagram.com/stashedboxes/ (https://www.instagram.com/stashedboxes/)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5aytlDWEh/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5aytlDWEh/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5aoQsjhYM/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5aoQsjhYM/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
"tahoesb They look like the koston 1"
Fuck that made me so mad.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
"tahoesb They look like the koston 1"
Fuck that made me so mad.
this one?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
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They look a lot better skated.
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(http://skateboarding.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/440/files/2017/01/AO3I9074.jpg)
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5bVNEj7fX/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
"tahoesb They look like the koston 1"
Fuck that made me so mad.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes (https://www.instagram.com/p/BO5a9aLD7fg/?taken-by=stashedboxes)
Yeah my bad. What an idiot.
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The toe capped lowtop looks like a brothel creeper
(https://images.mr-shoes.co.uk/Media/Images/Products/600/28346.jpg)
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They look a lot better skated.
Defo. They kinda look like Gats.
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The bruin looking model looks really sick actually, I would totally try out a pair. The high tops are pretty Ipath looking, which is kinda cool since the Ipath summer 2005 promo video is my favorite video of all time and I sometimes get that old Ipath nostalgia induced craving for grasshoper-esque mids. However the model with the recessed lace holes is on some serious Airspeed level, especially the all black model. Any pics of the grip on these?
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I see Caswell Berry always commenting Proper pics on instagram? Is Caswell on Proper?? If not make that happen baravettski! Breaks my hear seeing him skating in those awful Osiris.
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I see Caswell Berry always commenting Proper pics on instagram? Is Caswell on Proper?? If not make that happen baravettski! Breaks my hear seeing him skating in those awful Osiris.
It ain't cheap living in SJ doggie.
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I see Caswell Berry always commenting Proper pics on instagram? Is Caswell on Proper?? If not make that happen baravettski! Breaks my hear seeing him skating in those awful Osiris.
Caswell and Devine Calloway. He's always on there, too.
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I see Caswell Berry always commenting Proper pics on instagram? Is Caswell on Proper?? If not make that happen baravettski! Breaks my hear seeing him skating in those awful Osiris.
I've noticed that too. I wonder how Osiris feels about that. I suppose they stopped caring about skateboarding a long time ago.
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
We ended up doing Agenda last minute but it went pretty well, and I put the catalog up on properskateboarding.com if you guys wanna check it out.
I'm coming up on about 6 weeks of skating these things, psyched on how they have been holding up.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg.html)
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
We ended up doing Agenda last minute but it went pretty well, and I put the catalog up on properskateboarding.com if you guys wanna check it out.
I'm coming up on about 6 weeks of skating these things, psyched on how they have been holding up.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg.html)
stoked on this.
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
We ended up doing Agenda last minute but it went pretty well, and I put the catalog up on properskateboarding.com if you guys wanna check it out.
I'm coming up on about 6 weeks of skating these things, psyched on how they have been holding up.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg.html)
so fucking cool to read that, btw im not too cupsole-ish but those thread wear bubbles make it look like there IS enough boardfeel, how would you categorize it ? full cup feel/sorta cup ?
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
That's fucking dope! They both would be great to boost the brand popularity. I love their skating!
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
We ended up doing Agenda last minute but it went pretty well, and I put the catalog up on properskateboarding.com if you guys wanna check it out.
I'm coming up on about 6 weeks of skating these things, psyched on how they have been holding up.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg.html)
Thinner outsole on the bottom than a traditional cup, but higher and thicker walls around the forefoot to offset that. So you're low to the ground but supported still and not all stiff and gross. Durometer is soft enough to grip but not so soft that it burns out too fast. Cupsole stitch helps keep it together as long as possible.
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Saw Ryan Gallant post on the Proper IG--you should send him stuff too.
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Saw Ryan Gallant post on the Proper IG--you should send him stuff too.
Also a size issue, but working on it.
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Also send Slap Pals stuff since we're assembling your team of pros.
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Also send Slap Pals stuff since we're assembling your team of pros.
That was quick I didn't even get to finish my post about how slap will take credit no matter what.
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Wow, I'm stoked. They keep looking better and better.
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
Thanks! Just added some extra shoe pics as galleries as well. Talking to shops and getting ready to put the factory order in. Psyched and terrified.
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
Thanks! Just added some extra shoe pics as galleries as well. Talking to shops and getting ready to put the factory order in. Psyched and terrified.
any chance youve lined anything up for canada?
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
Thanks! Just added some extra shoe pics as galleries as well. Talking to shops and getting ready to put the factory order in. Psyched and terrified.
Yeah, working it. Should have something up there for the first launch.
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
Thanks! Just added some extra shoe pics as galleries as well. Talking to shops and getting ready to put the factory order in. Psyched and terrified.
Good luck! Hope it works out.
If you can, push the guys that are wearing your shoes to make some videos talking about the shoes.
I know it's a bit lame, but the youtube video/weartest is slowly replacing the catalogs.
You're probably looking for a more mature demographic, but I know a lot of kids that check every weartest/videos content they can find about a shoe before deciding to buy it.
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This shoes look sick so far!
Would definitely like to try a pair, and the Conquista is looking really nice, as well as the other models.
I'm not sure if anyone has said it, but is the model with the recessed lace loops based off the KCK? I can see a resemblance...
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Just checked out the catalog. Looks awesome. You guys are really killing it
Thanks! Just added some extra shoe pics as galleries as well. Talking to shops and getting ready to put the factory order in. Psyched and terrified.
Good luck! Hope it works out.
If you can, push the guys that are wearing your shoes to make some videos talking about the shoes.
I know it's a bit lame, but the youtube video/weartest is slowly replacing the catalogs.
You're probably looking for a more mature demographic, but I know a lot of kids that check every weartest/videos content they can find about a shoe before deciding to buy it.
I used to make a ton of the videos at Nike, I could probably add a bunch of that shit to my youtube channel, Proper and other shoes as well, if peeps would be into it.
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Talked to both Dev and Caswell, working on getting them some stuff to try when I get the right sizes.
We ended up doing Agenda last minute but it went pretty well, and I put the catalog up on properskateboarding.com if you guys wanna check it out.
I'm coming up on about 6 weeks of skating these things, psyched on how they have been holding up.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/81B39639-19FB-453B-B44A-FD5B2E510B90_zpsha2zy6de.jpg.html)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a74/sbaravetto/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg) (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/sbaravetto/media/7CE674C7-EEBB-4166-87DF-0C3A8A8DF080_zpsz3ml0grk.jpg.html)
Thinner outsole on the bottom than a traditional cup, but higher and thicker walls around the forefoot to offset that. So you're low to the ground but supported still and not all stiff and gross. Durometer is soft enough to grip but not so soft that it burns out too fast. Cupsole stitch helps keep it together as long as possible.
fuck yea, so when can i order this colorway? #9 :)
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Do you have anything sorted for UK distribution? I'm super stoked on the conquista, and need to know if I can purchase these from my local, or if I have to horde them from EU shops in the 2 years before we brexit. also, do they have a foam midsole or crated?
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When does the shop go live?? I'm ready to purchase!!!
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Yeah, I talked to one UK distributor so far, and the launch will be in May for everything. Gettin' closer!
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Stoked. Euro guy here, looking forward to scooping up a pair.
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Stoked. Euro guy here, looking forward to scooping up a pair.
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Jenkem put an article up:
http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/05/05/introducing-proper-skateboardings-indie-shoe-brand/ (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2017/05/05/introducing-proper-skateboardings-indie-shoe-brand/)
Great read, I'd love to give the shoes a try if I can find some.
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That's funny you referred to the Pure as bulky haha. I remeber getting those back when and thinking how they had such great boardfeel. But yeah good luck to you dude!
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Thanks everyone, been a busy and skressful couple months but it's about to be on. We put some shirts up on the website as a soft launch to get rolling, shoes should be in at the end of July, working on a video with the dudes for when they hit.
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Thanks everyone, been a busy and skressful couple months but it's about to be on. We put some shirts up on the website as a soft launch to get rolling, shoes should be in at the end of July, working on a video with the dudes for when they hit.
awesome, stoked on the update. figure out canadian distro?
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Hey friends, properskateboarding.com is live and shoes are ready to order. Shipping some orders to shops today, if you guys know any local shops that you think should carry em, let me know.
If any of you guys do shoe orders today I'll throw a pair of socks in there. Consider it a thank you to the Slap Pals for listening and commenting and talking shit and everything else.
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Also if there's anything specific you'd like to see in a shoe description let me know.
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I need shoes about as much as I need my scrotum pierced, but I've been waiting for those white/gum joints for a minute.
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Hey friends, properskateboarding.com is live and shoes are ready to order. Shipping some orders to shops today, if you guys know any local shops that you think should carry em, let me know.
If any of you guys do shoe orders today I'll throw a pair of socks in there. Consider it a thank you to the Slap Pals for listening and commenting and talking shit and everything else.
waiting till payday. any chance instead of socks there could be a better deal to canada?
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Damn dude, minimum $49 shipping to Ireland. :( I'm not that surprised, it is what it is, but I can't justify 130 shoes. Let me know when you guys sort a Euro distributor anyway! Best of luck Baravettski!
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Hey friends, properskateboarding.com is live and shoes are ready to order. Shipping some orders to shops today, if you guys know any local shops that you think should carry em, let me know.
If any of you guys do shoe orders today I'll throw a pair of socks in there. Consider it a thank you to the Slap Pals for listening and commenting and talking shit and everything else.
yeah, I should be able to figure that out.
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Let me know when you guys sort a Euro distributor anyway! Best of luck Baravettski!
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Not really about the description, but on feet pictures could be cool. Lakai used to do this and I think sometimes it gives a more accurate idea of the shape/fit of the shoe. Granted, the pants that you choose for the picture is important too :D
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yeah good call, I'll get that going. Thanks!
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yeah good call, I'll get that going. Thanks!
Also, on your instagram make some identificable hastags. People like to go through instagram and check other peoples pictures of your shoes.
Making a distingable yet easy hashtag can be good to build some presence on instagram especially among the young public.
Adidas and eS are good in the hashtag game (besides the #eS_ACCEL_Slim that is a too long # in my opinion), but Nike and etnies are kinda bad (most of the jamesons lines or maranas lines uses the same # in the etnies insta)
I can see something like #proper_cinex or #proper_rook for example. It's really easy to implement, and it can really help to build your visibility.
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yeah good call, I'll get that going. Thanks!
Making a distingable yet easy hashtag can be good to build some presence on instagram especially among the young public.
Adidas and eS are good in the hashtag game (besides the #eS_ACCEL_Slim that is a too long # in my opinion), but Nike and etnies are kinda bad (most of the jamesons lines or maranas lines uses the same # in the etnies insta)
I can see something like #proper_cinex or #proper_rook for example. It's really easy to implement, and it can really help to build your visibility.
2 thirsty
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Damn dude, minimum $49 shipping to Ireland. :( I'm not that surprised, it is what it is, but I can't justify 130 shoes. Let me know when you guys sort a Euro distributor anyway! Best of luck Baravettski!
Have you looked into a euro distro? Deal with Rock Solid who are real good, Wes is the man to speak to, also Form, they do all the Crailtap shit for the UK
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Damn dude, minimum $49 shipping to Ireland. :( I'm not that surprised, it is what it is, but I can't justify 130 shoes. Let me know when you guys sort a Euro distributor anyway! Best of luck Baravettski!
I was actually just about to dig into this, thanks. i'll hit em up now.
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Are there any plans to release the red "Cinex" model?
yeah next drop once I can sell through some of this first run.
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How's the fit on these? Super interesting in the conquista model. I wear a 8 in just about every lakai, 7.5 in vans, 8 in emerica.
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You should be an 8 then. True to size and medium wide I'd say.
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If any of you guys have some local shops I should hit up, lemme know. Time to start hustling these things out to the streets.
Thanks
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If any of you guys have some local shops I should hit up, lemme know. Time to start hustling these things out to the streets.
Thanks
Chutingstar.com
I know They reached out to State. They use to sell a bunch of Dekline. I think they may be trying to expand since the local shop closed its doors
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If any of you guys have some local shops I should hit up, lemme know. Time to start hustling these things out to the streets.
Thanks
Red curbs in Fremont, CA.
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I tried a pair on today. Mid wide is accurate, pretty comfortable, look good enough.
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100 Kickflips in the Proper Cinex with Shawn Baravetto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEsCadFQGM#)
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100 Kickflips in the Proper Cinex with Shawn Baravetto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEsCadFQGM#)
Damn Shawn, you went in. Shoes look like they skate really well.
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I came here to post that video and was too late, but while I'm here, I wanna plug Proper. Shawn sent me these to skate last year for free, just cuz I emailed him, super kind. They're extremely solid and well made. I don't have any pictures of them skated but they are tuff.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2gtq9om.jpg)
(https://img42.com/uoeil+)
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awesome vid!
(vegan options please Shawn)
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Looks super CLEAN with the green laces.
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100 Kickflips in the Proper Cinex with Shawn Baravetto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnEsCadFQGM#)
This is so sick. Amazing in fact.
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Those shoes look so much better on feet. Will probably try if I see them around my area.
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That many kf is a day. That was awesome. At his age too.
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I watched the 100 kickflip video last night and was very impressed. Being an older dude also I want to see if I could do 100 kickflips in one session. I'm guessing I'd get too tired.
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Thanks everyone! I wanted a shoe good to skate out the box and I'm pretty fuckin' happy with how they came out.
GISM - I would love to some vegan options, just gotta get through a run or two first, but it's on my radar.
Wizard Fight - rad, glad you liked em. I actually beefed up the outsole a little bit from those samples you have, gives em some extra wear time.
We are working on a promo launch vid now, team guys have a Sep. 9th deadline, shooting to have it ready for my birthday on Sep 21, gonna try to do a little event here in Portland. The sneak peak footy I've seen is sick so far.
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Got a market research question for you guys:
Would you rather see a full website like this with the shop button that links to the store like this -
https://properskateboarding.squarespace.com/ (https://properskateboarding.squarespace.com/)
Or just simple webstore, like this -
www.properskateboarding.com (http://www.properskateboarding.com)
We could add more to the website too, links to vids, etc... Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks
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Got a market research question for you guys:
Would you rather see a full website like this with the shop button that links to the store like this -
https://properskateboarding.squarespace.com/ (https://properskateboarding.squarespace.com/)
Or just simple webstore, like this -
www.properskateboarding.com (http://www.properskateboarding.com)
We could add more to the website too, links to vids, etc... Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks
Full website with a shop link.
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full website for sure, I always like to see a team reference first thing, more credible.
store is necessary but necessarily generic
100 flips was impressive stamina and the shoes look good, I'll be looking for them
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I like the full website more personally. is it cheaper to run a square space site than a traditional domain?
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Full site with team, even if it's just some photos and other sponsors so you can find other info on them. Include a simple store but would be cool to also see a list of shops carrying you as well.
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Coked out mids look sick. Will definitely look out for these when they make it to the U.K.
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These look really good, super impressed by the kickflip weartest. I personally think it would be better to have a more subtle logo than the giant letters PRO PER in the back of the shoes, or have them the same colour as the shoe. It kinda seems conflict with the seemingly minimal, simple aesthetic that the shoes appear to have.
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These look really good, super impressed by the kickflip weartest. I personally think it would be better to have a more subtle logo than the giant letters PRO PER in the back of the shoes, or have them the same colour as the shoe. It kinda seems conflict with the seemingly minimal, simple aesthetic that the shoes appear to have.
100% agreed.
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These look really good, super impressed by the kickflip weartest. I personally think it would be better to have a more subtle logo than the giant letters PRO PER in the back of the shoes, or have them the same colour as the shoe. It kinda seems conflict with the seemingly minimal, simple aesthetic that the shoes appear to have.
100% agreed.
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Yeah, I went back and forth on that heel branding color. My thought was that since there was none on there I'd put it on the heel where you don't see it while you're skating. Plus it looks pretty cool in footy. Also easily paint-pennable.
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Yeah, I went back and forth on that heel branding color. My thought was that since there was none on there I'd put it on the heel where you don't see it while you're skating. Plus it looks pretty cool in footy. Also easily paint-pennable.
I think it's a great way to brand the shoe.
Considering there are no logo tags on the side of the shoe like most brands, and better yet, no "swoosh" to dangle off the side of your foot after the 3rd session. It would be really cool if Proper kept it a running idea on newer models to tastefully display the branding and keep away from large logos on the sides.
I will say I feel like the Rook model hasn't been as showcased, as the Cinex seems to be the flagship model right now. I'd definitely like to see how they look skated compared to the other models. Really want to pick a pair up but I'm nervous about my weird foot shape not letting me fit into my usual size 9.
*edit: Keep up the good work!
;D(666 post count) ;D
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I'm going full contrarian in regards to the branding on the heel. I think the bold text standing out is a classy unique touch.
Often times I'll draw or write on my shoes in that area anyways.
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Yeah, I went back and forth on that heel branding color. My thought was that since there was none on there I'd put it on the heel where you don't see it while you're skating. Plus it looks pretty cool in footy. Also easily paint-pennable.
this comment is appreciated but surprising. I prefer solid colours and often paint out logos, but feel like a lot of people like the "fresh-out-the-box" idea when it comes to footwear. Modifying/personalizing gear is somewhat trendy, main thing keeping this trend from extending to footwear is probably price.
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Will the vines be coming in a low top anytime soon ?
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Ian - Thanks, yeah, that's pretty much how I looked at it. I feel like side branding can work if it fits the shoe, it just has to flow.
Mongoloid - Thanks!
botefdunn - Definitely in the sneaker world they try to keep em super fresh. I'm down for whatever puts you in the right mental state to feel good skating.
rob - The Cinex you mean? I just chopped a pair of mine down for shits, and I do think it would make a pretty sick low. I gotta redo the collar area though. I'll sample it up at some point and see how it looks.
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Grats on being Ripped Laces POTM!
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2017/09/potm-september-2017-proper-skateboardings-rook/ (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2017/09/potm-september-2017-proper-skateboardings-rook/)
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full website for sure, I always like to see a team reference first thing, more credible.
store is necessary but necessarily generic
100 flips was impressive stamina and the shoes look good, I'll be looking for them
THIS
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sorry to pester about this question, just wondering if you have had any chance to look into a canadian distro?
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I came here to post that video and was too late, but while I'm here, I wanna plug Proper. Shawn sent me these to skate last year for free, just cuz I emailed him, super kind. They're extremely solid and well made. I don't have any pictures of them skated but they are tuff.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2gtq9om.jpg)
(https://img42.com/uoeil+)
just bought these same shoes from the site, was stoked to start skating em but then I fucked up my back so now I've just been wearing em to work :-\
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Thanks everyone! I wanted a shoe good to skate out the box and I'm pretty fuckin' happy with how they came out.
GISM - I would love to some vegan options, just gotta get through a run or two first, but it's on my radar.
Wizard Fight - rad, glad you liked em. I actually beefed up the outsole a little bit from those samples you have, gives em some extra wear time.
We are working on a promo launch vid now, team guys have a Sep. 9th deadline, shooting to have it ready for my birthday on Sep 21, gonna try to do a little event here in Portland. The sneak peak footy I've seen is sick so far.
We have the same birthday!🎉
I was gonna buy the White/gum Conquistas asap but current unemployment has me watching the spending habits til I lock something down. Will they be available for a season or so?
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Thanks everyone! I wanted a shoe good to skate out the box and I'm pretty fuckin' happy with how they came out.
GISM - I would love to some vegan options, just gotta get through a run or two first, but it's on my radar.
Wizard Fight - rad, glad you liked em. I actually beefed up the outsole a little bit from those samples you have, gives em some extra wear time.
We are working on a promo launch vid now, team guys have a Sep. 9th deadline, shooting to have it ready for my birthday on Sep 21, gonna try to do a little event here in Portland. The sneak peak footy I've seen is sick so far.
We have the same birthday!🎉
I was gonna buy the White/gum Conquistas asap but current unemployment has me watching the spending habits til I lock something down. Will they be available for a season or so?
Happy early birthday! The last ten years I've been doing "kickflip, fakie flip and tre flip your age" but I might try the skate your age thing this year and get 42 tricks. I dunno yet. Anyway, yeah, we're gonna keep the Conquista around for a while for sure.
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••• pretty lady ••• (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PloAlTMT5Do&feature=youtu.be#)
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••• pretty lady ••• (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PloAlTMT5Do&feature=youtu.be#)
Why'd they have a dude wearing straight Adidas?
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I'm asuming the clip antedated the production of the shoes.
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I'm asuming the clip antedated the production of the shoes.
Correct. Small company shit, didn't have the budget to fly some filmers out so he could refilm in Propers.
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I'm asuming the clip antedated the production of the shoes.
Correct. Small company shit, didn't have the budget to fly some filmers out so he could refilm in Propers.
I get it but I would have just left that footage out.
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Whattup y'all? Question for the vegan homies, what's your preferred skate material? Synthetic Suede? Canvas w/rubber? Some other super cool thing I've never heard of? Lemme know, I want to do a vegan Conquista for Spring.
Also I posted a friends and fam code for Proper for the day, it's SPOOPORDIE for 23% off at check out on https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com
Thanks!
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hemp with some sort of synth rubber/ leather ala old i-Paths? https://www.sneakerfiles.com/ipath-classics-cricket/
you could reinforce the hemp ala state shoes with a thin rubber layer underneath too.
Etnies/ eS' have got some great synth suede at the moment too though and I know you had access to crazy high-tech shit when you were working for the swoosh so dig deep. No crazy colors please, those black/ gum ones look dope!
Also, please tell me you have a distributor in Japan?
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Whattup y'all? Question for the vegan homies, what's your preferred skate material? Synthetic Suede? Canvas w/rubber? Some other super cool thing I've never heard of? Lemme know, I want to do a vegan Conquista for Spring.
Also I posted a friends and fam code for Proper for the day, it's SPOOPORDIE for 23% off at check out on https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com
Thanks!
This is sick. I've been plant based for 5 years in January, and the only reason I've made that distinction is because I've never had great luck with vegan skate shoes. I haven't done extensive R&D, as I'm not pulling in that "Nyah money", but props for wanting to put something in production. I would think a synthetic suede or a canvas with a thick rubber layer in the high wear areas would be great.
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I'm waiting a the black or burgundy cinex to come out! Don't think I can rock some all white high tops.
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Any update with UK / Euro distribution?
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Thanks everyone.
I think a synth suede would feel the best, the problem is price on that shit.
GISM - Thanks, I'll take a look and see what they price at. I'm getting real close in Japan, so hopefully soon.
jamersonbass - Thanks. You mean plant based because there isn't a distinction on animal products in glue or other stuff like that? Side question, what would a reasonable uncharge (assuming there is one) to know that something was full on vegan? 5-10 bucks at retail?
Bizzaro - Yeah I know, it was a tough choice but being small we could only go with one for now. We're trying to hand dye some of the white ones, I'll let you know how it works. Nate paints his all the time.
GKR - Got some emails out but not much back yet.
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Also, your Rook model reminds me of Kareem's Duffs' shoe - make a black/ gum vegan version using a mix of black canvas and synth suede/ leather on the high wear areas and I'm yours forever
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The Rook looks like those DVS Kerry Getz which were my fav skate shoes ever. I'd buy a pair if you ever get em into EU (Paris specifically) shops.
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Thanks everyone.
I think a synth suede would feel the best, the problem is price on that shit.
GISM - Thanks, I'll take a look and see what they price at. I'm getting real close in Japan, so hopefully soon.
jamersonbass - Thanks. You mean plant based because there isn't a distinction on animal products in glue or other stuff like that? Side question, what would a reasonable uncharge (assuming there is one) to know that something was full on vegan? 5-10 bucks at retail?
Bizzaro - Yeah I know, it was a tough choice but being small we could only go with one for now. We're trying to hand dye some of the white ones, I'll let you know how it works. Nate paints his all the time.
GKR - Got some emails out but not much back yet.
I meant that I've considered myself plant-based, as I still wear suede shoes to skate. The vegan shoe options are so bad and I can't afford to blow through a pair of shoes skating every month. I'd happily pay $5-$10 bucks more, man.
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Love the brand, I've been meaning to get another pair of the Conquistas at Worn Path when I have the funds.
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Love the brand, I've been meaning to get another pair of the Conquistas at Worn Path when I have the funds.
Fuck yeah, thank you! That's rad to hear, I really appreciate it.
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Baravettski, how would you compare the Rook and Conquista? I've been skating all Adidas cupsoles for the last 5 years and want to change it up. I really respect what you're doing and seeing as how you have labradoodles via ig, it just makes me want to support you more.
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Baravettski, how would you compare the Rook and Conquista? I've been skating all Adidas cupsoles for the last 5 years and want to change it up. I really respect what you're doing and seeing as how you have labradoodles via ig, it just makes me want to support you more.
Ha, thanks! Those pups are the best.
Conquista is lower in the back and fits a little bit wider in the forefoot. Rook has double layers up front so it feels bit more narrow. More support through the mid foot on the Rook too, those side panels actually function and the lace flaps help laces not break. Rook is the sleeper for sure, and definitely one that looks better on the foot for some reason.
Here's mine skated about the same amount of time, 6-7 weeks or so.
Email me at [email protected], I'll make a discount code for you. Same goes for the rest of you mugs if you actually want to try em out.
(https://i.imgur.com/9DSn7ax.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ym8R0Ze.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Pj66EJz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/x3VJs4R.jpg)
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Are we close to getting into shops in Canada at all? I'm dying to try the Cinex, but I have extremely picky shoe needs and don't want to buy them without trying them on.
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Are we close to getting into shops in Canada at all? I'm dying to try the Cinex, but I have extremely picky shoe needs and don't want to buy them without trying them on.
Still workin' on it. Getting a little closer I think. I hear ya, I could offer free exchange on a size swap or something but I know that's still a pain in the ass.
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Definitely going to order a pair of those Conquistas in a couple of weeks, the black & gum just looks so good. I wear a 10.5 in vans, should I go with that?
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Yeah, what's up with the sizing? I order a pair of the G-Code reissues and I don't go through shoes quickly but every time I see the Rooks, I want a pair.
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yeah, go with your regular size, they fit true. thanks y'all!
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how them vegan joints going baravettski?
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how them vegan joints going baravettski?
Getting some samples done to test materials. Hoping to have em ready for Spring.
Also, we're doing 30% off for December, discount code SPACE at checkout when you go here...
https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com/
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Happy New Year y'all! We made it on the Ripped Laces SSOTY list, thanks to everyone that's given us a shot so far. I made a Pals discount code so the 30% off party continues. Put in SLAPNERD at checkout, here's a link too.
https://proper-skateboarding.myshopify.com/discount/SLAPNERD
(http://i.imgur.com/ImZ0bsd.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ImZ0bsd)
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Stopped by Cowtown last week and saw you dudes up on the shoe wall. Hyped for you guys. Shoes are looking good.
Unfortunately I'm broke as shit.
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Yo Shaun, just saw that you guys said up distro for Canada, gonna look into trying some out at our shop Ninetimes!
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Yo Shaun, just saw that you guys said up distro for Canada, gonna look into trying some out at our shop Ninetimes!
When I was in high school there was this big ass bee that would harass us during lunch. It was called the nine times bee, because it was not quite 10x the size of a regular bee. It was so big I saw it take a shit once.
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Yo Shaun, just saw that you guys said up distro for Canada, gonna look into trying some out at our shop Ninetimes!
When I was in high school there was this big ass bee that would harass us during lunch. It was called the nine times bee, because it was not quite 10x the size of a regular bee. It was so big I saw it take a shit once.
That guy sounds cool! We should definitely make a t-shirt with him taking a big fat bee shit.
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Yo Shaun, just saw that you guys said up distro for Canada, gonna look into trying some out at our shop Ninetimes!
When I was in high school there was this big ass bee that would harass us during lunch. It was called the nine times bee, because it was not quite 10x the size of a regular bee. It was so big I saw it take a shit once.
That guy sounds cool! We should definitely make a t-shirt with him taking a big fat bee shit.
That guy sounds hella cool. I'm down to work on a shirt.
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Got those cream and gum Conquistas delivered today. These are some fly ass shoes. Will cop again. I guess you changed the width in the forefoot or its just different, because those sample cinex I skated were a lot more narrow.
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Got those cream and gum Conquistas delivered today. These are some fly ass shoes. Will cop again. I guess you changed the width in the forefoot or its just different, because those sample cinex I skated were a lot more narrow.
Dope, glad you dig em. Yeah, it's a bit thicker than those samples were, and the Cinex fits a little narrower because it's got that toe overlay that goes all the way around.
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Whattup y'all, still workin' on Proper. We did a little tech vid, here's me talking about the shoes a lil bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSP5SBmg6I
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Whattup y'all, still workin' on Proper. We did a little tech vid, here's me talking about the shoes a lil bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSP5SBmg6I
that was rad, thanks Shawn. I skated the conquistas and they are great right out of the box. I have pretty skinny ankles/achilles so I ended up giving them to a friend who needed shoes, and they fit him better. would you say the cinex due to height and previously mentions snugger fit be quite a bit more cradling?
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Whattup y'all, still workin' on Proper. We did a little tech vid, here's me talking about the shoes a lil bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSP5SBmg6I
Yeah, the Rook too, they kind of go up in levels, Conquista is lowest, Rook is a low but is a bit taller and has more heel cup support and yeah, since the Cinex is a mid it's super locked in.
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bump, thinking of getting the cinex. they look so dope
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bump, what happened with the vegan ones you were gunna drop?
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Always wanted this style of shoe, but don't really fuck with the brands that make them. But definitely copped a pair. Sorta feel like they're gonna fall off my heel at firt. But seems pretty good so far with around 10 hours of skating.
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Always wanted this style of shoe, but don't really fuck with the brands that make them. But definitely copped a pair. Sorta feel like they're gonna fall off my heel at firt. But seems pretty good so far with around 10 hours of skating.
Yo I've really been wanting to get a pair of these but I have a kind of short wide foot that limits my shoe selection (like I can't wear the skate chucks because if I size them down to fit my foot lengthwise they're way to small width wise and vice versa) how do these fit? Long and skinny? Short and wide? Long and wide?
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Always wanted this style of shoe, but don't really fuck with the brands that make them. But definitely copped a pair. Sorta feel like they're gonna fall off my heel at firt. But seems pretty good so far with around 10 hours of skating.
Yo I've really been wanting to get a pair of these but I have a kind of short wide foot that limits my shoe selection (like I can't wear the skate chucks because if I size them down to fit my foot lengthwise they're way to small width wise and vice versa) how do these fit? Long and skinny? Short and wide? Long and wide?
I had that same feeling about them falling off the back of my foot, but I got used to it over time.
I also have wide feet and the shoe itself fit fine but the insole was a little too narrow so around the edges I ended up with little blisters where my foot kept rubbing the edge of the insole. I still skated the shoes til they were dead because otherwise I really liked em
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Always wanted this style of shoe, but don't really fuck with the brands that make them. But definitely copped a pair. Sorta feel like they're gonna fall off my heel at firt. But seems pretty good so far with around 10 hours of skating.
Yo I've really been wanting to get a pair of these but I have a kind of short wide foot that limits my shoe selection (like I can't wear the skate chucks because if I size them down to fit my foot lengthwise they're way to small width wise and vice versa) how do these fit? Long and skinny? Short and wide? Long and wide?
This shoe might be for you. Real wide. I got a 9.5, I usually wear 9.5. Felt like I had some room to move from the get go. Again sorta feels like they're gonna fall off. Might go a size smaller next time because I like to break a shoe in and let in get bigger that way. Overall, awesome..
Seems like Nikes only not. I think dude who started it used to work for them