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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Putaslocas on May 14, 2019, 01:55:34 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BxVQNE6gcy3/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1f2w9zj5fu870
This guy definitely likes to watch his girl get slammed by other dudes. Wow.
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This guy definitely likes to watch his girl get slammed by other dudes. Wow.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
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What’s kooky about this?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BxVQNE6gcy3/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1f2w9zj5fu870
This guy definitely likes to watch his girl get slammed by other dudes. Wow.
he's a kook for sure, but if anything, this is redeeming his kookiness
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This guy definitely likes to watch his girl get slammed by other dudes. Wow.
Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
Hi Carroll
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Well yeah.
But if anything this might spur him on to get his buddy JJ to give up the ak47s
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This is probably the most non-kook thing he's ever done. The other stuff... not so much.
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following someone and then calling them a kook makes you a kook. let him live his life.
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dumb ass, now if something happens he'll have to call for outsourced weaponry to save him.
the synagogue shooting the other wk was stopped by an armed [off duty] border patrol agent.
what if trump is the hitler dictator people think he is, wouldn't this be a mite suicidal? were killers using this gentleman's guns?
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dumb ass, now if something happens he'll have to call for outsourced weaponry to save him.
the synagogue shooting the other wk was stopped by an armed [off duty] border patrol agent.
what if trump is the hitler dictator people think he is, wouldn't this be a mite suicidal? were killers using this gentleman's guns?
Bullshit. There's a lot more to the story then what you are leading on here.
"The shooter fired eight to ten rounds before his rifle jammed or malfunctioned, preventing additional casualties. Two members of the congregation ran towards the shooter. The suspect then fled the synagogue, entering a Honda sedan. An off-duty United States Border Patrol officer working as a security guard at the synagogue opened fire as the suspect escaped and hit his car multiple times, but the suspect fled uninjured.
Shortly thereafter, Earnest phoned 911 and reported the shooting. He was apprehended approximately 2 mi (3.2 km) from the synagogue by a San Diego police officer responding to the shooting. Earnest jumped out of his car with his hands up, and was taken into custody without incident."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting
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Yeah i dont understand giving up your guns, ,why give up your shit when a 17 year old kid can buy a shotgun in walmart. What do you do when michael myers is comin through your door? call the cops?
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Yeah i dont understand giving up your guns, ,why give up your shit when a 17 year old kid can buy a shotgun in walmart. What do you do when michael myers is comin through your door? call the cops?
how many times has michael myers come through your door?
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dumb ass, now if something happens he'll have to call for outsourced weaponry to save him.
the synagogue shooting the other wk was stopped by an armed [off duty] border patrol agent.
what if trump is the hitler dictator people think he is, wouldn't this be a mite suicidal? were killers using this gentleman's guns?
Bullshit. There's a lot more to the story then what you are leading on here.
"The shooter fired eight to ten rounds before his rifle jammed or malfunctioned, preventing additional casualties. Two members of the congregation ran towards the shooter. The suspect then fled the synagogue, entering a Honda sedan. An off-duty United States Border Patrol officer working as a security guard at the synagogue opened fire as the suspect escaped and hit his car multiple times, but the suspect fled uninjured.
Shortly thereafter, Earnest phoned 911 and reported the shooting. He was apprehended approximately 2 mi (3.2 km) from the synagogue by a San Diego police officer responding to the shooting. Earnest jumped out of his car with his hands up, and was taken into custody without incident."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poway_synagogue_shooting
you're right, would've been better if border patrol had a megaphone instead of a gun. then he could've heckled the shooter as he drove away or fixed his gun/grabbed another.
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if not owning a gun makes me a kook you can kook me all you want. certified
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Jesus fucking christ America,
Kooking someone because they don’t want to keep guns because ‘in case something happens’?
So every non-gun owner is a kook?
The US is a culture of kook, especially the religious fervor about guns ownership.
You had a revolution once 240 years ago, and then tried to protect slavery by going to war, and you want keep using that as an excuse to keep deadly firearms available for every fucking nut job?
You have allowed guns to become a unique piece of fanatical American religion, and now have to deal with the terrible senseless violence that keeps happening, be it toddlers shooting each other with their parents’ unlocked firearms to crime to school shootings.
And you are so blinded by your worship that the only answer you can keep mumbling to yourselves is ‘MOAR GUNZ’.
The US is a culture of death, kooks.
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Doing it for attention is kooky? I guess? I don't know. He is a kook though.
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OP is more KOOK
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It’s marks instagram and marks opinion.
So who chose the thumbnail?
one must ask.
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OP is a dumb fuck kook.
Not a big fan of Oblow, but this just gave me a bit more respect for him.
Also, OP is a dumb fuck kook
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Yeah i dont understand giving up your guns, ,why give up your shit when a 17 year old kid can buy a shotgun in walmart. What do you do when michael myers is comin through your door? call the cops?
how many times has michael myers come through your door?
In all honesty I havnt run into him since moving from haddonfield
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This is probably the most non-kook thing he's ever done.
Nailed it.
OP took such a massive L here. How embarrassing.
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Aint that kook to give up some desert eagles. I actually support this
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Pretty much the opposite of a kook move. But aren't guns like crazy expensive, why not just sell them? Or do you get compensated for it if you give them to the police?
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don't feed the troll
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Pretty much the opposite of a kook move. But aren't guns like crazy expensive, why not just sell them? Or do you get compensated for it if you give them to the police?
guns can be 100$ or thousands, looked like he had some pretty nice hardware though and no the cops dont give you anything.
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He doesn’t trust himself around his own guns?
Suicide watch
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this thread is going to be an absolute train wreck
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Who is more kook?
Who is more kook?
The kook or the kook who follows the kook?
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Yeah i dont understand giving up your guns, ,why give up your shit when a 17 year old kid can buy a shotgun in walmart. What do you do when michael myers is comin through your door? call the cops?
just put a no guns allowed sign in your window, youll be fine.
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Kinda can't believe anyone on Slap backs guns. Nice one Oblow.
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Gun = trump card
Everyone needs an emergency trump card. Otherwise, try and dodge 1k+ fps 1-15+ times in the matter of seconds
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I really dont understand this. Just, just dont shoot anyone. You're in control here bud. Keep em locked up until shit hits the fan.
I get it though, you just wanted some sjw content on your instagram. Fuck this guy, fuck Rapaport too
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nra is a terrorist organization
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he's not a kook for giving up his guns, he's a kook for making a big contrived self-congratulatory performance out of it for social media
the real question is what is a guy like that doing with that many guns to begin with?!
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Live and let live. Especially when they aren't hurting anyone and trying to make a difference.
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As a person who lives outside of the United States it baffles me that someone like Mark Oblow owns a big fuck off desert eagle gun like that.
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Man, more than ever is the skate community obsessed with being cool, gross as fuck. Ride your fucking boards and mind your own goddamn business. I vaguely remember some cities offer a reward for turning in your guns, or something like that. Is this is what's going on? I don't care that much, but I bet that's what's happening. Guns x sexism, OP is a kook boy.
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he's not a kook for giving up his guns, he's a kook for making a big contrived self-congratulatory performance out of it for social media
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Live and let live. Especially when they aren't hurting anyone and trying to make a difference.
lol how can u say some trite statement like that and then follow it up with a stipulation?
get that passive shite outta here
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I really dont understand this. Just, just dont shoot anyone. You're in control here bud. Keep em locked up until shit hits the fan.
I get it though, you just wanted some sjw content on your instagram. Fuck this guy, fuck Rapaport too
If you can afford that steel you can afford a sick gun safe. lock those puppys up and pray you never need to pull them out. If he is sane, and isnt gonna shoot anyone, then he didnt actually change shit for anyone by giving the guns away.
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I don't think he is a kook for giving up his guns but I do think the notion of him giving them up to save childrens' lives is silly.
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I'm willing to bet he kept one
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I have no opinions on guns or gun ownership, but those glasses are really fucking annoying.
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Doing it for attention is kooky? I guess? I don't know. He is a kook though.
It's not for attention, It's to try and motivate other people to do it.
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Jesus fucking christ America,
Kooking someone because they don’t want to keep guns because ‘in case something happens’?
So every non-gun owner is a kook?
The US is a culture of kook, especially the religious fervor about guns ownership.
You had a revolution once 240 years ago, and then tried to protect slavery by going to war, and you want keep using that as an excuse to keep deadly firearms available for every fucking nut job?
You have allowed guns to become a unique piece of fanatical American religion, and now have to deal with the terrible senseless violence that keeps happening, be it toddlers shooting each other with their parents’ unlocked firearms to crime to school shootings.
And you are so blinded by your worship that the only answer you can keep mumbling to yourselves is ‘MOAR GUNZ’.
The US is a culture of death, kooks.
I hear you brother. Americans can't quite grasp that if everyone gave up their stupid guns there would be no gun violence. MURICA.
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its fucked that a perosn thinkss they need that may guns in there home. its fucked a person thinks they need A gun in there home.
America is such a messed up place, all you guys defending gun ownership and thinkin hes dumb fro getting rid of his prove that a America is fucked.
its crazy you can go to walmart and get a deth machine.
I genuienly dont even know how you;d go about getting a gun up here in Scotland. you need a licence to carrya knife if it slonger than 3 inches here. its sick.
I send my kid to school every day and genuinely feel like he's pretty safe.
you cant put a price on that.
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Jesus fucking christ America,
Kooking someone because they don’t want to keep guns because ‘in case something happens’?
So every non-gun owner is a kook?
The US is a culture of kook, especially the religious fervor about guns ownership.
You had a revolution once 240 years ago, and then tried to protect slavery by going to war, and you want keep using that as an excuse to keep deadly firearms available for every fucking nut job?
You have allowed guns to become a unique piece of fanatical American religion, and now have to deal with the terrible senseless violence that keeps happening, be it toddlers shooting each other with their parents’ unlocked firearms to crime to school shootings.
And you are so blinded by your worship that the only answer you can keep mumbling to yourselves is ‘MOAR GUNZ’.
The US is a culture of death, kooks.
I hear you brother. Americans can't quite grasp that if everyone gave up their stupid guns there would be no gun violence. MURICA.
it would take gun violence out of the private sector and nationalize it.
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Shoot all gun lobbyists then hand in your guns.
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This is probably the most non-kook thing he's ever done.
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What’s kooky about this?
Giving up your right to arms when your countries modern left is calling for all and out Socialism and the Socialist in Venezuela have been reduced to eating the Zoo animals because their Socialist Utopia collapsed (like they all always do) while the armed government rounds up descenters and shoots them in the street like cattle like they did in Russia and in China and anywhere that Satanic Ideology is tried. If you take a kook to mean a dangerous fool who gets other people hurt then yeah pretty fuckin kooky.
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"Thoughts and prayers". The irony of that saying when there's not enough thought involved in solving America’s fuckwittery surrounding gun ownership, and that there clearly is no god.
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Giving up your right to arms when your countries modern left is calling for all and out Socialism and the Socialist in Venezuela have been reduced to eating the Zoo animals because their Socialist Utopia collapsed (like they all always do) while the armed government rounds up descenters and shoots them in the street like cattle like they did in Russia and in China and anywhere that Satanic Ideology is tried. If you take a kook to mean a dangerous fool who gets other people hurt then yeah pretty fuckin kooky.
Do you think the average Venezuelan would have a chance of saving their life against trained special forces? Do you think civilians in the U.S could defend themselves if the "armed government rounds up descenters (sic) and shoots them"? Get yer tinfoil hat off. The "modern left" is not out to get you you fucking moran.
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Who is more kook?
Who is more kook?
The kook or the kook who follows the kook?
So, you gonna disable that tractor beam or?
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Jesus fucking christ America,
Kooking someone because they don’t want to keep guns because ‘in case something happens’?
So every non-gun owner is a kook?
The US is a culture of kook, especially the religious fervor about guns ownership.
You had a revolution once 240 years ago, and then tried to protect slavery by going to war, and you want keep using that as an excuse to keep deadly firearms available for every fucking nut job?
You have allowed guns to become a unique piece of fanatical American religion, and now have to deal with the terrible senseless violence that keeps happening, be it toddlers shooting each other with their parents’ unlocked firearms to crime to school shootings.
And you are so blinded by your worship that the only answer you can keep mumbling to yourselves is ‘MOAR GUNZ’.
The US is a culture of death, kooks.
I hear you brother. Americans can't quite grasp that if everyone gave up their stupid guns there would be no gun violence. MURICA.
Damn right brotha, then the US government would violently crush any opposition to the ruling party like has just happened in Australia, Sweden, France, UK, Germany etc, whats that, civilised demoncracies all around the world have gun restrictions and don't have any issues apart from lower gun deaths, unbelievable.
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Giving up your right to arms when your countries modern left is calling for all and out Socialism and the Socialist in Venezuela have been reduced to eating the Zoo animals because their Socialist Utopia collapsed (like they all always do) while the armed government rounds up descenters and shoots them in the street like cattle like they did in Russia and in China and anywhere that Satanic Ideology is tried. If you take a kook to mean a dangerous fool who gets other people hurt then yeah pretty fuckin kooky.
It is this fucking fantasy world that gun nuts cling to to justify having murder tools in every home.
This is how far off the deep end they are willing to rationalize their culture of violence.
ITS NOT ABOUT THE GUV’MINT COMING YO TAKE YOUR GUNS, ITS ABOUT THIS GODDAMN FANTASY THAT YOU NEED THE THREAT OF VIOLENCE FOR A SAFE SOCIETY AND TO PROTECT FROM TYRANNY.
Other countries do a much better job of both of those things without arming the populace.
Fuck, Canada has a shitload of guns, but since it didn’t have a violent armed revolution it doesn’t place gun violence on a fucking pedestal.
And just fucking acknowledging this culture of death and making a small gesture to reduce the number of guns would be a step to heal this fucking collective trauma.
But no, instead of acknowledging guns are too easily available and abused resulting in REAL DEATH, people like you would rather wallow in a fucking Mad Max fantasy world.
Fucking kooks.
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I've never had strong feelings one way another towards guns, but this dude is not a kook for doing what he thinks is right. I personally don't favor banning all guns nor do I favor the idea of everyone having a gun. The right answer is somewhere in between these two poles.
The only thing I really know is that:
1. Shooting oneself is the most successful way of committing suicide. No other method has the same success rate. So, less guns = less successful suicides.
2. In families, guns are significant risk for women (domestic violence).
3. The US is not as dangerous as we want to believe. Crime has gone done for 30 years (it is the reporting of crime that has sky rocketed) and if we are going to get killed it is going to happen via auto accident or someone we are close to is going to take us out in a crime of passion. Also, the average Joe is a dipshit and playing CoD has not made him his own personal mercenary, despite his own beliefs to the contrary.
4. I've lived in homes w/guns and w/out guns. I personally felt safer in the non-gun homes. Also my home state was rather pro-gun but the state didn't allow them in public buildings (libraries, schools, court houses, the capitol building, etc.) this was perfectly fine with me. A librarian is not a police officer and I don't believe anyone needs to bring their gun with them to check out a copy of Huck Finn.
5. I recently got into a crazy yelling match with a fat white guy in a lifted-truck. The situation quickly escalated and he got out of his truck and became physically aggressive. I backed away and left the situation. I thought it was over, but he got back into his truck, drove like a crazy person through the strip mall parking lot and attempted to confront me again (I was on the sidewalk with my back to the street and he was in parking lot with his back to the businesses). I ran across the street (fat men can't run too far), went to a public place where I felt safe, and the situation finally ended.
I've thought to myself what if that crazy asshole had a gun killed me because we argued over his erratic driving (our argument started when he almost ran me over in the middle of a crosswalk)? Or, what if I killed the crazy redneck (I had fled once, he had at least 100 lbs on me, and with my back to traffic I could easily argue that I was cornered the second time around). As much as I fucking hate this guy, I'm glad I ran away instead of deciding to kill him in self defense on the side of the road.
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Giving up your right to arms when your countries modern left is calling for all and out Socialism and the Socialist in Venezuela have been reduced to eating the Zoo animals because their Socialist Utopia collapsed (like they all always do) while the armed government rounds up descenters and shoots them in the street like cattle like they did in Russia and in China and anywhere that Satanic Ideology is tried. If you take a kook to mean a dangerous fool who gets other people hurt then yeah pretty fuckin kooky.
Do you think the average Venezuelan would have a chance of saving their life against trained special forces? Do you think civilians in the U.S could defend themselves if the "armed government rounds up descenters (sic) and shoots them"? Get yer tinfoil hat off. The "modern left" is not out to get you you fucking moran.
"to invade the United States would prove most difficult because behind every blade of grass is an American with a rifle." Yamamoto
The projected active duty end strength in the armed forces for fiscal year 2017 was 1,281,900 servicemembers, with an additional 801,200 people in the seven reserve components.
(by the way all sworn to uphold the constitution)
so that's 2,000,000+
There are over 18,000 Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies around the United States, and it is estimated that there are between 750,000 and 850,000 sworn officers. If you count non-sworn personnel who work for police departments, you get over 1 million.
so we are at roughly 3,000,000+
(again law enforcement sworn to protect us)
The statistic shows the percentage of households in the United States which own firearms from 1972 to 2018. In 2018, about 43 percent of U.S. households had at least one gun in possession.
you know how many people live in this country? you fucking Moron
327.2 million (2018)
If 1 in 10 own a gun and are not down with a hostile government and that is only hypothetically you have a stalemate
and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math.
Armed civilians vastly outnumber military/civil policing forces, I cant believe I have to spell it out, this is why the second amendment is kookproof.
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its fucked that a perosn thinkss they need that may guns in there home. its fucked a person thinks they need A gun in there home.
America is such a messed up place, all you guys defending gun ownership and thinkin hes dumb fro getting rid of his prove that a America is fucked.
its crazy you can go to walmart and get a deth machine.
I genuienly dont even know how you;d go about getting a gun up here in Scotland. you need a licence to carrya knife if it slonger than 3 inches here. its sick.
I send my kid to school every day and genuinely feel like he's pretty safe.
you cant put a price on that.
Have you ever been raped, robbed or beaten?
Do you take medicine when you get sick?
Do you wear a seat belt?
Does the practice of storing antivenom make sense to you?
Do you own any land or items worth more than $500? (Or whatever your currency is)
I have been taken advantage of.. A firearm being shown would have possibly detured the attacker..
Nobody wants to pull the trigger, nobody wants to draw to ready. But you can rest assured we won't be subjects at the will of the ones wishing to cause harm
And say the fire arm is never needed. That's the ideal situation we all want to happen. Here's to having and never using airbags
Shalom?
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you fucking moran.
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lmao when a groupa libtard niggas think only cops should have guns
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its fucked that a perosn thinkss they need that may guns in there home. its fucked a person thinks they need A gun in there home.
America is such a messed up place, all you guys defending gun ownership and thinkin hes dumb fro getting rid of his prove that a America is fucked.
its crazy you can go to walmart and get a deth machine.
I genuienly dont even know how you;d go about getting a gun up here in Scotland. you need a licence to carrya knife if it slonger than 3 inches here. its sick.
I send my kid to school every day and genuinely feel like he's pretty safe.
you cant put a price on that.
Have you ever been raped, robbed or beaten?
Do you take medicine when you get sick?
Do you wear a seat belt?
Does the practice of storing antivenom make sense to you?
Do you own any land or items worth more than $500? (Or whatever your currency is)
I have been taken advantage of.. A firearm being shown would have possibly detured the attacker..
Nobody wants to pull the trigger, nobody wants to draw to ready. But you can rest assured we won't be subjects at the will of the ones wishing to cause harm
And say the fire arm is never needed. That's the ideal situation we all want to happen. Here's to having and never using airbags
Shalom?
Not shalom. Disingenuous. More medicine? Less people die. Wear a seatbelt? Less chance of dying. More guns? More likely to die.
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Are you agreeing or do you not get the joke?
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lmao when a groupa libtard niggas think only cops should have guns
Welp, your insult/argument has convinced me to leave the middle ground and side with you. I'm convinced that your side is comprised of adults with well reasoned arguments, and you are not an overly emotional crazy who uses superficial us/them irrationalities that lack any real depth to justify your beliefs. Seriously, if your goal is to build/harden resistance to your ideas this is the perfect way to do so.
Also, considering the identity politics of contemporary conservatives is often associated with "standing w/the police and not the protestor/'criminal'" and supporting "law and order" via (blind) support of the police and a reduced emphasis on due process, your anti-police argument feels extremely disingenuous and weak.
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he's a kook for sure, but if anything, this is redeeming his kookiness
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its fucked that a perosn thinkss they need that may guns in there home. its fucked a person thinks they need A gun in there home.
America is such a messed up place, all you guys defending gun ownership and thinkin hes dumb fro getting rid of his prove that a America is fucked.
its crazy you can go to walmart and get a deth machine.
I genuienly dont even know how you;d go about getting a gun up here in Scotland. you need a licence to carrya knife if it slonger than 3 inches here. its sick.
I send my kid to school every day and genuinely feel like he's pretty safe.
you cant put a price on that.
Have you ever been raped, robbed or beaten?
Do you take medicine when you get sick?
Do you wear a seat belt?
Does the practice of storing antivenom make sense to you?
Do you own any land or items worth more than $500? (Or whatever your currency is)
I have been taken advantage of.. A firearm being shown would have possibly detured the attacker..
Nobody wants to pull the trigger, nobody wants to draw to ready. But you can rest assured we won't be subjects at the will of the ones wishing to cause harm
And say the fire arm is never needed. That's the ideal situation we all want to happen. Here's to having and never using airbags
Shalom?
Not shalom.
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
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Say what you will, if you cant think of at least one or more reason as to why this shit is kooky as fuck, eat my ass. Legit. Youre straight brain washed if you dont get it. I havent stated my specific reasons, nor do i care to. But its quite obvious ive given you all something to talk about. So again, eat my ass.
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
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Mark Oblow announces to the world "Come rob me I'm Unarmed!!!" and by doing so was declared a national hero by the same people who couldn't stop shitting on him before this thread was made. AMERICA!!!
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lmao when a groupa libtard niggas think only cops should have guns
When an untrained person who has never experienced actual combat type stress in the suburbs thinks they're gonna save the day with a gun they have only shot at a range.
See how it's a two way street? You're not preventing shit.
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
Oh. Did I say Americans are all like that? No I didn't did I. Fuggof.
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
Oh. Did I say Americans are all like that? No I didn't did I. Fuggof.
Have you ever been to America? You have no business even commenting on this shit.
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
Oh. Did I say Americans are all like that? No I didn't did I. Fuggof.
Have you ever been to America? You have no business even commenting on this shit.
Hey. I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-fuckhead.
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I think mark oblow was trying to raise awareness for mental health issues cause why else would he give up his right to own a gun that he paid money for that he got from benefiting of a capitalist system with his white male privilege to a gang of police who are humans like mark oblow and also known for making bad decisions
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What a kook. His Deagle was probably a .357
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
Oh. Did I say Americans are all like that? No I didn't did I. Fuggof.
Have you ever been to America? You have no business even commenting on this shit.
Hey. I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-fuckhead.
So you are on anti 43% of Americans so roughly 4/10 of us are fuck-heads, math just really ain't your strong suit huh ?
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Yeah we're all like that over here, Burt Ward! Thankfully you'll never set foot on this great land of ours. There's a reason you're the sidekick and not the hero.
Oh. Did I say Americans are all like that? No I didn't did I. Fuggof.
Have you ever been to America? You have no business even commenting on this shit.
Hey. I'm not anti-American, I'm anti-fuckhead.
So you are on anti 43% of Americans so roughly 4/10 of us are fuck-heads, math just really ain't your strong suit huh ?
I don't remember trying to solve maths problems in this thread. Do you have access to my year 6 report card?
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That gun is bigger than him.
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all there is to see here is a raging narcissist making a "grand gesture"
funny how he had to read those names off a list too
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
You think police is going to shoot more people now that they have more guns? You realize that a major reason why US police have a quick trigger finger is because everyone has guns?
To the people that think he's a kook for posting it on insta, what would be the point of it if he didn't? He's trying to raise awareness on that you don't need pointless guns lying around just waiting for your deranged nephew to get a hold of. Not saying it's a very smart move for him individually since it's going to take at least half a century before any actual changes can be felt, but that's kind of the point of activism.
Also americans thinking they're living in some third world country where you need guns to protect yourself from the government is insane
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everybody is a kook nowadays pretty much.
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Also americans thinking they're living in some third world country where you need guns to protect yourself from the government is insane
right, almost as "insane" as simplistically talking about America in this conversation as if it is one monolithic thing, and not lots of different people, social and economic strata, places (cities, inner-ring suburbs, exurbs, etc.), and sets of circumstances that need to be considered if you're going to say anything of practical value.
i responded to this Oblow post in the "I Survived School Today" thread, but since the conversation is over here now, I'll say my peace again...
“trade in your guns, save a life”?
i get it--most of us are scared, confused, and worried and trying to figure out what can be done to counter this awful shit that keeps happening, but if his guns were secured when he wasn’t using them, and he was a sane, rationale, and responsible gun owner/enthusiast, nobody’s life would have been in danger in the first place. i know, so this is a symbolic act meant to inspire--and he's just the humble dude to inspire us all, right?
also, it kills me that poor, marginalized, minority populations of young people in America's CITIES have been getting shot and killed daily from ever since, but there’s never been such focused and sustained “outrage” for these shootings and deaths.
“mass shootings”/“active shooters” at schools are almost wholly a SUBURBAN phenomenon. they have little to do with the daily circumstances and experiences of poor, working, and minority populations in this country’s CITIES, such as here in Detroit, where you regularly hear about armed citizens successfully defending themselves/loved ones with their legally owned guns, which the chief of police recommended.
in my eyes, only a perspective cultivated in the safest and most secure kind of privilege could possibly believe that poor, working, and minority populations especially in this country’s cities should be so absolutely outgunned by armies of criminals and criminalized youth armed with semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, with "high-capacity" magazines that are almost all derived illegally; by increasingly militarized police forces with lots of sweet hand-me-down stuff from the military; by an increasingly organized and mobilized white nationalist movement; and--perhaps most importantly--by massive privately owned armies such as those which men like Erik Prince wield (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince))…these can’t be the only people who are armed in this country.
instead of the half measure of discussing HOW these rampages are being carried out, people should also be honest and accountable and talk about WHY they keep happening. what do all of these “safe,” “pleasant,” “nurturing” suburban communities do to some of their young men to consistently create the conditions for these homicidal rampages? what is it about American suburban environments and ways-of-life that consistently generates such explosive degrees of isolation, loneliness, and anomie in these young men?
and for those of you posters from other country's talking about how fucked and violent the U.S. is, you're right--this is what it looks like when "one of the world's richest countries" reaches a point of TERMINAL decline...so many of us will continue to hope and work for the best, but you better bet that we will be prepared for the worst too.
love,
an english professor in the city of Detroit, with a CPL, who legally owns a number of "high-capacity" rifles and handguns that are always secured in a gun-safe when at home, who is completely fine with lengthy and rigorous background checks on all gun-purchases, and who will never be a member of the NRA
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and that is exactly why you are a dangerous kook because you cant even math spell.
Dangerous, no. I just think of this picture whenever I hear gun-nut Americans talking about their "right to bear arms" or how they can protect themselves if the government wages war on the people etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnTlIz0.jpg)
Bums me out that he's got a Cardinals shirt on. That's my team
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Wendell, thank you, that was one of the best comments I’ve read about gun ownership.
I was born in the states, but grew up in Canada. I got my C.O.R.E (hunting rifle training certificate) when I was 14 and went out with my Dad. We had lots of guns, kept locked up with ammo locked separate.
Every time I went over the border to the states, the gun culture was palatable. And disturbing to someone who didn’t grow up in it.
In Canada, we have a similar mix of people as the US, and no shortage of guns, but we don’t feel the need to wave them around. It’s not part of our national image.
And the last time I went to the border and was in the offices on the US side, it was creepy, there was a military channel playing on TV and the agents on the US side seemed way more ‘touchy’ and aggressive.
Canada didn’t go thru the same internal conflicts, the country didn’t have as bloody a birth. America was born and is steeped in violence, and has historically used it to ‘solve’ problems with frightening consistency, be it the Indians, the Mexicans, labor disputes, interventions in other countries, and on the streets.
You have given this one killing tool a special place in your constitution, as your founders believed (coming out of feudalism) and you are taught to believe) that the potential for deadly violence is the best way to prevent crime and tyranny.
It’s a self-enforcing problem, because as the violence that is celebrated in the culture is acted out, the answer is usually ‘more guns’.
Police have guns, criminals carry more guns, police start getting nervous and shooting more people...
Saturate the country in guns and violent potential. Make sure it’s part of every Americans’ identity. Cowboy culture. Yee-haw.
The stupidity of this is easily demonstrated by the fact that every other country with a somewhat functioning democracy and sane gun laws has not fallen to tyranny, yet can be safe and friendly. In many places safer than the US.
This isn’t just from gun laws alone, it’s social cohesion, how the culture decides to look after its members.
So how do you stop a cultural force that strong? How do you shift that continueing death culture momentum and soften it?
Oblow, for all his faults, tried to do a tiny part in the shift, to give up his ability to kill. It’s not a perfect solution, but from an outside perspective at your frankly insane gun culture, it’s a start.
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Also americans thinking they're living in some third world country where you need guns to protect yourself from the government is insane
right, almost as "insane" as simplistically talking about America in this conversation as if it is one monolithic thing, and not lots of different people, social and economic strata, places (cities, inner-ring suburbs, exurbs, etc.), and sets of circumstances that need to be considered if you're going to say anything of practical value.
i responded to this Oblow post in the "I Survived School Today" thread, but since the conversation is over here now, I'll say my peace again...
“trade in your guns, save a life”?
i get it--most of us are scared, confused, and worried and trying to figure out what can be done to counter this awful shit that keeps happening, but if his guns were secured when he wasn’t using them, and he was a sane, rationale, and responsible gun owner/enthusiast, nobody’s life would have been in danger in the first place. i know, so this is a symbolic act meant to inspire--and he's just the humble dude to inspire us all, right?
also, it kills me that poor, marginalized, minority populations of young people in America's CITIES have been getting shot and killed daily from ever since, but there’s never been such focused and sustained “outrage” for these shootings and deaths.
“mass shootings”/“active shooters” at schools are almost wholly a SUBURBAN phenomenon. they have little to do with the daily circumstances and experiences of poor, working, and minority populations in this country’s CITIES, such as here in Detroit, where you regularly hear about armed citizens successfully defending themselves/loved ones with their legally owned guns, which the chief of police recommended.
in my eyes, only a perspective cultivated in the safest and most secure kind of privilege could possibly believe that poor, working, and minority populations especially in this country’s cities should be so absolutely outgunned by armies of criminals and criminalized youth armed with semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, with "high-capacity" magazines that are almost all derived illegally; by increasingly militarized police forces with lots of sweet hand-me-down stuff from the military; by an increasingly organized and mobilized white nationalist movement; and--perhaps most importantly--by massive privately owned armies such as those which men like Erik Prince wield (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince))…these can’t be the only people who are armed in this country.
instead of the half measure of discussing HOW these rampages are being carried out, people should also be honest and accountable and talk about WHY they keep happening. what do all of these “safe,” “pleasant,” “nurturing” suburban communities do to some of their young men to consistently create the conditions for these homicidal rampages? what is it about American suburban environments and ways-of-life that consistently generates such explosive degrees of isolation, loneliness, and anomie in these young men?
and for those of you posters from other country's talking about how fucked and violent the U.S. is, you're right--this is what it looks like when "one of the world's richest countries" reaches a point of TERMINAL decline...so many of us will continue to hope and work for the best, but you better bet that we will be prepared for the worst too.
love,
an english professor in the city of Detroit, with a CPL, who legally owns a number of "high-capacity" rifles and handguns that are always secured in a gun-safe when at home, who is completely fine with lengthy and rigorous background checks on all gun-purchases, and who will never be a member of the NRA
how can you be an english professor and so blissfully unaware of suburban symbolism in media and literature?
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ive seen some fucked threads in my day but let me get an expert down here.
free max b
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First of all - as a Dane, gun culture is extremely foreign to me, and I am not replying here to say "stupid Murica!!" - I have never lived in USA and no I don't know how it is to be a normal citizen. But I do have some questions, because I cannot really figure out, who is arguing what and when on the pro-gun side of things.
First of all, am i correct in assuming that there is basically three arguments (and variations thereof)?
1) It is a right, and people do not want to give up their rights.
2) A fetishism/admiration of guns as a commodity (loving guns for the beauty of it, like the way we admire skateboarding in here).
3) A means to feel safe - which is usually combined with a huge distrust of government and society in general.
Now my question is (first of all if the above is somewhat correct), are these argument common in most pro-gun people, or are they tied to certain demographics? I mean - is it common for instance to use the third argument, and then at the same time, wishing for a future, where you could get rid of guns, but at the moment you wouldn't argue that it is a reasonable thing to do?
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who knew Johnny Knoxville would have so many gunz
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Guns are for pussies. Scared little pussies.
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First of all - as a Dane, gun culture is extremely foreign to me, and I am not replying here to say "stupid Murica!!" - I have never lived in USA and no I don't know how it is to be a normal citizen. But I do have some questions, because I cannot really figure out, who is arguing what and when on the pro-gun side of things.
First of all, am i correct in assuming that there is basically three arguments (and variations thereof)?
1) It is a right, and people do not want to give up their rights.
2) A fetishism/admiration of guns as a commodity (loving guns for the beauty of it, like the way we admire skateboarding in here).
3) A means to feel safe - which is usually combined with a huge distrust of government and society in general.
Now my question is (first of all if the above is somewhat correct), are these argument common in most pro-gun people, or are they tied to certain demographics? I mean - is it common for instance to use the third argument, and then at the same time, wishing for a future, where you could get rid of guns, but at the moment you wouldn't argue that it is a reasonable thing to do?
I'm in Canada, but we mainly use guns.....to provide food
Government tried to take them away and it didnt work out well.
I think it's like most other things. People just generally want the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt harm others.
Government overreach is a massive problem here. For instance, I can camp in the Bush. That's ok. But if I stay over 20 days, I will ne arrested and removed. Why? It's a fuckin tent in the Bush. Who gives a fuck as long as it's not a fuckin meth lab or something. I just happen to enjoy camping
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When an untrained person who has never experienced actual combat type stress in the suburbs thinks they're gonna save the day with a gun they have only shot at a range.
See how it's a two way street? You're not preventing shit.
This is key
I should still have a means of defending myself if someone comes thru in the night, which happens.
drugs are illegal, skateboarding is illegal; the people who really know it are participating in it right now.
It would be wrong to think guns aren't going to fit into that similar category.
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
You think police is going to shoot more people now that they have more guns? You realize that a major reason why US police have a quick trigger finger is because everyone has guns?
I mean, more guns leading to more gun violence makes sense, but that's not the point. Wanting to end gun violence by giving guns to the police, a group that gets paid to commit violence, is hypocritical.
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First of all - as a Dane, gun culture is extremely foreign to me, and I am not replying here to say "stupid Murica!!" - I have never lived in USA and no I don't know how it is to be a normal citizen. But I do have some questions, because I cannot really figure out, who is arguing what and when on the pro-gun side of things.
First of all, am i correct in assuming that there is basically three arguments (and variations thereof)?
1) It is a right, and people do not want to give up their rights.
2) A fetishism/admiration of guns as a commodity (loving guns for the beauty of it, like the way we admire skateboarding in here).
3) A means to feel safe - which is usually combined with a huge distrust of government and society in general.
Now my question is (first of all if the above is somewhat correct), are these argument common in most pro-gun people, or are they tied to certain demographics? I mean - is it common for instance to use the third argument, and then at the same time, wishing for a future, where you could get rid of guns, but at the moment you wouldn't argue that it is a reasonable thing to do?
I'm in Canada, but we mainly use guns.....to provide food
Government tried to take them away and it didnt work put well.
I think it's like most other things. People just generally want the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt harm others.
Government overreach is a massive problem here. For instance, I can camp in the Bush. That's ok. But if I stay over 20 days, I will ne arrested and removed. Why? It's a fuckin tent in the Bush. Who gives a fuck as long as it's not a fuckin meth lab or something. I just happen to enjoy camping
Fair enough, but owning guns because you are a hunter is also something we do here in Denmark (especially in the area, where I grew up), but the hunters I know, generally see it as owning a tool - it has an extremely specific purpose. One of my friends, for instance, once told me that he wanted a new gun - but it wasn't because it would look cool, it was because he needed that type of gun to be able to hunt some big animal (a Moose, I believe). I mean it is a bit different reason than wanting a gun in case something happens. Hunters know exactly what the situation the gun is for - it is for hunting.
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First of all - as a Dane, gun culture is extremely foreign to me, and I am not replying here to say "stupid Murica!!" - I have never lived in USA and no I don't know how it is to be a normal citizen. But I do have some questions, because I cannot really figure out, who is arguing what and when on the pro-gun side of things.
First of all, am i correct in assuming that there is basically three arguments (and variations thereof)?
1) It is a right, and people do not want to give up their rights.
2) A fetishism/admiration of guns as a commodity (loving guns for the beauty of it, like the way we admire skateboarding in here).
3) A means to feel safe - which is usually combined with a huge distrust of government and society in general.
Now my question is (first of all if the above is somewhat correct), are these argument common in most pro-gun people, or are they tied to certain demographics? I mean - is it common for instance to use the third argument, and then at the same time, wishing for a future, where you could get rid of guns, but at the moment you wouldn't argue that it is a reasonable thing to do?
I'm in Canada, but we mainly use guns.....to provide food
Government tried to take them away and it didnt work put well.
I think it's like most other things. People just generally want the right to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt harm others.
Government overreach is a massive problem here. For instance, I can camp in the Bush. That's ok. But if I stay over 20 days, I will ne arrested and removed. Why? It's a fuckin tent in the Bush. Who gives a fuck as long as it's not a fuckin meth lab or something. I just happen to enjoy camping
Fair enough, but owning guns because you are a hunter is also something we do here in Denmark (especially in the area, where I grew up), but the hunters I know, generally see it as owning a tool - it has an extremely specific purpose. One of my friends, for instance, once told me that he wanted a new gun - but it wasn't because it would look cool, it was because he needed that type of gun to be able to hunt some big animal (a Moose, I believe). I mean it is a bit different reason than wanting a gun in case something happens. Hunters know exactly what the situation the gun is for - it is for hunting.
So it is guns as a tool not as a weapon.
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100%.
Here is what I see as an issue. People in rural areas use a gun as a tool. But, from time to time it will also be used in self defense of home invasion which is somewhat rare.
Anyhow, the topic takes a drastic turn talking about cities, and let's say handguns. Is this logical? Do handguns cause more violence or deter more violence? Guns aren't the issue imo, its VIOLENCE .
If you live in a society that is extremely violent, look at that issue first and foremost. Even taking away handguns doesnt seem to deter violence, so whatd the answer? I really dont know
Here hand guns are illegal and nobody gives a shit. Almost every home has this. A .22, a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, a 30/06 and a .303. And there is almost no gun violence at all.
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Cucktard, your comments are appreciated too--I’m sure the palpable difference at the border is very real.
Ocelot, the funny thing is, much of my work (especially in my dissertation) is exactly trying to connect nihilistic and anomic behavior in young people to suburban and exurban landscapes and ways-of-life of through film, music, and literature (Over the Edge, Suburbia, White Noise, The Crying of Lot 49, etc.). so, i’m fully aware of the many ways the suburbs are represented in culture and in the media--in this regard, I guess you could say my questions about the suburbs are kind of hypothetical…i know what i think these geographies and lifestyles do to young people, it’s just that plenty of people don’t seem to even consider it.
i do want to make it clear, that i am also a gun “enthusiast,” so i also own guns because i am interested in their “economy of design.” is this “fetishizing” them? maybe, but no more than i fetishize my skateboards when i use and/or work on them. i definitely love and enjoy going to the shooting range, and learning to consistently shoot handguns accurately is one of the most humbling endeavors of my life thus far…almost as humbling as, say, tyring to do five-0s on round rails. being an “enthusiast” is very much about being a bit of a “tech geek,” only it’s guns. when i decide i want a new gun, it’s almost always based on me wanting to learn the nuances and experience of shooting a new caliber, and then i decide which specific brand and model…this is also in response to Rasmus’ questions i guess…
all of this being said, this is just my perspective at this point…i’m not trying to be one of Slap’s “pro-gun” advocates. unlike others like Oblow, i’m not on social media at all, or advertising what i think other people should do, and i’m not trying to tell anyone what to do in these fucked times--i acknowledge that my experience is just as limited as anybody else’s and it is just one of many, and that circumstances are different for lots of different people…
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100%.
Here is what I see as an issue. People in rural areas use a gun as a tool. But, from time to time it will also be used in self defense of home invasion which is somewhat rare.
Anyhow, the topic takes a drastic turn talking about cities, and let's say handguns. Is this logical? Do handguns cause more violence or deter more violence? Guns aren't the issue imo, its VIOLENCE .
If you live in a society that is extremely violent, look at that issue first and foremost. Even taking away handguns doesnt seem to deter violence, so whatd the answer? I really dont know
Here hand guns are illegal and nobody gives a shit. Almost every home has this. A .22, a 12 gauge, a 20 gauge, a 30/06 and a .303. And there is almost no gun violence at all.
Why the hell is the world so complex >:(
Guns are also illegal here (I don't know if it has ever been legal, actually) but that doesn't keep the gang members from obtaining guns.
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i do want to make it clear, that i am also a gun “enthusiast,” so i also own guns because i am interested in their “economy of design.” is this “fetishizing” them? maybe, but no more than i fetishize my skateboards when i use and/or work on them. i definitely love and enjoy going to the shooting range, and learning to consistently shoot handguns accurately is one of the most humbling endeavors of my life thus far…almost as humbling as, say, tyring to do five-0s on round rails. being an “enthusiast” is very much about being a bit of a “tech geek,” only it’s guns. when i decide i want a new gun, it’s almost always based on me wanting to learn the nuances and experience of shooting a new caliber, and then i decide which specific brand and model…this is also in response to Rasmus’ questions i guess…
I can understand this - I mean, I, too, can't help being fascinated by the sheer force of power certain things can have, like a sound system, a formula 1 car etc. But that does not mean I wish to legalize formula 1 cars in the streets... oh for fuck's sake this is confusing me more, the more I try to understand guns!
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
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Cucktard, your comments are appreciated too--I’m sure the palpable difference at the border is very real.
Ocelot, the funny thing is, much of my work (especially in my dissertation) is exactly trying to connect nihilistic and anomic behavior in young people to suburban and exurban landscapes and ways-of-life of through film, music, and literature (Over the Edge, Suburbia, White Noise, The Crying of Lot 49, etc.). so, i’m fully aware of the many ways the suburbs are represented in culture and in the media--in this regard, I guess you could say my questions about the suburbs are kind of hypothetical…i know what i think these geographies and lifestyles do to young people, it’s just that plenty of people don’t seem to even consider it.
i do want to make it clear, that i am also a gun “enthusiast,” so i also own guns because i am interested in their “economy of design.” is this “fetishizing” them? maybe, but no more than i fetishize my skateboards when i use and/or work on them. i definitely love and enjoy going to the shooting range, and learning to consistently shoot handguns accurately is one of the most humbling endeavors of my life thus far…almost as humbling as, say, tyring to do five-0s on round rails. being an “enthusiast” is very much about being a bit of a “tech geek,” only it’s guns. when i decide i want a new gun, it’s almost always based on me wanting to learn the nuances and experience of shooting a new caliber, and then i decide which specific brand and model…this is also in response to Rasmus’ questions i guess…
all of this being said, this is just my perspective at this point…i’m not trying to be one of Slap’s “pro-gun” advocates. unlike others like Oblow, i’m not on social media at all, or advertising what i think other people should do, and i’m not trying to tell anyone what to do in these fucked times--i acknowledge that my experience is just as limited as anybody else’s and it is just one of many, and that circumstances are different for lots of different people…
lol how did you become a professor?
nihilism in suburbia.. jeez who woulda thought?
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The fucked up thing is if the government took my guns, I'd use a crossbow, if they take my crossbow, I'll use a bow, if they take my bow, I'll use snares.
It just goes on and on.
But handguns are an issue IMO, there is very little practical use of these weapons. I get that law enforcement needs them(even though they to overreach complicating the issue more)
Anyone here own a hand gun? I've been hunting essentially my whole life, and I still cant hit a target outside 40 feet accurately . That's in a controlled setting. If I had to defend myself or my home, I'd basically be shooting blind.
Thus, although mainly used for hunting. Break into my house and the gun I'm reaching for is a 12 gauge.
Anyhow, as much I a can dislike cops, many are friends of mine I grew up with. And they tell stories of pulling the trigger and you can see how much it torments them. They are taught(here at least), if a gun is drawn, that trigger is getting pulled. Thus, if you dont want to pull the trigger, do not pull the gun
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
You think police is going to shoot more people now that they have more guns? You realize that a major reason why US police have a quick trigger finger is because everyone has guns?
I mean, more guns leading to more gun violence makes sense, but that's not the point. Wanting to end gun violence by giving guns to the police, a group that gets paid to commit violence, is hypocritical.
But the police have all the guns they need to kill as many people they want. Hypocritical or not, it makes no difference if people give them their guns as they will have guns anyways. And at least by default, police violence is an answer to violent criminal activity. Less firepower on the criminal side = less consequential violence committed by the police.
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
You think police is going to shoot more people now that they have more guns? You realize that a major reason why US police have a quick trigger finger is because everyone has guns?
I mean, more guns leading to more gun violence makes sense, but that's not the point. Wanting to end gun violence by giving guns to the police, a group that gets paid to commit violence, is hypocritical.
But the police have all the guns they need to kill as many people they want. Hypocritical or not, it makes no difference if people give them their guns as they will have guns anyways. And at least by default, police violence is an answer to violent criminal activity. Less firepower on the criminal side = less consequential violence committed by the police.
This brings in the debate of criminality. Criminals will posses weapons no matter what you do.
What's your take on this? I'm genuinely curious because this debate seems to have no clear cut answer
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I should add, my house has been broken into twice. Not once did I go for a gun, I used a aluminum bat to the legs to disable.
I had a very thorough discussion with authorities when they arrived.
I was somewhat weirded out by the response.
1) use any force necessary to defend your family/property, this is 100% legal
2) if the invader is fleeing, you cannot legally chase or do him any harm
3) if his/her back is to you, you cannot legally shoot
So what the fuck is it? I dont wish to harm anyone, that's anti shalom, but this is all very confusing
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First of all - as a Dane, gun culture is extremely foreign to me, and I am not replying here to say "stupid Murica!!" - I have never lived in USA and no I don't know how it is to be a normal citizen. But I do have some questions, because I cannot really figure out, who is arguing what and when on the pro-gun side of things.
First of all, am i correct in assuming that there is basically three arguments (and variations thereof)?
1) It is a right, and people do not want to give up their rights.
2) A fetishism/admiration of guns as a commodity (loving guns for the beauty of it, like the way we admire skateboarding in here).
3) A means to feel safe - which is usually combined with a huge distrust of government and society in general.
Now my question is (first of all if the above is somewhat correct), are these argument common in most pro-gun people, or are they tied to certain demographics? I mean - is it common for instance to use the third argument, and then at the same time, wishing for a future, where you could get rid of guns, but at the moment you wouldn't argue that it is a reasonable thing to do?
It’s not only a right. It’s a constitutional right. It was drafted when the threat of British military taking over the original 13 colonies was a thing.
The United States of America is a big big place. Lots of rural land where 911 isn’t going to show up right away. So owning a fire arm makes sense for the protection of your property.
However Gun fetishism for sure exsists and people being people go overboard with stockpiling for a SHTF (shit hits the fan)scenario. The pro gun argument I keep hearing is “as soon as the government take away people rights to gun is when the dystopian police state begins” but now I’m starting to verge onto Alex Jones territory.
TLDR gun control is a complex issue
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I always thought it was funny that the gun fetishists that ive come across were always right wingers who would blow a cop or someone in the military any chance they got and stands behind them 110% even though if "shit goes down" they claim those same people will take their guns. What.
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Why does America have such a high mass shooting rate in high schools
By the time they reach high school, nearly 20 percent of all American boys will be diagnosed with ADHD. Millions of those boys will be prescribed a powerful stimulant to "normalize" them. A great many of those boys will suffer serious side effects from those drugs. The shocking truth is that many of those diagnoses are wrong, and that most of those boys are being drugged for no good reason—simply for being boys. It's time we recognize this as a crisis.
From an article the drugging of the American boy. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/
One of several I just like the picture on this one. Also the correlation between the utter eradication of the involuntary detainment of the mentally ill via the funny farm and the rise of mental illness has been purposefully ignored. Note that the rise in mass shooting has escalated since the 70's when we started letting the loose nuts roll out on to the street and breed all in the name of humanity.
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Anyone here own a hand gun? I've been hunting essentially my whole life, and I still cant hit a target outside 40 feet accurately . That's in a controlled setting. If I had to defend myself or my home, I'd basically be shooting blind.
Thus, although mainly used for hunting. Break into my house and the gun I'm reaching for is a 12 gauge.
I'm a decent off hand shot using with a rifle with iron sights. I'm hot garbage with a handgun beyond 10 yards. Going by observation from various shooting ranges I've been to, 2/3 of people are terrible off a rest with either, which makes me think the whole "good guy saving the day" will usually be fantasy/dumb luck.
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I always thought it was funny that the gun fetishists that ive come across were always right wingers who would blow a cop or someone in the military any chance they got and stands behind them 110% even though if "shit goes down" they claim those same people will take their guns. What.
Boot lickers aren’t the smartest bunch
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I always thought it was funny that the gun fetishists that ive come across were always right wingers who would blow a cop or someone in the military any chance they got and stands behind them 110% even though if "shit goes down" they claim those same people will take their guns. What.
Boot lickers aren’t the smartest bunch
Such broad brush nonsense "right wing" this "gun nut" that, mass media buzz words. Again 43% of American households own guns. This is a really big place with lots of people with very varying political leanings. The general population outnumbers the Military, Police, and Federal agencies combined 9 to 1 over a vast territory with multiple terrains we are not all just sitting in the middle of a corn field waiting to be shot. Jeez think it through, our forefathers were wise when they set up the constitution they knew the general populace would always be bigger than the military and an armed citizenry would deter tyranny. If you think a few stray guys with guts hiding out in the woods cant cause any harm you need to look up the French partisans WWII. But seems I'm already old man yelling at NPC here.
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“mass shootings”/“active shooters” at schools are almost wholly a SUBURBAN phenomenon. they have little to do with the daily circumstances and experiences of poor, working, and minority populations in this country’s CITIES, such as here in Detroit, where you regularly hear about armed citizens successfully defending themselves/loved ones with their legally owned guns, which the chief of police recommended.
in my eyes, only a perspective cultivated in the safest and most secure kind of privilege could possibly believe that poor, working, and minority populations especially in this country’s cities should be so absolutely outgunned by armies of criminals and criminalized youth armed with semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons, with "high-capacity" magazines that are almost all derived illegally; by increasingly militarized police forces with lots of sweet hand-me-down stuff from the military; by an increasingly organized and mobilized white nationalist movement; and--perhaps most importantly--by massive privately owned armies such as those which men like Erik Prince wield (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/the-strange-ascent-of-betsy-devos-and-erik-prince))…these can’t be the only people who are armed in this country.
The notion of people being out gunned by the criminals makes surface level sense, but, sadly, it doesn't add up. All of us are most likely to be killed by someone we know in a crime of passion (poor or wealthy; black or white; etc.).
That is, unless we are street dealers. Street dealing is a very dangerous profession. The high murder rate in the cities comes from the criminalized/unregulated open-air drug markets. The dealers are killing one another. The murder rate spiked in America during prohibition and spiked again during the war on drugs.
As for deterrence, dealers are not deterred by the other dealers having guns just the same as soldiers are not deterred from entering battle because the other army might have guns. You cannot deter someone who views themselves as a soldier or someone who doesn't expect to live for very long anyway. Deterrence only works when someone (believes) they have future worth living for (and they aren't sacrificing that future for the greater good or a sense of duty). This might be why the hyper individualist people in the American suburbs love the idea of deterrence so much; they are more likely to have a decent today and (individualized) future they want to protect. However, even then, we all risk our present/future on a regular basis since humans are not rational actors.
All that being said our homicide rate is actually LOWER than what it was in the 1960s. In 2014 our homicide rate was 4.4 per 100K. The lowest homicide rate in the 1960s was 4.6 per 100K (1962/63). On average, Americans are less likely to die today than in the good ol' days everyone seems to be pining for when "America was safe and kids could ride their bikes in the streets." America is not as dangerous as we all want to pretend it is. The news and shitty TV shows like Law and Order, COPS, True Crime, etc. all make us feel less safe in a world that is safer than it was 40 years ago.
I'm not for guns for everyone and I'm not for guns for no one. But, the reality is we are safer than we were 30/40 years ago and deterrence is a flawed crime suppression strategy. Society is unsafe and deterrence works are strong ideological arguments, but they are flawed when it comes to the reality of the world we live in.
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The fucked up thing is if the government took my guns, I'd use a crossbow, if they take my crossbow, I'll use a bow, if they take my bow, I'll use snares.
It just goes on and on.
But handguns are an issue IMO, there is very little practical use of these weapons. I get that law enforcement needs them(even though they to overreach complicating the issue more)
Anyone here own a hand gun? I've been hunting essentially my whole life, and I still cant hit a target outside 40 feet accurately . That's in a controlled setting. If I had to defend myself or my home, I'd basically be shooting blind.
Thus, although mainly used for hunting. Break into my house and the gun I'm reaching for is a 12 gauge.
Anyhow, as much I a can dislike cops, many are friends of mine I grew up with. And they tell stories of pulling the trigger and you can see how much it torments them. They are taught(here at least), if a gun is drawn, that trigger is getting pulled. Thus, if you dont want to pull the trigger, do not pull the gun
I have a 9mm and a 22 rifle I live in an open carry state. Besides skating I enjoy bushcraft I keep the 9 on me for cougar, bear, and sos to not end up in Deliverance II. Me and my buds go out to the gravel pits to target bi monthly and I got to get a rabbit or two every year for stew but that's about it. I'm a fair shot with the 9 at 10 yards I'll put one in the head at 10 feet. I can split an arrow at 20 yards with my rifle no scope, just been shooting it since I was 12. Go ahead and sell your guns but giving em to the cops on social media is fucking wack.
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So if he didn't give them up, he was going to mow down a ton of school kids? Good thing they're out his hands then
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The reason America has such high mass shootings is because of mk ultra
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
Yeah I back this 100% I don’t understand the argument that only cops should have guns, I grew up around cops as extended family and uhhhhh, they’re not always the most “right in the brain people”
Cope are 10,000x scarier than reg civ because they have the government on their side.
I love in the US and feel safer in the hood than around cops, let Mark do what he wants. I just personally wouldn’t do it, but fuck it. I just hate all this ego trip Instagram bs
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Alright, fuck, long time lurker but feel like this needs to be said. Dude is not a kook for deciding he no longer wanted his guns. Dude most certainly IS a kook for giving his guns to the FUCKING COPS. You think the cops need more guns? That they're gonna put them to good use? How you gonna say "there's too much death and violence" and then just hand your guns to a group that kills more people than mass-shooters. Just fucking insane. Bring them to a place that can have them melted. So many If we're gonna talk disarming, the state will have to as well. Y'all arguing about the wrong shit.
Oblow still a kook.
Yeah I back this 100% I don’t understand the argument that only cops should have guns, I grew up around cops as extended family and uhhhhh, they’re not always the most “right in the brain people”
Cope are 10,000x scarier than reg civ because they have the government on their side.
I love in the US and feel safer in the hood than around cops, let Mark do what he wants. I just personally wouldn’t do it, but fuck it. I just hate all this ego trip Instagram bs
agreed. if you're feeling like you're gonna shoot up a school and you dont' wanna be 'that guy' then don't give your guns to the cops.
give your guns to the gentle denizens of 'the hood'.
safety first.
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The reason America has such high mass shootings is because of mk ultra
Finally, looks like we got a reader, add this with the destruction of permanent stay asylums and 20% of American school boys on adhd drugs and you got a pretty good psycho machine.
Bill Cooper Behold a pale Horse 1991, PROJECT ORION
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Thanks, Oblow, for this clogged toilet of a thread.
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I’m glad this came up again, I fell like we’ve really gotten through to each other this time around.
Anyone keep a bat or some shit by their bed? Feel like that’s an old school dad move that might not get used much anymore.
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I’m glad this came up again, I fell like we’ve really gotten through to each other this time around.
Anyone keep a bat or some shit by their bed? Feel like that’s an old school dad move that might not get used much anymore.
Read my posts. I used a bat on both of experience of home invasions, break and enter
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I keep a hatchet.
We had a peeping tom, attempted home invasion situation and I handled it in my underwear while wielding a hatchet.
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I’m glad this came up again, I fell like we’ve really gotten through to each other this time around.
Anyone keep a bat or some shit by their bed? Feel like that’s an old school dad move that might not get used much anymore.
Read my posts. I used a bat on both of experience of home invasions, break and enter
but then i would have to read your posts, which makes me dumber
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I keep a hatchet.
We had a peeping tom, attempted home invasion situation and I handled it in my underwear while wielding a hatchet.
Haha. Are you an Englishman? Because that sounds straight out of a Monty Python skit.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
Please show me one.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
Please show me one.
I already did but you ignored it. People like you aren't worth having a conversation with. Good day, sir.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
Please show me one.
I already did but you ignored it. People like you aren't worth having a conversation with. Good day, sir.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
Please show me one.
I already did but you ignored it. People like you aren't worth having a conversation with. Good day, sir.
All right.
It's not a black and white issue. It's full of grey areas that are worth discussing, only if you have an open mind and aren't just rallying for a certain team. Both teams are bullshit, sanity is somewhere in the middle.
Okay now I'm done. i hate politics and the fact I got sucked into this thread
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Guns are for guys that are too scared to say something to someone’s face, on Instagram.
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I’m glad this came up again, I fell like we’ve really gotten through to each other this time around.
Anyone keep a bat or some shit by their bed? Feel like that’s an old school dad move that might not get used much anymore.
Read my posts. I used a bat on both of experience of home invasions, break and enter
but then i would have to read your posts, which makes me dumber
That's not possible, nor plausable.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Now I don't, your comment has made me realize that my government will oppress me to the fullest as soon as possible if I don't have a rifle in the closet. You've shown me the light. Thanks.
You're being willfully ignorant. i know this is a touchy subject steeped in identity politics, but to say you've never heard a cogent argument for the 2nd amendment just proves you're unable to be objective about the subject.
Please show me one.
I already did but you ignored it. People like you aren't worth having a conversation with. Good day, sir.
All right.
It's not a black and white issue. It's full of grey areas that are worth discussing, only if you have an open mind and aren't just rallying for a certain team. Both teams are bullshit, sanity is somewhere in the middle.
Okay now I'm done. i hate politics and the fact I got sucked into this thread
No problem. If you have any links or recommendations to texts that do offer a mature, cogent argument in favour of current US gun laws, and that directly relate to the modern-day political/sociological climate of the US, I'd be interested in reading them. You can DM me them if you want to further avoid this thread.
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Bullets are a lot cheaper than missiles, plus that is a what if situation(i.e. Venezuela) and I’ll take my chances with my shitty little rifle
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I really dont understand this. Just, just dont shoot anyone. You're in control here bud. Keep em locked up until shit hits the fan.
I get it though, you just wanted some sjw content on your instagram. Fuck this guy, fuck Rapaport too
I hate these threads because posters you always thought were great end up outing themselves as kooks. Damn.
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I really dont understand this. Just, just dont shoot anyone. You're in control here bud. Keep em locked up until shit hits the fan.
I get it though, you just wanted some sjw content on your instagram. Fuck this guy, fuck Rapaport too
I hate these threads because posters you always thought were great end up outing themselves as kooks. Damn.
To be fair, I always thought you were a kook. How many people have Spicy McChickens killed?
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,
Lets look at those numbers again
armed military/civil authority 3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with 320,000,000+
with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.
But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?
It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,
Lets look at those numbers again
armed military/civil authority 3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with 320,000,000+
with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.
But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?
It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
You say rational a lot while fantasizing.
The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.
So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.
And in case you missed it the first time
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,
Lets look at those numbers again
armed military/civil authority 3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with 320,000,000+
with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.
But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?
It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
You say rational a lot while fantasizing.
The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.
So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.
And in case you missed it the first time
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
My passport is caked in ink don't assume that just because I prefer America don't mean I haven't been abroad.The UK is violent as shit and there are Cameras everyfucking where Orwell rolls in his grave. All over Europe the migrant Crisis is turning once beautiful cities into slums and Sweden is now popularly known as the rape capital of the world. So yeah if my wife was walking around after work and missed her train should she just get raped? Or should she pull a 9mm. Government tyranny is one thing what about the tyranny of the individual? Again play it through.
And like the Japan idiot what is the economic/cultural demographic land mass and population make up of these "other peaceful democracies with relatively unarmed populations" Nothing Like Ours? Can you not look at America for what it is without these bullshit comparisons that make no sense?
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,
Lets look at those numbers again
armed military/civil authority 3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with 320,000,000+
with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.
But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?
It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
You say rational a lot while fantasizing.
The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.
So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.
And in case you missed it the first time
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
My passport is caked in ink don't assume that just because I prefer America don't mean I haven't been abroad.The UK is violent as shit and there are Cameras everyfucking where Orwell rolls in his grave. All over Europe the migrant Crisis is turning once beautiful cities into slums and Sweden is now popularly known as the rape capital of the world. So yeah if my wife was walking around after work and missed her train should she just get raped? Or should she pull a 9mm. Government tyranny is one thing what about the tyranny of the individual? Again play it through.
And like the Japan idiot what is the economic/cultural demographic land mass and population make up of these "other peaceful democracies with relatively unarmed populations" Nothing Like Ours? Can you not look at America for what it is without these bullshit comparisons that make no sense?
You don’t know how to argue, do you?
My points all reference tyranny and democracy in government, yet when you can’t refute that, you change the topic to crime.
Admit you don’t have a point or don’t bother replying.
As for your last point, populations like ours? Younger countries based on European democratic principles with a mixed cultural population and a history of colonialism and genocide against the indigenous people?
Fine. Australia and Canada. Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Aah yes, the ‘racialist’ argument. Sorry, this is about guns, not national make up.
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
It’s getting there.
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
We are talking about ‘needing guns to protect from tyrannical government’ which I’ve shown is bullshit.
You don’t want to respond to that, so you disingenuously change the topic to ‘we need guns because we don’t live in a racially pure society’, which is a totally different (yet equally idiotic) argument.
But just to educate you, yes, there is the fucking Yakuza, and tons of cults, like the Aum Shin Rikyo, that launched poison gas attacks.
And yes, Japan is not as racially diverse as it seems, just 100 years ago there were racially-charged riots after an earthquake, where the locals tried to murder the Korean community.
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
No, they are very different.
Not in small part because OF THE NUMBER OF FUCKING GUNS AND A CULTURE OF USING THEM
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
Neither have the Japanese. Except for a few hundred years there the country was closed, there was lots of trade and cultural exchange with neighboring countries
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
Let me finish that sentence for you
WE NEED MOAR GUNZZZ
We are talking about the relationship between civilian-held guns and democracy, which you say is essential, but the evidence shows otherwise.
And I did give you an example of an organized, armed group that didn’t stand a chance against government pressure.
Fuckwit indeed.
Now, you are coming close to making a point about cultural norms, but you are so far up your own ass with using only the most extreme examples of everything, I can’t trust you to make a reasoned argument.
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why are people bringing up japan?
most Americans wouldn't last a year over there anyway
this whole thread started out by calling out Oblow as a narcissistic kook who made a big deal out of some virtue signaling - it was literally a beta/alpha meme that cop taking the guns off him, lol
keep it on track boys
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Lol @ people who think their shitty little rifle is going to somehow protect them from the govt./ cops; if they really wanted to they’d just sit their on their iPads launching missiles at your front door!
Lets play your oh so original idea through just for kicks. Their are 3 million plus armed Military, State and Federal law enforcers, (sworn to defend the constitution by the way which includes the second amendment) and only a pesky 320 million Americans that don't want to be fucked with,
Lets look at those numbers again
armed military/civil authority 3,000,000+
civilians that don't want to be fucked with 320,000,000+
with 43% of house holds with guns it's almost as if the writers of the constitution knew the armed civilian population might be bigger than the standing army and civil police forces combined.
But hey if you are dumb enough to believe the Hollywood programming that our Government is comprised of super humans that are gonna just tyrannize an armed populace all of a sudden and missile launch 43% of American homes and not have the other 57% grab pitchforks, baseball bats, torches, etc etc, you see where this is going right?
It is precisely the fact that there is the second amendment that it will never happen and that is why it is there.
This is how rational people look at the world they do not stop thinking when they are told to by a repeating slogan they work out how the world actually works with their own minds they know that there are way too many of us to be afraid of a tyranny of the minority. Another reason it's great that the USA is so huge and has such a huge population, there is no way to centralize power. Pretty easy to take over an unarmed country the size and population of Wisconsin.
You say rational a lot while fantasizing.
The fact that other peaceful, democracies with relatively unarmed populations exist is reality, not your assertions that guns keep you safe from the government, especially not if you’re the Black Panthers.
So grow up and look beyond your own state to see how other societies manage to live without guns or tyranny.
And in case you missed it the first time
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
My passport is caked in ink don't assume that just because I prefer America don't mean I haven't been abroad.The UK is violent as shit and there are Cameras everyfucking where Orwell rolls in his grave. All over Europe the migrant Crisis is turning once beautiful cities into slums and Sweden is now popularly known as the rape capital of the world. So yeah if my wife was walking around after work and missed her train should she just get raped? Or should she pull a 9mm. Government tyranny is one thing what about the tyranny of the individual? Again play it through.
And like the Japan idiot what is the economic/cultural demographic land mass and population make up of these "other peaceful democracies with relatively unarmed populations" Nothing Like Ours? Can you not look at America for what it is without these bullshit comparisons that make no sense?
You don’t know how to argue, do you?
Canada a place where you can go to jail for misgendering a tranny not tyrannical at all
My points all reference tyranny and democracy in government, yet when you can’t refute that, you change the topic to crime.
Admit you don’t have a point or don’t bother replying.
As for your last point, populations like ours? Younger countries based on European democratic principles with a mixed cultural population and a history of colonialism and genocide against the indigenous people?
Fine. Australia and Canada. Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US.
Nope I don't know how to argue, I didn't change the subject I just expanded it noting that other countries have other problems simply because there are no guns. And that they have a completely different socio economic make up, so it's you who are using false equivalency. Do you know what the home invasion rate in America is vs oh I dunno everywhere? it's incomparable because knowing that there might be a gun owner deters the event from even taking place.
"Democracies that don’t worship guns as central to their governing principles, and with violent crime rates much lower than the US."
Your own words condemn you.
Violent cultures don't need guns to be violent you obviously have not been to any urban centers in the UK.
Again it's Cultural.
How about South Africa fuckwit?
Canada a place where you can be jailed for misgendering a tranny? Nope not tyrannical at all , no government overreach there. Have you been to Canada or met any Canadians? They Made Leonard Cohen, Gordon Lightfoot, and Neil Young.
We Made NWA and Snoop Dog, 50 cent and two chains, How fucking regular are you?
Completely different Cultures.
Australia ?
Australia did not ban ALL guns. There are more guns in circulation in Australia today than before gun control.
Nearly all of Australia’s mass shootings occurred in the 20 years before their gun buyback. It’s thus misleading to claim that mass shootings were common in Australia’s history – until gun control.
The majority of Australia’s mass public shootings have been committed with firearms that were never banned.
You have abandoned all logic with worthless idiotic comparisons.
We are an Empire in decline and you are bringing up countries of little to no consequence on the world stage.
Total and utter sophistry.
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
damn.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education
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I think the main thing to get from this thread is that America is a shit place
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sure, it's a lot but if you figured out how to fix a couple of rough black cities we'd be a whole lot more peaceful to look at.
whether you blame poverty, rap culture or whatever, that's the bulk of the murders but as long as it's impolitic to mention it's unlikely to change.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education
You live in a nation barely older than me built literally on top of another nation surrounded by dare I say maybe other than North Korea the absolute least democratic region on the planet you don't have guns but you have a wall (because those don't work and are racist right?) and suicide bombers everywhere and homemade missiles so again peeps who want to kill gonna kill gun or no. Horrible argument. But I feel for you man hang in there yeah who needs guns with improvised explosives? Fuck.
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whether you blame poverty, rap culture or whatever, that's the bulk of the murders but as long as it's impolitic to mention it's unlikely to change.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/
And that suicide rate is off the hook because of little to no Vet care , it's super sad.
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coulda gave up his guns back when Trayvon was a thing?
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Guy who made this graph was just sitting there thinkin “how do I make 3.2 in 100000 look as big as I possibly can?”
And cucktard leaning on that non biased “the Atlantic,” article so hard, “in case you missed it...”
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Guy who made this graph was just sitting there thinkin “how do I make 3.2 in 100000 look as big as I possibly can?”
And cucktard leaning on that non biased “the Atlantic,” article so hard, “in case you missed it...”
Had to go to DM's cause his "argument" was being destroyed so hard publicly.
Basic stuff any child can see if they bothered to look
HMM I wonder if North Korean would be like it is had the citizenry been armed?
Or the fact that Canadians actually are being threatened with Jail time for mis gendering their own children.
Or that America is insanely non violent if you bother to actually compare it to the rest of the world.
More people get killed with Guns when there is access to Guns , No shit guns are an effective killing tool
More people gonna get killed with machetes when too when you live in a third world shithole where no one can afford a gun and by the way news flash killers gonna kill
obviously common sense ain't too common
if you are alone and don't value your life that's fine but if you have a wife and kids in this clown world and you are not packing you're are irresponsible at best. One of these crazy fucks comes around where I live? they would be pumped full of lead from 4 different sides within seconds hell I'd be more worried about friendly crossfire.
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Geez, you are disingenuous.
I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.
Post the whole convo here if you like.
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Geez, you are disingenuous.
I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.
Post the whole convo here if you like.
You made it between you and me because I kept refuting you with facts
and then you quit DM ing when you had no more BS to spin
please do refute away let's start with North Korea
and the Canadian threats of jail time for father a properly gendering his own daughter who has jumped on the latest trans fad.
I can do this all day, reason is on my side.
all you got is feels.
if you feel so strongly about it and that you have some truth, shine light on it in the public square.
peeps will read or not just like any other stupid topic on here you just ran out of BS.
You think citizens should not be armed to protect for tyranny.
I offer up all the 3rd worlds shitholes or Communist/Socialist/Fascists ,totalitarian dictatorship throughout history that an armed citizenry could have prevented and you got squat.
I'm tired of beating my head against a wall I feel like and Eskimo arguing with a Vegan
your idealistic shit don't work in the real world bruh.
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Ok, last comment out of me and I’ll quit feeding the fire.
Whorific, hypothetical situations like “What if... had guns” do not count as facts.
And a single law where no one has been charged, nor is likely to be charged is not a tyrrany.
Stay safe.
Bye.
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Oh Noam he didn't. Chomsky on this. Etc.
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Ok, last comment out of me and I’ll quit feeding the fire.
Whorific, hypothetical situations like “What is ... had guns” do not count as facts.
And a single law where no one has been charged, nor is likely to be charged is not a tyrrany.
Stay safe.
Bye.
The oppression and death of countless peoples across the centuries as well as globe would have been prevented if they were armed is not a hypothetical it's a fact in that's how violent revolutions work, the masses arm themselves and throw out their rulers this is why tyrannical rulers disarm their peoples. If you do not "believe" that you are blinded by your idealism and immune to logic.
A Man was recently fined $55,000 in Canada for calling a man a man if he refused to pay as it is absurd on it's face he would be thrown in jail it's only a matter of time and yes fining a man an absurd amount under threat of jail for saying a man is a man is tyranny. If the party says 2+2 =5 and you disagree you go to jail? is an affront to his sanity and his liberty.
So again history, logic, and facts refute your feels.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
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Geez, you are disingenuous.
I took it to DMs, like I told you, so that everyone else wouldn’t have to listen to what was essentially a convo just between us.
Post the whole convo here if you like.
You made it between you and me because I kept refuting you with facts
and then you quit DM ing when you had no more BS to spin
please do refute away let's start with North Korea
and the Canadian threats of jail time for father a properly gendering his own daughter who has jumped on the latest trans fad.
I can do this all day, reason is on my side.
all you got is feels.
if you feel so strongly about it and that you have some truth, shine light on it in the public square.
peeps will read or not just like any other stupid topic on here you just ran out of BS.
You think citizens should not be armed to protect for tyranny.
I offer up all the 3rd worlds shitholes or Communist/Socialist/Fascists ,totalitarian dictatorship throughout history that an armed citizenry could have prevented and you got squat.
I'm tired of beating my head against a wall I feel like and Eskimo arguing with a Vegan
your idealistic shit don't work in the real world bruh.
What level of education have you achieved?
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I think the main thing to get from this thread is that America is a shit place
If you live here, you're free to leave. If you don't, your opinion on this doesn't matter.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
If you don't live in America and can't vote in our elections, your opinions on these matters are meaningless.
It'd be cool if you held your fellow countrymen to the same standard
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
If you don't live in America and can't vote in our elections, your opinions on these matters are meaningless.
It'd be cool if you held your fellow countrymen to the same standard
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Don't worry, I'm not a Republican. The government has been corrupt longer than I've been alive, just getting sick of people chiming in and judging when they haven't even stepped foot on this continent. I've seen you post charts and graphs twice now. I can see you're a detail oriented guy. Welcome to Slap. I'd say Shalom but that actually has a really dark meaning to it here.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
If you don't live in America and can't vote in our elections, your opinions on these matters are meaningless.
It'd be cool if you held your fellow countrymen to the same standard
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Yeah it’s called empire so what? Peeps been conquering other peeps and taking their resources for thousands of years. What is unique about America? 100 years ago it was Great Britain, So what? Are we gonna wag our fingers at say Genghis Kahn? How about we go all the way back to Stanley Kubrick’s Ape man ya know, the one wielding the bone? We can put him on trial for warcrimes for using inhumane technology and taking over the tribal waterhole while the other dumber apes died of thirst. Where were you going with this BS? Does not anyone think about basic refutations? I feel like a creative skater who can make a good creative line should have some inkling of what’s coming next, no?
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education
You live in a nation barely older than me built literally on top of another nation surrounded by dare I say maybe other than North Korea the absolute least democratic region on the planet you don't have guns but you have a wall (because those don't work and are racist right?) and suicide bombers everywhere and homemade missiles so again peeps who want to kill gonna kill gun or no. Horrible argument. But I feel for you man hang in there yeah who needs guns with improvised explosives? Fuck.
Israel is a shithole but still, guns to untrained civilians is dangerous. more suicides, more murders, more citizens taking matters to their own hands and doing more harm than good.
Even with the "stabbing intifada" or whatever the media named the stabbing spree we had a few years ago, if random people had guns we would have way more innocent people dying.
I have a jewish morrocan friend ( a big part of the population here) and when the country was in a frenzy about random stabbings in the streets someone walking alongside him in the street thought he was an arab terrorist coming to stab him, my friend is the most gentle dude ever and im sure if that guy had a gun my friend would have been in danger, just because he walked close to another dude in the street looking a bit darker than a regular jew.
The only people that can get a gun here are army, police and security forces and people living in sketchy areas like settlers, and even though alot of settlers have formal military training from their military service ive seen them abuse their guns and act like cowboys towards the palestinians around them. fuck settlers. fuck guns. guns are bad. alot of settlers are american jews that came here to "fill the holy land with jews" or whatever, bringing the american gun lust here, romanticizing "recapturing the land". ive seen settlers shoot toowards arab farmers direction because "they were heading towards our lands and they should be warned not to get close." i dont want people like that having guns even though they live in a sketchy area. we have an army and police for shit like that
Oh, and walls dont work. im smoking a hash joint from lebanon right now that probably went over that wall and skated/worked with palestinians that crossed the wall from the west bank and with sudanese people that passed the wall on the egyptian side.
I know people who died, i know people who killed with justification and people who killed because they felt like it and circumstances allowed them, and i really dont think untrained and unsupervised civilians should have guns. even with supervision and the right training stupid people sometimes want to take matters to their own hands and be the executioner. no 16 y/o should die because he threw some stones and gave an asshole a legal reason to "feel a threat' and shoot.
And believe me, the less guns you have around the less likely the police is going to have a heavy finger on the trigger. i have never seen a police officer pull his weapon out here. never. and im sure they are not smarter or calmer than the officers you have around you in the states shooting hundreds of people a year
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There's nothing wrong with what Oblow did. I'm amazed that he owned that many firearms.
I've never seen a cogent, mature argument in favour of owning guns.
Guns exist, it would be better if they didn't, but they do and always will. If only the government and police are allowed to have guns, that would be the fastest route to tyranny. Do you trust your government and police enough to be the only ones allowed to have guns? Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
Japan.
Outlawed open carry swords in the late 1800s, and hunting rifles only with a permit. They are very rare, yet the government is not tyrannical.
Tyrrany does not happen just from asymmetrical firepower.
Democracy does not spring from arming the population.
Why is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/275287/
Great and what percentage of Japan is not Japanese?
Would you say Japan is a hot bed of diverse Cultures that don't share the same values at all let alone the same common language?
Is there a lot of gang violence in Japan? Crime? Home invasion? Drugs? Religious Radicals of any stripe?
Have you ever been to Fucking Japan Man? How about Detroit? Or Atlanta? South Central? Chicago?
Do you see any God dam any similarities at all?
We have not been sitting around refining our homogeneous cultural identity for countless millennia
You are not comparing apples and oranges you are comparing apples and orangutans fuckwit!
What the actual fuck?
We are a fast and furious empire in rapid decline and this is what that shit looks like
when people can't even think a thought through anymore and rattle of this nonsense.
I live in Israel, really heterogeneous, really crazy, filled with violence and terror, and still, there is no way i would want people here to have guns. only people that should carry a gun are trained professional police and army people. and Democracy doesnt come from having guns, it comes from education
You live in a nation barely older than me built literally on top of another nation surrounded by dare I say maybe other than North Korea the absolute least democratic region on the planet you don't have guns but you have a wall (because those don't work and are racist right?) and suicide bombers everywhere and homemade missiles so again peeps who want to kill gonna kill gun or no. Horrible argument. But I feel for you man hang in there yeah who needs guns with improvised explosives? Fuck.
Even with the "stabbing intifada" or whatever the media named the stabbing spree we had a few years ago, if random people had guns we would have way more innocent people dying.
I have a jewish morrocan friend ( a big part of the population here) and when the country was in a frenzy about random stabbings in the streets someone walking alongside him in the street thought he was an arab terrorist coming to stab him, my friend is the most gentle dude ever and im sure if that guy had a gun my friend would have been in danger, just because he walked close to another dude in the street looking a bit darker than a regular jew.
The only people that can get a gun here are army, police and security forces and people living in sketchy areas like settlers, and even though alot of settlers have formal military training from their military service ive seen them abuse their guns and act like cowboys towards the palestinians around them. fuck settlers. fuck guns. guns are bad. alot of settlers are american jews that came here to "fill the holy land with jews" or whatever, bringing the american gun lust here, romanticizing "recapturing the land". ive seen settlers shoot toowards arab farmers direction because "they were heading towards our lands and they should be warned not to get close." i dont want people like that having guns even though they live in a sketchy area. we have an army and police for shit like that
Oh, and walls dont work. im smoking a hash joint from lebanon right now that probably went over that wall and skated/worked with palestinians that crossed the wall from the west bank and with sudanese people that passed the wall on the egyptian side.
Yeah I couldn't agree more savages should not have guns. And no I'm not calling anyone in particular a savage I mean anyone who has racist/nationalist/religious hate is a savage and like I said above enough problems over there without adding guns to the mix completely different places as in it's a madhouse. America has it's pockets for sure and again as I have said somewhere already in this post that this mass shooting problem began with the closing down of mental asylums. Crazy breeds with Crazy you got 20% of school age boys on head drugs and absent fathers and wam bam tons of school shootings with a lil bit of healthy MK ULTRA (but I digress). In America it's Guns in South Africa it's Machetes in Israel it's suicide bombers crazy gonna crazy killers gonna kill. I mean there is a knife ban in Britain WTF what are we gonna ban next fists?
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there is a knife ban here too and i cant be more stoked about that.
no cop is going to arrest you for a tool like a leatherman or a swiss army knife, but if youre walking around with a big blade, fuck you, you suck.
if banning fists was possible i would support it a 100% too. if you have a conflict with someone you have the polive or the courts to help you.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
it's called wit those of us who posses it use it to battle too bad you came unarmed.
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Jumping in on the last page of this thread is crazy... Where did it jump from a dude being a kook to Risk the board game?
edit I just read the whole thread. Jesus Christ
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there is a knife ban here too and i cant be more stoked about that.
no cop is going to arrest you for a tool like a leatherman or a swiss army knife, but if youre walking around with a big blade, fuck you, you suck.
if banning fists was possible i would support it a 100% too. if you have a conflict with someone you have the polive or the courts to help you.
hahaha good one.
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there is a knife ban here too and i cant be more stoked about that.
no cop is going to arrest you for a tool like a leatherman or a swiss army knife, but if youre walking around with a big blade, fuck you, you suck.
if banning fists was possible i would support it a 100% too. if you have a conflict with someone you have the polive or the courts to help you.
hahaha good one.
Can't tell which is more pathetic here, a helpless bootlicker or his sycophant?
The amount of pride that some people strut around with celebrating their prepubescent naivety literally boggles the
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there is a knife ban here too and i cant be more stoked about that.
no cop is going to arrest you for a tool like a leatherman or a swiss army knife, but if youre walking around with a big blade, fuck you, you suck.
if banning fists was possible i would support it a 100% too. if you have a conflict with someone you have the polive or the courts to help you.
hahaha good one.
Can't tell which is more pathetic here, a helpless bootlicker or his sycophant?
The amount of pride that some people strut around with celebrating their prepubescent naivety literally boggles the
mind.
if you are calling me a sycophant, I think you misinterpreted my post.
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there is a knife ban here too and i cant be more stoked about that.
no cop is going to arrest you for a tool like a leatherman or a swiss army knife, but if youre walking around with a big blade, fuck you, you suck.
if banning fists was possible i would support it a 100% too. if you have a conflict with someone you have the polive or the courts to help you.
hahaha good one.
Can't tell which is more pathetic here, a helpless bootlicker or his sycophant?
The amount of pride that some people strut around with celebrating their prepubescent naivety literally boggles the
mind.
if you are calling me a sycophant, I think you misinterpreted my post.
If I missed the sarcasm I do hereby humbly apologize!
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OP is a dumb fuck kook.
Not a big fan of Oblow, but this just gave me a bit more respect for him.
Also, OP is a dumb fuck kook
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Not a gun owner and never been an interest of mine. If you wanna give up the guns you legally own as a protest to gun violence than I respect that. If you wanna keep your legal guns responsibly and you are mentally sane, than I can respect that too if it gives you a piece of mind. Violence is nothing new in north america, but as a first responder I can tell you things are getting worse. It wouldn't take much to put this whole continent into chaos. Natural disaster, disease outbreak, cyber attack, it's all not that far fetched. I would prefer a world with no guns personally, if it was ideal.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
it's called wit those of us who posses it use it to battle too bad you came unarmed.
Yeah dude I can command c, command v also
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
it's called wit those of us who posses it use it to battle too bad you came unarmed.
rick and morty season 8
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I didn’t even know oblow had straps like that. Those are cheap guns either. He could’ve sold them and gave the money to the department. But giving away over 5k in firearms worksvto.
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Not a gun owner and never been an interest of mine. If you wanna give up the guns you legally own as a protest to gun violence than I respect that. If you wanna keep your legal guns responsibly and you are mentally sane, than I can respect that too if it gives you a piece of mind. Violence is nothing new in north america, but as a first responder I can tell you things are getting worse. It wouldn't take much to put this whole continent into chaos. Natural disaster, disease outbreak, cyber attack, it's all not that far fetched. I would prefer a world with no guns personally, if it was ideal.
an antibiotic apocalypse marred with extreme weather and an opportunistic attack on America's 5G network (transport, hospital systems & geo-location data)
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I didn’t even know oblow had straps like that. Those are cheap guns either. He could’ve sold them and gave the money to the department. But giving away over 5k in firearms worksvto.
It's a running joke that when police get these gun turn ins the cops cherry pick high value items for themselves.
He should have just band sawed them in half.
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Not a gun owner and never been an interest of mine. If you wanna give up the guns you legally own as a protest to gun violence than I respect that. If you wanna keep your legal guns responsibly and you are mentally sane, than I can respect that too if it gives you a piece of mind. Violence is nothing new in north america, but as a first responder I can tell you things are getting worse. It wouldn't take much to put this whole continent into chaos. Natural disaster, disease outbreak, cyber attack, it's all not that far fetched. I would prefer a world with no guns personally, if it was ideal.
I hear all that for sure. I'm kind of scared of a terrorist hyper left starting to bomb people who have "wrong think" I hope you never have to be at ground zero for that man.
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
it's called wit those of us who posses it use it to battle too bad you came unarmed.
Yeah dude I can command c, command v also
The projection pun/purposeful misquote was over your head obviously and I had to copy and paste a definition as to be succinct
the wit remark was a Whorific original, it fits the criteria
To conquer the skill of the comeback there are 2 skils necessary; Quick wit and originality. (from the urban dictionary)
Still searching for that ever eluding wit I see, don't bother we all know you'll never get there.
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I'm kind of scared of a terrorist hyper left starting to bomb people who have "wrong think"
You must be talking about Caesar Sayoc who literally did all that stuff you're dreaming about, only for your "team."
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It really is a complex issue.
I truly believe there is no win/win either way
You only think this because you are an American. Guns are fucking stupid.
I'm educated enough to know not to bother arguing with someone who thinks that an entire country especially the exact one that seemingly everyone emulates or wants to visit or immigrate to is full of a bunch of ignorant hicks and goes on to call inanimate objects stupid, doth project too much on both statements.
Yep, you used "doth" when asked about your education and incorrectly quoted Shakespeare. Tells me all I need to know.
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
it's called wit those of us who posses it use it to battle too bad you came unarmed.
rick and morty season 8
I don't watch the show so I don't get the reference, please expand.
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I'm kind of scared of a terrorist hyper left starting to bomb people who have "wrong think"
I don't have a team man, nuance is a thing it does exist. I'm watching Portland fall apart Antifa are ripping old people out of cars and beating them in the street. I blame the Media for all this insane divisiveness if you start with "literally Hitler" where do you go from there? You live in clown world.